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  1. #1
    Sqwertz Guest

    Default What Happened to Canned Hams?

    Not the shelf-stable hams, but the canned, refrigerated hams. There
    used to be a couple good brands around - usually in 4-5lb teardrop or
    square cans. Now all I see are the canned shelf-stable hams that
    resemble SPAM. The last one I inherited, DAK "Premium" brand, was
    WORSE than SPAM - not even Sheldon's cats would eat it.

    Do they still sell these around the US or has Cry-O-Vac and the like
    pretty much made them extinct? Shelf life was 6-9 months, which is
    still longer than cryovac, but the cost of canning may not have been
    worth the extra 4-6 months.

    -sw

  2. #2
    Brooklyn1 Guest

    Default Re: What Happened to Canned Hams?

    On Tue, 23 Oct 2012 15:30:55 -0500, Sqwertz <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    >Not the shelf-stable hams, but the canned, refrigerated hams. There
    >used to be a couple good brands around - usually in 4-5lb teardrop or
    >square cans. Now all I see are the canned shelf-stable hams that
    >resemble SPAM. The last one I inherited, DAK "Premium" brand, was
    >WORSE than SPAM - not even Sheldon's cats would eat it.
    >
    >Do they still sell these around the US or has Cry-O-Vac and the like
    >pretty much made them extinct? Shelf life was 6-9 months, which is
    >still longer than cryovac, but the cost of canning may not have been
    >worth the extra 4-6 months.


    My little market in town has 3 lb Hormel hams all the time, at holiday
    time they carry 5 pounders... you can always go to Wally's.

    http://www.samsclub.com/sams/hormel-...-lbs/164316.ip
    http://www.walmart.com/ip/Hormel-Bla...-3-lb/10290954

  3. #3
    Julie Bove Guest

    Default Re: What Happened to Canned Hams?


    "Sqwertz" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]..
    > Not the shelf-stable hams, but the canned, refrigerated hams. There
    > used to be a couple good brands around - usually in 4-5lb teardrop or
    > square cans. Now all I see are the canned shelf-stable hams that
    > resemble SPAM. The last one I inherited, DAK "Premium" brand, was
    > WORSE than SPAM - not even Sheldon's cats would eat it.
    >
    > Do they still sell these around the US or has Cry-O-Vac and the like
    > pretty much made them extinct? Shelf life was 6-9 months, which is
    > still longer than cryovac, but the cost of canning may not have been
    > worth the extra 4-6 months.
    >
    > -sw


    Winco sells them. Don't know the brand.



  4. #4
    Brooklyn1 Guest

    Default Re: What Happened to Canned Hams?

    On Tue, 23 Oct 2012 14:34:12 -0700, "Julie Bove"
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    >
    >"Sqwertz" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >news:[email protected]..
    >> Not the shelf-stable hams, but the canned, refrigerated hams. There
    >> used to be a couple good brands around - usually in 4-5lb teardrop or
    >> square cans. Now all I see are the canned shelf-stable hams that
    >> resemble SPAM. The last one I inherited, DAK "Premium" brand, was
    >> WORSE than SPAM - not even Sheldon's cats would eat it.
    >>
    >> Do they still sell these around the US or has Cry-O-Vac and the like
    >> pretty much made them extinct? Shelf life was 6-9 months, which is
    >> still longer than cryovac, but the cost of canning may not have been
    >> worth the extra 4-6 months.
    >>
    >> -sw

    >
    >Winco sells them. Don't know the brand.


    Most every stupidmarket sells Hormel canned hams:
    http://www.shoprite.com/pd/Hormel-Bl.../037600309967/

  5. #5
    Christopher Helms Guest

    Default Re: What Happened to Canned Hams?

    On Oct 23, 3:30*pm, Sqwertz <swe...@cluemail.compost> wrote:
    > Not the shelf-stable hams, but the canned, refrigerated hams. *There
    > used to be a couple good brands around - usually in 4-5lb teardrop or
    > square cans. *Now all I see are the canned shelf-stable hams that
    > resemble SPAM. *The last one I inherited, DAK "Premium" brand, was
    > WORSE than SPAM - not even Sheldon's cats would eat it.
    >
    > Do they still sell these around the US or has Cry-O-Vac and the like
    > pretty much made them extinct? *Shelf life was 6-9 months, which is
    > still longer than cryovac, but the cost of canning may not have been
    > worth the extra 4-6 months.
    >
    > -sw



    Back in the day, there were half a dozen different brands of canned
    ham, available all the time. Last time I was in the store there was
    one brand. Canned hams seem to be going to way of lamb cuts in the
    meat case. They're still there, but not like they used to be.

  6. #6
    Brooklyn1 Guest

    Default Re: What Happened to Canned Hams?

    On Tue, 23 Oct 2012 15:01:32 -0700 (PDT), Christopher Helms
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    >On Oct 23, 3:30*pm, Sqwertz <swe...@cluemail.compost> wrote:
    >> Not the shelf-stable hams, but the canned, refrigerated hams. *There
    >> used to be a couple good brands around - usually in 4-5lb teardrop or
    >> square cans. *Now all I see are the canned shelf-stable hams that
    >> resemble SPAM. *The last one I inherited, DAK "Premium" brand, was
    >> WORSE than SPAM - not even Sheldon's cats would eat it.
    >>
    >> Do they still sell these around the US or has Cry-O-Vac and the like
    >> pretty much made them extinct? *Shelf life was 6-9 months, which is
    >> still longer than cryovac, but the cost of canning may not have been
    >> worth the extra 4-6 months.
    >>
    >> -sw

    >
    >
    >Back in the day, there were half a dozen different brands of canned
    >ham, available all the time. Last time I was in the store there was
    >one brand. Canned hams seem to be going to way of lamb cuts in the
    >meat case. They're still there, but not like they used to be.


    Nonsense, Hormel sells canned hams by the millions... there are
    several other brands as well.

  7. #7
    gloria p Guest

    Default Re: What Happened to Canned Hams?

    On 10/23/2012 3:31 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
    > On Tue, 23 Oct 2012 15:30:55 -0500, Sqwertz <[email protected]>
    > wrote:
    >
    >> Not the shelf-stable hams, but the canned, refrigerated hams. There
    >> used to be a couple good brands around - usually in 4-5lb teardrop or
    >> square cans. Now all I see are the canned shelf-stable hams that
    >> resemble SPAM. The last one I inherited, DAK "Premium" brand, was
    >> WORSE than SPAM -



    There used to be two primary brands of canned ham from Poland, Krakus
    and Atalanta, (yes, that's spelled correctly) and they were very, very
    good. I haven't seen them in many years. I don't know where DAK comes
    from now, but it used to be from Denmark and was not nearly as good as
    the others.

    gloria p


  8. #8
    z z Guest

    Default Re: What Happened to Canned Hams?

    Nostalgia-Dad would come home from work the last day before the holiday
    with the gift box from his employer. It always had a large canned ham,
    plus fruits and candies and nuts in it. It would smell of the fresh cold
    outdoors and always signified the start of the holiday for us kids.
    Quite a shock to grow up and work in today's workplace lol


  9. #9
    spamtrap1888 Guest

    Default Re: What Happened to Canned Hams?

    On Oct 23, 7:41*pm, gloria p <gpues...@comcast.net> wrote:
    > On 10/23/2012 3:31 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
    >
    > > On Tue, 23 Oct 2012 15:30:55 -0500, Sqwertz <swe...@cluemail.compost>
    > > wrote:

    >
    > >> Not the shelf-stable hams, but the canned, refrigerated hams. *There
    > >> used to be a couple good brands around - usually in 4-5lb teardrop or
    > >> square cans. *Now all I see are the canned shelf-stable hams that
    > >> resemble SPAM. *The last one I inherited, DAK "Premium" brand, was
    > >> WORSE than SPAM -

    >
    > There used to be two primary brands of canned ham from Poland, Krakus
    > and Atalanta, (yes, that's spelled correctly) and they were very, very
    > good. *I haven't seen them in many years. *I don't know where DAK comes
    > from now, but it used to be from Denmark and was not nearly as good as
    > the others.
    >


    Brokelyn's answer holds good: ShopRite.

    http://www.shoprite.com/pd/Krakus/Po.../076261000516/

  10. #10
    Sqwertz Guest

    Default Re: What Happened to Canned Hams?

    On Tue, 23 Oct 2012 20:41:17 -0600, gloria p wrote:

    > On 10/23/2012 3:31 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
    >> On Tue, 23 Oct 2012 15:30:55 -0500, Sqwertz <[email protected]>
    >> wrote:
    >>
    >>> Not the shelf-stable hams, but the canned, refrigerated hams. There
    >>> used to be a couple good brands around - usually in 4-5lb teardrop or
    >>> square cans. Now all I see are the canned shelf-stable hams that
    >>> resemble SPAM. The last one I inherited, DAK "Premium" brand, was
    >>> WORSE than SPAM -

    >
    > There used to be two primary brands of canned ham from Poland, Krakus
    > and Atalanta, (yes, that's spelled correctly) and they were very, very
    > good. I haven't seen them in many years. I don't know where DAK comes
    > from now, but it used to be from Denmark and was not nearly as good as
    > the others.


    DAK used to have very good refrigerated Danish deli ham back in the
    80's - sold in plastic in 1-lb packages. Haven't seen it for decades.

    And then Dubuque(sp) had really good refrigerated canned hams, but it
    looks like Whoremel, and finally Smithfield hammered the last nails
    into their coffin.

    I couldn't remember the name of the company when I first posted it,
    but that the ham I remember from the 80's and 90's: Dubuque.

    I don't think Denmark would bother exporting that canned DAK **** all
    the way from Denmark. That can I used a couple months ago was horrid
    stuff. It was more like ground ham and resembled dog food. Which
    describes SPAM, I know - but this stuff tasted bad, too. Looks like
    Plumrose makes the DAK canned ham.

    Speaking of canned meat, I was surprised that Whoremel (Hormel) Canned
    Corned Beef was quite edible. I made a couple Reubens with it. Nice
    texture and not overly salty. 3 rungs up from SPAM on the canned meat
    ladder.

    -sw

  11. #11
    Sqwertz Guest

    Default Re: What Happened to Canned Hams?

    On Tue, 23 Oct 2012 21:56:48 -0700 (PDT), spamtrap1888 wrote:

    > Brokelyn's answer holds good: ShopRite.
    >
    > http://www.shoprite.com/pd/Krakus/Po.../076261000516/


    I have never seen this brand. Looks like it mainly an Eastern thing:

    http://krakusfoods.com/pages/stores

    And even then the coverage seems to be mostly limited to their
    cryrovac deli ham - slice to order. Comes in 7lb chubs rather than
    5lb cans.

    -sw

  12. #12
    jmcquown Guest

    Default Re: What Happened to Canned Hams?

    "z z" wrote in message
    news:[email protected]..

    Nostalgia-Dad would come home from work the last day before the holiday
    with the gift box from his employer. It always had a large canned ham,
    plus fruits and candies and nuts in it. It would smell of the fresh cold
    outdoors and always signified the start of the holiday for us kids.
    Quite a shock to grow up and work in today's workplace lol

    ************
    Perhaps "today" people aren't living high on the hog (heh) and employers
    can't afford to give away ham A company I worked for in the mid 1980's
    gave everyone a spiral sliced ham (not canned ham) or a turkey just before
    the holidays. Yes, it's nostalgic.

    Jill


  13. #13
    George Guest

    Default Re: What Happened to Canned Hams?

    On 10/24/2012 1:32 AM, Sqwertz wrote:
    > On Tue, 23 Oct 2012 21:56:48 -0700 (PDT), spamtrap1888 wrote:
    >
    >> Brokelyn's answer holds good: ShopRite.
    >>
    >> http://www.shoprite.com/pd/Krakus/Po.../076261000516/

    >
    > I have never seen this brand. Looks like it mainly an Eastern thing:
    >
    > http://krakusfoods.com/pages/stores
    >
    > And even then the coverage seems to be mostly limited to their
    > cryrovac deli ham - slice to order. Comes in 7lb chubs rather than
    > 5lb cans.
    >
    > -sw
    >


    A number of places around here stock Krakus real canned ham such as this:

    http://www.ckffoods.com/k2.html

  14. #14
    George Guest

    Default Re: What Happened to Canned Hams?

    On 10/23/2012 11:03 PM, z z wrote:
    > Nostalgia-Dad would come home from work the last day before the holiday
    > with the gift box from his employer. It always had a large canned ham,
    > plus fruits and candies and nuts in it. It would smell of the fresh cold
    > outdoors and always signified the start of the holiday for us kids.
    > Quite a shock to grow up and work in today's workplace lol
    >


    Walmart proved that all most people care about is really cheap stuff no
    matter what. That thinking ripples through the economy.

    I remember the first really responsible job I had. I could negotiate
    with others but the owners business philosophy was "the other guy has to
    eat too". In other words don't be what walmart is today beating their
    suppliers into submission and often making them go offshore.

  15. #15
    Brooklyn1 Guest

    Default Re: What Happened to Canned Hams?

    On Wed, 24 Oct 2012 00:03:51 -0500, Sqwertz <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    >On Tue, 23 Oct 2012 20:41:17 -0600, gloria p wrote:
    >
    >> On 10/23/2012 3:31 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
    >>> On Tue, 23 Oct 2012 15:30:55 -0500, Sqwertz <[email protected]>
    >>> wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> Not the shelf-stable hams, but the canned, refrigerated hams. There
    >>>> used to be a couple good brands around - usually in 4-5lb teardrop or
    >>>> square cans. Now all I see are the canned shelf-stable hams that
    >>>> resemble SPAM. The last one I inherited, DAK "Premium" brand, was
    >>>> WORSE than SPAM -

    >>
    >> There used to be two primary brands of canned ham from Poland, Krakus
    >> and Atalanta, (yes, that's spelled correctly) and they were very, very
    >> good. I haven't seen them in many years. I don't know where DAK comes
    >> from now, but it used to be from Denmark and was not nearly as good as
    >> the others.


    I didn't write that. Obviously the dwarf masturbated with my post, I
    never mentioned DAK or Krakus. My post contained Hormel Black Label
    and Armour Star hams, and I gave links.

    >DAK used to have very good refrigerated Danish deli ham back in the
    >80's - sold in plastic in 1-lb packages. Haven't seen it for decades.
    >
    >And then Dubuque(sp) had really good refrigerated canned hams, but it
    >looks like Whoremel, and finally Smithfield hammered the last nails
    >into their coffin.
    >
    >I couldn't remember the name of the company when I first posted it,
    >but that the ham I remember from the 80's and 90's: Dubuque.
    >
    >I don't think Denmark would bother exporting that canned DAK **** all
    >the way from Denmark. That can I used a couple months ago was horrid
    >stuff. It was more like ground ham and resembled dog food. Which
    >describes SPAM, I know - but this stuff tasted bad, too. Looks like
    >Plumrose makes the DAK canned ham.
    >
    >Speaking of canned meat, I was surprised that Whoremel (Hormel) Canned
    >Corned Beef was quite edible. I made a couple Reubens with it. Nice
    >texture and not overly salty. 3 rungs up from SPAM on the canned meat
    >ladder.
    >
    >-sw


  16. #16
    spamtrap1888 Guest

    Default Re: What Happened to Canned Hams?

    On Oct 24, 9:18*am, Brooklyn1 <Gravesend1> wrote:
    > On Wed, 24 Oct 2012 00:03:51 -0500, Sqwertz <swe...@cluemail.compost>
    > wrote:
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > >On Tue, 23 Oct 2012 20:41:17 -0600, gloria p wrote:

    >
    > >> On 10/23/2012 3:31 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
    > >>> On Tue, 23 Oct 2012 15:30:55 -0500, Sqwertz <swe...@cluemail.compost>
    > >>> wrote:

    >
    > >>>> Not the shelf-stable hams, but the canned, refrigerated hams. *There
    > >>>> used to be a couple good brands around - usually in 4-5lb teardrop or
    > >>>> square cans. *Now all I see are the canned shelf-stable hams that
    > >>>> resemble SPAM. *The last one I inherited, DAK "Premium" brand, was
    > >>>> WORSE than SPAM -

    >
    > >> There used to be two primary brands of canned ham from Poland, Krakus
    > >> and Atalanta, (yes, that's spelled correctly) and they were very, very
    > >> good. *I haven't seen them in many years. *I don't know where DAK comes
    > >> from now, but it used to be from Denmark and was not nearly as good as
    > >> the others.

    >
    > I didn't write that. *Obviously the dwarf masturbated with my post, I
    > never mentioned DAK or Krakus. * My post contained Hormel Black Label
    > and Armour Star hams, and I gave links.
    >
    >


    No more Armour Star hams, though Pinnacle makes other Armour brand
    canned meat products.

  17. #17
    T Guest

    Default Re: What Happened to Canned Hams?

    In article <42eee1e8-994b-427b-9b27-f25964c29974
    @a4g2000pbo.googlegroups.com>, [email protected] says...
    >
    > On Oct 23, 7:41*pm, gloria p <gpues...@comcast.net> wrote:
    > > On 10/23/2012 3:31 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
    > >
    > > > On Tue, 23 Oct 2012 15:30:55 -0500, Sqwertz <swe...@cluemail.compost>
    > > > wrote:

    > >
    > > >> Not the shelf-stable hams, but the canned, refrigerated hams. *There
    > > >> used to be a couple good brands around - usually in 4-5lb teardrop or
    > > >> square cans. *Now all I see are the canned shelf-stable hams that
    > > >> resemble SPAM. *The last one I inherited, DAK "Premium" brand, was
    > > >> WORSE than SPAM -

    > >
    > > There used to be two primary brands of canned ham from Poland, Krakus
    > > and Atalanta, (yes, that's spelled correctly) and they were very, very
    > > good. *I haven't seen them in many years. *I don't know where DAK comes
    > > from now, but it used to be from Denmark and was not nearly as good as
    > > the others.
    > >

    >
    > Brokelyn's answer holds good: ShopRite.
    >
    > http://www.shoprite.com/pd/Krakus/Po.../076261000516/


    Hehehehehe - ShopRite is also PriceRite here in RI.

    And PriceRite's are usually pretty horrid stores except for the one near
    me. They got what used to be a Shaw's store - so they expanded the
    selection of produce, have a small bake shop, and it's cleaner and
    better lit than most of the other stores.



  18. #18
    Sqwertz Guest

    Default Re: What Happened to Canned Hams?

    On Wed, 24 Oct 2012 10:47:24 -0700 (PDT), spamtrap1888 wrote:

    > On Oct 24, 9:18*am, Brooklyn1 <Gravesend1> wrote:
    >> On Wed, 24 Oct 2012 00:03:51 -0500, Sqwertz <swe...@cluemail.compost>
    >> wrote:
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>>On Tue, 23 Oct 2012 20:41:17 -0600, gloria p wrote:

    >>
    >>>> On 10/23/2012 3:31 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
    >>>>> On Tue, 23 Oct 2012 15:30:55 -0500, Sqwertz <swe...@cluemail.compost>
    >>>>> wrote:

    >>
    >>>>>> Not the shelf-stable hams, but the canned, refrigerated hams. *There
    >>>>>> used to be a couple good brands around - usually in 4-5lb teardrop or
    >>>>>> square cans. *Now all I see are the canned shelf-stable hams that
    >>>>>> resemble SPAM. *The last one I inherited, DAK "Premium" brand, was
    >>>>>> WORSE than SPAM -

    >>
    >>>> There used to be two primary brands of canned ham from Poland, Krakus
    >>>> and Atalanta, (yes, that's spelled correctly) and they were very, very
    >>>> good. *I haven't seen them in many years. *I don't know where DAK comes
    >>>> from now, but it used to be from Denmark and was not nearly as good as
    >>>> the others.

    >>
    >> I didn't write that. *Obviously the dwarf masturbated with my post, I
    >> never mentioned DAK or Krakus. * My post contained Hormel Black Label
    >> and Armour Star hams, and I gave links.
    >>
    >>

    >
    > No more Armour Star hams, though Pinnacle makes other Armour brand
    > canned meat products.


    Two people quoted Sheldon (and correctly, I might add) but we both cut
    out everything he said. I guess that shows how much value we place on
    his posts.

    It appears Armour's last claim to fame are Vienna Sausages, Potted
    Meat, and Treet. I seem to recall them being bigger than that but
    that looks like it for them.

    Potted meat deviled eggs, Shelly?

    http://www.armour-star.com/search.as...&recipe_id=213

    Or there's always Vienna Sausage Noodle Casserole:

    http://www.armour-star.com/search.as...&recipe_id=198

    -sw

  19. #19
    Brooklyn1 Guest

    Default Re: What Happened to Canned Hams?

    On Fri, 26 Oct 2012 00:21:25 -0400, T <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    >In article <42eee1e8-994b-427b-9b27-f25964c29974
    >@a4g2000pbo.googlegroups.com>, [email protected] says...
    >>
    >> On Oct 23, 7:41*pm, gloria p <gpues...@comcast.net> wrote:
    >> > On 10/23/2012 3:31 PM, Brooklyn1 wrote:
    >> >
    >> > > On Tue, 23 Oct 2012 15:30:55 -0500, Sqwertz <swe...@cluemail.compost>
    >> > > wrote:
    >> >
    >> > >> Not the shelf-stable hams, but the canned, refrigerated hams. *There
    >> > >> used to be a couple good brands around - usually in 4-5lb teardrop or
    >> > >> square cans. *Now all I see are the canned shelf-stable hams that
    >> > >> resemble SPAM. *The last one I inherited, DAK "Premium" brand, was
    >> > >> WORSE than SPAM -
    >> >
    >> > There used to be two primary brands of canned ham from Poland, Krakus
    >> > and Atalanta, (yes, that's spelled correctly) and they were very, very
    >> > good. *I haven't seen them in many years. *I don't know where DAK comes
    >> > from now, but it used to be from Denmark and was not nearly as good as
    >> > the others.
    >> >

    >>
    >> Brokelyn's answer holds good: ShopRite.
    >>
    >> http://www.shoprite.com/pd/Krakus/Po.../076261000516/

    >
    >Hehehehehe - ShopRite is also PriceRite here in RI.
    >
    >And PriceRite's are usually pretty horrid stores except for the one near
    >me. They got what used to be a Shaw's store - so they expanded the
    >selection of produce, have a small bake shop, and it's cleaner and
    >better lit than most of the other stores.


    Even though those hams are canned be careful where you purchase them,
    they need constant refrigeration and some stores are very lax in that
    regard. I would strongly recommend buying canned hams and all
    refrigerated foods at Walmart, they have the best refrigeration.

  20. #20
    Jim Elbrecht Guest

    Default Pricerite and Shoprite [Re: What Happened to Canned Hams?]

    T <[email protected]> wrote:


    -snip-
    >
    >Hehehehehe - ShopRite is also PriceRite here in RI.
    >
    >And PriceRite's are usually pretty horrid stores except for the one near
    >me. They got what used to be a Shaw's store - so they expanded the
    >selection of produce, have a small bake shop, and it's cleaner and
    >better lit than most of the other stores.
    >


    I have one of each near me.

    PriceRite- No frills [no bags-no checks-no 'loyalty cards'] Great
    sales on things like bags of chicken, cheap beef, carrots, potatoes,
    plantains. . . found about 8 miles from me in a decidedly 'low
    rent' area-- Caters to Hispanics and has the best prices on beans,
    coconut milk, rice and some PriceRite brand stuff. Not a lot of
    selection- but all the essentials. Their produce is usually pretty
    good- don't go there on the first 10 days of the month.
    The staff is some of the most helpful friendly folks I've seen in any
    store.

    ShopRite- I go past one on the way to PriceRite. It has been open for
    a year. They bought a failing mall in an upscale 'burb and created a
    'super' store. It even has special parking with free electricity
    for your electric car. I've been in it twice. They are the
    epitome of what's wrong with grocery stores today, IMO. 25
    different kinds of canned peas- aisles too narrow to pass 3 carts.
    Super sales if you use their loyalty card-- but expensive if you
    don't. Most of the sales are on already overpriced meats and
    prepared foods.

    They hired much of their floor staff straight off the unemployment
    line [and made a big deal of how they were helping the community]- and
    it had predictable results. There were few ''shining stars' in that
    first batch-- and they have replaced most of them with a new batch. I
    don't know where from, or how the new kids worked out.

    For my money- I'll take the no-frills PriceRite over our ShopRite--
    but ShopRite seems to keep their parking lot filled-- so more power to
    'em.

    Jim


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