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  1. #1
    The Joneses Guest

    Default On Single Use One-Piece Jars/Lids

    Dear Friends,
    Yes, we're alive & well enuf, but had lots of company over the holidays.
    Took Sissy & gr'niece up to Albuquerque to train station and visited a
    glass/plastic jar distributor call Tricor Braun. In any case (actually 6
    cases) picked up some 6 oz & 2 oz jars (I like to have several flavors of
    jam/jelly open at once). The Gen. Manager had a display filled with locally
    produced products. He told me the glassware was not recommended for steam
    canning. I asked about bwb canning, and he said just pour the product into
    jars at 190F as the locals did and the heat would vacuum seal and that was
    the point wasn't it (he smirked), after all, they "knew what they were
    doing." Fume, fume. I told him I would try bwb and was he interested in my
    results for his customers. He said they wouldn't change a proven method, and
    after all, *they* had something to lose. Fume fume fume. After mentioning my
    years of experience, the USDA, my calibrated test equipment and my beloved
    family members to lose, he let me load my own cases. Fume fume. Dumbass.
    My question for y'all: anybody had experience with single use jars in the
    bwb? They appear to be a bit thinner glass walls and the lids do have a sort
    of gooey sealing strip around where the circumfrance of the edge of the jar
    will be. I believe I will closely watch the boil and not let it get away
    with furious boiling, only gently rolling boil.
    Happy new year y'all,
    Edrena



  2. #2
    zxcvbob Guest

    Default Re: On Single Use One-Piece Jars/Lids

    The Joneses wrote:
    > Dear Friends,
    > Yes, we're alive & well enuf, but had lots of company over the holidays.
    > Took Sissy & gr'niece up to Albuquerque to train station and visited a
    > glass/plastic jar distributor call Tricor Braun. In any case (actually 6
    > cases) picked up some 6 oz & 2 oz jars (I like to have several flavors of
    > jam/jelly open at once). The Gen. Manager had a display filled with locally
    > produced products. He told me the glassware was not recommended for steam
    > canning. I asked about bwb canning, and he said just pour the product into
    > jars at 190F as the locals did and the heat would vacuum seal and that was
    > the point wasn't it (he smirked), after all, they "knew what they were
    > doing." Fume, fume. I told him I would try bwb and was he interested in my
    > results for his customers. He said they wouldn't change a proven method, and
    > after all, *they* had something to lose. Fume fume fume. After mentioning my
    > years of experience, the USDA, my calibrated test equipment and my beloved
    > family members to lose, he let me load my own cases. Fume fume. Dumbass.
    > My question for y'all: anybody had experience with single use jars in the
    > bwb? They appear to be a bit thinner glass walls and the lids do have a sort
    > of gooey sealing strip around where the circumfrance of the edge of the jar
    > will be. I believe I will closely watch the boil and not let it get away
    > with furious boiling, only gently rolling boil.
    > Happy new year y'all,
    > Edrena
    >
    >



    I've never had a mayonnaise jar break during processing, but I used
    those mostly for pressure canning. (I've culled out all my mayo jars in
    the past couple of years, but I used to use them extensively back when I
    canned a lot more.)

    The one-piece canning lids work just fine -- only don't try to enter
    them in a fair. No, I haven't tried that, just know they are against
    the rules.

    HTH,
    Bob

  3. #3
    George Shirley Guest

    Default Re: On Single Use One-Piece Jars/Lids

    The Joneses wrote:
    > Dear Friends,
    > Yes, we're alive & well enuf, but had lots of company over the holidays.
    > Took Sissy & gr'niece up to Albuquerque to train station and visited a
    > glass/plastic jar distributor call Tricor Braun. In any case (actually 6
    > cases) picked up some 6 oz & 2 oz jars (I like to have several flavors of
    > jam/jelly open at once). The Gen. Manager had a display filled with locally
    > produced products. He told me the glassware was not recommended for steam
    > canning. I asked about bwb canning, and he said just pour the product into
    > jars at 190F as the locals did and the heat would vacuum seal and that was
    > the point wasn't it (he smirked), after all, they "knew what they were
    > doing." Fume, fume. I told him I would try bwb and was he interested in my
    > results for his customers. He said they wouldn't change a proven method, and
    > after all, *they* had something to lose. Fume fume fume. After mentioning my
    > years of experience, the USDA, my calibrated test equipment and my beloved
    > family members to lose, he let me load my own cases. Fume fume. Dumbass.
    > My question for y'all: anybody had experience with single use jars in the
    > bwb? They appear to be a bit thinner glass walls and the lids do have a sort
    > of gooey sealing strip around where the circumfrance of the edge of the jar
    > will be. I believe I will closely watch the boil and not let it get away
    > with furious boiling, only gently rolling boil.
    > Happy new year y'all,
    > Edrena
    >
    >

    I think Barb may have experimented with them. She certainly knows more
    about single use jars than the rest of us, I think. She hangs out at the
    Gedney plant doesn't she?

    I guess the plant manager doesn't care if he knocks off a few locals.
    Let one die though and someone there will own the factory and you might
    get a better deal.

    Glad to hear you and old whisker's are going okay. Stay well.

  4. #4
    zxcvbob Guest

    Default Re: On Single Use One-Piece Jars/Lids

    George Shirley wrote:
    > The Joneses wrote:
    >> Dear Friends,
    >> Yes, we're alive & well enuf, but had lots of company over the
    >> holidays.
    >> Took Sissy & gr'niece up to Albuquerque to train station and visited
    >> a glass/plastic jar distributor call Tricor Braun. In any case
    >> (actually 6 cases) picked up some 6 oz & 2 oz jars (I like to have
    >> several flavors of jam/jelly open at once). The Gen. Manager had a
    >> display filled with locally produced products. He told me the
    >> glassware was not recommended for steam canning. I asked about bwb
    >> canning, and he said just pour the product into jars at 190F as the
    >> locals did and the heat would vacuum seal and that was the point
    >> wasn't it (he smirked), after all, they "knew what they were doing."
    >> Fume, fume. I told him I would try bwb and was he interested in my
    >> results for his customers. He said they wouldn't change a proven
    >> method, and after all, *they* had something to lose. Fume fume fume.
    >> After mentioning my years of experience, the USDA, my calibrated test
    >> equipment and my beloved family members to lose, he let me load my own
    >> cases. Fume fume. Dumbass.
    >> My question for y'all: anybody had experience with single use jars
    >> in the bwb? They appear to be a bit thinner glass walls and the lids
    >> do have a sort of gooey sealing strip around where the circumfrance of
    >> the edge of the jar will be. I believe I will closely watch the boil
    >> and not let it get away with furious boiling, only gently rolling boil.
    >> Happy new year y'all,
    >> Edrena
    >>
    >>

    > I think Barb may have experimented with them. She certainly knows more
    > about single use jars than the rest of us, I think. She hangs out at the
    > Gedney plant doesn't she?
    >
    > I guess the plant manager doesn't care if he knocks off a few locals.
    > Let one die though and someone there will own the factory and you might
    > get a better deal.
    >
    > Glad to hear you and old whisker's are going okay. Stay well.



    My parents bought a bunch of the 1-piece lids from a beekeepers supply
    store and they gave me a handful of them. They use them for canning;
    I've used them for canning. They work just fine for BWB; I haven't
    tried them in the pressure canner.

    Bob

  5. #5
    Melba's Jammin' Guest

    Default Re: On Single Use One-Piece Jars/Lids

    In article <kw89l.9966$[email protected]>,
    "The Joneses" <[email protected]> wrote:

    > Dear Friends,
    > Yes, we're alive & well enuf, but had lots of company over the holidays.
    > Took Sissy & gr'niece up to Albuquerque to train station and visited a
    > glass/plastic jar distributor call Tricor Braun. In any case (actually 6
    > cases) picked up some 6 oz & 2 oz jars (I like to have several flavors of
    > jam/jelly open at once). The Gen. Manager had a display filled with locally
    > produced products. He told me the glassware was not recommended for steam
    > canning. I asked about bwb canning, and he said just pour the product into
    > jars at 190F as the locals did and the heat would vacuum seal and that was
    > the point wasn't it (he smirked), after all, they "knew what they were
    > doing." Fume, fume. I told him I would try bwb and was he interested in my
    > results for his customers. He said they wouldn't change a proven method, and
    > after all, *they* had something to lose. Fume fume fume. After mentioning my
    > years of experience, the USDA, my calibrated test equipment and my beloved
    > family members to lose, he let me load my own cases. Fume fume. Dumbass.
    > My question for y'all: anybody had experience with single use jars in the
    > bwb? They appear to be a bit thinner glass walls and the lids do have a sort
    > of gooey sealing strip around where the circumfrance of the edge of the jar
    > will be. I believe I will closely watch the boil and not let it get away
    > with furious boiling, only gently rolling boil.
    > Happy new year y'all,
    > Edrena


    What products were in the jars? Spreads? Pickles? SOP for commercial
    fruit spreads makers doesn't involve any processing after the lid is on.
    It does involve meticulous record-keeping, though, and a verifiable hot
    fill pack. The USDA has a class for folks who want to get into small
    batch commercial production, I do believe. I expect that a company
    that's selling the stuff he's selling isn't generally selling to a home
    preserver but rather to someone in commercial production.

    I use the very sturdy pint jars that the Gedney folks have their
    producer use (they don't make the jam) for pickles. I also use some
    one-piece lids for them sometimes. Gasp! I like 'em but they're more
    expensive to use than two-piece lid and ring. I've never had a jar
    break they don't seem to be any thinner than a Kerr or Ball pint jar.
    --
    -Barb, Mother Superior, HOSSSPoJ
    <http://www.caringbridge.org/visit/amytaylor>
    December 27, 2008, 7:30 a.m.: "I have fixed my roof,
    I have mended my fences; now let the winter winds blow."

  6. #6
    The Joneses Guest

    Default Re: On Single Use One-Piece Jars/Lids


    "Melba's Jammin'" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]..
    > In article <kw89l.9966$[email protected]>,
    > "The Joneses" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >> Dear Friends,
    >> Yes, we're alive & well enuf, but had lots of company over the
    >> holidays.
    >> Took Sissy & gr'niece up to Albuquerque to train station and visited a
    >> glass/plastic jar distributor call Tricor Braun. In any case (actually 6
    >> cases) picked up some 6 oz & 2 oz jars (I like to have several flavors of
    >> jam/jelly open at once). The Gen. Manager had a display filled with
    >> locally
    >> produced products. He told me the glassware was not recommended for steam
    >> canning. I asked about bwb canning, and he said just pour the product
    >> into
    >> jars at 190F as the locals did and the heat would vacuum seal and that
    >> was
    >> the point wasn't it (he smirked), after all, they "knew what they were
    >> doing." Fume, fume. I told him I would try bwb and was he interested in
    >> my
    >> results for his customers. He said they wouldn't change a proven method,
    >> and
    >> after all, *they* had something to lose. Fume fume fume. After mentioning
    >> my
    >> years of experience, the USDA, my calibrated test equipment and my
    >> beloved
    >> family members to lose, he let me load my own cases. Fume fume. Dumbass.
    >> My question for y'all: anybody had experience with single use jars in
    >> the
    >> bwb? They appear to be a bit thinner glass walls and the lids do have a
    >> sort
    >> of gooey sealing strip around where the circumfrance of the edge of the
    >> jar
    >> will be. I believe I will closely watch the boil and not let it get away
    >> with furious boiling, only gently rolling boil.
    >> Happy new year y'all,
    >> Edrena

    >
    > What products were in the jars? Spreads? Pickles? SOP for commercial
    > fruit spreads makers doesn't involve any processing after the lid is on.
    > It does involve meticulous record-keeping, though, and a verifiable hot
    > fill pack. The USDA has a class for folks who want to get into small
    > batch commercial production, I do believe. I expect that a company
    > that's selling the stuff he's selling isn't generally selling to a home
    > preserver but rather to someone in commercial production.
    >
    > I use the very sturdy pint jars that the Gedney folks have their
    > producer use (they don't make the jam) for pickles. I also use some
    > one-piece lids for them sometimes. Gasp! I like 'em but they're more
    > expensive to use than two-piece lid and ring. I've never had a jar
    > break < they don't seem to be any thinner than a Kerr or Ball pint jar.
    > --
    > -Barb, Mother Superior, HOSSSPoJ
    > <http://www.caringbridge.org/visit/amytaylor>
    > December 27, 2008, 7:30 a.m.: "I have fixed my roof,
    > I have mended my fences; now let the winter winds blow."




  7. #7
    The Joneses Guest

    Default Re: On Single Use One-Piece Jars/Lids

    "Melba's Jammin'" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]..
    > In article <kw89l.9966$[email protected]>,
    > "The Joneses" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >> Dear Friends,
    >> (clipped rant)
    >> My question for y'all: anybody had experience with single use jars in
    >> the
    >> bwb? They appear to be a bit thinner glass walls and the lids do have a
    >> sort
    >> of gooey sealing strip around where the circumfrance of the edge of the
    >> jar
    >> will be. I believe I will closely watch the boil and not let it get away
    >> with furious boiling, only gently rolling boil.
    >> Happy new year y'all,
    >> Edrena

    >
    > What products were in the jars? Spreads? Pickles? SOP for commercial
    > fruit spreads makers doesn't involve any processing after the lid is on.
    > It does involve meticulous record-keeping, though, and a verifiable hot
    > fill pack. The USDA has a class for folks who want to get into small
    > batch commercial production, I do believe. I expect that a company
    > that's selling the stuff he's selling isn't generally selling to a home
    > preserver but rather to someone in commercial production.
    >
    > I use the very sturdy pint jars that the Gedney folks have their
    > producer use (they don't make the jam) for pickles. I also use some
    > one-piece lids for them sometimes. Gasp! I like 'em but they're more
    > expensive to use than two-piece lid and ring. I've never had a jar
    > break < they don't seem to be any thinner than a Kerr or Ball pint jar.
    > --
    > -Barb, Mother Superior, HOSSSPoJ


    Thanks to all & MaSup for the supplier side of the view. I still think he
    coulda used 8oz. of chocolate and a little less attitude.
    I need to check the pricing, too, to see if all this heartburn was worth
    it.
    So many of my gifts get given away, and Goddess knows what
    happens to the jars.
    Love,
    Edrena



  8. #8
    Melba's Jammin' Guest

    Default Re: On Single Use One-Piece Jars/Lids

    In article <z5c9l.1677$[email protected]>,
    "The Joneses" <[email protected]> wrote:

    > "Melba's Jammin'" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]..
    > > In article <kw89l.9966$[email protected]>,
    > > "The Joneses" <[email protected]> wrote:
    > >
    > >> Dear Friends,
    > >> (clipped rant)
    > >> My question for y'all: anybody had experience with single use
    > >> jars in the bwb? They appear to be a bit thinner glass walls and
    > >> the lids do have a sort of gooey sealing strip around where the
    > >> circumfrance of the edge of the jar will be. I believe I will
    > >> closely watch the boil and not let it get away with furious
    > >> boiling, only gently rolling boil.


    > >> Happy new year y'all,
    > >> Edrena

    > >
    > > What products were in the jars? Spreads? Pickles? SOP for commercial
    > > fruit spreads makers doesn't involve any processing after the lid is on.
    > > It does involve meticulous record-keeping, though, and a verifiable hot
    > > fill pack.


    It's the same as the inversion method that we here don't sanction.
    The BIG difference is that part about "verifiable." I've watched a
    commercial small batch (400 jars) in operation and there are more meters
    and gauges than you could shake a stick at. Production codes on the
    jars or lids include date and time of pack and there's a paper recording
    (reminded me of an EKG) of the temps and stuff, too.

    I need to clarify a bit -- that hot fill thing applies to jams &
    jellies, not pickles. The Gedney folks use the lower temp
    pasteurization process for their pickles. I don't know what products
    the USDA blesses for the hot fill method.

    I process my stuff in a boiling water bath. All of it.

    > >The USDA has a class for folks who want to get into small
    > > batch commercial production, I do believe.


    I think Minnesota requires it.

    > > I expect that a company that's selling the stuff he's selling isn't
    > > generally selling to a home preserver but rather to someone in
    > > commercial production.


    Doesn't mean he won't sell to a homie, but that's not his target market.
    As I've perused various vendors, I note that the prices get cheaper if
    you buy a shipload of jars. Almost affordable. I can't store a
    shipload.

    > > I use the very sturdy pint jars that the Gedney folks have their
    > > producer use (they don't make the jam) for pickles. I also use some
    > > one-piece lids for them sometimes. Gasp! I like 'em but they're more
    > > expensive to use than two-piece lid and ring. I've never had a jar
    > > break < they don't seem to be any thinner than a Kerr or Ball pint jar.
    > > --
    > > -Barb, Mother Superior, HOSSSPoJ

    >
    > Thanks to all & MaSup for the supplier side of the view. I still think he
    > coulda used 8oz. of chocolate and a little less attitude.


    Shoot, couldn't most of us!

    > I need to check the pricing, too, to see if all this heartburn was worth
    > it. So many of my gifts get given away, and Goddess knows what
    > happens to the jars.
    > Love,
    > Edrena


    I made labels for my sister's pickles. On some, the words were "Please
    return jar or you'll never see another pickle from me." Most just
    included "Please return jar." I don't know if she noticed the
    different labels. . . .
    --
    -Barb, Mother Superior, HOSSSPoJ
    <http://www.caringbridge.org/visit/amytaylor>
    December 27, 2008, 7:30 a.m.: "I have fixed my roof,
    I have mended my fences; now let the winter winds blow."

  9. #9
    George Shirley Guest

    Default Re: On Single Use One-Piece Jars/Lids

    Melba's Jammin' wrote:
    > In article <z5c9l.1677$[email protected]>,
    > "The Joneses" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >> "Melba's Jammin'" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >> news:[email protected]..
    >>> In article <kw89l.9966$[email protected]>,
    >>> "The Joneses" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> Dear Friends,
    >>>> (clipped rant)
    >>>> My question for y'all: anybody had experience with single use
    >>>> jars in the bwb? They appear to be a bit thinner glass walls and
    >>>> the lids do have a sort of gooey sealing strip around where the
    >>>> circumfrance of the edge of the jar will be. I believe I will
    >>>> closely watch the boil and not let it get away with furious
    >>>> boiling, only gently rolling boil.

    >
    >>>> Happy new year y'all,
    >>>> Edrena
    >>> What products were in the jars? Spreads? Pickles? SOP for commercial
    >>> fruit spreads makers doesn't involve any processing after the lid is on.
    >>> It does involve meticulous record-keeping, though, and a verifiable hot
    >>> fill pack.

    >
    > It's the same as the inversion method that we here don't sanction.
    > The BIG difference is that part about "verifiable." I've watched a
    > commercial small batch (400 jars) in operation and there are more meters
    > and gauges than you could shake a stick at. Production codes on the
    > jars or lids include date and time of pack and there's a paper recording
    > (reminded me of an EKG) of the temps and stuff, too.
    >
    > I need to clarify a bit -- that hot fill thing applies to jams &
    > jellies, not pickles. The Gedney folks use the lower temp
    > pasteurization process for their pickles. I don't know what products
    > the USDA blesses for the hot fill method.
    >
    > I process my stuff in a boiling water bath. All of it.


    Me too.
    >
    >>> The USDA has a class for folks who want to get into small
    >>> batch commercial production, I do believe.

    >
    > I think Minnesota requires it.

    Louisiana allows home canners to sell their products at farmers markets
    and such with just a full label, ie. all the ingredients. Some folks
    around here are selling a pretty good etouffe starter in a pint jar for
    six bucks US, I can make a wash tub full of the stuff for that price. I
    can get from $4 to $6 for my jams and jellies quite easily but seldom
    sell them. Our descendants tend to use them up PDQ.
    >
    >>> I expect that a company that's selling the stuff he's selling isn't
    >>> generally selling to a home preserver but rather to someone in
    >>> commercial production.

    >
    > Doesn't mean he won't sell to a homie, but that's not his target market.
    > As I've perused various vendors, I note that the prices get cheaper if
    > you buy a shipload of jars. Almost affordable. I can't store a
    > shipload.

    I ran into the same thing when I was a gunsmith years ago. Big gun
    companies would sell guns to any dealer at a good price in carload lots,
    that's a rail car full. The rail car was bigger than my whole shop and
    Miz Anne wouldn't let me fill up the living room with boxed guns.
    >
    >>> I use the very sturdy pint jars that the Gedney folks have their
    >>> producer use (they don't make the jam) for pickles. I also use some
    >>> one-piece lids for them sometimes. Gasp! I like 'em but they're more
    >>> expensive to use than two-piece lid and ring. I've never had a jar
    >>> break < they don't seem to be any thinner than a Kerr or Ball pint jar.
    >>> --
    >>> -Barb, Mother Superior, HOSSSPoJ

    >> Thanks to all & MaSup for the supplier side of the view. I still think he
    >> coulda used 8oz. of chocolate and a little less attitude.

    >
    > Shoot, couldn't most of us!

    No more chocolate please. I got about five lbs of chocolate covered
    cherries for Christmas, almost made myself sick.
    >
    >> I need to check the pricing, too, to see if all this heartburn was worth
    >> it. So many of my gifts get given away, and Goddess knows what
    >> happens to the jars.
    >> Love,
    >> Edrena

    >
    > I made labels for my sister's pickles. On some, the words were "Please
    > return jar or you'll never see another pickle from me." Most just
    > included "Please return jar." I don't know if she noticed the
    > different labels. . . .

    Great idea, mind if I use that. The young 'uns are pretty good about
    returning jars but some of our friends don't see a returnable jar, they
    see an iced tea, or penny saver mug.



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