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  1. #1
    Dimitri Guest

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    While here in Cambria my wine racks were buried under a staircase down a
    flight of stairs. I forgot about my wines. I now have 6 more bottles of 22
    buck Chuck.

    That's 2 buck Chuck (Charles Shaw from Trader Joe's) Cabernet that is 11
    years old. DELICIOUS!

    Have you ever accidentally aged some red's ?

    Dimitri


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    Tom Biasi Guest

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    "Dimitri" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:N0RUn.78$3%[email protected]..
    > While here in Cambria my wine racks were buried under a staircase down a
    > flight of stairs. I forgot about my wines. I now have 6 more bottles of 22
    > buck Chuck.
    >
    > That's 2 buck Chuck (Charles Shaw from Trader Joe's) Cabernet that is 11
    > years old. DELICIOUS!
    >
    > Have you ever accidentally aged some red's ?
    >
    > Dimitri


    Found a couple of bottles of 1945 Chateau Mouton-Rothschild Jeroboam in my
    wife's grandmother's house about 20 years. I forgot I had them until I read
    your post.



    Tom



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    Dimitri Guest

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    "Tom Biasi" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > "Dimitri" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:N0RUn.78$3%[email protected]..
    >> While here in Cambria my wine racks were buried under a staircase down a
    >> flight of stairs. I forgot about my wines. I now have 6 more bottles of
    >> 22 buck Chuck.
    >>
    >> That's 2 buck Chuck (Charles Shaw from Trader Joe's) Cabernet that is 11
    >> years old. DELICIOUS!
    >>
    >> Have you ever accidentally aged some red's ?
    >>
    >> Dimitri

    >
    > Found a couple of bottles of 1945 Chateau Mouton-Rothschild Jeroboam in my
    > wife's grandmother's house about 20 years. I forgot I had them until I
    > read your post.
    >
    >
    >
    > Tom



    You might want to check their value before opening one.

    Have they been stored properly?

    One time on an anniversary trip I had purchased some Inglenook Cab that at
    the time it was 7 to 10 years old - stored it and forgot it. Some 15 years
    later I took the bottle on another anniversary trip. Before opening it I
    checked the price - it had gone to $350.00 - I drank it anyway - it was very
    good but I am incapable of appreciating a $350.00 bottle of wine.

    Dimitri


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    ImStillMags Guest

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    On Jun 24, 3:58*pm, "Tom Biasi" <tombi...@optonline.net> wrote:
    > "Dimitri" <Dimitr...@prodigy.net> wrote in message
    >
    > news:N0RUn.78$3%[email protected]..
    >
    > > While here in Cambria my wine racks were buried under a staircase down a
    > > flight of stairs. I forgot about my wines. I now have 6 more bottles of22
    > > buck Chuck.

    >
    > > That's 2 buck Chuck (Charles Shaw from Trader Joe's) Cabernet that is 11
    > > years old. DELICIOUS!

    >
    > > Have you ever accidentally aged some red's ?

    >
    > > Dimitri

    >
    > Found a couple of bottles of 1945 Chateau Mouton-Rothschild Jeroboam in my
    > wife's grandmother's house about 20 years. I forgot I had them until I read
    > your post.
    >
    > Tom



    Aw you lucky so and so's. A friend of mine has a case of Robert
    Modavi Cabernet he had fogotten about...20 years ago.

    We cracled one bottle....oh my, was it wonderful. He won't
    touch the rest , says it's worth a bunch of money.





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    Tom Biasi Guest

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    "Tom Biasi" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > "Dimitri" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:N0RUn.78$3%[email protected]..
    >> While here in Cambria my wine racks were buried under a staircase down a
    >> flight of stairs. I forgot about my wines. I now have 6 more bottles of
    >> 22 buck Chuck.
    >>
    >> That's 2 buck Chuck (Charles Shaw from Trader Joe's) Cabernet that is 11
    >> years old. DELICIOUS!
    >>
    >> Have you ever accidentally aged some red's ?
    >>
    >> Dimitri

    >
    > Found a couple of bottles of 1945 Chateau Mouton-Rothschild Jeroboam in my
    > wife's grandmother's house about 20 years. I forgot I had them until I
    > read your post.
    >
    >
    >
    > Tom
    >
    >


    I thought you would know I was joking.
    Look what they would go for.
    http://www.newluxuryitems.com/expens...hild-1945.html

    Tom



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    skeeter Guest

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    "Tom Biasi" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > "Tom Biasi" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:4c23e31e$0$22539$[email protected]..
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    >> "Dimitri" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >> news:N0RUn.78$3%[email protected]..
    >>> While here in Cambria my wine racks were buried under a staircase down a
    >>> flight of stairs. I forgot about my wines. I now have 6 more bottles of
    >>> 22 buck Chuck.
    >>>
    >>> That's 2 buck Chuck (Charles Shaw from Trader Joe's) Cabernet that is 11
    >>> years old. DELICIOUS!
    >>>
    >>> Have you ever accidentally aged some red's ?
    >>>
    >>> Dimitri

    >>
    >> Found a couple of bottles of 1945 Chateau Mouton-Rothschild Jeroboam in
    >> my wife's grandmother's house about 20 years. I forgot I had them until I
    >> read your post.
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> Tom
    >>
    >>

    >
    > I thought you would know I was joking.
    > Look what they would go for.
    > http://www.newluxuryitems.com/expens...hild-1945.html
    >
    > Tom
    >


    i thought you were. or maybe an oenophile.


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    George Leppla Guest

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    On 6/24/2010 6:08 PM, Dimitri wrote:

    > One time on an anniversary trip I had purchased some Inglenook Cab that
    > at the time it was 7 to 10 years old - stored it and forgot it. Some 15
    > years later I took the bottle on another anniversary trip. Before
    > opening it I checked the price - it had gone to $350.00 - I drank it
    > anyway - it was very good but I am incapable of appreciating a $350.00
    > bottle of wine.



    Me too. I can't tell the difference between a $3 bottle and a $300
    bottle of wine. I was once invited to a very hoity toity wine tasting
    and must have sampled 10 different wines. The Head Wine Mahaffadon
    would go on and on about how this one had a good "nose" and the other
    had good "legs" and after-tones... and he used words like "amusing" and
    "captivating"...... and they all tasted like crap to me.

    And while we are at it... all beer tastes the same to me. Bitter. When
    I was young I would drink the stuff by the case... but now I can't stand
    it. Every once in a while we'll go to some place that brews their own
    beer and I'll try it out of curiosity and end up paying $4 for a glass
    of something that tastes terrible. Go figure.

    George L


  8. #8
    Steve Pope Guest

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    I have left rather inexpensive wines to age a long time.
    Results are mixed, but so are those with more expensive wines.
    There's always the chance of something continuing to improve,
    or at least become interesting, but IME it seldom corresponds
    to wine reviewers' predictions.

    The only wines I have found that absolutely, reliably hold up
    and improve with age are ports. Claret and California cabs
    are good candidates but not certainties. It goes downhill
    from there but I have had old Rhones and some Italians that
    were very nice. And also, Champagnes.

    Steve

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    Kent Guest

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    "Tom Biasi" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:4c23e31e$0$22539$[email protected]..
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    > "Dimitri" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:N0RUn.78$3%[email protected]..
    >> While here in Cambria my wine racks were buried under a staircase down a
    >> flight of stairs. I forgot about my wines. I now have 6 more bottles of
    >> 22 buck Chuck.
    >>
    >> That's 2 buck Chuck (Charles Shaw from Trader Joe's) Cabernet that is 11
    >> years old. DELICIOUS!
    >>
    >> Have you ever accidentally aged some red's ?
    >>
    >> Dimitri

    >
    > Found a couple of bottles of 1945 Chateau Mouton-Rothschild Jeroboam in my
    > wife's grandmother's house about 20 years. I forgot I had them until I
    > read your post.
    >
    >
    >
    > Tom
    >
    >

    As you probably already know, a bottle 45 Mouton Rothschild in good
    condition is worth around $5,000. You can sell it on consignment.

    Kent




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    Kent Guest

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    "Kent" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > "Tom Biasi" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:4c23e31e$0$22539$[email protected]..
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    >> "Dimitri" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >> news:N0RUn.78$3%[email protected]..
    >>> While here in Cambria my wine racks were buried under a staircase down a
    >>> flight of stairs. I forgot about my wines. I now have 6 more bottles of
    >>> 22 buck Chuck.
    >>>
    >>> That's 2 buck Chuck (Charles Shaw from Trader Joe's) Cabernet that is 11
    >>> years old. DELICIOUS!
    >>>
    >>> Have you ever accidentally aged some red's ?
    >>>
    >>> Dimitri

    >>
    >> Found a couple of bottles of 1945 Chateau Mouton-Rothschild Jeroboam in
    >> my wife's grandmother's house about 20 years. I forgot I had them until I
    >> read your post.
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> Tom
    >>
    >>

    > As you probably already know, a bottle 1945 Mouton Rothschild in good
    > condition is worth around $5,000. You can sell it on consignment.
    >
    > Kent
    >

    My 1982 Mouton Rothschild is only worth $1,500/bottle. 1945 was a
    spectacular year for Bourdeaux wines, something I've never been able to
    understand. How could or would that occur in the waning moments of WWII. The
    French are making wine as per usual, and the allied forces are crossing the
    Rhine into Germany.

    Kent






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    notbob Guest

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    On 2010-06-24, Dimitri <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    > That's 2 buck Chuck (Charles Shaw from Trader Joe's) Cabernet that is 11
    > years old. DELICIOUS!


    I bet.

    2$CHK was pretty good wine when it first hit the market. BTW, Charles
    Shaw wine didn't hit the market till 2001. Do your bottles give an
    earlier year?

    nb

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    pavane Guest

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    "Kent" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:i00u1d$6hb$[email protected]..
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    | "Kent" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    | news:i00tj5$4vb$[email protected]..
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    | > "Tom Biasi" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    | > news:4c23e31e$0$22539$[email protected]..
    | >>
    | >> "Dimitri" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    | >> news:N0RUn.78$3%[email protected]..
    | >>> While here in Cambria my wine racks were buried under a staircase down a
    | >>> flight of stairs. I forgot about my wines. I now have 6 more bottles of
    | >>> 22 buck Chuck.
    | >>>
    | >>> That's 2 buck Chuck (Charles Shaw from Trader Joe's) Cabernet that is 11
    | >>> years old. DELICIOUS!
    | >>>
    | >>> Have you ever accidentally aged some red's ?
    | >>>
    | >>> Dimitri
    | >>
    | >> Found a couple of bottles of 1945 Chateau Mouton-Rothschild Jeroboam in
    | >> my wife's grandmother's house about 20 years. I forgot I had them until I
    | >> read your post.
    | >>
    | >>
    | >>
    | >> Tom
    | >>
    | >>
    | > As you probably already know, a bottle 1945 Mouton Rothschild in good
    | > condition is worth around $5,000. You can sell it on consignment.
    | >
    | > Kent
    | >
    | My 1982 Mouton Rothschild is only worth $1,500/bottle. 1945 was a
    | spectacular year for Bourdeaux wines, something I've never been able to
    | understand. How could or would that occur in the waning moments of WWII. The
    | French are making wine as per usual, and the allied forces are crossing the
    | Rhine into Germany.
    |
    | Kent

    About the same way that 1941, when the US got into the whole mess and
    Japan attacked and chaos reigned, France produced virtually no wine
    of any mention; one of the worst years in the last century. No one ever
    said that Bacchus lacked a sense of humor.

    pavane



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    Motzarella Guest

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    "Dimitri" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:N0RUn.78$3%[email protected]..
    > While here in Cambria my wine racks were buried under a staircase down a
    > flight of stairs. I forgot about my wines. I now have 6 more bottles of 22
    > buck Chuck.
    >
    > That's 2 buck Chuck (Charles Shaw from Trader Joe's) Cabernet that is 11
    > years old. DELICIOUS!
    >
    > Have you ever accidentally aged some red's ?
    >
    > Dimitri


    Hi Dimitri

    Funny, but I often have accidentally aged whites. I go in assuming reds,
    especially cabs, cab francs, Cahors, Madiran wines must be aged.

    But I guess two buck chuck is "engineered" to be bought at 2PM and served at
    7PM. Nothing wrong with that. But the very nature of tannins in reds will
    allow for aging. Glad you were rewarded for your "patience."

    alan


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    Ed Pawlowski Guest

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    "ImStillMags" <[email protected]> wrote
    > Aw you lucky so and so's. A friend of mine has a case of Robert
    > Modavi Cabernet he had fogotten about...20 years ago.
    >
    > We cracled one bottle....oh my, was it wonderful. He won't
    > touch the rest , says it's worth a bunch of money.


    I bought a couple of bottles for $10. Drank most, but put a couple away.
    Went back to the same store about 6 or 8 years later and they were selling
    the same vintage for $80.


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    Ed Pawlowski Guest

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    "Kent" <[email protected]> wrote
    > 1945 was a spectacular year for Bourdeaux wines, something I've never been
    > able to understand. How could or would that occur in the waning moments of
    > WWII. The French are making wine as per usual, and the allied forces are
    > crossing the Rhine into Germany.


    War does not affect the rainfall and temperature needed for a spectacular
    vintage. War or no, wine makers still had to earn a living, so they
    harvested and bottled..


  16. #16
    Steve Pope Guest

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    Kent <[email protected]> wrote:

    > 1945 was a spectacular year for Bourdeaux wines, something I've
    > never been able to understand. How could or would that occur in
    > the waning moments of WWII. The French are making wine as per
    > usual, and the allied forces are crossing the Rhine into Germany.


    I have always assumed they hid away all the great Bordeaux made during
    the occupation years, and sold it all as '45 afterwards.


    Steve

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    Dave Smith Guest

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    Steve Pope wrote:
    > Kent <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >> 1945 was a spectacular year for Bourdeaux wines, something I've
    >> never been able to understand. How could or would that occur in
    >> the waning moments of WWII. The French are making wine as per
    >> usual, and the allied forces are crossing the Rhine into Germany.

    >
    > I have always assumed they hid away all the great Bordeaux made during
    > the occupation years, and sold it all as '45 afterwards.



    According to the book "Wine and War: The French, the Nazis, and the
    Battle for France's Greatest Treasure ", the Germans pillaged most of
    the good wines and drank them or sent them back to Germany. The author
    claims that the vintners changed the labels so the Nazis thought they
    were getting the good stuff.

  18. #18
    pltrgyst Guest

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    On Thu, 24 Jun 2010 18:42:03 -0700, "Motzarella" <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    >.... But the very nature of tannins in reds will
    >allow for aging. Glad you were rewarded for your "patience."


    But not all, and not indefinitely. A good friend inherited a hundred or
    so cases from his father, who was an importer of Italian wine. Barolos,
    Amarones, Barbarescos.

    It's depressing to find only one drinkable bottle out of each case on
    average.

    My earliest fine wine futures purchases were from the '64, '66. '70, and
    '78 vintages. Only the '66s are still going strong. The '70s are all
    brown-edged and very tired. '78 Haut Brion and La Lagune are at the end
    of their lives.

    The worst feeking is to open an old expensive bottle and find it
    undrinkable. Drink up! They're always making more, using better and
    better methods.

    -- Larry

  19. #19
    Steve Pope Guest

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    Dave Smith <[email protected]> wrote:

    >Steve Pope wrote:


    >> I have always assumed they hid away all the great Bordeaux made during
    >> the occupation years, and sold it all as '45 afterwards.


    >According to the book "Wine and War: The French, the Nazis, and the
    >Battle for France's Greatest Treasure ", the Germans pillaged most of
    >the good wines and drank them or sent them back to Germany. The author
    >claims that the vintners changed the labels so the Nazis thought they
    >were getting the good stuff.


    I started reading that book but didn't get very far... great
    subject matter but stilted writing style.

    I should buckle down and plow through it sometime.

    Steve

  20. #20
    Dave Smith Guest

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    Steve Pope wrote:
    > Dave Smith <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >> Steve Pope wrote:

    >
    >>> I have always assumed they hid away all the great Bordeaux made during
    >>> the occupation years, and sold it all as '45 afterwards.

    >
    >> According to the book "Wine and War: The French, the Nazis, and the
    >> Battle for France's Greatest Treasure ", the Germans pillaged most of
    >> the good wines and drank them or sent them back to Germany. The author
    >> claims that the vintners changed the labels so the Nazis thought they
    >> were getting the good stuff.

    >
    > I started reading that book but didn't get very far... great
    > subject matter but stilted writing style.
    >
    > I should buckle down and plow through it sometime.



    Stilted? I had to wonder when I got to the part about how French troops
    were the first to Eagle's Nest and got all their wine back. I watched
    Band of Brothers and saw the episode about capturing the Eagle's nest
    and finding all the wine, and he also talks about it in his book. It
    seems there is some controversy over who was the first there, with
    Americans and French both claiming the honours.


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