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  1. #1
    Malcolm Mal Reynolds Guest

    Default Re: Well on my way to cheap eats.

    "Julie Bove" <[email protected]> wrote:
    > "Brooklyn1" <Gravesend1> wrote in message
    >>
    >> Makes one wonder how you ever became pregnant.

    >
    > I don't think you can get pregnant from raw meat.


    in fact that's the most common way

  2. #2
    Julie Bove Guest

    Default Well on my way to cheap eats.

    I am going to try Rissoles this coming week. Since daughter loves meatloaf,
    she might like these. And unless someone tells me otherwise why this would
    not work, I plan to make tiny ones like slider sized. I am not using an
    actual recipe but sort of a compilation of stuff that I saw on the Internet.
    Ground beef, (have two pounds out warming to room temp.), one onion, red and
    green bell pepper, carrot, zucchini, summer squash, parsley, oregano,
    garlic, salt, pepper, ketchup and mustard. I do have more beef if it looks
    like they will need it. Because I love veggies so much I tend to put too
    many in and although we still like the end result, it won't taste much like
    meat. I have only whole wheat and sweet rice flour. Intend to use the
    sweet rice flour to dust with, again unless someone tells me otherwise. It
    just seems like the whole wheat flour might have the wrong texture. I am
    not adding any starchy fillers to the mix nor am I adding egg, which is
    another reason why I am going to keep them tiny. I figure they might hold
    together better.

    I kept the trimmings and put them in a bag in the freezer for stock.

    I also froze the remains of a loaf of bread so I can make a cheese strata
    when my husband comes home. Am also going to see if I can find a breakfast
    casserole that doesn't use meat. I used to make that a lot and used sausage
    but with the gout thing I am trying to cut back on the meat I serve when he
    is home. Daughter and I liked the South Beach stuffing the first couple of
    times that I made it but we quickly grew sick of it and husband didn't like
    it at all. Not sure what all else I can use bread for. We don't eat bread
    pudding and we're not into croutons.

    Got the freezer stocked with some veggies from Target. Daughter was not
    pleased with some of my choices but I told her that we needed to expand our
    veggie horizons. Will also cook up a pound of dried beans.

    I plan to make the whole wheat and sweet potato gnocchi. Daughter turned up
    her nose at it but I told her that she will have to try eating one. I am
    not so sure I will like them. Even though I like the concept of gnocchi, I
    have never had any that I liked. Granted I only tried the dried ones twice
    and got them at a restaurant in Reno but the seemed just like the dried
    ones. And my in-laws have told me those are not so good. Yes, these that I
    have are dried ones too. Well if we don't like them, it's no great loss.
    They didn't cost much. And I can always cook a little pasta rather quickly
    if we don't.

    Now I just have to continue my quest for some kind of chicken that daughter
    will eat. She will eat it at a restaurant and in some cases I am pretty
    sure they are just heating up a precooked frozen chicken breast. But when I
    buy those, she won't eat them.



  3. #3
    Janet Guest

    Default Re: Well on my way to cheap eats.

    In article <kc8r6i$vts$[email protected]>, [email protected] says...

    > Now I just have to continue my quest for some kind of chicken that daughter
    > will eat. She will eat it at a restaurant and in some cases I am pretty
    > sure they are just heating up a precooked frozen chicken breast. But when I
    > buy those, she won't eat them.


    Why not buy a whole fresh raw chicken and roast it. Depending on her
    tastes there are lots of ways to add flavour; a cut lemon in the body
    cavity, or garlic slivers, or herbs rubbed over the skin.

    After roast chicken dinner there's enough left for sandwiches or some
    kind of chicken+ vegetable pie, curry, or pasta bake. The carcase can
    then be simmered to make a wonderful stock for soup.

    Far more economical than buying precooked chicken breasts.

    Janet UK


  4. #4
    Gary Guest

    Default Re: Well on my way to cheap eats.

    Janet wrote:

    > In article <kc8r6i$vts$[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
    >
    > > Now I just have to continue my quest for some kind of chicken that daughter
    > > will eat. She will eat it at a restaurant and in some cases I am pretty
    > > sure they are just heating up a precooked frozen chicken breast. But when I
    > > buy those, she won't eat them.

    >
    > Why not buy a whole fresh raw chicken and roast it. Depending on her
    > tastes there are lots of ways to add flavour; a cut lemon in the body
    > cavity, or garlic slivers, or herbs rubbed over the skin.
    >
    > After roast chicken dinner there's enough left for sandwiches or some
    > kind of chicken+ vegetable pie, curry, or pasta bake. The carcase can
    > then be simmered to make a wonderful stock for soup.
    >
    > Far more economical than buying precooked chicken breasts.


    I agree with you, Janet. Start with a raw fresh chicken and go from there.


  5. #5
    jmcquown Guest

    Default Re: Well on my way to cheap eats.

    On 1/5/2013 9:15 AM, Gary wrote:
    > Janet wrote:
    >
    >> In article <kc8r6i$vts$[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
    >>
    >>> Now I just have to continue my quest for some kind of chicken that daughter
    >>> will eat. She will eat it at a restaurant and in some cases I am pretty
    >>> sure they are just heating up a precooked frozen chicken breast. But when I
    >>> buy those, she won't eat them.

    >>
    >> Why not buy a whole fresh raw chicken and roast it. Depending on her
    >> tastes there are lots of ways to add flavour; a cut lemon in the body
    >> cavity, or garlic slivers, or herbs rubbed over the skin.
    >>
    >> After roast chicken dinner there's enough left for sandwiches or some
    >> kind of chicken+ vegetable pie, curry, or pasta bake. The carcase can
    >> then be simmered to make a wonderful stock for soup.
    >>
    >> Far more economical than buying precooked chicken breasts.

    >
    > I agree with you, Janet. Start with a raw fresh chicken and go from there.
    >

    Common sense advice. Of course her daughter won't like it... I have no
    idea how old this girl is but it sounds to me if she's so darn picky she
    needs to learn how to cook for herself.

    Jill

  6. #6
    Pico Rico Guest

    Default Re: Well on my way to cheap eats.


    "jmcquown" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]..
    > On 1/5/2013 9:15 AM, Gary wrote:
    >> Janet wrote:
    >>
    >>> In article <kc8r6i$vts$[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
    >>>
    >>>> Now I just have to continue my quest for some kind of chicken that
    >>>> daughter
    >>>> will eat. She will eat it at a restaurant and in some cases I am
    >>>> pretty
    >>>> sure they are just heating up a precooked frozen chicken breast. But
    >>>> when I
    >>>> buy those, she won't eat them.
    >>>
    >>> Why not buy a whole fresh raw chicken and roast it. Depending on
    >>> her
    >>> tastes there are lots of ways to add flavour; a cut lemon in the body
    >>> cavity, or garlic slivers, or herbs rubbed over the skin.
    >>>
    >>> After roast chicken dinner there's enough left for sandwiches or some
    >>> kind of chicken+ vegetable pie, curry, or pasta bake. The carcase can
    >>> then be simmered to make a wonderful stock for soup.
    >>>
    >>> Far more economical than buying precooked chicken breasts.

    >>
    >> I agree with you, Janet. Start with a raw fresh chicken and go from
    >> there.
    >>

    > Common sense advice. Of course her daughter won't like it... I have no
    > idea how old this girl is but it sounds to me if she's so darn picky she
    > needs to learn how to cook for herself.
    >
    > Jill


    She should just take the kid to the restaurant with the chicken she will
    eat, and leave her there.



  7. #7
    Julie Bove Guest

    Default Re: Well on my way to cheap eats.

    Janet wrote:
    > In article <kc8r6i$vts$[email protected]>, [email protected]
    > says...
    >
    >> Now I just have to continue my quest for some kind of chicken that
    >> daughter will eat. She will eat it at a restaurant and in some
    >> cases I am pretty sure they are just heating up a precooked frozen
    >> chicken breast. But when I buy those, she won't eat them.

    >
    > Why not buy a whole fresh raw chicken and roast it. Depending on
    > her tastes there are lots of ways to add flavour; a cut lemon in the
    > body cavity, or garlic slivers, or herbs rubbed over the skin.


    Now that would be wasteful. Not that I would do it because I will just not
    cook a whole bird or even usually things with bones in it. Just disgusts me
    to look at it. And daughter won't eat things with bones. And nobody in
    this house eats roast chicken. I did bring home rotissary chickens maybe
    three time and wound up having to throw them out every time. Husband did
    little more than pick at it and say that it was no good and daughter didn't
    like it either. I bought different flavors at different stores. Frankly I
    don't think I have ever even *eaten* a roast chicken. It is nothing we ever
    had at home. I don't think my mom ever even bought a whole chicken other
    than those Rock Cornish Game hens and oh how I hated those. I would do
    everything in my power to avoid eating the thing.
    >
    > After roast chicken dinner there's enough left for sandwiches or some
    > kind of chicken+ vegetable pie, curry, or pasta bake. The carcase can
    > then be simmered to make a wonderful stock for soup.


    Nobody would eat a chicken sandwich in this house. Daughter and I don't
    like sandwiches and husband does but doesn't like chicken. Not that he's
    home because he's not. We don't eat curry. I take it that is common where
    you live. It's not common here and we don't like the taste of it. We don't
    eat pie. Daughter will eat chicken and pasta but I can't eat chicken at all
    so when I make it for her, it's canned chicken and she does like that. She
    won't eat soup either unless she is really sick and I tell her she has to.
    So no need for chicken stock.
    >
    > Far more economical than buying precooked chicken breasts.


    No it's not because assuming I could even bring myself to do such a thing,
    it would wind up in the trash because nobody would eat it. Daughter only
    likes boneless, skinless chicken breasts, plain with perhaps only a touch of
    lemon, salt and pepper. No other seasonings. And they have to be cooked in
    some sort of way I have yet to achieve. If there is cheese, or sauce, or
    other herbs or anything else, she won't eat it.

    The only way I ever came up with to cook it that she would eat was in the
    chicken Vesuvio. But when she found out there was wine in the recipe she
    refused to eat it. I tried to make it without the wine but it was just not
    good. That's all a moot point now though since that recipe doesn't fit with
    the South Beach diet. And yes, there was sauce in that recipe but there
    were other things mixed into it.



  8. #8
    Julie Bove Guest

    Default Re: Well on my way to cheap eats.

    Gary wrote:
    > Janet wrote:
    >
    >> In article <kc8r6i$vts$[email protected]>, [email protected]
    >> says...
    >>
    >>> Now I just have to continue my quest for some kind of chicken that
    >>> daughter will eat. She will eat it at a restaurant and in some
    >>> cases I am pretty sure they are just heating up a precooked frozen
    >>> chicken breast. But when I buy those, she won't eat them.

    >>
    >> Why not buy a whole fresh raw chicken and roast it. Depending on
    >> her tastes there are lots of ways to add flavour; a cut lemon in the
    >> body cavity, or garlic slivers, or herbs rubbed over the skin.
    >>
    >> After roast chicken dinner there's enough left for sandwiches or
    >> some kind of chicken+ vegetable pie, curry, or pasta bake. The
    >> carcase can then be simmered to make a wonderful stock for soup.
    >>
    >> Far more economical than buying precooked chicken breasts.

    >
    > I agree with you, Janet. Start with a raw fresh chicken and go from
    > there.


    That just makes no sense. She only likes the boneless, skinless breast. I
    would have no use for the whole rest of the chicken. Nobody would eat it.
    Why buy stuff that nobody will eat?



  9. #9
    Julie Bove Guest

    Default Re: Well on my way to cheap eats.

    jmcquown wrote:
    > On 1/5/2013 9:15 AM, Gary wrote:
    >> Janet wrote:
    >>
    >>> In article <kc8r6i$vts$[email protected]>, [email protected]
    >>> says...
    >>>> Now I just have to continue my quest for some kind of chicken that
    >>>> daughter will eat. She will eat it at a restaurant and in some
    >>>> cases I am pretty sure they are just heating up a precooked frozen
    >>>> chicken breast. But when I buy those, she won't eat them.
    >>>
    >>> Why not buy a whole fresh raw chicken and roast it. Depending
    >>> on her tastes there are lots of ways to add flavour; a cut lemon in
    >>> the body cavity, or garlic slivers, or herbs rubbed over the skin.
    >>>
    >>> After roast chicken dinner there's enough left for sandwiches or
    >>> some kind of chicken+ vegetable pie, curry, or pasta bake. The
    >>> carcase can then be simmered to make a wonderful stock for soup.
    >>>
    >>> Far more economical than buying precooked chicken breasts.

    >>
    >> I agree with you, Janet. Start with a raw fresh chicken and go from
    >> there.

    > Common sense advice. Of course her daughter won't like it... I have
    > no idea how old this girl is but it sounds to me if she's so darn
    > picky she needs to learn how to cook for herself.


    She's 14 and does not want to cook. She does know how to make a few things
    because I forced her to learn. These days you really don't have to cook to
    eat. Most people I know do not cook. And they don't teach it in schools
    here any more either. And how is it common sense to cook parts of the
    chicken that nobody would eat?

    When I was a kid, I hated chicken and if forced to eat it, I would eat only
    a couple of bites of the white meat. Aside from when I was really young,
    like a toddler, I would not eat the dark meat. There is a story of me
    eating a drumstick in a restaurant and not wanting to give up the bone. I
    was too young to remember.

    I do remember getting into a horrid fight when my grandma was babysitting me
    and she tried to force me to eat a drumstick because that was the part that
    went to the children. I just would not eat it. My dad walked in on the
    scene, asked what the problem was and then took me out for a roast beef
    dinner. My grandma was livid. But... I rather lived a Princessy existance
    as a child when the finances allowed. Yes, we had lean times because my dad
    worked for Boeing. And they were known to cut hours at times.



  10. #10
    Chemo Guest

    Default Re: Well on my way to cheap eats.

    On Jan 5, 1:02*pm, "Julie Bove" <julieb...@frontier.com> wrote:
    > jmcquown wrote:
    > > On 1/5/2013 9:15 AM, Gary wrote:
    > >> Janet wrote:

    >
    > >>> In article <kc8r6i$vt...@dont-email.me>, julieb...@frontier.com
    > >>> says...
    > >>>> Now I just have to continue my quest for some kind of chicken that
    > >>>> daughter will eat. *She will eat it at a restaurant and in some
    > >>>> cases I am pretty sure they are just heating up a precooked frozen
    > >>>> chicken breast. *But when I buy those, she won't eat them.

    >
    > >>> * * *Why not buy a whole fresh raw chicken and roast it. Depending
    > >>> on her tastes there are lots of ways to add flavour; a cut lemon in
    > >>> the body cavity, or garlic slivers, or herbs rubbed over the skin.

    >
    > >>> * After roast chicken dinner there's enough left for sandwiches or
    > >>> some kind of chicken+ vegetable pie, curry, or *pasta bake. The
    > >>> carcase can then be simmered to make a wonderful stock for soup.

    >
    > >>> * * Far more economical than buying precooked chicken breasts.

    >
    > >> I agree with you, Janet. *Start with a raw fresh chicken and go from
    > >> there.

    > > Common sense advice. *Of course her daughter won't like it... *I have
    > > no idea how old this girl is but it sounds to me if she's so darn
    > > picky she needs to learn how to cook for herself.

    >
    > She's 14 and does not want to cook. *She does know how to make a few things
    > because I forced her to learn. *These days you really don't have to cook to
    > eat. *Most people I know do not cook. *And they don't teach it in schools
    > here any more either. *And how is it common sense to cook parts of the
    > chicken that nobody would eat?
    >
    > When I was a kid, I hated chicken and if forced to eat it, I would eat only
    > a couple of bites of the white meat. *Aside from when I was really young,
    > like a toddler, I would not eat the dark meat. *There is a story of me
    > eating a drumstick in a restaurant and not wanting to give up the bone. *I
    > was too young to remember.
    >
    > I do remember getting into a horrid fight when my grandma was babysittingme
    > and she tried to force me to eat a drumstick because that was the part that
    > went to the children. *I just would not eat it. *My dad walked in on the
    > scene, asked what the problem was and then took me out for a roast beef
    > dinner. *My grandma was livid. *But... *I rather lived a Princessy existance
    > as a child when the finances allowed. *Yes, we had lean times because my dad
    > worked for Boeing. *And they were known to cut hours at times.


    I can't imagine anyone who doesn't like chicken. Why don't you like it?

  11. #11
    Susan Guest

    Default Re: Well on my way to cheap eats.

    x-no-archive: yes

    On 1/5/2013 4:16 PM, Chemo wrote:

    > I can't imagine anyone who doesn't like chicken. Why don't you like it?


    In the past, Julie has said that she refuses to make raw chicken because
    she can't bring herself to handle it.

    So who, exactly, is supposed to teach that child to cook?

    Susan

  12. #12
    jmcquown Guest

    Default Re: Well on my way to cheap eats.

    On 1/5/2013 4:41 PM, Susan wrote:
    > x-no-archive: yes
    >
    > On 1/5/2013 4:16 PM, Chemo wrote:
    >
    >> I can't imagine anyone who doesn't like chicken. Why don't you like it?

    >
    > In the past, Julie has said that she refuses to make raw chicken because
    > she can't bring herself to handle it.
    >
    > So who, exactly, is supposed to teach that child to cook?
    >
    > Susan


    Apparently no one.

    I don't care much for chicken, either. When I was growing up my mother
    made it about once a week. Usually baked chicken breast halves, on the
    bone. Egg wash, pre-seasoned breadcrumbs, garlic powder. It wasn't my
    favourite thing but it would never have occurred to me to tell her not
    to make it. I wasn't in charge of the kitchen, she was.

    As an adult, it's my decision whether or not I cook and eat chicken. As
    a kid, I wasn't the one paying the bills or doing the cooking so nope,
    not my decision. It appears Julie is raising her child to think she's
    the one in charge. Wait until the kid gets out in the real world and
    finds out things just don't work that way.

    BTW, I do cook chicken from time to time. Usually chicken thighs which
    are much more moist.

    Jill

  13. #13
    Susan Guest

    Default Re: Well on my way to cheap eats.

    x-no-archive: yes

    On 1/5/2013 5:40 PM, jmcquown wrote:

    > I don't care much for chicken, either. When I was growing up my mother
    > made it about once a week. Usually baked chicken breast halves, on the
    > bone. Egg wash, pre-seasoned breadcrumbs, garlic powder. It wasn't my
    > favourite thing but it would never have occurred to me to tell her not
    > to make it. I wasn't in charge of the kitchen, she was.


    I know, right?

    We had the same meals on the same days each week except for nights my
    mother felt like experimenting or seasonal changes, like stew or meat
    loaf that we only had in cool weather. Friday was chicken, Saturday steak...

    > As an adult, it's my decision whether or not I cook and eat chicken. As
    > a kid, I wasn't the one paying the bills or doing the cooking so nope,
    > not my decision. It appears Julie is raising her child to think she's
    > the one in charge. Wait until the kid gets out in the real world and
    > finds out things just don't work that way.



    > BTW, I do cook chicken from time to time. Usually chicken thighs which
    > are much more moist.


    I love chicken, especially high temp roasting for very crisp, well
    seasoned skin... Tom likes white meat, I like dark, especially thighs.
    When I cook, I only buy natural, free range chicken, but my guilty
    pleasure for when I don't feel well is Boston Market dark quarters.

    I agree that it has the most flavor, though I do manage to roast chicken
    with moist breast meat. And it must be cooked on the bone, even if I
    remove it afterward and use the meat for another purpose.
    Tastes better, stays moister that way, right?

    Susan

  14. #14
    Janet Guest

    Default Re: Well on my way to cheap eats.

    In article <kca42p$iik$[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
    >
    > Gary wrote:
    > > Janet wrote:
    > >
    > >> In article <kc8r6i$vts$[email protected]>, [email protected]
    > >> says...
    > >>
    > >>> Now I just have to continue my quest for some kind of chicken that
    > >>> daughter will eat. She will eat it at a restaurant and in some
    > >>> cases I am pretty sure they are just heating up a precooked frozen
    > >>> chicken breast. But when I buy those, she won't eat them.
    > >>
    > >> Why not buy a whole fresh raw chicken and roast it. Depending on
    > >> her tastes there are lots of ways to add flavour; a cut lemon in the
    > >> body cavity, or garlic slivers, or herbs rubbed over the skin.
    > >>
    > >> After roast chicken dinner there's enough left for sandwiches or
    > >> some kind of chicken+ vegetable pie, curry, or pasta bake. The
    > >> carcase can then be simmered to make a wonderful stock for soup.
    > >>
    > >> Far more economical than buying precooked chicken breasts.

    > >
    > > I agree with you, Janet. Start with a raw fresh chicken and go from
    > > there.

    >
    > That just makes no sense. She only likes the boneless, skinless breast.


    So slice the breast and peel off the skin. DUH.

    Janet.


  15. #15
    jmcquown Guest

    Default Re: Well on my way to cheap eats.

    On 1/5/2013 5:58 PM, Susan wrote:
    > x-no-archive: yes
    >
    > On 1/5/2013 5:40 PM, jmcquown wrote:
    >
    >> I don't care much for chicken, either. When I was growing up my mother
    >> made it about once a week. Usually baked chicken breast halves, on the
    >> bone. Egg wash, pre-seasoned breadcrumbs, garlic powder. It wasn't my
    >> favourite thing but it would never have occurred to me to tell her not
    >> to make it. I wasn't in charge of the kitchen, she was.

    >
    > I know, right?
    >
    > We had the same meals on the same days each week except for nights my
    > mother felt like experimenting or seasonal changes, like stew or meat
    > loaf that we only had in cool weather. Friday was chicken, Saturday
    > steak...
    >
    >> As an adult, it's my decision whether or not I cook and eat chicken. As
    >> a kid, I wasn't the one paying the bills or doing the cooking so nope,
    >> not my decision.

    >
    >> BTW, I do cook chicken from time to time. Usually chicken thighs which
    >> are much more moist.

    >
    > I love chicken, especially high temp roasting for very crisp, well
    > seasoned skin... Tom likes white meat, I like dark, especially thighs.
    > When I cook, I only buy natural, free range chicken, but my guilty
    > pleasure for when I don't feel well is Boston Market dark quarters.
    >
    > I agree that it has the most flavor, though I do manage to roast chicken
    > with moist breast meat. And it must be cooked on the bone, even if I
    > remove it afterward and use the meat for another purpose.
    > Tastes better, stays moister that way, right?
    >
    > Susan


    That's been my experience, yes.

    Jill

  16. #16
    Janet Guest

    Default Re: Well on my way to cheap eats.

    In article <kca3vn$i01$[email protected]>, [email protected] says...

    I will just not
    > cook a whole bird or even usually things with bones in it. daughter

    won't eat things with bones... nobody in this house eats roast chicken.
    .... Nobody would eat a chicken sandwich in this house.... Daughter and
    I don't like sandwiches.. We don't eat curry.... We don't
    > eat pie.... She won't eat soup ...


    Just listen to yourself.

    Janet UK





  17. #17
    Janet Guest

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  18. #18
    jmcquown Guest

    Default Re: Well on my way to cheap eats.

    On 1/5/2013 6:21 PM, Janet wrote:
    > In article <kca3vn$i01$[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
    >
    > I will just not
    >> cook a whole bird or even usually things with bones in it. daughter

    > won't eat things with bones... nobody in this house eats roast chicken.
    > ... Nobody would eat a chicken sandwich in this house.... Daughter and
    > I don't like sandwiches.. We don't eat curry.... We don't
    >> eat pie.... She won't eat soup ...

    >
    > Just listen to yourself.
    >
    > Janet UK
    >
    >

    All I hear is white noise.

    Jill

  19. #19
    Dave Smith Guest

    Default Re: Well on my way to cheap eats.

    On 05/01/2013 6:21 PM, Janet wrote:
    > In article <kca3vn$i01$[email protected]>, [email protected] says...
    >
    > I will just not
    >> cook a whole bird or even usually things with bones in it. daughter

    > won't eat things with bones... nobody in this house eats roast chicken.
    > ... Nobody would eat a chicken sandwich in this house.... Daughter and
    > I don't like sandwiches.. We don't eat curry.... We don't
    >> eat pie.... She won't eat soup ...

    >
    > Just listen to yourself.
    >
    > Janet UK
    >
    >



    No no Janet. You have it wrong. She lives to have you listen to her.



  20. #20
    Dave Smith Guest

    Default Re: Well on my way to cheap eats.

    On 05/01/2013 6:08 PM, Janet wrote:

    >>> I agree with you, Janet. Start with a raw fresh chicken and go from
    >>> there.

    >>
    >> That just makes no sense. She only likes the boneless, skinless breast.

    >
    > So slice the breast and peel off the skin. DUH.
    >



    She is the Bovine's daughter. She is not bright enough to figure that
    out. She comes by it honestly.


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