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  1. #1
    Manda Ruby Guest

    Default What beef cut do you prefer for makign Pho?

    It's been a while I made this Vietnamese pho soup and I didn't really
    follow the recipe strictly. Now, I have bought a paackage of season -
    all raw spices - and would like to make a pot of Pho using beef . I
    am not interesting is boiling the meat for LONG hours, sifting tis and
    that. I just want the simplest way to make it.

    I only have tritip and sirloin steak in the freezer. So, I'd need to
    go buy some meat for this. A busy week head for me and a pot of this
    soup would be handy especially since I have bean sprout, basil, mints
    and cilantro that can be used for garnishing.

    Which beef cut would you suggest tat would not give me lots of fat?

  2. #2
    spamtrap1888 Guest

    Default Re: What beef cut do you prefer for makign Pho?

    On Jul 11, 8:12*am, Manda Ruby <manda.r...@gmail.com> wrote:
    > It's been a while I made this Vietnamese pho soup and I didn't really
    > follow the recipe strictly. *Now, I have bought a paackage of season -
    > all raw spices - and would like to make a pot of Pho using beef . *I
    > am not interesting is boiling the meat for LONG hours, sifting tis and
    > that. *I just want the simplest way to make it.
    >
    > I only have tritip and sirloin steak in the freezer. *So, I'd need to
    > go buy some meat for this. *A busy week head for me and a pot of this
    > soup would be handy especially since I have bean sprout, basil, mints
    > and cilantro that can be used for garnishing.
    >
    > Which beef cut would you suggest tat would not give me lots of fat?


    Round

    But if you think the beef in pho is boiled for long hours UR doin it
    RONG.

  3. #3
    Bob Terwilliger Guest

    Default Re: What beef cut do you prefer for makign Pho?

    spamtrap wrote:

    >> It's been a while I made this Vietnamese pho soup and I didn't really
    >> follow the recipe strictly. Now, I have bought a paackage of season - all
    >> raw spices - and would like to make a pot of Pho using beef . I am not
    >> interesting is boiling the meat for LONG hours, sifting tis and that. I
    >> just want the simplest way to make it.
    >>
    >> I only have tritip and sirloin steak in the freezer. So, I'd need to go
    >> buy some meat for this. A busy week head for me and a pot of this soup
    >> would be handy especially since I have bean sprout, basil, mints and
    >> cilantro that can be used for garnishing.
    >>
    >> Which beef cut would you suggest tat would not give me lots of fat?

    >
    > Round
    >
    > But if you think the beef in pho is boiled for long hours UR doin it RONG.


    Depends on what cut of meat you're using. Tendon and tripe cuts *are* cooked
    for long hours, albeit they're not boiled that whole time.

    The tri-tip and sirloin in her freezer would make a perfectly servicable
    pho. Trim the tri-tip, cut it into cubes, and simmer it with ginger, garlic,
    and star anise to make the broth, and then cut the sirloin VERY thinly and
    put it in raw just before serving: The heat of the broth will cook the
    sirloin pieces as much as they need to cook.

    Bob




  4. #4
    Manda Ruby Guest

    Default Re: What beef cut do you prefer for makign Pho?

    On Jul 11, 9:32*am, "Bob Terwilliger" <virtualgoth@die_spammer.biz>
    wrote:
    > spamtrap wrote:
    > >> It's been a while I made this Vietnamese pho soup and I didn't really
    > >> follow the recipe strictly. Now, I have bought a paackage of season - all
    > >> raw spices - and would like to make a pot of Pho using beef . I am not
    > >> interesting is boiling the meat for LONG hours, sifting tis and that. I
    > >> just want the simplest way to make it.

    >
    > >> I only have tritip and sirloin steak in the freezer. So, I'd need to go
    > >> buy some meat for this. A busy week head for me and a pot of this soup
    > >> would be handy especially since I have bean sprout, basil, mints and
    > >> cilantro that can be used for garnishing.

    >
    > >> Which beef cut would you suggest tat would not give me lots of fat?

    >
    > > Round

    >
    > > But if you think the beef in pho is boiled for long hours UR doin it RONG.

    >
    > Depends on what cut of meat you're using. Tendon and tripe cuts *are* cooked
    > for long hours, albeit they're not boiled that whole time.
    >
    > The tri-tip and sirloin in her freezer would make a perfectly servicable
    > pho. Trim the tri-tip, cut it into cubes, and simmer it with ginger, garlic,
    > and star anise to make the broth, and then cut the sirloin VERY thinly and
    > put it in raw just before serving: The heat of the broth will cook the
    > sirloin pieces as much as they need to cook.
    >
    > Bob


    I do have plenty of ginger, garlic, and star anise. Should I use
    ginger as round thing slice and garlic as cloves and cut these up in
    small pieces?

    I got a "1.6 oz" pack of 'Mixed Spices for Pho" with these
    ingredients not in powder form: star anise, cardamon. Clove, Cinnamon,
    Licorice, and Pepper.

    Do you think these spices would be too strong? I can use this some
    other time since I just want to make a quick pot today. BTW, for
    all that 1.6 oz of mixed spice, how many pounds of beef could be
    used?



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  5. #5
    aem Guest

    Default Re: What beef cut do you prefer for makign Pho?

    On Jul 11, 8:12 am, Manda Ruby <manda.r...@gmail.com> wrote:
    > It's been a while I made this Vietnamese pho soup and I didn't really
    > follow the recipe strictly. Now, I have bought a paackage of season -
    > all raw spices - and would like to make a pot of Pho using beef . I
    > am not interesting is boiling the meat for LONG hours, sifting tis and
    > that. I just want the simplest way to make it.
    >
    > I only have tritip and sirloin steak in the freezer. So, I'd need to
    > go buy some meat for this. A busy week head for me and a pot of this
    > soup would be handy especially since I have bean sprout, basil, mints
    > and cilantro that can be used for garnishing.
    >
    > Which beef cut would you suggest tat would not give me lots of fat?


    First, if you ever want to make the real stuff, read this rather long
    recipe and set of tips:
    http://steamykitchen.com/271-vietnam...-soup-pho.html

    But since you want simple and fast you'll have to use some kind of
    prepared beef broth. It can work if you're lucky.

    For the beef to be placed in the broth at the last minute the sirloin
    thinly sliced is fine. Flank steak is a common choice, too. For a
    showpiece you can even use thinly sliced ribeye.

    The garnishes you mention are okay but incomplete. Where are the
    chiles? -aem

  6. #6
    Manda Ruby Guest

    Default Re: What beef cut do you prefer for makign Pho?

    On Jul 11, 10:46*am, aem <aem_ag...@yahoo.com> wrote:
    > On Jul 11, 8:12 am, Manda Ruby <manda.r...@gmail.com> wrote:
    >
    > > It's been a while I made this Vietnamese pho soup and I didn't really
    > > follow the recipe strictly. *Now, I have bought a paackage of season -
    > > all raw spices - and would like to make a pot of Pho using beef . *I
    > > am not interesting is boiling the meat for LONG hours, sifting tis and
    > > that. *I just want the simplest way to make it.

    >
    > > I only have tritip and sirloin steak in the freezer. *So, I'd need to
    > > go buy some meat for this. *A busy week head for me and a pot of this
    > > soup would be handy especially since I have bean sprout, basil, mints
    > > and cilantro that can be used for garnishing.

    >
    > > Which beef cut would you suggest tat would not give me lots of fat?

    >
    > First, if you ever want to make the real stuff, read this rather long
    > recipe and set of tips:http://steamykitchen.com/271-vietnam...-soup-pho.html


    I know about the real version. It will never hapen if I try making
    that version.
    >
    > But since you want simple and fast you'll have to use some kind of
    > prepared beef broth. *It can work if you're lucky.


    I do have Kitchen Basic beef stock. Would that work?
    >
    > For the beef to be placed in the broth at the last minute the sirloin
    > thinly sliced is fine. *Flank steak is a common choice, too. *For a
    > showpiece you can even use thinly sliced ribeye.
    >
    > The garnishes you mention are okay but incomplete. *Where are the
    > chiles? * *


    I forgot to mention that. I have serrano pepper and kind of old Thai
    chilies. I also have limes.

    -aem


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    notbob Guest

    Default Re: What beef cut do you prefer for makign Pho?

    On 2010-07-11, aem <[email protected]> wrote:

    > The garnishes you mention are okay but incomplete. Where are the
    > chiles? -aem


    Who or what are you, aem? I see "aem some good bones" in the pic of
    bone marrow. Are you Jaden Hair? Coincidence? Secret cooking term?

    nb



  8. #8
    aem Guest

    Default Re: What beef cut do you prefer for makign Pho?

    On Jul 11, 11:47 am, notbob <not...@nothome.com> wrote:
    > On 2010-07-11, aem <aem_ag...@yahoo.com> wrote:
    >
    > > The garnishes you mention are okay but incomplete. Where are the
    > > chiles? -aem

    >
    > Who or what are you, aem? I see "aem some good bones" in the pic of
    > bone marrow. Are you Jaden Hair? Coincidence? Secret cooking term?
    >

    Hah, you made me look. I'm pretty sure that says "dem some good
    bones." At any rate, I have nothing to do with that site. It just
    happens to have a pretty knowledgeable take on this dish. -aem



  9. #9
    Manda Ruby Guest

    Default Re: What beef cut do you prefer for makign Pho?

    On Jul 11, 10:46*am, aem <aem_ag...@yahoo.com> wrote:
    > On Jul 11, 8:12 am, Manda Ruby <manda.r...@gmail.com> wrote:
    >
    > > It's been a while I made this Vietnamese pho soup and I didn't really
    > > follow the recipe strictly. *Now, I have bought a paackage of season -
    > > all raw spices - and would like to make a pot of Pho using beef . *I
    > > am not interesting is boiling the meat for LONG hours, sifting tis and
    > > that. *I just want the simplest way to make it.

    >
    > > I only have tritip and sirloin steak in the freezer. *So, I'd need to
    > > go buy some meat for this. *A busy week head for me and a pot of this
    > > soup would be handy especially since I have bean sprout, basil, mints
    > > and cilantro that can be used for garnishing.

    >
    > > Which beef cut would you suggest tat would not give me lots of fat?

    >
    > First, if you ever want to make the real stuff, read this rather long
    > recipe and set of tips:http://steamykitchen.com/271-vietnam...-soup-pho.html


    I looked at that recipe, and seeing the pics, feel compelled to make
    it but not today cus I have to prepare a demo for my job interview
    tomorrow. My bean spout's best use date was yesterday. If it'd
    still be good on Tuesay, I will follow this recipe except I will use
    udon noodle or chinese noodle that looks white instead of rice stick.



    >
    > But since you want simple and fast you'll have to use some kind of
    > prepared beef broth. *It can work if you're lucky.
    >
    > For the beef to be placed in the broth at the last minute the sirloin
    > thinly sliced is fine. *Flank steak is a common choice, too. *For a
    > showpiece you can even use thinly sliced ribeye.
    >
    > The garnishes you mention are okay but incomplete. *Where are the
    > chiles? * * -aem



  10. #10
    notbob Guest

    Default Re: What beef cut do you prefer for makign Pho?

    On 2010-07-11, aem <[email protected]> wrote:


    > happens to have a pretty knowledgeable take on this dish. -aem


    How about you? Are you a pho broth guru?

    I once read a review of my favorite pho noodle place down in Sunnyvale
    and it said one could really appreciate the subtle duck flavors in the
    broth. I know spit about making pho broth, but know what good broth
    tastes like. This place didn't really taste like a beef only broth.

    nb

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    sf Guest

    Default Re: What beef cut do you prefer for makign Pho?

    On Sun, 11 Jul 2010 10:46:48 -0700 (PDT), aem <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    > First, if you ever want to make the real stuff, read this rather long
    > recipe and set of tips:
    > http://steamykitchen.com/271-vietnam...-soup-pho.html


    I subscribe to steamy kitchen, but I usually have a problem with her
    recipes when they are already a regular in *my* kitchen. However, I'd
    be willing to say that marrow must be the secret because I make kick
    ass stock, that as rich as it is (roasted bones and mirepoix simmered
    8 hours or more), still lacks the beefy flavor of a good pho.

    --
    Forget the health food. I need all the preservatives I can get.

  12. #12
    aem Guest

    Default Re: What beef cut do you prefer for makign Pho?

    On Jul 11, 12:28 pm, notbob <not...@nothome.com> wrote:
    > On 2010-07-11, aem <aem_ag...@yahoo.com> wrote:
    >
    > > happens to have a pretty knowledgeable take on this dish. -aem

    >
    > How about you? Are you a pho broth guru?


    I'm a pho-eater, not a pho-maker. I've made it a couple of times but
    it has joined the (always growing) list of things I think are too
    labor-intensive for me unless required by a special occasion. Here in
    SoCal the challenge is not finding pho, it's finding the best of
    thousands of places that serve it. -aem

  13. #13
    sf Guest

    Default Re: What beef cut do you prefer for makign Pho?

    On Sun, 11 Jul 2010 10:46:48 -0700 (PDT), aem <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    > The garnishes you mention are okay but incomplete. Where are the
    > chiles?


    PS: Not everyone adds chilies to their pho, so if she's cooking for
    herself and doesn't like chilies in her soup, it's called personal
    preference to leave it out.

    --
    Forget the health food. I need all the preservatives I can get.

  14. #14
    sf Guest

    Default Re: What beef cut do you prefer for makign Pho?

    On Sun, 11 Jul 2010 12:54:36 -0700 (PDT), aem <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    > Here in
    > SoCal the challenge is not finding pho, it's finding the best of
    > thousands of places that serve it. -aem


    I feel your pain, aem!

    --
    Forget the health food. I need all the preservatives I can get.

  15. #15
    Jean B. Guest

    Default Re: What beef cut do you prefer for makign Pho?

    aem wrote:
    > On Jul 11, 12:28 pm, notbob <not...@nothome.com> wrote:
    >> On 2010-07-11, aem <aem_ag...@yahoo.com> wrote:
    >>
    >>> happens to have a pretty knowledgeable take on this dish. -aem

    >> How about you? Are you a pho broth guru?

    >
    > I'm a pho-eater, not a pho-maker. I've made it a couple of times but
    > it has joined the (always growing) list of things I think are too
    > labor-intensive for me unless required by a special occasion. Here in
    > SoCal the challenge is not finding pho, it's finding the best of
    > thousands of places that serve it. -aem


    Good point, esp. when one wants a variety of meats in it. (I
    especially like tendon and tripe, but also want a bit of sliced
    beef of some sort--maybe flank.) I was thinking one could
    probably get small quantities of them at a Korean store and need
    to check that out. But then the weather here in New England is so
    steamy, I have no desire to make it in the near future.

    --
    Jean B.

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    Omelet Guest

    Default Re: What beef cut do you prefer for makign Pho?

    In article
    <8[email protected]>,
    spamtrap1888 <[email protected]> wrote:

    > On Jul 11, 8:12*am, Manda Ruby <manda.r...@gmail.com> wrote:
    > > It's been a while I made this Vietnamese pho soup and I didn't really
    > > follow the recipe strictly. *Now, I have bought a paackage of season -
    > > all raw spices - and would like to make a pot of Pho using beef . *I
    > > am not interesting is boiling the meat for LONG hours, sifting tis and
    > > that. *I just want the simplest way to make it.
    > >
    > > I only have tritip and sirloin steak in the freezer. *So, I'd need to
    > > go buy some meat for this. *A busy week head for me and a pot of this
    > > soup would be handy especially since I have bean sprout, basil, mints
    > > and cilantro that can be used for garnishing.
    > >
    > > Which beef cut would you suggest tat would not give me lots of fat?

    >
    > Round
    >
    > But if you think the beef in pho is boiled for long hours UR doin it
    > RONG.


    I recently used top sirloin for Pho'. Placed it in the bowl raw with the
    noodles and greens and bean sprouts, then poured the boiling chicken
    stock over it.

    Let it sit for a few minutes and it was perfection. ;-d
    --
    Peace! Om

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    Omelet Guest

    Default Re: What beef cut do you prefer for makign Pho?

    In article <[email protected]>,
    sf <[email protected]> wrote:

    > On Sun, 11 Jul 2010 10:46:48 -0700 (PDT), aem <[email protected]>
    > wrote:
    >
    > > First, if you ever want to make the real stuff, read this rather long
    > > recipe and set of tips:
    > > http://steamykitchen.com/271-vietnam...-soup-pho.html

    >
    > I subscribe to steamy kitchen, but I usually have a problem with her
    > recipes when they are already a regular in *my* kitchen. However, I'd
    > be willing to say that marrow must be the secret because I make kick
    > ass stock, that as rich as it is (roasted bones and mirepoix simmered
    > 8 hours or more), still lacks the beefy flavor of a good pho.


    Have you tried adding MSG?
    --
    Peace! Om

    Web Albums: <http://picasaweb.google.com/OMPOmelet>
    Only Irish coffee provides in a single glass all four essential food groups: alcohol, caffeine, sugar and fat. --Alex Levine

  18. #18
    Manda Ruby Guest

    Default Best Bones for Pho

    On Jul 11, 10:46*am, aem <aem_ag...@yahoo.com> wrote:
    > On Jul 11, 8:12 am, Manda Ruby <manda.r...@gmail.com> wrote:


    >
    > > Which beef cut would you suggest tat would not give me lots of fat?

    >
    > First, if you ever want to make the real stuff, read this rather long
    > recipe and set of tips:http://steamykitchen.com/271-vietnam...-soup-pho.html

    At that link was
    "Best Bones for Pho
    Leg and knuckle bones are the best to make the stock. See that
    wonderful yellow marrow below in the photo? Thatís pure flavoring that
    makes your Pho taste full, meaty and rich. But letís say that you
    canít find leg/knuckle bones. Go ahead and use whatever beef bones
    your supermarket has and just supplement with some oxtail bones or a
    pound of beef meat (rump, chuck, brisket, etc.) for extra flavor.
    Bones are parboiled first for a good 10 minutes in rapidly boiling
    water Ė this gets rid of the yucky impurities like blood particles and
    extra fat. Youíll see gray foam float up to the surface as you boil.
    After 10 minutes, dump out all of the water, rinse out your pot, rinse
    the bones, and refill with clean, cool water. I know itís an extra
    step, but this will give you the pure, clean-tasting broth.

    This is just after blanching Ė the golden gelatinous goodness is where
    all the flavor and body is.

    UPDATE 4/11/2010 I started getting comments of the broth being too
    greasy ó and after 8 pots of testing, I found out why. When I normally
    make pho broth, I use a combination of knuckle and leg bones, normally
    with 20% of the bones having the marrow (below photo). When I started
    increasing the % of bones with marrow Ė the broth started getting too
    fatty. I guess too much of a good stuff is not a good thing! The
    fattiness is easy to remedy. Refrigerate overnight and just discard
    the layer of fat that accumulates on top. For best results though,
    keep the bones with marrow to 20%."


    Well, I asked and was told (at Safeway) that they have cow feet. So,
    I'd just use that cow feet along with 1 lb of "Beef Chuck Top Blade".
    They cut it for me when I asked to slice thin not knowing what hape I
    should cut them for boiling. I am thinking to remove the fat out befor
    eboiling. Or should I just remove the fat by letting the broth sit in
    the frige overnight? I also wonder whether brisket would be better
    instead of chuck.

    About "very fine mesh strainer" to remove the scum, I saw very fine
    ones at the Asian store and was wondering how they're use. I kind of
    guessed, because of the sahpe, that it was for soup .. I likw this one
    http://www.amazon.com/CIA-Masters-Co.../dp/B000HV9HQ0
    but I want a longer handle.

    There is the crock pot section at that link.

    Well, after reading all that, I realized that it would need to wait a
    bit for me to go through all that work. May be I'll wait till my
    brothre visits town again. For now, I am better off using the beef
    stock and cook quickly to have my low fat meals.

    In the one I made the other day (Friday, I think), I just used tri-
    tip and beef stock to make broth using star anise, ginger and garlic.
    Didn't even toast the spice. Net time, I am using the spice package I
    got.



    >
    > But since you want simple and fast you'll have to use some kind of
    > prepared beef broth. *It can work if you're lucky.
    >
    > For the beef to be placed in the broth at the last minute the sirloin
    > thinly sliced is fine. *Flank steak is a common choice, too. *For a
    > showpiece you can even use thinly sliced ribeye.
    >
    > The garnishes you mention are okay but incomplete. *Where are the
    > chiles? * * -aem



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