Thread: what cattle are eating these days

On 26/09/2012 6:23 AM, Michael Kuettner wrote:
>
>
> "Janet Bostwick" wrote :
>
>> O.k., we (at least, I) get it. Sometime within the last 10 days you
>> have convinced me that you despise the USA, everything about it, and
>> everyone in it. You should stop communicating and torturing yourself
>> with us.
>> Janet US
>
> This is rec.food.cooking, not rec.food.USA.
> So **** off, Janet.
>
> Things I despise ?
> Legalizing fraud by creating sub-prime loans and wrecking the world
> economy by selling those papers is one thing.
> Starting wars of aggression and lying to Allies is another thing.
> Killing foreigners for geopolitical reasons is another thing I despise.
> That none of the above had any consequences had any consequences
> for any of those responsible for it, is a thing I despise even more.
> The thing I despise at most, however, is the endless jabbering about 9/11
> without an apology for anything you did.
> And the endless ignorance of the USAn people. You still don't get that
> you're subject to the same rules as the rest of
> the world.

You're displaying a rather inordinate amount of ignorance yourself!

What's your excuse? Brainwashing?
>
> God's own country, my ass...

You sound more like the kind of person who would use camels, not asses.
>
> Now go to an USAn group for some comfort. But THIS HERE is
> an INTERNATIONAL group, you dumb Yankee.
>


--

Krypsis

On Wed, 26 Sep 2012 08:17:02 -0400, "Somebody" <[email protected]>
wrote:

> "sf" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]..
> > On Tue, 25 Sep 2012 22:35:27 -0400, "Somebody" <[email protected]>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> The GM Sisyphus. You park it at the top of a hill across from another,
> >> put
> >> a round rock in front (the energy storage device) and then let it roll
> >> back
> >> and forth until fully charged.
> >>
> > A hand crank and rubber band would be more efficient.
>
>
> I have a hand crank emergency radio with light. It's great when the power
> goes out.
>


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I take life with a grain of salt, a slice of lemon and a shot of tequila

On Wed, 26 Sep 2012 17:58:02 +0000 (UTC), Doug Freyburger
<[email protected]> wrote:

> sf wrote:
> > "Somebody" <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> Politicians seem able to violate most of the laws of thermodynamics.
> >
> > They're also a cheap source of hot air.
>
> The politicians are cheap on your planet? I want to move to that planet.

I guess you haven't been paying attention to the airwaves lately -
lots of hot air there.

--
I take life with a grain of salt, a slice of lemon and a shot of tequila

On Wed, 26 Sep 2012 08:54:40 -1000, dsi1
<[email protected]> wrote:

> On 9/26/2012 8:04 AM, Michael Kuettner wrote:
> >
> >
> > "dsi1" wrote :
> >
> >> If you're saying that wind-powered vehicles can't can go faster that
> >> the wind you'd probably be wrong.
> >
> > Read the above again. Scratch your head (or don't, if you were "educated"
> > by Barbara ...).
>
> I'm not concerned with what other people say nor do I talk about others
> in the third person. You must have a problem with paying attention too.
>
I'm seeing self important blowhards (men) with no imagination and
cement for brains who can only think in the present... correction: the
past.


--
I take life with a grain of salt, a slice of lemon and a shot of tequila

On 27/09/2012 10:11 PM, sf wrote:
> On Wed, 26 Sep 2012 17:58:02 +0000 (UTC), Doug Freyburger
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> sf wrote:
>>> "Somebody" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Politicians seem able to violate most of the laws of thermodynamics.
>>>
>>> They're also a cheap source of hot air.
>>
>> The politicians are cheap on your planet? I want to move to that planet.
>
> I guess you haven't been paying attention to the airwaves lately -
> lots of hot air there.
>
From past history, it's going to get a lot "hotter" soon. You'll think
Death Valley is a cool place by comparison.

--

Krypsis

Michael Kuettner wrote:
>
> The thing I despise at most, however, is the endless jabbering about 9/11
> without an apology for anything you did.
> And the endless ignorance of the USAn people.

Some of us "USAn" people are not so ignorant as you think.
Not all of us agree with what our government does.

We constantly manipulate other countries to suit our needs or wishes. We
support the rebels vs the established government if that suits us. IMO,
this is why many countries (and in the middle east) seem to hate the US.
We want the oil access.

In Vietnam, it was all about preventing the spread of communism. Way too
many people died on both sides, then we withdrew, and it all happened
anyway.

As I said before, we do carry a big stick but we don't seem to speak softly
lately. The USA is a bully, using our military might to support our needs.
And we wonder why others hate us so much.

As far as the 9/11 thing, I disagree that we should hold memorials each
year. That's just fueling the terrorist people each year, imo. I don't agree
with terrorism attacks but that's the only way they can fight us....by "hit
and run" attacks. They aren't stupid and they know they can't go face to
face with the US military. The terrorist attacks are their only way to fight
us.

Credit to them: they really scored on 9/11. They attacked the mainland US.
Not only did they bring down both World Trade Center towers, but they
actually made a big hit on the Pentagon, the US military headquarters.
Doesn't get any better victory for a small group than that.

I can't help but think that every 9/11 since, while we are having our
memorial ceremonies, the current terrorists are cheering their asses off and
yelling, "Yeah! We got 'em good that year." This annual event probably
even fuels their resolve to strike again.

I speak for me, and no others in this country. Just my opinion.

G.

On 24/09/2012 8:39 PM, sf wrote:
> On Mon, 24 Sep 2012 17:09:39 -0700 (PDT), merryb <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>> Maybe she is thinking of windmill powered battery chargers?
>
> No, I'm saying that once the car is in motion the air is in motion at
> the front of the car and it = wind. It's a new idea that he's too
> stupid to understand.
>


That ranks up there with putting fans on the backs of sail boats to
provide wind for the sails, something that I thought would be a good
idea until I learned a little more about the physics and work. Whatever
energy you are gong to harness from a wind driven generator will come
from the extra work it takes to propel the car forward.

Some of the newer green cars are making use of kinetic energy to be
converted to potential (battery power). It takes energy to propel a car
forward. It also takes energy to stop a moving vehicle. Brakes operate
on friction, converting kinetic energy to heat energy. Some of the
hybrids have developed means of more efficiently converting that kinetic
energy into another form of (potential) energy. You use the engine to
get your car moving and to go uphill, and then when you are slowing down
or descending, it uses that kinetic energy to generate electricity to
recharge the battery.

On Thu, 27 Sep 2012 08:38:40 -0400, Gary <[email protected]> wrote:

>Some of us "USAn" people are not so ignorant as you think.
>Not all of us agree with what our government does.
>
>We constantly manipulate other countries to suit our needs or wishes. We
>support the rebels vs the established government if that suits us. IMO,
>this is why many countries (and in the middle east) seem to hate the US.
>We want the oil access.
>
>In Vietnam, it was all about preventing the spread of communism. Way too
>many people died on both sides, then we withdrew, and it all happened
>anyway.
>
>As I said before, we do carry a big stick but we don't seem to speak softly
>lately. The USA is a bully, using our military might to support our needs.
>And we wonder why others hate us so much.
>
>As far as the 9/11 thing, I disagree that we should hold memorials each
>year. That's just fueling the terrorist people each year, imo. I don't agree
>with terrorism attacks but that's the only way they can fight us....by "hit
>and run" attacks. They aren't stupid and they know they can't go face to
>face with the US military. The terrorist attacks are their only way to fight
>us.
>
>Credit to them: they really scored on 9/11. They attacked the mainland US.
>Not only did they bring down both World Trade Center towers, but they
>actually made a big hit on the Pentagon, the US military headquarters.
>Doesn't get any better victory for a small group than that.
>
>I can't help but think that every 9/11 since, while we are having our
>memorial ceremonies, the current terrorists are cheering their asses off and
>yelling, "Yeah! We got 'em good that year." This annual event probably
>even fuels their resolve to strike again.
>
>I speak for me, and no others in this country. Just my opinion.

Well said. Not sure about the memorial ceremonies, though. Not holding
them for the reasons you mentioned, seems to make the terrorists more
important than the victims and their families/friends.

--
John

On 9/27/2012 8:11 AM, sf wrote:
> On Wed, 26 Sep 2012 08:54:40 -1000, dsi1
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On 9/26/2012 8:04 AM, Michael Kuettner wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> "dsi1" wrote :
>>>
>>>> If you're saying that wind-powered vehicles can't can go faster that
>>>> the wind you'd probably be wrong.
>>>
>>> Read the above again. Scratch your head (or don't, if you were "educated"
>>> by Barbara ...).
>>
>> I'm not concerned with what other people say nor do I talk about others
>> in the third person. You must have a problem with paying attention too.
>>
> I'm seeing self important blowhards (men) with no imagination and
> cement for brains who can only think in the present... correction: the
> past.
>
>

I am pretty sure lots of folks have been chasing the idea of perpetual
motion machines for a really long time. Your idea squarely fits in that
category since "getting something started and have it keep going with no
additional energy use" is by definition perpetual motion.

On Thu, 27 Sep 2012 09:51:59 -0400, George <[email protected]>
wrote:

> On 9/27/2012 8:11 AM, sf wrote:
> > On Wed, 26 Sep 2012 08:54:40 -1000, dsi1
> > <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >> On 9/26/2012 8:04 AM, Michael Kuettner wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> "dsi1" wrote :
> >>>
> >>>> If you're saying that wind-powered vehicles can't can go faster that
> >>>> the wind you'd probably be wrong.
> >>>
> >>> Read the above again. Scratch your head (or don't, if you were "educated"
> >>> by Barbara ...).
> >>
> >> I'm not concerned with what other people say nor do I talk about others
> >> in the third person. You must have a problem with paying attention too.
> >>
> > I'm seeing self important blowhards (men) with no imagination and
> > cement for brains who can only think in the present... correction: the
> > past.
> >
> >
>
> I am pretty sure lots of folks have been chasing the idea of perpetual
> motion machines for a really long time. Your idea squarely fits in that
> category since "getting something started and have it keep going with no
> additional energy use" is by definition perpetual motion.

If you don't count wind as energy, then you're part of the problem -
not the solution.

--
I take life with a grain of salt, a slice of lemon and a shot of tequila

Gary wrote:
>
> Some of us "USAn" people are not so ignorant as you think.
> Not all of us agree with what our government does.

Most of us disagree. Many of us have the sense to understand theat were
we in charge we'd do even worse.

> In Vietnam, it was all about preventing the spread of communism. Way too
> many people died on both sides, then we withdrew, and it all happened
> anyway.

And yet the expansion of socialism stoped not long afterwards. The
Soviet Union attacked one more place and lost big in Afghanistan. We
may have troops there but we know better than to try to be in charge.

> As I said before, we do carry a big stick but we don't seem to speak softly
> lately. The USA is a bully, using our military might to support our needs.
> And we wonder why others hate us so much.

And yet how many would be worse off without? Would Austria still be a
part of the Soviet bloc?

> Credit to them: they really scored on 9/11. They attacked the mainland US.
> Not only did they bring down both World Trade Center towers, but they
> actually made a big hit on the Pentagon, the US military headquarters.
> Doesn't get any better victory for a small group than that.

Yet they lost two countries and put themselves on the path to personal
extinction.

Doug Freyburger wrote:

> > Not all of us agree with what our government does.
>
> Most of us disagree. Many of us have the sense to understand theat were
> we in charge we'd do even worse.

Not necessarily. Suppose the Anti-Special Interest party won a
majority in both houses. The first order of business would be wall
themselves off from the river of money. That would make for a more
responsive, forward-looking government.

On the other hand, pigs might start flying next week....

"George M. Middius" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]..
> Doug Freyburger wrote:
>
>> > Not all of us agree with what our government does.
>>
>> Most of us disagree. Many of us have the sense to understand theat were
>> we in charge we'd do even worse.
>
> Not necessarily. Suppose the Anti-Special Interest party won a
> majority in both houses. The first order of business would be wall
> themselves off from the river of money. That would make for a more
> responsive, forward-looking government.
>
> On the other hand, pigs might start flying next week....
>

yes, especially when you consider the biggest special interest group is the
47% that pay no income taxes but want all the "free" stuff.