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    Steve B Guest

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    sold only in little pine needle shaped leaves? Can you buy it powdered or
    mashed? I looked, but didn't see it. I have an ulu with a cutting board
    made for it that has a depression in it matching the ulu. It works, but a
    lot goes flying.

    Is rosemary like bay leaf, intended to be cooked whole, then filtered out of
    the final dish?

    And IF I do crunch some up, and put it in the pork roast marinade (which I
    did tonight for tomorrow's meal), are the particles bitter, or do they
    dominate the taste?

    Tips on rosemary and its uses appreciated. No jokes about the real
    Rosemary, as I once dated her, and she was up for ANYTHING.

    Steve



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    Dan Abel Guest

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    In article <[email protected]>,
    "Steve B" <[email protected]> wrote:

    > sold only in little pine needle shaped leaves? Can you buy it powdered or
    > mashed? I looked, but didn't see it. I have an ulu with a cutting board
    > made for it that has a depression in it matching the ulu. It works, but a
    > lot goes flying.
    >
    > Is rosemary like bay leaf, intended to be cooked whole, then filtered out of
    > the final dish?
    >
    > And IF I do crunch some up, and put it in the pork roast marinade (which I
    > did tonight for tomorrow's meal), are the particles bitter, or do they
    > dominate the taste?
    >
    > Tips on rosemary and its uses appreciated. No jokes about the real
    > Rosemary, as I once dated her, and she was up for ANYTHING.


    I buy my rosemary from Penzeys:

    http://www.penzeys.com/cgi-bin/penze...srosemary.html

    I like to use the whole. The cracked is convenient when you don't want
    those big needles in the finished dish, although I am happy to eat them.
    Since the powdered doesn't keep that well, and I don't use it that
    often, I grind the needles, whole or cracked, in my mortar and pestle.
    They don't fly around if you are careful.

    --
    Dan Abel
    Petaluma, California USA
    [email protected]

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    Leonard Blaisdell Guest

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    In article <[email protected]>,
    "Steve B" <[email protected]> wrote:

    > Is rosemary like bay leaf, intended to be cooked whole, then filtered out of
    > the final dish?


    No. I eat it in rosemary potatoes quite frequently. Rosemary has a
    distinct piney but pleasant flavor. It's powerful, and a little goes a
    long way. I usually rub dried rosemary between my hands before using it.
    On the other hand, I wouldn't eat the sprig they serve as a garnish
    occasionally.
    And, my experience is limited. Garlic-rosemary potatoes is my main use
    for it. But I love those.

    leo

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    cybercat Guest

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    "Steve B" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    > sold only in little pine needle shaped leaves?


    Fresh Market sells it ground.



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    Doug Freyburger Guest

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    Steve B wrote:
    >
    > sold only in little pine needle shaped leaves? Can you buy it powdered or
    > mashed? I looked, but didn't see it. I have an ulu with a cutting board
    > made for it that has a depression in it matching the ulu. It works, but a
    > lot goes flying.


    If you dry out rosemary leaves they curl up and get nasty. They also
    lose their essential oil in addition to their water unless you know
    exactly how to dry them.

    And so I get them by the twig off the plant on the patio and hang the
    twig to dry. Then I mash the leaves just before use if I don't want the
    leaves intact.

    > Is rosemary like bay leaf, intended to be cooked whole, then filtered out of
    > the final dish?


    Nope. Rosemary leaves are delicious.

    > And IF I do crunch some up, and put it in the pork roast marinade (which I
    > did tonight for tomorrow's meal), are the particles bitter, or do they
    > dominate the taste?


    The oil tends to flow into the rest of the food making the particles
    relatively mild.

    > Tips on rosemary and its uses appreciated.


    It rules in baked goods,stews.

    If you live in southern California rosemary is planted on the sides of
    the freeways. The stuff grows like kudzu and occasionally they feed it
    wrecked cars as fertilizer. The stuff on the freeway side doesn't have
    much aroma so I figure it isn't as tastey as the stuff that grows int he
    yard. I don't know if that's because it is under watered or over
    polluted or wrecked cars are crappy fertilizer. ;^)

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    Arri London Guest

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    Steve B wrote:
    >
    > sold only in little pine needle shaped leaves? Can you buy it powdered or
    > mashed? I looked, but didn't see it. I have an ulu with a cutting board
    > made for it that has a depression in it matching the ulu. It works, but a
    > lot goes flying.


    It's sold in it's natural form LOL.

    Just put them in a cloth bag, cook your dish and remove the bag.
    >
    > Is rosemary like bay leaf, intended to be cooked whole, then filtered out of
    > the final dish?


    Personal preference really. Powdered herbs and spices are obviously
    subject to adulteration. Buying the whole needle rosemary (or whole
    peppercorns, nutmeg etc) is better. We just go out to the back garden
    and cut off a sprig of rosemary and strip the needles off that
    >
    > And IF I do crunch some up, and put it in the pork roast marinade (which I
    > did tonight for tomorrow's meal), are the particles bitter, or do they
    > dominate the taste?


    No need to break them up at all. They will release their flavour oils
    into the marinade. Just brush them off prior to roasting. They will
    dominate the taste only if too much was used.

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    Mark Thorson Guest

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    Steve B wrote:
    >
    > sold only in little pine needle shaped leaves? Can you buy it powdered or
    > mashed? I looked, but didn't see it. I have an ulu with a cutting board
    > made for it that has a depression in it matching the ulu. It works, but a
    > lot goes flying.


    If you know what the plant looks like, you can probably
    find some for free at a local park, library, school,
    or supermarket parking lot. It's commonly used as a
    hedge.

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    Virginia Tadrzynski Guest

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    "Jim Davis" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected] et...
    > Dan Abel wrote:
    >> In article <[email protected]>,
    >> "Steve B" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>
    >>> sold only in little pine needle shaped leaves? Can you buy it powdered
    >>> or mashed? I looked, but didn't see it. I have an ulu with a cutting
    >>> board made for it that has a depression in it matching the ulu. It
    >>> works, but a lot goes flying.
    >>>
    >>> Is rosemary like bay leaf, intended to be cooked whole, then filtered
    >>> out of the final dish?
    >>>
    >>> And IF I do crunch some up, and put it in the pork roast marinade (which
    >>> I did tonight for tomorrow's meal), are the particles bitter, or do they
    >>> dominate the taste?
    >>>
    >>> Tips on rosemary and its uses appreciated. No jokes about the real
    >>> Rosemary, as I once dated her, and she was up for ANYTHING.

    >>
    >> I buy my rosemary from Penzeys:
    >>
    >> http://www.penzeys.com/cgi-bin/penze...srosemary.html
    >>
    >> I like to use the whole. The cracked is convenient when you don't want
    >> those big needles in the finished dish, although I am happy to eat them.
    >> Since the powdered doesn't keep that well, and I don't use it that often,
    >> I grind the needles, whole or cracked, in my mortar and pestle. They
    >> don't fly around if you are careful.
    >>

    > I have a rosemary bush in my yard and often when I'm BBQing I'll throw a
    > branch of the rosemary on the fire. Adds some good smells and taste.


    Have you ever used rosemary branches for the skewers for shish-kabobing
    meat or seafood?
    -g



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    Bob Terwilliger Guest

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    Ginny wrote:

    > Have you ever used rosemary branches for the skewers for shish-kabobing
    > meat or seafood?


    They work very well for skewering chicken breasts. If you leave a bunch of
    leaves at the end, it looks decorative on the plate, too.

    Bob




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    --Bryan Guest

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    On Dec 25, 6:20*pm, Doug Freyburger <dfrey...@yahoo.com> wrote:
    > Steve B wrote:
    >
    > > sold only in little pine needle shaped leaves? *Can you buy it powdered or
    > > mashed? *I looked, but didn't see it. *I have an ulu with a cuttingboard
    > > made for it that has a depression in it matching the ulu. *It works, but a
    > > lot goes flying.

    >
    > If you dry out rosemary leaves they curl up and get nasty. *They also
    > lose their essential oil in addition to their water unless you know
    > exactly how to dry them.
    >


    Rosemary is so much better fresh. Of all the herbs I use, it's the
    one I don't even bother with buying dried.

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    sf Guest

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    On Fri, 25 Dec 2009 17:30:12 -0800, Mark Thorson <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    >Steve B wrote:
    >>
    >> sold only in little pine needle shaped leaves? Can you buy it powdered or
    >> mashed? I looked, but didn't see it. I have an ulu with a cutting board
    >> made for it that has a depression in it matching the ulu. It works, but a
    >> lot goes flying.

    >
    >If you know what the plant looks like, you can probably
    >find some for free at a local park, library, school,
    >or supermarket parking lot. It's commonly used as a
    >hedge.


    Around here, Mark. Steve B may live where cold and snow kills
    rosemary in the winter.

    --
    I love cooking with wine.
    Sometimes I even put it in the food.

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    Dave Smith Guest

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    sf wrote:

    >> If you know what the plant looks like, you can probably
    >> find some for free at a local park, library, school,
    >> or supermarket parking lot. It's commonly used as a
    >> hedge.

    >
    > Around here, Mark. Steve B may live where cold and snow kills
    > rosemary in the winter.



    Apparently it can withstand temperatures down to +10F. While most of
    our winter weather is above 10, it does occasionally drop down close to
    0, and occasionally even colder. I guess that explains why I have to
    plant it every year, but the plants are cheap enough and one is more
    than enough for my purposes. I like it in lamb and pork and a little
    rosemary is great on roasted potatoes.

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    The Cook Guest

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    On Sat, 26 Dec 2009 11:16:47 -0800, sf <[email protected]> wrote:

    >On Fri, 25 Dec 2009 17:30:12 -0800, Mark Thorson <[email protected]>
    >wrote:
    >
    >>Steve B wrote:
    >>>
    >>> sold only in little pine needle shaped leaves? Can you buy it powdered or
    >>> mashed? I looked, but didn't see it. I have an ulu with a cutting board
    >>> made for it that has a depression in it matching the ulu. It works, but a
    >>> lot goes flying.

    >>
    >>If you know what the plant looks like, you can probably
    >>find some for free at a local park, library, school,
    >>or supermarket parking lot. It's commonly used as a
    >>hedge.

    >
    >Around here, Mark. Steve B may live where cold and snow kills
    >rosemary in the winter.


    Mine is looking just fine after 8" of snow last week, some of which is
    still on the ground and below freezing every night since the snow. I
    have 2 good sized ones. One is 4' plus planted next to a fence and
    the other is about 2 feet and in a planter. The taller one was about
    6" and scrawny when I set it out 5 years ago. The other was in a 3"
    pot I bought at the farmers market a year later. They are pretty
    hearty.
    --
    Susan N.

    "Moral indignation is in most cases two percent moral,
    48 percent indignation, and 50 percent envy."
    Vittorio De Sica, Italian movie director (1901-1974)

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    brooklyn1 Guest

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    On Sat, 26 Dec 2009 11:16:47 -0800, sf <[email protected]> wrote:

    >On Fri, 25 Dec 2009 17:30:12 -0800, Mark Thorson <[email protected]>
    >wrote:
    >
    >>Steve B wrote:
    >>>
    >>> sold only in little pine needle shaped leaves? Can you buy it powdered or
    >>> mashed? I looked, but didn't see it. I have an ulu with a cutting board
    >>> made for it that has a depression in it matching the ulu. It works, but a
    >>> lot goes flying.

    >>
    >>If you know what the plant looks like, you can probably
    >>find some for free at a local park, library, school,
    >>or supermarket parking lot. It's commonly used as a
    >>hedge.

    >
    >Around here, Mark. Steve B may live where cold and snow kills
    >rosemary in the winter.


    Rosemary won't survive NY winters. But I despise the flavor rosemary
    adds to food... may as well use spruce tree. Rosemary would work
    better as Glade terlit deodorizer.



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    brooklyn1 Guest

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    On Sat, 26 Dec 2009 14:41:15 -0500, The Cook <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    >On Sat, 26 Dec 2009 11:16:47 -0800, sf <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >>On Fri, 25 Dec 2009 17:30:12 -0800, Mark Thorson <[email protected]>
    >>wrote:
    >>
    >>>Steve B wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>> sold only in little pine needle shaped leaves? Can you buy it powdered or
    >>>> mashed? I looked, but didn't see it. I have an ulu with a cutting board
    >>>> made for it that has a depression in it matching the ulu. It works, but a
    >>>> lot goes flying.
    >>>
    >>>If you know what the plant looks like, you can probably
    >>>find some for free at a local park, library, school,
    >>>or supermarket parking lot. It's commonly used as a
    >>>hedge.

    >>
    >>Around here, Mark. Steve B may live where cold and snow kills
    >>rosemary in the winter.

    >
    >Mine is looking just fine after 8" of snow last week,


    That snow means nothing to rosemary plants depending where you live
    and what temperature are you talking... there was lots of snow in the
    Caroliners last week. Rosemary will survive an occasional cold snap
    but not a prolonged hard freeze. I've tried planting rosemary as an
    ornamental shrub, but even on Lung Guyland it won't survive the
    relatively mild winters. Here in the Catskills there are long spells
    of temperatures below zero, almost always a few weeks of a steady
    -20F. Anyway, if I wanted my food to taste like Pinesol I have
    thousands of Norway spruce... one of the few plants deer won't eat and
    they devour most any greenery. And I'll drink any rot gut booze but
    not retsina, that's no different from rosemary. I don't cook with
    mint either, when I want mint I brush my teeth... I don't like creme
    de menthe either. Actually for the past few years I've been using
    Tom's of Maine toothpaste, fennel flavor is excellent.



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    sf Guest

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    On Sat, 26 Dec 2009 14:41:15 -0500, The Cook <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    >
    >Mine is looking just fine after 8" of snow last week, some of which is
    >still on the ground and below freezing every night since the snow. I
    >have 2 good sized ones. One is 4' plus planted next to a fence and
    >the other is about 2 feet and in a planter. The taller one was about
    >6" and scrawny when I set it out 5 years ago. The other was in a 3"
    >pot I bought at the farmers market a year later. They are pretty
    >hearty.


    In that case, I wonder why people talk about how they can't grow
    rosemary due to winter weather or how they keep it in a pot so they
    can take it in during the winter? <shrug> Rosemary is very hearty
    where I live, but we don't go much below 40 very often in the worst
    of cold snaps.

    --
    I love cooking with wine.
    Sometimes I even put it in the food.

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    cshenk Guest

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    "sf" wrote
    > The Cook wrote:


    >>Mine is looking just fine after 8" of snow last week, some of which is
    >>still on the ground and below freezing every night since the snow. I
    >>have 2 good sized ones. One is 4' plus planted next to a fence and


    > In that case, I wonder why people talk about how they can't grow
    > rosemary due to winter weather or how they keep it in a pot so they
    > can take it in during the winter? <shrug> Rosemary is very hearty
    > where I live, but we don't go much below 40 very often in the worst
    > of cold snaps.


    Depends on location. Here, you can grow hedges with it. Pots are really
    too small to work with. Lavender, same thing.

    Prolonged cold will kill them, but we live below that belt. Even with
    regular 'hair cuts' my lavender and rosemary plants are over 3ft.


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    brooklyn1 Guest

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    On Sat, 26 Dec 2009 13:09:14 -0800, sf <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >>hearty.

    >
    >I wonder why people talk about how they can't grow
    >rosemary due to winter weather or how they keep it in a pot so they
    >can take it in during the winter? <shrug> Rosemary is very hearty
    >where I live, but we don't go much below 40 very often in the worst
    >of cold snaps.


    Many people live where temperatures rarely go above freezing all
    winter. Where I live the mercury has been between 0F and 25F for
    the past six weeks until today that I'm experiencing a virtual
    heatwave, 34F and it's raining... but that won't last long. I
    probably won't see 40F here until like mid April. And the word you
    want is *hardy*, not "hearty".

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    Steve B Guest

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    "sf" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]..
    > On Fri, 25 Dec 2009 17:30:12 -0800, Mark Thorson <[email protected]>
    > wrote:
    >
    >>Steve B wrote:
    >>>
    >>> sold only in little pine needle shaped leaves? Can you buy it powdered
    >>> or
    >>> mashed? I looked, but didn't see it. I have an ulu with a cutting
    >>> board
    >>> made for it that has a depression in it matching the ulu. It works, but
    >>> a
    >>> lot goes flying.

    >>
    >>If you know what the plant looks like, you can probably
    >>find some for free at a local park, library, school,
    >>or supermarket parking lot. It's commonly used as a
    >>hedge.

    >
    > Around here, Mark. Steve B may live where cold and snow kills
    > rosemary in the winter.
    >
    > --
    > I love cooking with wine.
    > Sometimes I even put it in the food.


    We have it around here, I just didn't know it was the same food grade.

    Steve



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    sf Guest

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    On Sat, 26 Dec 2009 15:23:25 -0800, "Steve B"
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    >We have it around here, I just didn't know it was the same food grade.


    Food grade rosemary? Well, I wouldn't eat the stuff that grows by a
    freeway or if there's a chance dogs have peed on it...

    --
    I love cooking with wine.
    Sometimes I even put it in the food.

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