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  1. #1
    Andy Guest

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    Mark,

    I don't know what it's for but with so little fuel (it appears), whatever
    it does, it's got to be a fairly quick process. Who would want to hand
    crank that thing for even five minutes?

    I'd love to own that piece as well! I collect copper bric a brac. It
    would look great with all the rest.

    I was tempted to bid on it but didn't want to chance getting in a bidding
    war with you.

    It will surely sell for more than the current bid of $43.

    Best,

    Andy

  2. #2
    Mark Thorson Guest

    Default What's This Machine For ???

    Obviously NOT a coffee roaster. That tiny burner
    couldn't roast coffee by a long shot.

    http://cgi.ebay.com/190547712614

    It's so pretty that it looks like it would be used
    at the table. With a diameter of only 6 inches,
    it sure isn't roasting much of whatever it is.
    Only maybe a serving or two. But servings of what?

    Hurry up and tell me! I've only got a couple of
    days to decide whether or not it's something I can't
    live without!

  3. #3
    Paul M. Cook Guest

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    "Mark Thorson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]..
    > Obviously NOT a coffee roaster. That tiny burner
    > couldn't roast coffee by a long shot.
    >
    > http://cgi.ebay.com/190547712614
    >
    > It's so pretty that it looks like it would be used
    > at the table. With a diameter of only 6 inches,
    > it sure isn't roasting much of whatever it is.
    > Only maybe a serving or two. But servings of what?
    >
    > Hurry up and tell me! I've only got a couple of
    > days to decide whether or not it's something I can't
    > live without!


    It actually is what it says it is. They were made as "vintage style" and
    sold by Williams Sonoma. Impractical as they are they would work. Looking
    at the patina on the copper you can see it has been treated against
    oxidation. It is just too perfect to be anything but a modern construction.
    It was made for display and not so much for actual use.

    Paul



  4. #4
    Mark Thorson Guest

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    Andy wrote:
    >
    > I don't know what it's for but with so little fuel (it appears), whatever
    > it does, it's got to be a fairly quick process. Who would want to hand
    > crank that thing for even five minutes?


    If it's a low flame, it might go for hours.
    I don't see a wick or a wick adjustment knob,
    so it's not clear to me how the burner works.

    Hand-cranked coffee roasters are not uncommon,
    and they take at least 10-15 minutes per batch.

    > I'd love to own that piece as well! I collect copper bric a brac. It
    > would look great with all the rest.
    >
    > I was tempted to bid on it but didn't want to chance getting in a bidding
    > war with you.


    I'm leaning against bidding at the moment. Unless
    I get some new information that turns it into a
    must-have in the 24 hours, I won't be bidding.
    >
    > It will surely sell for more than the current bid of $43.


    Agreed, but without knowing what it's for, I'm not
    willing to pay very much. If it turns out to be
    something really special like a XXXXXXXXXX roaster,
    though, I'd make a strong bid.

    (Hey, I think I just figured out what it is!)

  5. #5
    Ross@home Guest

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    On Sun, 26 Jun 2011 11:46:40 -0800, Mark Thorson <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    >Obviously NOT a coffee roaster. That tiny burner
    >couldn't roast coffee by a long shot.
    >
    >http://cgi.ebay.com/190547712614
    >
    >It's so pretty that it looks like it would be used
    >at the table. With a diameter of only 6 inches,
    >it sure isn't roasting much of whatever it is.
    >Only maybe a serving or two. But servings of what?
    >
    >Hurry up and tell me! I've only got a couple of
    >days to decide whether or not it's something I can't
    >live without!


    Check out Sweet Maria's
    http://www.sweetmarias.com/Roasters-SweetMarias.php

    Ross.

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    pavane Guest

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    <Ross@home> wrote in message news:6n6h07dn1rtu7a38p19tc2pnpqtmf6k[email protected]..
    | On Sun, 26 Jun 2011 11:46:40 -0800, Mark Thorson <[email protected]>
    | wrote:
    |
    | >Obviously NOT a coffee roaster. That tiny burner
    | >couldn't roast coffee by a long shot.
    | >
    | >http://cgi.ebay.com/190547712614
    | >
    | >It's so pretty that it looks like it would be used
    | >at the table. With a diameter of only 6 inches,
    | >it sure isn't roasting much of whatever it is.
    | >Only maybe a serving or two. But servings of what?
    | >
    | >Hurry up and tell me! I've only got a couple of
    | >days to decide whether or not it's something I can't
    | >live without!
    |
    | Check out Sweet Maria's
    | http://www.sweetmarias.com/Roasters-SweetMarias.php
    |
    | Ross.

    Good job! I searched almost all over the Internet and
    couldn't find the thing.

    pavane



  7. #7
    Dave Smith Guest

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    On 26/06/2011 3:46 PM, Mark Thorson wrote:
    > Obviously NOT a coffee roaster. That tiny burner
    > couldn't roast coffee by a long shot.
    >
    > http://cgi.ebay.com/190547712614
    >
    > It's so pretty that it looks like it would be used
    > at the table. With a diameter of only 6 inches,
    > it sure isn't roasting much of whatever it is.
    > Only maybe a serving or two. But servings of what?
    >
    > Hurry up and tell me! I've only got a couple of
    > days to decide whether or not it's something I can't
    > live without!



    I am sure that you can live with something when you don't even know what
    it is.

  8. #8
    Andy Guest

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    Mark Thorson <[email protected]> wrote:

    > Obviously NOT a coffee roaster. That tiny burner
    > couldn't roast coffee by a long shot.
    >
    > http://cgi.ebay.com/190547712614
    >
    > It's so pretty that it looks like it would be used
    > at the table. With a diameter of only 6 inches,
    > it sure isn't roasting much of whatever it is.
    > Only maybe a serving or two. But servings of what?
    >
    > Hurry up and tell me! I've only got a couple of
    > days to decide whether or not it's something I can't
    > live without!



    Mark,

    The seller is in Haddonfield, NJ. An hour away.

    Ross's url link also showed the same (or close) piece but no price was
    listed. That would've been good ammo but it was clearly stated it wasn't
    his piece.

    No mention if it was entirely solid copper or copper/tin galvanized.

    I'm not going to bid.

    Best,

    Andy

  9. #9
    Mark Thorson Guest

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    Ross@home wrote:
    >
    > Check out Sweet Maria's
    > http://www.sweetmarias.com/Roasters-SweetMarias.php


    Huh! Somebody who ought to know thinks it's
    a coffee roaster. I still don't see how such
    a tiny burner could roast coffee. You really
    need a lot of heat to get a good roast, otherwise
    you're just baking the beans.

  10. #10
    notbob Guest

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    On 2011-06-27, Mark Thorson <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    > Huh! Somebody who ought to know thinks it's
    > a coffee roaster. I still don't see how such
    > a tiny burner could roast coffee. You really
    > need a lot of heat to get a good roast, otherwise
    > you're just baking the beans.


    So you, who have NOT been in the coffee roasting business EVER!, is
    disputing someone that has been in it fer years. Is that what you
    would have us believe?

    nb


  11. #11
    pavane Guest

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    "Mark Thorson" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]..
    | Ross@home wrote:
    | >
    | > Check out Sweet Maria's
    | > http://www.sweetmarias.com/Roasters-SweetMarias.php
    |
    | Huh! Somebody who ought to know thinks it's
    | a coffee roaster. I still don't see how such
    | a tiny burner could roast coffee. You really
    | need a lot of heat to get a good roast, otherwise
    | you're just baking the beans.

    It only looks tiny. The ball is 6" across, which is pretty
    sizeable, would hold a fair amount of coffee beans or,
    more likely, chestnuts. As Sheldon might say, at least
    a DD cup. Yeah, I'm sorry I mentioned it.

    pavane



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    pavane Guest

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    "Mark Thorson" <nospa[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]..
    | Ross@home wrote:
    | >
    | > Check out Sweet Maria's
    | > http://www.sweetmarias.com/Roasters-SweetMarias.php
    |
    | Huh! Somebody who ought to know thinks it's
    | a coffee roaster. I still don't see how such
    | a tiny burner could roast coffee. You really
    | need a lot of heat to get a good roast, otherwise
    | you're just baking the beans.

    It only looks tiny. The ball is 6" across, which is pretty
    sizeable, would hold a fair amount of coffee beans or,
    more likely, chestnuts. As Sheldon might say, at least
    a DD cup. Yeah, I'm sorry I mentioned it.

    pavane




  13. #13
    Boron Elgar Guest

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    On Tue, 28 Jun 2011 12:21:20 -0800, Mark Thorson <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    >notbob wrote:
    >>
    >> On 2011-06-27, Mark Thorson <[email protected]> wrote:
    >> >
    >> > Huh! Somebody who ought to know thinks it's
    >> > a coffee roaster. I still don't see how such
    >> > a tiny burner could roast coffee. You really
    >> > need a lot of heat to get a good roast, otherwise
    >> > you're just baking the beans.

    >>
    >> So you, who have NOT been in the coffee roasting business EVER!, is
    >> disputing someone that has been in it fer years. Is that what you
    >> would have us believe?

    >
    >I've roasted hundreds of batches of coffee. I know
    >how much heat it takes. A little alcohol burner
    >isn't going to do it. The web pages on sweetmarias.com
    >only shows the side of the fuel tank and the air inlets,
    >not the burner head, and the caption says that the roaster
    >is not his. If he never saw the roaster except for the
    >picture, he might not know how small the burner is.



    It was that small alcohol burner that led me to the perhaps mistaken
    conclusion that it was not a coffee roaster.

    Nevertheless, judging from this web page, too, it seems to be one.

    http://www.sreweb.com/antique_roaste...s/DSC00261.htm


    The one show on the Sweet Marias site looks as if it were a chopped
    off part of a samovar.

    Boron


  14. #14
    Andy Guest

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    Mark Thorson <[email protected]> wrote:

    > Andy wrote:
    >>
    >> I'm not going to bid.

    >
    > Go ahead if you like. I've decided not to bid.
    > I briefly considered the possibility it is
    > a cacao bean roaster. The burner size and
    > ball capacity are consistent with roasting
    > a small batch of cacao beans to make a few
    > mugs of a chocolate beverage. Cacao beans need
    > a low, gentle heat because they scorch easily.
    >
    > If I was sure that's what it is, I'd make a
    > strong bid, but I'm not very confident in that
    > diagnosis. Also, I've made roasted cacao and
    > I'm not a big fan of it. (Although maybe I just
    > didn't do a good job, because I've heard raves
    > about fresh roasted cacao.)



    Mark,

    I didn't bid either.

    That's the interesting kind of thing you'd want to hold in your hand,
    first.

    Perhaps another time.

    Thanks for the FYI. Fun!

    Best,

    Andy

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    notbob Guest

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    On 2011-06-28, Mark Thorson <[email protected]> wrote:

    > I've roasted hundreds of batches of coffee. I know
    > how much heat it takes. A little alcohol burner
    > isn't going to do it.


    What you don't know is how thick that copper sphere is, what type of
    burner/mantle design is used, what type of alcohol is used, or how
    long it takes to come up to usable heat. Apparently, you also appear
    unaware of what temperatures a simple alcohol lamp can acheive. Also,
    size means nothing. Ancient Arabs roasted just a couple ounces of
    beans in a small metal ladle. You also don't know if the actual owner
    of the roaster on SM's website has ever actually used it and you don't
    know the size of the burner. In short, what you don't know is HUGE
    compared to what you really do know, which is nothing at all.

    nb



  16. #16
    Mark Thorson Guest

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    notbob wrote:
    >
    > On 2011-06-27, Mark Thorson <[email protected]> wrote:
    > >
    > > Huh! Somebody who ought to know thinks it's
    > > a coffee roaster. I still don't see how such
    > > a tiny burner could roast coffee. You really
    > > need a lot of heat to get a good roast, otherwise
    > > you're just baking the beans.

    >
    > So you, who have NOT been in the coffee roasting business EVER!, is
    > disputing someone that has been in it fer years. Is that what you
    > would have us believe?


    I've roasted hundreds of batches of coffee. I know
    how much heat it takes. A little alcohol burner
    isn't going to do it. The web pages on sweetmarias.com
    only shows the side of the fuel tank and the air inlets,
    not the burner head, and the caption says that the roaster
    is not his. If he never saw the roaster except for the
    picture, he might not know how small the burner is.

  17. #17
    notbob Guest

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    On 2011-06-28, Boron Elgar <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    > It was that small alcohol burner that led me to the perhaps mistaken
    > conclusion that it was not a coffee roaster.
    >
    > Nevertheless, judging from this web page, too, it seems to be one.
    >
    > http://www.sreweb.com/antique_roaste...s/DSC00261.htm


    Yes, but Mark knows everything and his knowledge in infallible. Jes
    ask him and he'll tell you.

    "In the 19th century, spirit lamps, Pigeon lamps and others used a
    variety of blends of alcohol and oils in Europe. Alcohol powered not
    only automobiles and farm machinery but also a wide variety of lamps,
    stoves, heaters, laundry irons, hair curlers, coffee roasters and
    every conceivable household appliance."

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_alcohol_fuel


    nb

  18. #18
    Mark Thorson Guest

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    pavane wrote:
    >
    > It only looks tiny. The ball is 6" across, which is pretty
    > sizeable, would hold a fair amount of coffee beans or,
    > more likely, chestnuts. As Sheldon might say, at least
    > a DD cup. Yeah, I'm sorry I mentioned it.


    6 inches is small. It would be large is you could
    pack it full, but for roasting purposes you can't.
    At most, maybe 1/3 full. That's only enough coffee
    for one or two pots.

  19. #19
    Mark Thorson Guest

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    Andy wrote:
    >
    > I'm not going to bid.


    Go ahead if you like. I've decided not to bid.
    I briefly considered the possibility it is
    a cacao bean roaster. The burner size and
    ball capacity are consistent with roasting
    a small batch of cacao beans to make a few
    mugs of a chocolate beverage. Cacao beans need
    a low, gentle heat because they scorch easily.

    If I was sure that's what it is, I'd make a
    strong bid, but I'm not very confident in that
    diagnosis. Also, I've made roasted cacao and
    I'm not a big fan of it. (Although maybe I just
    didn't do a good job, because I've heard raves
    about fresh roasted cacao.)

  20. #20
    James Post Guest

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    On 28 Jun 2011 20:10:16 GMT, notbob <[email protected]> wrote:

    >What you don't know is how thick that copper sphere is, what type of
    >burner/mantle design is used, what type of alcohol is used, or how
    >long it takes to come up to usable heat. Apparently, you also appear
    >unaware of what temperatures a simple alcohol lamp can acheive. Also,
    >size means nothing. Ancient Arabs roasted just a couple ounces of
    >beans in a small metal ladle. You also don't know if the actual owner
    >of the roaster on SM's website has ever actually used it and you don't
    >know the size of the burner. In short, what you don't know is HUGE
    >compared to what you really do know, which is nothing at all.
    >
    >nb


    DAMN! ^^^^^^ What he said! ^^^^^^^

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