Thread: Will this product be available and affordable anytime soon?

On 6/5/2010 6:47 PM, GreenXenon wrote:
> Hi:
>
> The below link describes a health product I'm looking for. How long
> until such becomes available for $1-per-package?
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/healt...ble?hl=en&lnk=

...

You wrote "If only this product existed and was affordable, I’d have no
problem living solely off it. "

My guess is that such food would necessarily be so highly processed that
you wouldn't live long at all.

Jerry
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"GreenXenon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]...
> Hi:
>
> The below link describes a health product I'm looking for. How long
> until such becomes available for $1-per-package?
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/healt...ble?hl=en&lnk=
>
> I seriously wouldn't mind living off that stuff. Along with at least
> 30 minutes of vigorous aerobic exercise [preceded by warm-up and
> stretch exercises], this would greatly increase the chances of living
> a long, healthy life.
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Green Xenon
>
> P.S. Feel free to join that group


vegan-friendly Now that's a turn on ...... NOT!

Dimitri

On Jun 6, 10:52*am, Jerry Avins <j...@ieee.org> wrote:


> On 6/5/2010 6:47 PM, GreenXenon wrote:


>
> > Hi:
>
> > The below link describes a health product I'm looking for. How long
> > until such becomes available for $1-per-package?
>
> >http://groups.google.com/group/healt...ble?hl=en&lnk=


>
> * *...
>
> You wrote "If only this product existed and was affordable, I’d have no
> problem living solely off it. "
>
> My guess is that such food would necessarily be so highly processed that
> you wouldn't live long at all.


Why would the processing decrease the health of the food?

On 6/6/2010 2:55 PM, Dimitri wrote:
> "GreenXenon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]...
>> Hi:
>>
>> The below link describes a health product I'm looking for. How long
>> until such becomes available for $1-per-package?
>>
>> http://groups.google.com/group/healt...ble?hl=en&lnk=
>>
>> I seriously wouldn't mind living off that stuff. Along with at least
>> 30 minutes of vigorous aerobic exercise [preceded by warm-up and
>> stretch exercises], this would greatly increase the chances of living
>> a long, healthy life.
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Green Xenon
>>
>> P.S. Feel free to join that group
>
>
> vegan-friendly Now that's a turn on ...... NOT!

Sounds like he's looking for packaged rabbit-cud or something of that
nature.

In article
<[email protected]>,
GreenXenon <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Jun 6, 10:52*am, Jerry Avins <j...@ieee.org> wrote:
>
>
> > On 6/5/2010 6:47 PM, GreenXenon wrote:
>
>
> >
> > > Hi:
> >
> > > The below link describes a health product I'm looking for. How long
> > > until such becomes available for $1-per-package?
> >
> > >http://groups.google.com/group/healt...ble?hl=en&lnk=
>
>
> >
> > * *...
> >
> > You wrote "If only this product existed and was affordable, I¹d have no
> > problem living solely off it. "
> >
> > My guess is that such food would necessarily be so highly processed that
> > you wouldn't live long at all.
>
>
> Why would the processing decrease the health of the food?

There actually is a "chow" made for Primates. Both Purina and Zupreem
make one:

http://www.angryman.ca/monkey.html

Might consider stocking a storm shelter with some, but I'd not want to
live on it. <g>

I sometimes get monkey biscuits for my cockatoo. She likes them.
--
Peace! Om

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On 6/6/2010 3:09 PM, GreenXenon wrote:
> On Jun 6, 10:52 am, Jerry Avins<j...@ieee.org> wrote:
>
>
>> On 6/5/2010 6:47 PM, GreenXenon wrote:
>
>
>>
>>> Hi:
>>
>>> The below link describes a health product I'm looking for. How long
>>> until such becomes available for $1-per-package?
>>
>>> http://groups.google.com/group/healt...ble?hl=en&lnk=
>
>
>>
>> ...
>>
>> You wrote "If only this product existed and was affordable, I’d have no
>> problem living solely off it. "
>>
>> My guess is that such food would necessarily be so highly processed that
>> you wouldn't live long at all.
>
>
> Why would the processing decrease the health of the food?

Most nutritionists agree that natural food is better for long-term
health than processed food. Humans began to eat processed food only in
the last few thousand years. Our digestive systems' evolution occurred
mostly before that.

Jerry
--
Engineering is the art of making what you want from things you can get.
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On Jun 6, 7:26*pm, Jerry Avins <j...@ieee.org> wrote:


> On 6/6/2010 3:09 PM, GreenXenon wrote:

>
> > Why would the processing decrease the health of the food?


>
> Most nutritionists agree that natural food is better for long-term
> health than processed food.


Depends. In this case of my hypothetical product, the processing
removes only undesirable substances.

In article
<[email protected]>,
GreenXenon <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Jun 6, 7:26*pm, Jerry Avins <j...@ieee.org> wrote:
>
>
> > On 6/6/2010 3:09 PM, GreenXenon wrote:
>
> >
> > > Why would the processing decrease the health of the food?
>
>
> >
> > Most nutritionists agree that natural food is better for long-term
> > health than processed food.
>
>
> Depends. In this case of my hypothetical product, the processing
> removes only undesirable substances.

The whole history of processing foods shows that as we take out the
unnecessary stuff, like bran, then we discover that we have removed
things that are necessary. Lots of processing removed or destroyed
vitamins, but since we hadn't discovered them yet, we didn't miss them
until people started developing vitamin deficiencies. Once we removed
all the unnecessary stuff and got food down to it's basic sugar, fat and
protein, we found out that those weren't sufficient for good health.

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA
[email protected]

On Jun 6, 10:17*pm, Dan Abel <da...@sonic.net> wrote:


> The whole history of processing foods shows that as we take out the
> unnecessary stuff, like bran, then we discover that we have removed
> things that are necessary.


In my case, the opposite would be done. Keep the bran, but remove the
starches/sugars.


> Lots of processing removed or destroyed
> vitamins, but since we hadn't discovered them yet, we didn't miss them
> until people started developing vitamin deficiencies. *


What if the processing does not remove/damage vitamins or other
nutrients [as in the case of my hypothetical product]?


> Once we removed
> all the unnecessary stuff and got food down to it's basic sugar, fat and
> protein, we found out that those weren't sufficient for good health.


From what you're saying, the necessary stuff was removed.

On 6/7/2010 4:02 PM, GreenXenon wrote:
> On Jun 6, 10:17 pm, Dan Abel<da...@sonic.net> wrote:
>
>
>> The whole history of processing foods shows that as we take out the
>> unnecessary stuff, like bran, then we discover that we have removed
>> things that are necessary.
>
>
> In my case, the opposite would be done. Keep the bran, but remove the
> starches/sugars.
>
>
>> Lots of processing removed or destroyed
>> vitamins, but since we hadn't discovered them yet, we didn't miss them
>> until people started developing vitamin deficiencies.
>
>
> What if the processing does not remove/damage vitamins or other
> nutrients [as in the case of my hypothetical product]?
>
>
>> Once we removed
>> all the unnecessary stuff and got food down to it's basic sugar, fat and
>> protein, we found out that those weren't sufficient for good health.
>
>
> From what you're saying, the necessary stuff was removed.

But nobody at the time knew it was necessary. We don't know much now
either. A recent report suggests that foods made from white (i.e.,
processed) flour are words for your constitution than saturated fat
(which turns out to be not that bad after all.)

Your hypothetical product reminds me of your plan to record a CD's worth
of music in a fraction of a bit. Your faith in your understanding of how
things work is hardly justified.

Jerry
--
Engineering is the art of making what you want from things you can get.
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On 6/7/2010 4:15 PM, Jerry Avins wrote:

...

> either. A recent report suggests that foods made from white (i.e.,
> processed) flour are words for your constitution ...
worse

Jerry
--
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On Jun 7, 1:15*pm, Jerry Avins <j...@ieee.org> wrote:


> A recent report suggests that foods made from white (i.e.,
> processed) flour are words for your constitution


Huh?

On 6/7/2010 10:42 PM, GreenXenon wrote:
> On Jun 7, 1:15 pm, Jerry Avins<j...@ieee.org> wrote:
>
>
>> A recent report suggests that foods made from white (i.e.,
>> processed) flour are words for your constitution

Not words, worse. I corrected the typo at 4:26.

http://www.scientificamerican.com/ar...against-cardio

Jerry
--
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On Jun 7, 8:28*pm, Jerry Avins <j...@ieee.org> wrote:
> On 6/7/2010 10:42 PM, GreenXenon wrote:
>
> > On Jun 7, 1:15 pm, Jerry Avins<j...@ieee.org> *wrote:
>
> >> A recent report suggests that foods made from white (i.e.,
> >> processed) flour are words for your constitution
>
> Not words, worse. I corrected the typo at 4:26.
>
> http://www.scientificamerican.com/ar...against-cardio
>
> Jerry
> --
> Engineering is the art of making what you want from things you can get.


My hypothetical product has all the digestible-starches [i.e. "whites"
of the grains] removed.

On 6/8/2010 9:47 AM, GreenXenon wrote:
> On Jun 7, 8:28 pm, Jerry Avins<j...@ieee.org> wrote:
>> On 6/7/2010 10:42 PM, GreenXenon wrote:
>>
>>> On Jun 7, 1:15 pm, Jerry Avins<j...@ieee.org> wrote:
>>
>>>> A recent report suggests that foods made from white (i.e.,
>>>> processed) flour are words for your constitution
>>
>> Not words, worse. I corrected the typo at 4:26.
>>
>> http://www.scientificamerican.com/ar...against-cardio
>>
>> Jerry
>> --
>> Engineering is the art of making what you want from things you can get.
>
>
> My hypothetical product has all the digestible-starches [i.e. "whites"
> of the grains] removed.

And what else that you don't know about? Actually, what you don't know
isn't nearly as bad for you as the things you think you know but really
don't. You once thought you knew how to sample a signal, remember?

Jerry
--
Engineering is the art of making what you want from things you can get.
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On Jun 8, 7:05*am, Jerry Avins <j...@ieee.org> wrote:


> On 6/8/2010 9:47 AM, GreenXenon wrote:


>
>
>
> > On Jun 7, 8:28 pm, Jerry Avins<j...@ieee.org> *wrote:


> >> On 6/7/2010 10:42 PM, GreenXenon wrote:
>
> >>> On Jun 7, 1:15 pm, Jerry Avins<j...@ieee.org> * *wrote:


>
> >>>> A recent report suggests that foods made from white (i.e.,
> >>>> processed) flour are words for your constitution
>


> >> Not words, worse. I corrected the typo at 4:26.
>
> >>http://www.scientificamerican.com/ar...against-cardio
>
> >> Jerry
> >> --
> >> Engineering is the art of making what you want from things you can get..
>


> > My hypothetical product has all the digestible-starches [i.e. "whites"
> > of the grains] removed.
>


> And what else that you don't know about?


What if the removal process only removes the sugars, digestible
starches, saturated fats, and other substances [mentioned in the
welcome message of my group] not beneficial for health?


> You once thought you knew how to sample a signal, remember?


Yes.

On 6/8/2010 10:59 AM, GreenXenon wrote:
> On Jun 8, 7:05 am, Jerry Avins<j...@ieee.org> wrote:

...

>> And what else that you don't know about?
>
>
> What if the removal process only removes the sugars, digestible
> starches, saturated fats, and other substances [mentioned in the
> welcome message of my group] not beneficial for health?

Which digestible starches, for example, are beneficial and which are
not? Does an individual's genetic makeup matter, or is there a universal
prescription? Here's one last thing for you to think about: if the
"white" of wheat grains is removed, what is left? Whole wheat wouldn't
be whole without it.

Jerry
--
Engineering is the art of making what you want from things you can get.
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On Jun 8, 8:19*am, Jerry Avins <j...@ieee.org> wrote:


> Which digestible starches, for example, are beneficial and which are
> not?


No digestible starch is beneficial. All of them are just empty
calories.


> Does an individual's genetic makeup matter, or is there a universal
> prescription?


Usually the latter.


> if the
> "white" of wheat grains is removed, what is left?


The fiber.

In article
<[email protected]>,
GreenXenon <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Jun 8, 7:05*am, Jerry Avins <j...@ieee.org> wrote:
>
>
> > On 6/8/2010 9:47 AM, GreenXenon wrote:

> > > My hypothetical product has all the digestible-starches [i.e. "whites"
> > > of the grains] removed.
> >
>
>
> > And what else that you don't know about?
>
>
> What if the removal process only removes the sugars, digestible
> starches, saturated fats, and other substances [mentioned in the
> welcome message of my group] not beneficial for health?

There's an applicable saying for this:

"What if pigs could fly?"

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA
[email protected]