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  1. #1
    [email protected] Guest

    Default Now I've really seen everything

    I'm still getting over the trauma of the local metro fad of stores
    selling us plastic shopping bags to use in place of their giving us
    free plastic shopping bags. Protect the enviro; use the industrial
    strength plastic that takes ten times the time to biodegrade in
    landfills, after they fall apart in three uses. Harrumph!! (tm)

    My longer obsessive rant is about how, at least major cities, the tap
    water is perfectly fine and this sold water in plastic bottles note,
    more plastic in the landfills) is just an ostentatious fad.

    So, a perfectly good weather Satidday, instead I'm sitting in a hotel
    ballroom at a fund raiser bruncheon for one more non-profit agency.
    At each place setting is a sealed plastic bottle of....water! What,
    this Chicago hotel doesn't have sinks and faucets? Is this a picnic?
    Next to each water bottle is a glass glass (that's a glass made out of
    glass), containing ice cubes. I couldn't find anyone to ask from
    where the ice came.

    During the usual boring speeches, for lack of a cereal box to read, I
    read the label on the water
    bottle. "Ingredients" Ingredients? It's just water, isn't
    it? I know, must be a federal label requirement.

    "Triple filtered for purity,

    Minerals added for taste."

    Read that again. They filtered out the minerals, then added others
    back in in case you miss the taste. This was done in Ohio. Oh, that
    'splains it.

    And how much did this charity pay for this special water?



  2. #2
    Wayne Boatwright Guest

    Default Re: Now I've really seen everything

    On Sat 11 Oct 2008 03:50:46p, [email protected] told us...

    > I'm still getting over the trauma of the local metro fad of stores
    > selling us plastic shopping bags to use in place of their giving us
    > free plastic shopping bags. Protect the enviro; use the industrial
    > strength plastic that takes ten times the time to biodegrade in
    > landfills, after they fall apart in three uses. Harrumph!! (tm)


    I bought six of these new bags (3 insulated and 3 non insulated) nearly two
    years ago and have yet to need to throw one away. I use them every time I
    shop.

    I'd say you don't know what you're talking about.

    > My longer obsessive rant is about how, at least major cities, the tap
    > water is perfectly fine and this sold water in plastic bottles note,
    > more plastic in the landfills) is just an ostentatious fad.


    The taste (and sometimes the smell) of water coming from some of the water
    treatment plants in unpalatable. That's not to say that it's unsanitary.
    However, I do use a water filtration system in the kitchen which eliminates
    the offensive taste and smell, and the need to buy bottled water.

    > So, a perfectly good weather Satidday, instead I'm sitting in a hotel
    > ballroom at a fund raiser bruncheon for one more non-profit agency.
    > At each place setting is a sealed plastic bottle of....water! What,
    > this Chicago hotel doesn't have sinks and faucets? Is this a picnic?
    > Next to each water bottle is a glass glass (that's a glass made out of
    > glass), containing ice cubes. I couldn't find anyone to ask from
    > where the ice came.
    >
    > During the usual boring speeches, for lack of a cereal box to read, I
    > read the label on the water
    > bottle. "Ingredients" Ingredients? It's just water, isn't
    > it? I know, must be a federal label requirement.
    >
    > "Triple filtered for purity,
    >
    > Minerals added for taste."
    >
    > Read that again. They filtered out the minerals, then added others
    > back in in case you miss the taste. This was done in Ohio. Oh, that
    > 'splains it.
    >
    > And how much did this charity pay for this special water?


    Who knows?

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  3. #3
    Gloria P Guest

    Default Re: Now I've really seen everything

    [email protected] wrote:

    >
    > So, a perfectly good weather Satidday, instead I'm sitting in a hotel
    > ballroom at a fund raiser bruncheon for one more non-profit agency.
    > At each place setting is a sealed plastic bottle of....water!



    > And how much did this charity pay for this special water?
    >
    >


    If the charity folk are smart, no cost--they got it donated.

    gloria p

  4. #4
    [email protected] Guest

    Default Re: Now I've really seen everything

    On Oct 11, 7:44 pm, Gloria P <gpues...@comcast.net> wrote:
    > j-lat...@neiu.edu wrote:
    >
    > > So, a perfectly good weather Satidday, instead I'm sitting in a hotel
    > > ballroom at a fund raiser bruncheon for one more non-profit agency.
    > > At each place setting is a sealed plastic bottle of....water!
    > > And how much did this charity pay for this special water?

    >
    > If the charity folk are smart, no cost--they got it donated.
    >
    > gloria p



    No. The use of the hotel meeting rooms came "free" with the payment of
    X dollars per person for the bruncheon. I'm one of the charity
    folk. If I hadknown about the water bottles, I would have nixed
    them. Even if no reduction in price, it sends a bad message to the
    audience-- wsteful spending.


  5. #5
    [email protected] Guest

    Default Re: Now I've really seen everything

    On Oct 11, 6:13 pm, Wayne Boatwright <wayneboatwri...@geemail.com>
    wrote:
    > On Sat 11 Oct 2008 03:50:46p, j-lat...@neiu.edu told us...
    >
    > > I'm still getting over the trauma of the local metro fad of stores
    > > selling us plastic shopping bags to use in place of their giving us
    > > free plastic shopping bags. Protect the enviro; use the industrial
    > > strength plastic that takes ten times the time to biodegrade in
    > > landfills, after they fall apart in three uses. Harrumph!! (tm)

    >
    > I bought six of these new bags (3 insulated and 3 non insulated) nearly two
    > years ago and have yet to need to throw one away. I use them every time I
    > shop.
    >
    > I'd say you don't know what you're talking about.
    >
    > > My longer obsessive rant is about how, at least major cities, the tap
    > > water is perfectly fine and this sold water in plastic bottles note,
    > > more plastic in the landfills) is just an ostentatious fad.

    >
    > The taste (and sometimes the smell) of water coming from some of the water
    > treatment plants in unpalatable. That's not to say that it's unsanitary.
    > However, I do use a water filtration system in the kitchen which eliminates
    > the offensive taste and smell, and the need to buy bottled water.
    >
    >
    >
    > > So, a perfectly good weather Satidday, instead I'm sitting in a hotel
    > > ballroom at a fund raiser bruncheon for one more non-profit agency.
    > > At each place setting is a sealed plastic bottle of....water! What,
    > > this Chicago hotel doesn't have sinks and faucets? Is this a picnic?
    > > Next to each water bottle is a glass glass (that's a glass made out of
    > > glass), containing ice cubes. I couldn't find anyone to ask from
    > > where the ice came.

    >
    > > During the usual boring speeches, for lack of a cereal box to read, I
    > > read the label on the water
    > > bottle. "Ingredients" Ingredients? It's just water, isn't
    > > it? I know, must be a federal label requirement.

    >
    > > "Triple filtered for purity,

    >
    > > Minerals added for taste."

    >
    > > Read that again. They filtered out the minerals, then added others
    > > back in in case you miss the taste. This was done in Ohio. Oh, that
    > > 'splains it.

    >
    > > And how much did this charity pay for this special water?

    >
    > Who knows?
    >
    > --
    > Wayne Boatwright
    > (correct the spelling of "geemail" to reply)
    >
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    > punctuation festival.



    Of course, Wayne, your experience trumps everybody's. I don't know
    what I'm talking about? You haven't seen the bags sold around here,
    which I have used and tossed. But you know better, of course, because
    you always say so. Your tap water tastes bad? Good for you. Enjoy
    it.

  6. #6
    [email protected] Guest

    Default Re: Now I've really seen everything

    Beyond all that, I think my main point was lost -- The ridiculousness
    of the ingredients on the label.

    1) "triple-filtered for purity" (i.e. minerals removed)

    2) "minerals added for flavor"

    Conclusion: "We get away charging the public money for this, because
    they will pay anything to be seen carrying the latest fad product.

    Wait, I know how to raise money! I'll open a chain of coffee shops
    and charge 4.95 for 15 cents worth of burnt coffee! Yeah, that's the
    ticket!

    What's that? You say it's already been done?
    Oh damn. Back to the drawing board.

  7. #7
    Wayne Boatwright Guest

    Default Re: Now I've really seen everything

    On Sat 11 Oct 2008 09:24:37p, [email protected] told us...

    > Of course, Wayne, your experience trumps everybody's. I don't know
    > what I'm talking about? You haven't seen the bags sold around here,
    > which I have used and tossed. But you know better, of course, because
    > you always say so. Your tap water tastes bad? Good for you. Enjoy
    > it.


    Okay, I haven't seen the bags sold in your area. Perhaps they're different
    than the ones I bought. And no, I don't *always* say that I know better.
    I don't know where you got that.

    Yes, our tap water tastes bad. That's why I put a filter on the damn water
    system in our house. I'm not going to be exploited by the bottled water
    people either.

    Just how high is the horse you seem to be on?

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but as far as I can recall, we have never had an
    exchange of words before.

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    Wayne Boatwright
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  8. #8
    Wayne Boatwright Guest

    Default Re: Now I've really seen everything

    On Sat 11 Oct 2008 09:34:35p, [email protected] told us...

    > Beyond all that, I think my main point was lost -- The ridiculousness
    > of the ingredients on the label.
    >
    > 1) "triple-filtered for purity" (i.e. minerals removed)
    >
    > 2) "minerals added for flavor"
    >
    > Conclusion: "We get away charging the public money for this, because
    > they will pay anything to be seen carrying the latest fad product.
    >
    > Wait, I know how to raise money! I'll open a chain of coffee shops
    > and charge 4.95 for 15 cents worth of burnt coffee! Yeah, that's the
    > ticket!
    >
    > What's that? You say it's already been done?
    > Oh damn. Back to the drawing board.


    I never disagreed with you on any of this.

    --
    Wayne Boatwright
    (correct the spelling of "geemail" to reply)

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  9. #9
    Brian Mailman Guest

    Default Re: Now I've really seen everything

    Wayne Boatwright wrote:
    > On Sat 11 Oct 2008 03:50:46p, [email protected] told us...
    >
    >> My longer obsessive rant is about how, at least major cities, the
    >> tap water is perfectly fine


    Not necessarily. Just 12 years ago there was a major outbreak of
    cryptosporidiosis in Milwaukee. There were a few hunred thousand
    affected and 104 people with compromised immune systems died.

    If the water in Washington, DC, was "perfectly fine" you wouldn't be
    able to smell the chlorine as it comes out of the tap.

    That's not to say that many metro areas do have "perfectly fine" water,
    but that the exceptions show that there is a definite segment of the
    population who don't have a choice except to use bottled water.

    >> So, a perfectly good weather Satidday, instead I'm sitting in a
    >> hotel ballroom at a fund raiser bruncheon for one more non-profit
    >> agency. At each place setting is a sealed plastic bottle
    >> of....water! What, this Chicago hotel doesn't have sinks and
    >> faucets? Is this a picnic?


    I'll agree that that in today's casual society, the niceties of formal
    dining have suffered casualties. (yes, that was intended).

    B/

  10. #10
    JonquilJan Guest

    Default Re: Now I've really seen everything

    [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]...
    > I'm still getting over the trauma of the local metro fad of stores
    > selling us plastic shopping bags to use in place of their giving us
    > free plastic shopping bags. Protect the enviro; use the industrial
    > strength plastic that takes ten times the time to biodegrade in
    > landfills, after they fall apart in three uses. Harrumph!! (tm)


    I have net bags - the kind sometimes seen in Europe. They compress into a
    small space and 2 fit into my medium sized purse along with my other
    'stuff'. They expand to hold a great deal. Easy to transport and carry.
    Check ecobags.com.
    >
    > My longer obsessive rant is about how, at least major cities, the tap
    > water is perfectly fine and this sold water in plastic bottles note,
    > more plastic in the landfills) is just an ostentatious fad.
    >
    > So, a perfectly good weather Satidday, instead I'm sitting in a hotel
    > ballroom at a fund raiser bruncheon for one more non-profit agency.
    > At each place setting is a sealed plastic bottle of....water! What,
    > this Chicago hotel doesn't have sinks and faucets? Is this a picnic?
    > Next to each water bottle is a glass glass (that's a glass made out of
    > glass), containing ice cubes. I couldn't find anyone to ask from
    > where the ice came.
    >
    > During the usual boring speeches, for lack of a cereal box to read, I
    > read the label on the water
    > bottle. "Ingredients" Ingredients? It's just water, isn't
    > it? I know, must be a federal label requirement.
    >
    > "Triple filtered for purity,
    >
    > Minerals added for taste."
    >
    > Read that again. They filtered out the minerals, then added others
    > back in in case you miss the taste. This was done in Ohio. Oh, that
    > 'splains it.
    >
    > And how much did this charity pay for this special water?
    >
    >


    Can't comment on this since I have my own well (80' deep into a spring in
    rock) and can't stand - and don't drink - the water in the village or the
    'city'. And I don't buy bottled water - sometimes seltzer - but that's
    about it.

    JonquilJan

    Learn something new every day
    As long as you are learning, you are living
    When you stop learning, you start dying



  11. #11
    Anny Middon Guest

    Default Re: Now I've really seen everything

    "Wayne Boatwright" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected] 5.247...
    > On Sat 11 Oct 2008 03:50:46p, [email protected] told us...
    >
    >> I'm still getting over the trauma of the local metro fad of stores
    >> selling us plastic shopping bags to use in place of their giving us
    >> free plastic shopping bags. Protect the enviro; use the industrial
    >> strength plastic that takes ten times the time to biodegrade in
    >> landfills, after they fall apart in three uses. Harrumph!! (tm)

    >
    > I bought six of these new bags (3 insulated and 3 non insulated) nearly
    > two
    > years ago and have yet to need to throw one away. I use them every time I
    > shop.
    >
    > I'd say you don't know what you're talking about.


    Maybe her bags are different from the ones you and I get.

    I bought 4 bags from Jewel Food Stores some time ago. One ripped a small
    bit near the handle but is still serviceable -- I use it. The other three
    are fine. They are made of some woven material, the same as the freebie
    bags I got from the local farmers market earlier this year.
    >
    >> My longer obsessive rant is about how, at least major cities, the tap
    >> water is perfectly fine and this sold water in plastic bottles note,
    >> more plastic in the landfills) is just an ostentatious fad.

    >
    > The taste (and sometimes the smell) of water coming from some of the water
    > treatment plants in unpalatable. That's not to say that it's unsanitary.
    > However, I do use a water filtration system in the kitchen which
    > eliminates
    > the offensive taste and smell, and the need to buy bottled water.


    She said the hotel is in Chicago. I drink water from Lake Michigan in my
    suburb and it's fine, but my next door neighbor doesn't like it. Tastes
    differ.

    >
    >> So, a perfectly good weather Satidday, instead I'm sitting in a hotel
    >> ballroom at a fund raiser bruncheon for one more non-profit agency.
    >> At each place setting is a sealed plastic bottle of....water! What,
    >> this Chicago hotel doesn't have sinks and faucets? Is this a picnic?
    >> Next to each water bottle is a glass glass (that's a glass made out of
    >> glass), containing ice cubes. I couldn't find anyone to ask from
    >> where the ice came.
    >>
    >> During the usual boring speeches, for lack of a cereal box to read, I
    >> read the label on the water
    >> bottle. "Ingredients" Ingredients? It's just water, isn't
    >> it? I know, must be a federal label requirement.
    >>
    >> "Triple filtered for purity,
    >>
    >> Minerals added for taste."
    >>
    >> Read that again. They filtered out the minerals, then added others
    >> back in in case you miss the taste. This was done in Ohio. Oh, that
    >> 'splains it.


    I suspect that in addition to the minerals they filter out some other stuff.

    Anny



  12. #12
    Wayne Boatwright Guest

    Default Re: Now I've really seen everything

    On Sun 12 Oct 2008 06:18:31p, Anny Middon told us...

    > Maybe her bags are different from the ones you and I get.
    >
    > I bought 4 bags from Jewel Food Stores some time ago. One ripped a
    > small bit near the handle but is still serviceable -- I use it. The
    > other three are fine. They are made of some woven material, the same as
    > the freebie bags I got from the local farmers market earlier this year.


    Yours and mine sound like the same type.

    > She said the hotel is in Chicago. I drink water from Lake Michigan in
    > my suburb and it's fine, but my next door neighbor doesn't like it.
    > Tastes differ.


    Yes, tastes do differ. The water in the Phoenix area comes from several
    sources, is extremely hard and filled with minerals. There is usually a
    chemical taste to the water, beyond just chlorine. It's not pleasant to
    drink, although not noticeable in cooking.

    > I suspect that in addition to the minerals they filter out some other
    > stuff.


    Probably.

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  13. #13
    Isabella Woodhouse Guest

    Default Re: Now I've really seen everything

    In article
    <[email protected]>,
    "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote:

    > I'm still getting over the trauma of the local metro fad of stores
    > selling us plastic shopping bags to use in place of their giving us
    > free plastic shopping bags. Protect the enviro; use the industrial
    > strength plastic that takes ten times the time to biodegrade in
    > landfills, after they fall apart in three uses. Harrumph!! (tm)


    I know what you mean. I use cloth bags, most of which I made. One
    local grocery chain is selling those kinds of bags that you noted. The
    bags are very stiff and seem to crack easily because I see holes in
    them. The baggers at this chain often complain about my cloth bags even
    though one of them was sold by their store a few years ago. They seem
    to like either the more rigid bags that stand up all by themselves
    (heavy plastic or paper) or the thin plastic ones they can hang on a
    rack as they fill them. I have bagged when no bagger was present and
    had no problem hanging any of my bags on their racks.

    But when I shop at Whole Food, they never complain. They balance the
    weight in the bags without me asking and I even get a 10 cent credit for
    each bag. There are some other markets, locally, where you are greeted
    pleasantly for using your own reusable bags. The attitude of store
    employees may reflect the attitude of the employer.

    > My longer obsessive rant is about how, at least major cities, the tap
    > water is perfectly fine and this sold water in plastic bottles note,
    > more plastic in the landfills) is just an ostentatious fad.


    Some cities have already banned plastic bottles on city property because
    of the landfill problems. This will likely become ubiquitous since the
    cost of waste disposal is increasing so fast. While I avoid plastic
    bottles whenever I can these days, we do filter our water to get rid of
    the chlorine taste which I just loathe.

    Isabella
    --
    "I will show you fear in a handful of dust"
    -T.S. Eliot

  14. #14
    Deidzoeb Guest

    Default Re: Now I've really seen everything

    On Oct 11, 6:50*pm, "j-lat...@neiu.edu" <Jim2...@gmail.com> wrote:
    > I'm still getting over the trauma of the local metro fad of stores
    > selling us plastic shopping bags to use in place of their giving us
    > free plastic shopping bags. *Protect the enviro; use the industrial
    > strength plastic that takes ten times the time to biodegrade in
    > landfills, *after they fall apart in three uses. * * Harrumph!! *(tm)


    Most people probably have cloth totebags or backpacks they could use
    for this, wouldn't need to buy a new bag devoted to groceries, but
    I've fallen for it too and bought some re-usable bags.


    > My longer obsessive rant is about how, at least major cities, the tap
    > water is perfectly fine and this sold water in plastic bottles note,
    > more plastic in the landfills) *is just an ostentatious fad.


    I look at bottled versus tap water as a similar problem to gated
    communities. Some people give up on getting adequate policing in their
    communities or a good standard of living in their communities and they
    retreat to gated communities, as if that will protect them in the long
    run. Devoting some time and energy to reducing crime would be a lot
    better in the long run.

    I think some people have given up on their local water treatment doing
    a good job, so they rely on bottled water thinking its filtered
    better. It would be a lot better for their own health and their
    community to demand good tap water than to try buying bottled water.

  15. #15
    The Cook Guest

    Default Re: Now I've really seen everything

    On Mon, 13 Oct 2008 22:57:12 -0700 (PDT), Deidzoeb
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    >On Oct 11, 6:50*pm, "j-lat...@neiu.edu" <Jim2...@gmail.com> wrote:
    >> I'm still getting over the trauma of the local metro fad of stores
    >> selling us plastic shopping bags to use in place of their giving us
    >> free plastic shopping bags. *Protect the enviro; use the industrial
    >> strength plastic that takes ten times the time to biodegrade in
    >> landfills, *after they fall apart in three uses. * * Harrumph!! *(tm)

    >
    >Most people probably have cloth totebags or backpacks they could use
    >for this, wouldn't need to buy a new bag devoted to groceries, but
    >I've fallen for it too and bought some re-usable bags.
    >
    >
    >> My longer obsessive rant is about how, at least major cities, the tap
    >> water is perfectly fine and this sold water in plastic bottles note,
    >> more plastic in the landfills) *is just an ostentatious fad.

    >
    >I look at bottled versus tap water as a similar problem to gated
    >communities. Some people give up on getting adequate policing in their
    >communities or a good standard of living in their communities and they
    >retreat to gated communities, as if that will protect them in the long
    >run. Devoting some time and energy to reducing crime would be a lot
    >better in the long run.
    >
    >I think some people have given up on their local water treatment doing
    >a good job, so they rely on bottled water thinking its filtered
    >better. It would be a lot better for their own health and their
    >community to demand good tap water than to try buying bottled water.



    Not everyone has "city water." Those of us who live in rural areas
    have wells out of necessity. Some well water tastes just fine and
    some tastes horrible. And even though some of the water tastes bad it
    is perfectly safe.

  16. #16
    Isabella Woodhouse Guest

    Default Re: Now I've really seen everything

    In article
    <[email protected]>,
    Deidzoeb <[email protected]> wrote:

    > > My longer obsessive rant is about how, at least major cities, the tap
    > > water is perfectly fine and this sold water in plastic bottles note,
    > > more plastic in the landfills) *is just an ostentatious fad.

    >
    > I look at bottled versus tap water as a similar problem to gated
    > communities. Some people give up on getting adequate policing in their
    > communities or a good standard of living in their communities and they
    > retreat to gated communities, as if that will protect them in the long
    > run. Devoting some time and energy to reducing crime would be a lot
    > better in the long run.
    >
    > I think some people have given up on their local water treatment doing
    > a good job, so they rely on bottled water thinking its filtered
    > better. It would be a lot better for their own health and their
    > community to demand good tap water than to try buying bottled water.


    I agree that citizen activism is in very short supply these days despite
    that people have (justifiably) come to mistrust their utilities and the
    rusting US infrastructure. What with so many families needing (or
    wanting I guess) the support of multiple incomes, there's probably
    little time left for community involvement and advocacy. That, of
    course, is very convenient for those who make pigs of themselves at the
    public trough with little or no investment in the public infrastructure.

    OB-Preserving: I've been freezing a windfall of late-season wax beans
    here. 10# yesterday and today. My freezer is groaning already but I'm
    so delighted. A pair of caterwauling Barred owls kept me up the better
    part of last night; I hope they at least kept the deer away from the
    garden.

    Isabella
    --
    "I will show you fear in a handful of dust"
    -T.S. Eliot

  17. #17
    Marilyn Guest

    Default Re: Now I've really seen everything

    "The Cook" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]..
    > On Mon, 13 Oct 2008 22:57:12 -0700 (PDT), Deidzoeb
    > <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >>On Oct 11, 6:50 pm, "j-lat...@neiu.edu" <Jim2...@gmail.com> wrote:
    >>> I'm still getting over the trauma of the local metro fad of stores
    >>> selling us plastic shopping bags to use in place of their giving us
    >>> free plastic shopping bags. Protect the enviro; use the industrial
    >>> strength plastic that takes ten times the time to biodegrade in
    >>> landfills, after they fall apart in three uses. Harrumph!! (tm)

    >>
    >>Most people probably have cloth totebags or backpacks they could use
    >>for this, wouldn't need to buy a new bag devoted to groceries, but
    >>I've fallen for it too and bought some re-usable bags.
    >>
    >>
    >>> My longer obsessive rant is about how, at least major cities, the tap
    >>> water is perfectly fine and this sold water in plastic bottles note,
    >>> more plastic in the landfills) is just an ostentatious fad.

    >>
    >>I look at bottled versus tap water as a similar problem to gated
    >>communities. Some people give up on getting adequate policing in their
    >>communities or a good standard of living in their communities and they
    >>retreat to gated communities, as if that will protect them in the long
    >>run. Devoting some time and energy to reducing crime would be a lot
    >>better in the long run.
    >>
    >>I think some people have given up on their local water treatment doing
    >>a good job, so they rely on bottled water thinking its filtered
    >>better. It would be a lot better for their own health and their
    >>community to demand good tap water than to try buying bottled water.

    >
    >
    > Not everyone has "city water." Those of us who live in rural areas
    > have wells out of necessity. Some well water tastes just fine and
    > some tastes horrible. And even though some of the water tastes bad it
    > is perfectly safe.



    I live in an area where my water comes from municipal wells. Most of the
    time it tastes just fine. It does tend to make hard water stains on
    plumbing fixtures as the water company says it has a lot of magnesium in it.
    I know when I can, I try to remember to add white vinegar to the water so
    the jars don't get that white film on them.

    That being said, I think it's a little ridiculous around here when people
    have those large bottles of water delivered to their homes on a weekly basis
    in my neighborhood. You see, the water in the wells comes from the exact
    same water source that the bottled water does because the bottled water
    company is maybe five miles from my house. ALL the water comes from the
    huge aquifer that is underground in this area. That company's water comes
    from wells drawing from this aquifer. It's the same water, people.



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