Thread: Dang!

On Thu, 01 Sep 2011 17:53:11 -0500, George Shirley
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Still wanting to make pear mincemeat and all the pears I could get for
>free dropped their fruit already. Went to Kroger this afternoon and
>bought ten lbs for a buck a lb. Reckon sometime tomorrow I will make
>pear mincemeat. Since I don't care for raisins and can't get real
>currants down here reckon I will sub in dried blueberries and cranberries.
>
>George

Perhaps it's time to address an issue I've had for a while. I was
about to ask for a recipe for mincemeat and realized everytime I've
asked for a recipe I've been given a link or a run-a-round. I would
hope the more experienced preservers would be willing to help we
newbies with their recipes and tips. Please consider that we respect
the extensive knowledge and experience most of you have. Is it too
much to ask for you to mentor we beginners?

Respectfully,
Lou

On 09/01/2011 03:53 PM, George Shirley wrote:
> Still wanting to make pear mincemeat and all the pears I could get for
> free dropped their fruit already. Went to Kroger this afternoon and
> bought ten lbs for a buck a lb. Reckon sometime tomorrow I will make
> pear mincemeat. Since I don't care for raisins and can't get real
> currants down here reckon I will sub in dried blueberries and cranberries.

Oh, that sounds WONDERFUL.

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George.....my Dad has always loved mincemeat but the kind with beef in
it.....do you put beef in yours' or just the fruits?.....Carol

"Carol S" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> George.....my Dad has always loved mincemeat but the kind with beef in
> it.....do you put beef in yours' or just the fruits?.....Carol

Carol, do you mean beef suet?



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Ophelia.....no not suet....more like shredded beef....the Amish make it
that way alot....Carol

"Carol S" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> Ophelia.....no not suet....more like shredded beef....the Amish make it
> that way alot....Carol

Ok. That is how our (UK) mincemeat started out many years ago but changed
to suet.
I found this in wiki for you. It gives a 19 century recipe which does
actually uses beef.

HTH

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Oops here it is:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minceme...century_recipe

"Ophelia" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> "Carol S" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>> Ophelia.....no not suet....more like shredded beef....the Amish make it
>> that way alot....Carol
>
> Ok. That is how our (UK) mincemeat started out many years ago but changed
> to suet.
> I found this in wiki for you. It gives a 19 century recipe which does
> actually uses beef.
>
> HTH
>
> O
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On 9/1/2011 8:19 PM, Sunny wrote:
> On Thu, 01 Sep 2011 17:53:11 -0500, George Shirley
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Still wanting to make pear mincemeat and all the pears I could get for
>> free dropped their fruit already. Went to Kroger this afternoon and
>> bought ten lbs for a buck a lb. Reckon sometime tomorrow I will make
>> pear mincemeat. Since I don't care for raisins and can't get real
>> currants down here reckon I will sub in dried blueberries and cranberries.
>>
>> George
>
> Perhaps it's time to address an issue I've had for a while. I was
> about to ask for a recipe for mincemeat and realized everytime I've
> asked for a recipe I've been given a link or a run-a-round. I would
> hope the more experienced preservers would be willing to help we
> newbies with their recipes and tips. Please consider that we respect
> the extensive knowledge and experience most of you have. Is it too
> much to ask for you to mentor we beginners?
>
> Respectfully,
> Lou
Most of us will willingly answer questions Lou, it's just that
sometimes, particularly in "canning season" we're pretty busy. As for
the links, most of the experienced canners on this newsgroup use the
USDA safety rules for canning and, rather than spend time explaining how
it works, will send you to the U of Georgia Food Safety website. As for
recipes, many, if not most, of us use recipes from "So Easy To Preserve"
or one of the Ball books. That's exactly how I'm making my pear
mincemeat, from the Ball Big Book. Many internet recipes don't actually
use food safety methods so I, for one, don't usually just send out such
recipes.

If you have specific questions feel free to post them here and, sooner
or later, one or more of us will reply.

George

On 9/2/2011 12:23 AM, Carol S wrote:
> George.....my Dad has always loved mincemeat but the kind with beef in
> it.....do you put beef in yours' or just the fruits?.....Carol
>
Just the fruit Carol, was your Dad a Brit? I don't remember ever eating
mincemeat with beef in it here in the south. Brits I worked with years
ago loved their meat mincemeat, usually in some sort of "pie."

"George Shirley" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On 9/2/2011 12:23 AM, Carol S wrote:
>> George.....my Dad has always loved mincemeat but the kind with beef in
>> it.....do you put beef in yours' or just the fruits?.....Carol
>>
> Just the fruit Carol, was your Dad a Brit? I don't remember ever eating
> mincemeat with beef in it here in the south. Brits I worked with years ago
> loved their meat mincemeat, usually in some sort of "pie."

But our mincemeat pie doesn't have fruit.


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On 9/2/2011 7:58 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>
> "George Shirley" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:4e60c59d$0$2762$[email protected] com...
>> On 9/2/2011 12:23 AM, Carol S wrote:
>>> George.....my Dad has always loved mincemeat but the kind with beef in
>>> it.....do you put beef in yours' or just the fruits?.....Carol
>>>
>> Just the fruit Carol, was your Dad a Brit? I don't remember ever
>> eating mincemeat with beef in it here in the south. Brits I worked
>> with years ago loved their meat mincemeat, usually in some sort of "pie."
>
> But our mincemeat pie doesn't have fruit.
>
>
I know, minced meat in Brit speak is what we call hamburger, that's if I
remember correctly. Mincemeat pie in Great Britain is savory, not sweet.
Again, an aging mind can remember things differently.

I much preferred shepherd pie myself.

"George Shirley" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On 9/2/2011 7:58 AM, Ophelia wrote:
>>
>> "George Shirley" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:4e60c59d$0$2762$[email protected] com...
>>> On 9/2/2011 12:23 AM, Carol S wrote:
>>>> George.....my Dad has always loved mincemeat but the kind with beef in
>>>> it.....do you put beef in yours' or just the fruits?.....Carol
>>>>
>>> Just the fruit Carol, was your Dad a Brit? I don't remember ever
>>> eating mincemeat with beef in it here in the south. Brits I worked
>>> with years ago loved their meat mincemeat, usually in some sort of
>>> "pie."
>>
>> But our mincemeat pie doesn't have fruit.
>>
>>
> I know, minced meat in Brit speak is what we call hamburger, that's if I
> remember correctly.

I don't really know. I thought hamburger was that lump of minced meat
cooked into a .... err... hamburger?

Mincemeat pie in Great Britain is savory, not sweet.
> Again, an aging mind can remember things differently.

No it's not sweet. You remember it quite correctly. It is minced beef and
onion with gravy in a pie

> I much preferred shepherd pie myself.

Each has its own charms

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Carol S wrote:
>
> George.....my Dad has always loved mincemeat but the kind with beef in
> it.....do you put beef in yours' or just the fruits?

I thought US "mincemeat" does not have meat the way Welsh Rabbit does
not have rabbit. The name just happens to sound like it.

Interesting that mincemeat in the UK means ground meat. The would make
a mincemeat pie be in the pastie category.

On 9/2/2011 10:35 AM, Doug Freyburger wrote:
> Carol S wrote:
>>
>> George.....my Dad has always loved mincemeat but the kind with beef in
>> it.....do you put beef in yours' or just the fruits?
>
> I thought US "mincemeat" does not have meat the way Welsh Rabbit does
> not have rabbit. The name just happens to sound like it.
>
> Interesting that mincemeat in the UK means ground meat. The would make
> a mincemeat pie be in the pastie category.



So much misinformation caused by ambiguity in British English

There are two different uses of "mincemeat".

"Minced meat" - two words - or "mince", is meat that has been ground -
the meat is "minced". I can't remember if the etymology is from Latin or
French.

"Mincemeat" - one word - is a sweet, spiced mix of various fruits,
usually including raisins, sultanas, cloves, cinnamon, and ginger. Its
name derives from its origin as "cheap meat" - it was originally ground
meat, but as meat got more expensive, more and more fruit got
substituted until all that remained of the sweet ground meat mixture was
the suet, or beef fat.

A "mincemeat tart (or pie)" is a sweet, spiced, fruit tart - it is not a
savoury "meat pie".

Hope this helps!



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Oh, here's the etymolgy:

The "mince" in mincemeat comes from the Middle English mincen, and the
Old French mincier both traceable to the Vulgar Latin minutiare and
Latin minutia meaning smallness. The word mincemeat is an adaptation of
an earlier term minced meat, meaning finely chopped meat. Meat was also
a term for food in general, not only animal flesh.


On 9/2/2011 10:50 AM, Stuart wrote:
> On 9/2/2011 10:35 AM, Doug Freyburger wrote:
>> Carol S wrote:
>>>
>>> George.....my Dad has always loved mincemeat but the kind with beef in
>>> it.....do you put beef in yours' or just the fruits?
>>
>> I thought US "mincemeat" does not have meat the way Welsh Rabbit does
>> not have rabbit. The name just happens to sound like it.
>>
>> Interesting that mincemeat in the UK means ground meat. The would make
>> a mincemeat pie be in the pastie category.
>
>
>
> So much misinformation caused by ambiguity in British English
>
> There are two different uses of "mincemeat".
>
> "Minced meat" - two words - or "mince", is meat that has been ground -
> the meat is "minced". I can't remember if the etymology is from Latin or
> French.
>
> "Mincemeat" - one word - is a sweet, spiced mix of various fruits,
> usually including raisins, sultanas, cloves, cinnamon, and ginger. Its
> name derives from its origin as "cheap meat" - it was originally ground
> meat, but as meat got more expensive, more and more fruit got
> substituted until all that remained of the sweet ground meat mixture was
> the suet, or beef fat.
>
> A "mincemeat tart (or pie)" is a sweet, spiced, fruit tart - it is not a
> savoury "meat pie".
>
> Hope this helps!
>
>
>


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"Stuart" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On 9/2/2011 10:35 AM, Doug Freyburger wrote:
>> Carol S wrote:
>>>
>>> George.....my Dad has always loved mincemeat but the kind with beef in
>>> it.....do you put beef in yours' or just the fruits?
>>
>> I thought US "mincemeat" does not have meat the way Welsh Rabbit does
>> not have rabbit. The name just happens to sound like it.
>>
>> Interesting that mincemeat in the UK means ground meat. The would make
>> a mincemeat pie be in the pastie category.
>
>
>
> So much misinformation caused by ambiguity in British English
>
> There are two different uses of "mincemeat".
>
> "Minced meat" - two words - or "mince", is meat that has been ground - the
> meat is "minced". I can't remember if the etymology is from Latin or
> French.
>
> "Mincemeat" - one word - is a sweet, spiced mix of various fruits, usually
> including raisins, sultanas, cloves, cinnamon, and ginger. Its name
> derives from its origin as "cheap meat" - it was originally ground meat,
> but as meat got more expensive, more and more fruit got substituted until
> all that remained of the sweet ground meat mixture was the suet, or beef
> fat.
>
> A "mincemeat tart (or pie)" is a sweet, spiced, fruit tart - it is not a
> savoury "meat pie".
>
> Hope this helps!

Exactly right)

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On 9/2/2011 10:35 AM, Doug Freyburger wrote:
> Carol S wrote:
>>
>> George.....my Dad has always loved mincemeat but the kind with beef in
>> it.....do you put beef in yours' or just the fruits?
>
> I thought US "mincemeat" does not have meat the way Welsh Rabbit does
> not have rabbit. The name just happens to sound like it.
>
> Interesting that mincemeat in the UK means ground meat. The would make
> a mincemeat pie be in the pastie category.
Depends upon which part of Blighty you're from. I think Lady O is
originally a Yorkie but lives in Glasgow now, that doesn't make her a
Glaswegian though. At least according to my Scots friends. I don't think
she's Cornish or she would refer to meat pasties. Gawd, I'm surprised I
even remember what my many Brit friends taught me 28 years ago. Not to
mention the Irish I worked with, they really eat strange things.

On 9/2/2011 10:50 AM, Stuart wrote:
> On 9/2/2011 10:35 AM, Doug Freyburger wrote:
>> Carol S wrote:
>>>
>>> George.....my Dad has always loved mincemeat but the kind with beef in
>>> it.....do you put beef in yours' or just the fruits?
>>
>> I thought US "mincemeat" does not have meat the way Welsh Rabbit does
>> not have rabbit. The name just happens to sound like it.
>>
>> Interesting that mincemeat in the UK means ground meat. The would make
>> a mincemeat pie be in the pastie category.
>
>
>
> So much misinformation caused by ambiguity in British English
>
> There are two different uses of "mincemeat".
>
> "Minced meat" - two words - or "mince", is meat that has been ground -
> the meat is "minced". I can't remember if the etymology is from Latin or
> French.
>
> "Mincemeat" - one word - is a sweet, spiced mix of various fruits,
> usually including raisins, sultanas, cloves, cinnamon, and ginger. Its
> name derives from its origin as "cheap meat" - it was originally ground
> meat, but as meat got more expensive, more and more fruit got
> substituted until all that remained of the sweet ground meat mixture was
> the suet, or beef fat.
>
> A "mincemeat tart (or pie)" is a sweet, spiced, fruit tart - it is not a
> savoury "meat pie".
>
> Hope this helps!
>
>
>

Right on! I had forgotten the "minced meat" part. It's all starting to
run together.

"George Shirley" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On 9/2/2011 10:35 AM, Doug Freyburger wrote:
>> Carol S wrote:
>>>
>>> George.....my Dad has always loved mincemeat but the kind with beef in
>>> it.....do you put beef in yours' or just the fruits?
>>
>> I thought US "mincemeat" does not have meat the way Welsh Rabbit does
>> not have rabbit. The name just happens to sound like it.
>>
>> Interesting that mincemeat in the UK means ground meat. The would make
>> a mincemeat pie be in the pastie category.

> Depends upon which part of Blighty you're from. I think Lady O is
> originally a Yorkie but lives in Glasgow now, that doesn't make her a
> Glaswegian though.

All true and while it might not make me Glasgwegian, since I worked among
them for over 25 years I suspect some of it might have rubbed off)

At least according to my Scots friends. I don't think
> she's Cornish or she would refer to meat pasties.

Well, not only the Cornish have pasties you know Many people make pasties
too even though the are indeed called 'Cornish pasties' We can buy them
in any spmrkt in UK


Gawd, I'm surprised I
> even remember what my many Brit friends taught me 28 years ago. Not to
> mention the Irish I worked with, they really eat strange things.

lol you have a very good memory George


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