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    I reuse store jars and lug lids all the time I saw the classico at wally world today for the pesto and bought it cause its a square Mason for those concerned about reusing lug lids this is a 53mm lid sold here Pickling and Canning Jars the price for the lids is 53 mm P 144/bag $23.04 check out the sight they have cool canning jars if you are into gifting

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marilyn View Post
    "frater mus" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:hbdi67$dll$[email protected]..
    > On Thu, 15 Oct 2009 22:23:34 +0000, Marilyn wrote:
    >
    >> Some people say
    >> they use them, others say that they are not made to be reused over and
    >> over again and that they have a high rate of seal failure and breakage.
    >>
    >> I prefer not to, but what's the consensus here?

    >
    > I'd use them for PC/BWB but I dislike the size and shape of the jars. I
    > have one hanging around that I haven't recycled yet. I do keep the screw-
    > on lids to use to reclose mason jars in the fridge, etc.
    >
    >
    >
    > --
    > L.V.X., brother mouse



    Yes, the squareness is a bit of an annoyance isn't it? Probably not so much
    in a BWB but in a pressure canner where they're close together, I could see
    maybe having a problem. Of course, the squareness is an asset when storing
    them on the shelf because there's less wasted space.

    --
    -Marilyn
    I researched them and they appear save to use for pc canning I never use my expensive mason jars for bwc when otc jars work fine little hint otc jars with nub lids and button tops are reuseable they are easier to use and fail alot less often the other day I made kiwi strawberry jam all my reused 2 piece
    lids failed luckily I had enough of the ten oz jars and nub lids on hand to correct this

  3. #23
    [email protected] Guest

    Default Question about those "Atlas" jars

    I just checked the Claasico website. The jars are NOT recommended for canning. I actually prefer using the 12 oz size as drinking glasses.

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    George Shirley Guest

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    On 4/15/2014 9:44 PM, [email protected] wrote:
    > I just checked the Claasico website. The jars are NOT recommended for canning. I actually prefer using the 12 oz size as drinking glasses.
    >

    You're right, the newer Classico Atlas Mason jars have thinner glass
    than canning jars and the threads and top of the jar are no longer to
    true Mason jar standards. I've never eaten Classico but a couple of
    friends used to give me the ones they received and they made a decent
    canning jar back then. After I noticed the change I quit getting them
    and they went to recycling. Still have a couple of dozen of the older
    jars, the 26 ounce with the true canning jar thickness and threads plus
    the flat top needed.

    Thanks for the reminder Lori.

    It's getting on to dewberry and blackberry season here in SE Texas. We
    have some primo picking patches mapped out and we check them weekly for
    ripeness. We have also discovered a few dewberry plants behind our fence
    and are protecting them for fresh eating.

    Yesterday we put up a large batch of Swiss chard, properly blanched for
    two minutes, into a ice bath, drained well, then put on a bun tray and
    frozen for one hour and then into the vacuum bags. Today is herb day,
    we're picking cilantro, flat leaf parsley, fernleaf dill, oregano,
    thyme, Russian tarragon, and leaf celery. We will dehydrate and then
    vacuum bag for longevity.

    The spring/summer garden is doing well, the tomatoes and squash have
    buds on them, the Hopi lima beans are starting to climb, the cukes are
    growing fast. The lettuce is starting to go to seed so it is about
    compost barrel time for them. We've been having temps down to 44F the
    last few days but today is headed for 80F with lots of sunshine.

    Made some healing salve last week, calendula blossoms (pot
    marigold)cleaned and infused into liquid petroleum jelly then strained
    into small jars. Last batch I made was in 2000 so it was time.

    George

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    Drew Lawson Guest

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    In article <534e972d$0$25107$[email protected] >
    George Shirley <[email protected]> writes:
    >On 4/15/2014 9:44 PM, [email protected] wrote:
    >> I just checked the Claasico website. The jars are NOT recommended for canning. I actually prefer using

    >the 12 oz size as drinking glasses.
    >>

    >You're right, the newer Classico Atlas Mason jars have thinner glass
    >than canning jars and the threads and top of the jar are no longer to
    >true Mason jar standards. I've never eaten Classico but a couple of
    >friends used to give me the ones they received and they made a decent
    >canning jar back then. After I noticed the change I quit getting them
    >and they went to recycling. Still have a couple of dozen of the older
    >jars, the 26 ounce with the true canning jar thickness and threads plus
    >the flat top needed.


    The sad thing is that I used to eat a lot of that sause, probably
    2-3 jars a month. But back then I wasn't even gardening much, and
    they all went to the recycling. Once the gardening ramped up, I
    started saving the jars. I got up to two jars before the stuff on
    the store shelves transitioned to the new jars.

    Oh well.


    --
    Drew Lawson | Savage bed foot-warmer
    | of purest feline ancestry
    | Look out little furry folk
    | it's the all-night working cat

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    George Shirley Guest

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    On 4/16/2014 3:42 PM, Drew Lawson wrote:
    > In article <534e972d$0$25107$[email protected] >
    > George Shirley <[email protected]> writes:
    >> On 4/15/2014 9:44 PM, [email protected] wrote:
    >>> I just checked the Claasico website. The jars are NOT recommended for canning. I actually prefer using

    >> the 12 oz size as drinking glasses.
    >>>

    >> You're right, the newer Classico Atlas Mason jars have thinner glass
    >> than canning jars and the threads and top of the jar are no longer to
    >> true Mason jar standards. I've never eaten Classico but a couple of
    >> friends used to give me the ones they received and they made a decent
    >> canning jar back then. After I noticed the change I quit getting them
    >> and they went to recycling. Still have a couple of dozen of the older
    >> jars, the 26 ounce with the true canning jar thickness and threads plus
    >> the flat top needed.

    >
    > The sad thing is that I used to eat a lot of that sause, probably
    > 2-3 jars a month. But back then I wasn't even gardening much, and
    > they all went to the recycling. Once the gardening ramped up, I
    > started saving the jars. I got up to two jars before the stuff on
    > the store shelves transitioned to the new jars.
    >
    > Oh well.
    >
    >

    Win a few, lose a few Drew. Maybe the sauce company will make enough
    money to start using REAL Mason jars again.

    Here's a hint: I go to a lot of church sales, ie. church people get
    together, empty their closets, pantries, and garages, stuff gets sold at
    the church, money goes to church. I once bought a little over 200
    canning jars, running from quarter pints to quarts for ten cents each
    and the church ladies counted them. I think someone's grannie died and
    left those jars behind because some of them were really old jars. Plus
    there were at least three boxes of lids and rings in the batch that they
    threw in. At another sale I found a brand new pressure canner still in
    the box for ten bucks, it went to a friend's daughter who was wanting to
    learn to can her own food. Keep looking.

    George, smelling all the herbs that are in the dehydrator today

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    George Shirley Guest

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    On 4/16/2014 3:42 PM, Drew Lawson wrote:
    > In article <534e972d$0$25107$[email protected] >
    > George Shirley <[email protected]> writes:
    >> On 4/15/2014 9:44 PM, [email protected] wrote:
    >>> I just checked the Claasico website. The jars are NOT recommended for canning. I actually prefer using

    >> the 12 oz size as drinking glasses.
    >>>

    >> You're right, the newer Classico Atlas Mason jars have thinner glass
    >> than canning jars and the threads and top of the jar are no longer to
    >> true Mason jar standards. I've never eaten Classico but a couple of
    >> friends used to give me the ones they received and they made a decent
    >> canning jar back then. After I noticed the change I quit getting them
    >> and they went to recycling. Still have a couple of dozen of the older
    >> jars, the 26 ounce with the true canning jar thickness and threads plus
    >> the flat top needed.

    >
    > The sad thing is that I used to eat a lot of that sause, probably
    > 2-3 jars a month. But back then I wasn't even gardening much, and
    > they all went to the recycling. Once the gardening ramped up, I
    > started saving the jars. I got up to two jars before the stuff on
    > the store shelves transitioned to the new jars.
    >
    > Oh well.
    >
    >

    Win a few, lose a few Drew. Maybe the sauce company will make enough
    money to start using REAL Mason jars again.

    Here's a hint: I go to a lot of church sales, ie. church people get
    together, empty their closets, pantries, and garages, stuff gets sold at
    the church, money goes to church. I once bought a little over 200
    canning jars, running from quarter pints to quarts for ten cents each
    and the church ladies counted them. I think someone's grannie died and
    left those jars behind because some of them were really old jars. Plus
    there were at least three boxes of lids and rings in the batch that they
    threw in. At another sale I found a brand new pressure canner still in
    the box for ten bucks, it went to a friend's daughter who was wanting to
    learn to can her own food. Keep looking.

    George, smelling all the herbs that are in the dehydrator today

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    [email protected] Guest

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    zxcvbob Guest

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    On 11/19/2014 8:03 PM, [email protected] wrote:
    > http://www.classico.com/FAQ.aspx
    >
    > Classico said no.



    Notice it says "our current jars". The current jars don't take canning
    lids.

    I have gotten rid of all my old mayonnaise and Miracle Whip jars (at
    least I don't *think* I have any left.) I will keep using my Atlas jars
    until they break or I lose them; they look and feel to me every bit as
    thick as Ball and Kerr jars. You'll have to decide for yourself.

    Bob

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    George Shirley Guest

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    On 11/19/2014 8:31 PM, zxcvbob wrote:
    > On 11/19/2014 8:03 PM, [email protected] wrote:
    >> http://www.classico.com/FAQ.aspx
    >>
    >> Classico said no.

    >
    >
    > Notice it says "our current jars". The current jars don't take canning
    > lids.
    >
    > I have gotten rid of all my old mayonnaise and Miracle Whip jars (at
    > least I don't *think* I have any left.) I will keep using my Atlas jars
    > until they break or I lose them; they look and feel to me every bit as
    > thick as Ball and Kerr jars. You'll have to decide for yourself.
    >
    > Bob

    Me too, Bob. Friends of ours must have eaten Classico sauce for every
    meal, they gave us about 30 of those 26 oz jars and they're still with
    us. Most of them have had pear mincemeat in them but there's only two
    full jars left so the jars will be used for something else.

    How's the lovely winter wonderland of Minnehaha coming along? We had a
    light frost the other day, nipped the tops of the still producing summer
    eggplant and wilted a couple of pepper plants, otherwise it is still
    pretty close to summer here. Weather folk keep predicting freeze then we
    get mid-fifties again. Chard planted the fall of 2013 is still
    producing, I believe we got our money back several times on the purchase
    of those chard plants.

    Pickled some radishes the other day, just opened the jar yesterday and
    tried them, they were nasty! Probably go into the composter today. Yuck!

    George

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    gloria p Guest

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    On 11/21/2014 6:59 AM, George Shirley wrote:

    >
    > Pickled some radishes the other day, just opened the jar yesterday and
    > tried them, they were nasty! Probably go into the composter today. Yuck!
    >
    > George



    Dear George:

    I don't think I have ever had radishes in any form that WEREN'T nasty.
    I guess that's my version of Barb's beets. In the past few years, chard
    (which my husband likes) and even spinach (which I used to love) taste
    very metallic to me, like chewing on tinfoil. (Are you allowed to call
    it tinfoil if you are old enough to remember when it wasn't called
    aluminum or Reynolds Wrap?)

    Haha.

    gloria p

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    [email protected] Guest

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    Every now & then I'll say tin foil. The young people look at me like i'm
    nuts . John

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    George Shirley Guest

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    On 11/23/2014 9:39 AM, [email protected] wrote:
    > Every now & then I'll say tin foil. The young people look at me like i'm
    > nuts . John
    >

    Young people think all old people are nuts. My great grandkids look at
    us funny when we talk about things that were new to us years ago. They
    refer to our youth as "old time things." Of course when you have a 13
    year old talking to a 75 year old there is a difference in languages and
    knowledge. One great grand wanted to know if I knew anything about WWII
    as she was studying it in history class. Yup, was a small child back
    then but remember a lot of it. She was amazed, I think she thought WWII
    was a million years ago. We then had a talk about Korean War, Vietnam,
    etc. She was awed that Granpa knew all about those things. I think we
    will get along a lot better now.

    What other "old timer" words are out there John? A grown grandson was
    smashing some cola cans with his hands the other day, putting them into
    the recycle bin. Asked if I had done that when I was young. Had to tell
    him that we drank our beer and cola out of steel cans or glass bottles
    back then. Another amazing look was given. Ain't it fun confusing
    youngsters.

    George

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    Whirled Peas Guest

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    On 11/23/2014 09:58 AM, George Shirley wrote:

    > What other "old timer" words are out there John? A grown grandson was
    > smashing some cola cans with his hands the other day, putting them into
    > the recycle bin. Asked if I had done that when I was young. Had to tell
    > him that we drank our beer and cola out of steel cans or glass bottles
    > back then. Another amazing look was given. Ain't it fun confusing
    > youngsters.
    >
    > George

    Regarding "old timer words" and beverages in steel cans -- "church key".
    There was a certain ritual about tapping the can top x number of times
    with the church key before actually puncturing it. 'twas supposed to
    reduce foaming. BTDT

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    George Shirley Guest

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    On 11/23/2014 1:40 PM, Whirled Peas wrote:
    > On 11/23/2014 09:58 AM, George Shirley wrote:
    >
    >> What other "old timer" words are out there John? A grown grandson was
    >> smashing some cola cans with his hands the other day, putting them into
    >> the recycle bin. Asked if I had done that when I was young. Had to tell
    >> him that we drank our beer and cola out of steel cans or glass bottles
    >> back then. Another amazing look was given. Ain't it fun confusing
    >> youngsters.
    >>
    >> George

    > Regarding "old timer words" and beverages in steel cans -- "church key".
    > There was a certain ritual about tapping the can top x number of times
    > with the church key before actually puncturing it. 'twas supposed to
    > reduce foaming. BTDT

    I remember that one too, still have a couple of "double action" church
    keys in my tackle box. The ones with the can piercer on one end and a
    bottle cap opener on the other end. I wonder if they're valuable
    antiques yet.

    Nowadays they've got pull tab bean cans too. With my right hand
    partially paralyzed the church key comes in handy for opening one of
    those too. Heck, I've got fishing lures and fishing reels that are fifty
    years old and still work fine.

    Nice day here in Harris Cty, TX, 68F lots of sunshine, light wind
    blowing. Late last night we had a rainstorm blow through dropping about
    an inch and a half of needed rain in about two hours. I'm busy putting
    together some garage cabinets I bought on an online sale, it's tough on
    two very senior citizens to lift that bale and tote that barge but we
    will, eventually, get them done.

    George

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    gloria p Guest

    Default Oldies (was Re: Question about those "Atlas" jars)

    On 11/23/2014 10:58 AM, George Shirley wrote:
    > On 11/23/2014 9:39 AM, [email protected] wrote:
    >> Every now & then I'll say tin foil. The young people look at me like i'm
    >> nuts . John
    >>



    > What other "old timer" words are out there John? A grown grandson was
    > smashing some cola cans with his hands the other day, putting them into
    > the recycle bin. Asked if I had done that when I was young. Had to tell
    > him that we drank our beer and cola out of steel cans or glass bottles
    > back then. Another amazing look was given. Ain't it fun confusing
    > youngsters.
    >
    > George


    Oh, Lord. Did you tell him you could return bottles to the grocery
    store for a refund of 5 cents? And that was enough for a package of gum
    or a candy bar? And two bottles was enough for an ice cream cone?

    My dad and mom owned a neighborhood grocery store before the days of
    supermarkets. There was a back door that was kept closed that led
    outdoors and to a stairway to the cellar where the furnace and the
    compressors for the freezer, met case, and walk-in coolers. They stored
    cases of empty quart soda bottles on the cellar stairs until the
    delivery guy picked them up about once a month. One year they
    discovered that kids were sneaking in from outside to steal bottles to
    get the refund again.

    I remember getting cases of eggs from the farm (can't remember, 40 dozen
    each,maybe?) and being recruited to transfer them into dozen-sized
    cartons. That wasn't nearly as bad as having to divide 50 lb sacks of
    potatoes into 5 and 10 lb. bags. That was SUCH a dirty job. And of
    course I didn't get paid for either.

    Small stores stocked 1-2 kinds of bath and laundry soap, 3-4 kinds of
    cold cereal, white and chocolate cake mixes, ~3 flavors of Jello, but a
    whole rack labeled for about 40 flavors of LifeSavers! Ground beef, good
    quality and ground to order, was $.69/lb Dad bragged he never charged
    more than $.99/lb. for steak.

    I don't remember eating pizza until the mid 60s, in college. And in New
    England where all our Chinese restaurants were Cantonese, chow
    mein was about as exotic as it got.

    The basement was always called a cellar there, and getting there was
    "going down cellar." Neighbors shared telephone service, running back
    and forth the announce or answer calls which were few.

    Neighbors had coal delivered through a cellar window chute and coal had
    to be shoveled into the furnace. We heated for a long time with a
    kerosene stove. Our coal furnace had been donated to the WWII effort
    for the metal. We finally got an oil furnace and hot water in about
    1955. No more heating bath or dish water in big kettles on the stove!

    When I was a kid in the late '40s everyone drove old pre-war cars and
    the measure of a car was if it could make it up "Weld St. hill"
    in second gear!

    Early TVs had small, ROUND screens. Our radio had a turntable mounted
    under it in a large, ornate wooden cabinet. It had AM and short-wave if
    I remember correctly. And records were all 78rpm and fragile.
    Flashlights were the only things I remember with batteries.

    How did we ever live through it?

    gloria p


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    gloria p Guest

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    On 11/23/2014 12:40 PM, Whirled Peas wrote:
    > On 11/23/2014 09:58 AM, George Shirley wrote:
    >
    >> What other "old timer" words are out there John? A grown grandson was
    >> smashing some cola cans with his hands the other day, putting them into
    >> the recycle bin. Asked if I had done that when I was young. Had to tell
    >> him that we drank our beer and cola out of steel cans or glass bottles
    >> back then. Another amazing look was given. Ain't it fun confusing
    >> youngsters.
    >>
    >> George

    > Regarding "old timer words" and beverages in steel cans -- "church key".
    > There was a certain ritual about tapping the can top x number of times
    > with the church key before actually puncturing it. 'twas supposed to
    > reduce foaming. BTDT



    Do you remember the first lift-tab cans where the entire tab separated
    from the lid? And people just threw them everywhere which meant a lot
    of cut feet from walking in park grass or beach sand that was thick with
    sharp-edged can tabs? (And cigarette butts which didn't cut but stank.)

    gloria p

  18. #38
    George Shirley Guest

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    On 11/23/2014 4:09 PM, gloria p wrote:
    > On 11/23/2014 12:40 PM, Whirled Peas wrote:
    >> On 11/23/2014 09:58 AM, George Shirley wrote:
    >>
    >>> What other "old timer" words are out there John? A grown grandson was
    >>> smashing some cola cans with his hands the other day, putting them into
    >>> the recycle bin. Asked if I had done that when I was young. Had to tell
    >>> him that we drank our beer and cola out of steel cans or glass bottles
    >>> back then. Another amazing look was given. Ain't it fun confusing
    >>> youngsters.
    >>>
    >>> George

    >> Regarding "old timer words" and beverages in steel cans -- "church key".
    >> There was a certain ritual about tapping the can top x number of times
    >> with the church key before actually puncturing it. 'twas supposed to
    >> reduce foaming. BTDT

    >
    >
    > Do you remember the first lift-tab cans where the entire tab separated
    > from the lid? And people just threw them everywhere which meant a lot
    > of cut feet from walking in park grass or beach sand that was thick with
    > sharp-edged can tabs? (And cigarette butts which didn't cut but stank.)
    >
    > gloria p

    Yup, threw a lot of pull tabs into the Gulf of Mexico along with the
    stubs of three packs of cigarettes a day. Many years later I quit
    smoking and was smoking five packs a day by then, the long cigs at that.
    Don't miss them a bit nowadays, a couple of heart attacks the doctors
    blamed on heavy smoking finally got thru to me.

    Had been off the cigarettes about six months and my lovely wife
    commented it was nice to kiss me and not feel like she was smooching a
    full ash tray. <G> Poor soul never smoked in her life. I started at
    fifteen and smoked to fifty-five. Both our children have finally quit
    although the SIL still smokes but daughter makes him go outside. One
    grandson still smokes but no other family members do. I show the SIL and
    the grandson the big scar on my chest where they did the bypass just to
    remind them of what can and probably will happen. I do thank the modern
    medicine for my survival. My Dad died of a stroke at 71, granddad of
    heart attack at 56, great grandad at 24. Takes a long time for the
    Shirley males to figure things out.

    Obligatory food preserving note: Dumped some two-year old pickled
    cauliflower. They just don't taste right, may be me, may be how I
    pickled them. At any rate they are out, all eight pints. So opened some
    pickled carrot sticks, done on the same date, they were fine so I'm
    eating those.

    George

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    George Shirley Guest

    Default Re: Oldies (was Re: Question about those "Atlas" jars)

    On 11/23/2014 4:06 PM, gloria p wrote:
    > On 11/23/2014 10:58 AM, George Shirley wrote:
    >> On 11/23/2014 9:39 AM, [email protected] wrote:
    >>> Every now & then I'll say tin foil. The young people look at me like i'm
    >>> nuts . John
    >>>

    >
    >
    >> What other "old timer" words are out there John? A grown grandson was
    >> smashing some cola cans with his hands the other day, putting them into
    >> the recycle bin. Asked if I had done that when I was young. Had to tell
    >> him that we drank our beer and cola out of steel cans or glass bottles
    >> back then. Another amazing look was given. Ain't it fun confusing
    >> youngsters.
    >>
    >> George

    >
    > Oh, Lord. Did you tell him you could return bottles to the grocery
    > store for a refund of 5 cents? And that was enough for a package of gum
    > or a candy bar? And two bottles was enough for an ice cream cone?

    Yup, used to walk a mile away down Hwy 90 in Orange, TX and then walk
    back. Pulled a little red wagon with homemade sides on it. Picked up
    soda and beer bottles to be exchanged for money. Picked up empty whiskey
    bottles to sell to the bootlegger down on Cole Creek for two cents each.
    Had to be clean so always kept them in a 55 gallon drum full of water
    and then rinsed.
    >
    > My dad and mom owned a neighborhood grocery store before the days of
    > supermarkets. There was a back door that was kept closed that led
    > outdoors and to a stairway to the cellar where the furnace and the
    > compressors for the freezer, met case, and walk-in coolers. They stored
    > cases of empty quart soda bottles on the cellar stairs until the
    > delivery guy picked them up about once a month. One year they
    > discovered that kids were sneaking in from outside to steal bottles to
    > get the refund again.

    My first job at age 12 was stocking groceries, pumping gas, and changing
    tires and/or greasing cars. Had one of those pop coolers outside that
    you had to put the nickel in, pick your bottle and then slide it along
    until it came out of the rack. Had a lock on it so you could leave it
    out at night. Made 25 cents and hour and thought I was rich. Was already
    driving as Mom quit driving when I was eleven. Got a hardship license at
    12 and a regular license at 14, then, at seventeen got a chauffeur's
    license so I could drive a school bus for 50 cents an hour, then I
    graduated and went into the Navy for $75 a month and my keep. I still
    thought I was rich. <G>

    >
    > I remember getting cases of eggs from the farm (can't remember, 40 dozen
    > each,maybe?) and being recruited to transfer them into dozen-sized
    > cartons. That wasn't nearly as bad as having to divide 50 lb sacks of
    > potatoes into 5 and 10 lb. bags. That was SUCH a dirty job. And of
    > course I didn't get paid for either.
    >
    > Small stores stocked 1-2 kinds of bath and laundry soap, 3-4 kinds of
    > cold cereal, white and chocolate cake mixes, ~3 flavors of Jello, but a
    > whole rack labeled for about 40 flavors of LifeSavers! Ground beef, good
    > quality and ground to order, was $.69/lb Dad bragged he never charged
    > more than $.99/lb. for steak.

    That was good money for meat back then. We married in 1960 and had two
    kids by '63. Could go to the local Weingarten's supermarket and haul two
    baskets of groceries out for about $50.00. Of course we grew a lot of
    our own vegetables, cow and calf, goats, pigs, chicken, rabbits, and
    duck so didn't need to buy much meat.
    >
    > I don't remember eating pizza until the mid 60s, in college. And in New
    > England where all our Chinese restaurants were Cantonese, chow
    > mein was about as exotic as it got.


    I think it was mid-sixties when Pizza Hut came to town and that's the
    first time we even knew about pizza. There must be a dozen pizza joints
    within two mile of our home now.
    >
    > The basement was always called a cellar there, and getting there was
    > "going down cellar." Neighbors shared telephone service, running back
    > and forth the announce or answer calls which were few.

    Cellars in my part of Texas were called "indoor swimming pools." Ground
    water was down about three feet at most.
    >
    > Neighbors had coal delivered through a cellar window chute and coal had
    > to be shoveled into the furnace. We heated for a long time with a
    > kerosene stove. Our coal furnace had been donated to the WWII effort
    > for the metal. We finally got an oil furnace and hot water in about
    > 1955. No more heating bath or dish water in big kettles on the stove!

    Puir things, we always had electricity and natural gas, lots of gas and
    oil in Texas.
    >
    > When I was a kid in the late '40s everyone drove old pre-war cars and
    > the measure of a car was if it could make it up "Weld St. hill"
    > in second gear!

    Dad bought a 1942 Dodge four door sedan in September 1942, drove it
    until 1953, six cylinder, stick shift, had a heater, opened windows for
    cool. Got my first car at 12, 1946 Chevrolet two door, six cylinder,
    stick shift, had a radio too. Gave my grandmother $25 hard earned money
    for it then fixed the problem that was the reason she sold it, drove it
    until I went into the Navy in 1957.
    >
    > Early TVs had small, ROUND screens. Our radio had a turntable mounted
    > under it in a large, ornate wooden cabinet. It had AM and short-wave if
    > I remember correctly. And records were all 78rpm and fragile.
    > Flashlights were the only things I remember with batteries.
    >
    > How did we ever live through it?
    >
    > gloria p
    >

    Mom bought a 1953 Motorola "portable" TV, took two grown men to pick it
    up, had a 21 inch screen, black and white. Dad climbed a tree outside
    the back of the house and put the antenna up there. We got channel two
    from Houston, well over a hundred miles away and, occasionally, a
    channel from Mexico City. Neighbors came over every Saturday night
    bringing their own chairs and snacks just to watch "Saturday Night
    Wrestling." Like a big party for the neighborhood. Closest neighbors
    were about a half mile away.

    Regardless of what we did then I enjoy the here and now,modern medicine
    saves lives every day, modern transportation is actually cheaper and
    last longer than the old stuff, and I love all the modern electronics.
    Thanks for the memories though.

    George

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