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  1. #1
    Edwin Pawlowski Guest

    Default Wedgwood - Waterford in trouble

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090105/...rford_wedgwood

    LONDON - Waterford Wedgwood PLC, the maker of classic china and crystal,
    filed for bankruptcy protection on Monday after attempts to restructure the
    struggling business or find a buyer failed.

    Four administrators from business advisory firm Deloitte were appointed to
    run the company's businesses in Britain and Northern Ireland, while a
    Deloitte partner in the Irish Republic was appointed as receiver of
    Waterford Wedgwood PLC, the ultimate parent of the U.K. companies, and other
    Irish subsidiaries.

    The U.K. joint administrators said they intended to continue to run the
    business as they seek a buyer. Trading in the company's shares was suspended
    on the Irish Stock Exchange where they languished at just one-tenth of a
    euro cent and the company's directors - including Anthony O'Reilly, the
    Irish publishing magnate who along with his brother-in-law Peter Goulandris
    owns more than half of all Waterford Wedgwood shares - handed in their
    resignations



  2. #2
    Sheldon Guest

    Default Re: Wedgwood - Waterford in trouble

    "Edwin Pawlowski" wrote:
    > http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090105/...ain_waterford_...
    >
    > LONDON - Waterford Wedgwood PLC, the maker of classic china
    > and crystal, filed for bankruptcy protection on Monday after attempts
    > to restructure the struggling business or find a buyer failed.



    People don't buy those products anymore, not since the advent of fast
    food... for years now folks have been conditioned to thinking fine
    dining acootiements are made of styrofoam, and the closest thing to
    fine crystal is saran wrap.

    I just spent the last few days researching which handheld showerhead
    to buy, today they're all plastic, thin crappy plastic. I had a
    Teledyne Waterpic showerhead for some 20 years and finally it cracked
    and sprung a leak I couldn't repair even with Gorilla Glue. So
    naturally I ordered a new one... well, the plastic is now so thin it
    weighs no more than an egg shell, and the fittings are thin crappy
    plastic too (the fittings on the old one are solid brass with real
    chrome plating). I can buy a solid brass showerhead but not a hand-
    held type, those are all made entirely of crappy thin plastic. And
    when I phoned the various manufacturers their customer service
    personel become all huffy when I voiced my displeasure about how their
    products are now plastic.. in fact they argued with me that their
    products are "chrome"... they are not chrome, they are made of plastic
    and coated with a plastic film that looks like chrome. Anyway I ended
    up ordering this, in hopes it can be installed and not leak like the
    Waterpic: http://tinyurl.com/8xdvfd

    http://www.amazon.com/Delta-75580-In...1008970&sr=1-2

    But now getting back to Waterford... I have (had) one of their crystal
    picture frames... the glass part is fine but the easel insert that
    holds the picure in and props up the whole deal after some 20 years
    finally gave way... remember those black shoelaces I got from the
    dollar store, my attempt to repair the frame backing. Well I called
    Waterford to find out how I could buy a new insert (it's just a
    cardboard thingie with swivel clips that hold it to the glass and the
    hinged support), I figured how much could it cost, wrong thinking,
    it's not available at any price... the anwser I got from Waterford's
    customer service is that essentially I'd have to toss the entire thing
    and buy new... and she was so surly, not at all helpful or apologetic,
    in fact she actually told me that I used it for twenty years, wasn't
    that enough? duh. I will never again buy Waterford, and I suppose now
    neither will anyone else... they deserve to have failed. Right after
    that conversation with Waterford's cutomer service (no service) I
    tossed the entire crystal frame in the trash... the photo is now in a
    simple inexpensive wood frame I think made in the Philippines, and I
    like it better than that bulky grotesque hunk of way over priced
    bottle glass

    I firmly believe this is the reason why so many companies are failing,
    they don't give a crap about their customers, and the greedy bastards
    have cheapened their products to the point that they are not fit for
    their intended use. I have no pity for the miserable creeps going
    kaput, good riddance to bad rubbish. Folks will never miss Waterford.




  3. #3
    Jean B. Guest

    Default Re: Wedgwood - Waterford in trouble

    Sheldon wrote:
    > "Edwin Pawlowski" wrote:
    >> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090105/...ain_waterford_...
    >>
    >> LONDON - Waterford Wedgwood PLC, the maker of classic china
    >> and crystal, filed for bankruptcy protection on Monday after attempts
    >> to restructure the struggling business or find a buyer failed.

    >
    >
    > People don't buy those products anymore, not since the advent of fast
    > food... for years now folks have been conditioned to thinking fine
    > dining acootiements are made of styrofoam, and the closest thing to
    > fine crystal is saran wrap.
    >
    > I just spent the last few days researching which handheld showerhead
    > to buy, today they're all plastic, thin crappy plastic. I had a
    > Teledyne Waterpic showerhead for some 20 years and finally it cracked
    > and sprung a leak I couldn't repair even with Gorilla Glue. So
    > naturally I ordered a new one... well, the plastic is now so thin it
    > weighs no more than an egg shell, and the fittings are thin crappy
    > plastic too (the fittings on the old one are solid brass with real
    > chrome plating). I can buy a solid brass showerhead but not a hand-
    > held type, those are all made entirely of crappy thin plastic. And
    > when I phoned the various manufacturers their customer service
    > personel become all huffy when I voiced my displeasure about how their
    > products are now plastic.. in fact they argued with me that their
    > products are "chrome"... they are not chrome, they are made of plastic
    > and coated with a plastic film that looks like chrome. Anyway I ended
    > up ordering this, in hopes it can be installed and not leak like the
    > Waterpic: http://tinyurl.com/8xdvfd
    >
    > http://www.amazon.com/Delta-75580-In...1008970&sr=1-2
    >
    > But now getting back to Waterford... I have (had) one of their crystal
    > picture frames... the glass part is fine but the easel insert that
    > holds the picure in and props up the whole deal after some 20 years
    > finally gave way... remember those black shoelaces I got from the
    > dollar store, my attempt to repair the frame backing. Well I called
    > Waterford to find out how I could buy a new insert (it's just a
    > cardboard thingie with swivel clips that hold it to the glass and the
    > hinged support), I figured how much could it cost, wrong thinking,
    > it's not available at any price... the anwser I got from Waterford's
    > customer service is that essentially I'd have to toss the entire thing
    > and buy new... and she was so surly, not at all helpful or apologetic,
    > in fact she actually told me that I used it for twenty years, wasn't
    > that enough? duh. I will never again buy Waterford, and I suppose now
    > neither will anyone else... they deserve to have failed. Right after
    > that conversation with Waterford's cutomer service (no service) I
    > tossed the entire crystal frame in the trash... the photo is now in a
    > simple inexpensive wood frame I think made in the Philippines, and I
    > like it better than that bulky grotesque hunk of way over priced
    > bottle glass
    >
    > I firmly believe this is the reason why so many companies are failing,
    > they don't give a crap about their customers, and the greedy bastards
    > have cheapened their products to the point that they are not fit for
    > their intended use. I have no pity for the miserable creeps going
    > kaput, good riddance to bad rubbish. Folks will never miss Waterford.
    >
    >
    >

    I find the original subject sad, but in general you have a VERY
    good point.

    --
    Jean B.

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    Sheldon Guest

    Default Re: Wedgwood - Waterford in trouble

    On Jan 6, 11:28�am, "Jean B." <jb...@rcn.com> wrote:
    > Sheldon wrote:
    > > "Edwin Pawlowski" wrote:
    > >>http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090105/...ain_waterford_....

    >
    > >> LONDON - Waterford Wedgwood PLC, the maker of classic china
    > >> and crystal, filed for bankruptcy protection on Monday after attempts
    > >> to restructure the struggling business or find a buyer failed.

    >
    > > People don't buy those products anymore, not since the advent of fast
    > > food... for years now folks have been conditioned to thinking fine
    > > dining acootiements are made of styrofoam, and the closest thing to
    > > fine crystal is saran wrap.

    >
    > > I just spent the last few days researching which handheld showerhead
    > > to buy, today they're all plastic, thin crappy plastic. �I had a
    > > Teledyne Waterpic showerhead for some 20 years and finally it cracked
    > > and sprung a leak I couldn't repair even with Gorilla Glue. �So
    > > naturally I ordered a new one... well, the plastic is now so thin it
    > > weighs no more than an egg shell, and the fittings are thin crappy
    > > plastic too (the fittings on the old one are solid brass with real
    > > chrome plating). �I can buy a solid brass showerhead but not a hand-
    > > held type, those are all made entirely of crappy thin plastic. �And
    > > when I phoned the various manufacturers their customer service
    > > personel become all huffy when I voiced my displeasure about how their
    > > products are now plastic.. in fact they argued with me that their
    > > products are "chrome"... they are not chrome, they are made of plastic
    > > and coated with a plastic film that looks like chrome. �Anyway I ended
    > > up ordering this, in hopes it can be installed and not leak like the
    > > Waterpic: �http://tinyurl.com/8xdvfd

    >
    > >http://www.amazon.com/Delta-75580-In...hower/dp/B000L...

    >
    > > But now getting back to Waterford... I have (had) one of their crystal
    > > picture frames... the glass part is fine but the easel insert that
    > > holds the picure in and props up the whole deal after some 20 years
    > > finally gave way... remember those black shoelaces I got from the
    > > dollar store, my attempt to repair the frame backing. �Well I called
    > > Waterford to find out how I could buy a new insert (it's just a
    > > cardboard thingie with swivel clips that hold it to the glass and the
    > > hinged support), � I figured how much could it cost, wrong thinking,
    > > it's not available at any price... the anwser I got from Waterford's
    > > customer service is that essentially I'd have to toss the entire thing
    > > and buy new... and she was so surly, not at all helpful or apologetic,
    > > in fact she actually told me that I used it for twenty years, wasn't
    > > that enough? duh. �I will never again buy Waterford, and I suppose now
    > > neither will anyone else... they deserve to have failed. �Rightafter
    > > that conversation with Waterford's cutomer service (no service) I
    > > tossed the entire crystal frame in the trash... the photo is now in a
    > > simple inexpensive wood frame I think made in the Philippines, and I
    > > like it better than that bulky grotesque hunk of way over priced
    > > bottle glass

    >
    > > I firmly believe this is the reason why so many companies are failing,
    > > they don't give a crap about their customers, and the greedy bastards
    > > have cheapened their products to the point that they are not fit for
    > > their intended use. �I have no pity for the miserable creeps going
    > > kaput, good riddance to bad rubbish. �Folks will never miss Waterford.

    >
    > I find the original subject sad, but in general you have a VERY
    > good point.


    No one needs Waterford crystal. The picture frame was a gift, I would
    never buy such a thing. By not selling the backings Waterford gave me
    the perfect excuse to dispose of that grotesque glass frame... I was
    tired of wasting Windex on it.

  5. #5
    Janet Guest

    Default Re: Wedgwood - Waterford in trouble

    Wedgewood's design went to the dogs when they were taken over by/merged with
    Waterford. Suddenly they became blandsville. I love china, but I would be
    hard pressed to find a newer pattern of theirs that would interest me.

    Waterford still makes great stuff, but they also make the cheaper, bland
    stuff with no character.

    In general, leaning in the direction of bland design with little or no
    handwork, along the lines of Mikasa, Lenox, and the like.



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    Michael \Dog3\ Guest

    Default Re: Wedgwood - Waterford in trouble

    "Jean B." <[email protected]> news:[email protected]: in
    rec.food.cooking

    > Sheldon wrote:
    >> "Edwin Pawlowski" wrote:
    >>> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090105/...ain_waterford_
    >>> ...
    >>>
    >>> LONDON - Waterford Wedgwood PLC, the maker of classic china
    >>> and crystal, filed for bankruptcy protection on Monday after
    >>> attempts to restructure the struggling business or find a buyer
    >>> failed.


    <snip for space>

    >> People don't buy those products anymore, not since the advent of fast
    >> food... for years now folks have been conditioned to thinking fine
    >> dining acootiements are made of styrofoam, and the closest thing to
    >> fine crystal is saran wrap.


    Oh yes they do buy it. Lots of it. People are sucked in by the name of
    "Waterford". I worked for The Irish Crystal Company part time for well
    over a year. It was a real neat experience. I learned much about the
    crystal trade. I learned a great deal about the manufacture process as
    well.

    <snip shower head horror story for space and story about nasty Waterford
    CS rep>

    >> I will never again buy Waterford,
    >> and I suppose now neither will anyone else... they deserve to have
    >> failed. Right after that conversation with Waterford's cutomer
    >> service (no service) I tossed the entire crystal frame in the
    >> trash... the photo is now in a simple inexpensive wood frame I think
    >> made in the Philippines, and I like it better than that bulky
    >> grotesque hunk of way over priced bottle glass
    >>
    >> I firmly believe this is the reason why so many companies are
    >> failing, they don't give a crap about their customers, and the greedy
    >> bastards have cheapened their products to the point that they are not
    >> fit for their intended use. I have no pity for the miserable creeps
    >> going kaput, good riddance to bad rubbish. Folks will never miss
    >> Waterford.
    >>
    >>
    >>

    > I find the original subject sad, but in general you have a VERY
    > good point.


    Sheldon has an excellent point. More than excellent actually. I don't
    recall the exact year but Waterford went through reorganization back in
    the late 70s or early 80s. They had a severe financial crunch. They laid
    off many of their craftsmen who in turn, started their own company called
    Heritage Crystal. In order to expandand and stay profitable, Waterford
    decided to minimize their craftsmanship and go to machine made crystal.
    This was the beginning of their demise IMO. When you pick up a piece of
    Waterford look on the box where it was made. You'll find many of the
    items are made in places like Belgravia etc. These are all machine made
    products. None of these items are hand blown by the craftsmen in
    Ireland. I'm not even sure some of the items marked made in Ireland are
    hand blown. Waterford then decided to diversify into other areas. They
    are making Xmas ornaments and a lot of other items. Machine made. At
    that point, Waterford was a household name and that is what was allowing
    them to hang on. Waterford's product has been cheapened to the point of
    no return. You'll be paying for the name of Waterford and certainly not
    the quality of the item. I suspect you'll be seeing Waterford in
    discount stores soon. Much like the Martha Stewart line. Although the
    circumstances for the Stewart line are much different than the Waterford
    line will be.

    Heritage has always been superior crystal IMO. It is all still hand
    blown and quite beautiful. Of course they don't have the millions of
    different items Waterford put out but when you buy Heritage you're buying
    an heirloom piece. Heritage has not tried to become a household name. At
    least not yet. When you look at comparable pieces of Waterford and
    Heritage you can tell the difference. There are a few Waterford lines
    out there that are still hand blown and still quite nice. These items I
    give as gifts on occassion. Looks like it'll be Heritage from now on.

    Michael
    --
    He who does not understand your silence will probably not understand
    your words.
    ~Elbert Hubbard

    You can find me at: - michael at lonergan dot us dot com

  7. #7
    James Silverton Guest

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    Janet wrote on Tue, 6 Jan 2009 12:06:12 -0500:

    > Waterford still makes great stuff, but they also make the
    > cheaper, bland stuff with no character.


    We received a full set of Wedgewood china as a wedding present many
    years ago. It was the shapes of the pieces that were attractive not the
    patterns and my mother bought unpatterned pieces as we requested. She
    was a bit disappointed, I think, but my daughter chose a restrained
    blue and gold pattern when her turn came. I don't remember the name.

    --

    James Silverton
    Potomac, Maryland

    Email, with obvious alterations: not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not


  8. #8
    Jean B. Guest

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    Sheldon wrote:
    > No one needs Waterford crystal. The picture frame was a gift, I would
    > never buy such a thing. By not selling the backings Waterford gave me
    > the perfect excuse to dispose of that grotesque glass frame... I was
    > tired of wasting Windex on it.


    True enough. But that is a lot of tradition potentially ending.
    Thus is life, I guess.

    Oh, I just remembered someone who fed his/her cat in crystal
    bowl. That sounded kind-of cute.

    --
    Jean B.

  9. #9
    Michael \Dog3\ Guest

    Default Re: Wedgwood - Waterford in trouble

    "Jean B." <[email protected]> news:[email protected]: in
    rec.food.cooking

    >
    > Oh, I just remembered someone who fed his/her cat in crystal
    > bowl. That sounded kind-of cute.


    All 4 of my cats line up at precisely 9pm for their evening snack, of
    exactly 5 pieces each, of Feline Greenies every night. They get their
    snacks in faux crystal bowls ;-) I bought 'em at Target. You can put them
    in the dishwasher.

    Michael

    --
    He who does not understand your silence will probably not understand your
    words.
    ~Elbert Hubbard

    You can find me at: - michael at lonergan dot us dot com

  10. #10
    Nancy2 Guest

    Default Re: Wedgwood - Waterford in trouble

    On Jan 6, 10:35*am, Sheldon <PENMAR...@aol.com> wrote:
    > On Jan 6, 11:28 am, "Jean B." <jb...@rcn.com> wrote:
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > > Sheldon wrote:
    > > > "Edwin Pawlowski" wrote:
    > > >>http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090105/...ain_waterford_....

    >
    > > >> LONDON - Waterford Wedgwood PLC, the maker of classic china
    > > >> and crystal, filed for bankruptcy protection on Monday after attempts
    > > >> to restructure the struggling business or find a buyer failed.

    >
    > > > People don't buy those products anymore, not since the advent of fast
    > > > food... for years now folks have been conditioned to thinking fine
    > > > dining acootiements are made of styrofoam, and the closest thing to
    > > > fine crystal is saran wrap.

    >
    > > > I just spent the last few days researching which handheld showerhead
    > > > to buy, today they're all plastic, thin crappy plastic. I had a
    > > > Teledyne Waterpic showerhead for some 20 years and finally it cracked
    > > > and sprung a leak I couldn't repair even with Gorilla Glue. So
    > > > naturally I ordered a new one... well, the plastic is now so thin it
    > > > weighs no more than an egg shell, and the fittings are thin crappy
    > > > plastic too (the fittings on the old one are solid brass with real
    > > > chrome plating). I can buy a solid brass showerhead but not a hand-
    > > > held type, those are all made entirely of crappy thin plastic. And
    > > > when I phoned the various manufacturers their customer service
    > > > personel become all huffy when I voiced my displeasure about how their
    > > > products are now plastic.. in fact they argued with me that their
    > > > products are "chrome"... they are not chrome, they are made of plastic
    > > > and coated with a plastic film that looks like chrome. Anyway I ended
    > > > up ordering this, in hopes it can be installed and not leak like the
    > > > Waterpic:http://tinyurl.com/8xdvfd

    >
    > > >http://www.amazon.com/Delta-75580-In...hower/dp/B000L....

    >
    > > > But now getting back to Waterford... I have (had) one of their crystal
    > > > picture frames... the glass part is fine but the easel insert that
    > > > holds the picure in and props up the whole deal after some 20 years
    > > > finally gave way... remember those black shoelaces I got from the
    > > > dollar store, my attempt to repair the frame backing. Well I called
    > > > Waterford to find out how I could buy a new insert (it's just a
    > > > cardboard thingie with swivel clips that hold it to the glass and the
    > > > hinged support), I figured how much could it cost, wrong thinking,
    > > > it's not available at any price... the anwser I got from Waterford's
    > > > customer service is that essentially I'd have to toss the entire thing
    > > > and buy new... and she was so surly, not at all helpful or apologetic,
    > > > in fact she actually told me that I used it for twenty years, wasn't
    > > > that enough? duh. I will never again buy Waterford, and I suppose now
    > > > neither will anyone else... they deserve to have failed. Right after
    > > > that conversation with Waterford's cutomer service (no service) I
    > > > tossed the entire crystal frame in the trash... the photo is now in a
    > > > simple inexpensive wood frame I think made in the Philippines, and I
    > > > like it better than that bulky grotesque hunk of way over priced
    > > > bottle glass

    >
    > > > I firmly believe this is the reason why so many companies are failing,
    > > > they don't give a crap about their customers, and the greedy bastards
    > > > have cheapened their products to the point that they are not fit for
    > > > their intended use. I have no pity for the miserable creeps going
    > > > kaput, good riddance to bad rubbish. Folks will never miss Waterford.

    >
    > > I find the original subject sad, but in general you have a VERY
    > > good point.

    >
    > No one needs Waterford crystal. *The picture frame was a gift, I would
    > never buy such a thing. *By not selling the backings Waterford gave me
    > the perfect excuse to dispose of that grotesque glass frame... I was
    > tired of wasting Windex on it.- Hide quoted text -
    >
    > - Show quoted text -


    You could have cut a new piece of cardboard to fit and then used clear
    caulk or hot glue to fasten it - permanently, yes, but it would have
    worked. You could have put a picture of your favoritist kitty in it,
    for all time. An easel back isn't that hard to make.

    N.

  11. #11
    Nancy2 Guest

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    > the quality of the item. *I suspect you'll be seeing Waterford in
    > discount stores soon. *Much like the Martha Stewart line. Although the
    > circumstances for the Stewart line are much different than the Waterford
    > line will be.
    >

    text -
    >
    > - Show quoted text -


    Actually, Martha isn't so discounted in some things - I like some of
    her table lamps (I'm shopping for new ones) and they run upwards of
    $300, and the designs are very clean and simple.

    N.

  12. #12
    Jean B. Guest

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    Michael "Dog3" wrote:
    > "Jean B." <[email protected]> news:[email protected]: in
    > rec.food.cooking
    >
    >> Oh, I just remembered someone who fed his/her cat in crystal
    >> bowl. That sounded kind-of cute.

    >
    > All 4 of my cats line up at precisely 9pm for their evening snack, of
    > exactly 5 pieces each, of Feline Greenies every night. They get their
    > snacks in faux crystal bowls ;-) I bought 'em at Target. You can put them
    > in the dishwasher.
    >
    > Michael
    >

    LOL! That sounds so cute--and the cats are so deserving of crystal!

    --
    Jean B.

  13. #13
    Sheldon Guest

    Default Re: Wedgwood - Waterford in trouble

    On Jan 6, 12:20�pm, "Michael \"Dog3\"" <don't...@donttell.huh> wrote:
    > "Jean B." <jb...@rcn.com> �news:[email protected]:in
    > rec.food.cooking
    >
    > > Sheldon wrote:
    > >> "Edwin Pawlowski" wrote:
    > >>>http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090105/...ain_waterford_
    > >>> ...

    >
    > >>> LONDON - Waterford Wedgwood PLC, the maker of classic china
    > >>> and crystal, filed for bankruptcy protection on Monday after
    > >>> attempts to restructure the struggling business or find a buyer
    > >>> failed.

    >
    > <snip for space>
    >
    > >> People don't buy those products anymore, not since the advent of fast
    > >> food... for years now folks have been conditioned to thinking fine
    > >> dining acootiements are made of styrofoam, and the closest thing to
    > >> fine crystal is saran wrap.

    >
    > Oh yes they do buy it. �Lots of it. People are sucked in by the name of
    > "Waterford". �I worked for The Irish Crystal Company part time for well
    > over a year. �It was a real neat experience. I learned much aboutthe
    > crystal trade. I learned a great deal about the manufacture process as
    > well.
    >
    > <snip shower head horror story for space and story about nasty Waterford
    > CS rep>
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > >> I will never again buy Waterford,
    > >> and I suppose now neither will anyone else... they deserve to have
    > >> failed. �Right after that conversation with Waterford's cutomer
    > >> service (no service) I tossed the entire crystal frame in the
    > >> trash... the photo is now in a simple inexpensive wood frame I think
    > >> made in the Philippines, and I like it better than that bulky
    > >> grotesque hunk of way over priced bottle glass

    >
    > >> I firmly believe this is the reason why so many companies are
    > >> failing, they don't give a crap about their customers, and the greedy
    > >> bastards have cheapened their products to the point that they are not
    > >> fit for their intended use. �I have no pity for the miserable creeps
    > >> going kaput, good riddance to bad rubbish. �Folks will never miss
    > >> Waterford.

    >
    > > I find the original subject sad, but in general you have a VERY
    > > good point.

    >
    > Sheldon has an excellent point. More than excellent actually. �I don't
    > recall the exact year but Waterford went through reorganization back in
    > the late 70s or early 80s. They had a severe financial crunch. �They laid
    > off many of their craftsmen who in turn, started their own company called
    > Heritage Crystal. In order to expandand and stay profitable, Waterford
    > decided to minimize their craftsmanship and go to machine made crystal.
    > This was the beginning of their demise IMO. �When you pick up a piece of
    > Waterford look on the box where it was made. You'll find many of the
    > items are made in places like Belgravia etc. �These are all machine made
    > products. �None of these items are hand blown by the craftsmen in
    > Ireland. I'm not even sure some of the items marked made in Ireland are
    > hand blown. �Waterford then decided to diversify into other areas.. �They
    > are making Xmas ornaments and a lot of other items. �Machine made.. �At
    > that point, Waterford was a household name and that is what was allowing
    > them to hang on. �Waterford's product has been cheapened to the point of
    > no return. You'll be paying for the name of Waterford and certainly not
    > the quality of the item. �I suspect you'll be seeing Waterford in
    > discount stores soon. �Much like the Martha Stewart line. Although the
    > circumstances for the Stewart line are much different than the Waterford
    > line will be.
    >
    > Heritage has always been superior crystal IMO. �It is all still hand
    > blown and quite beautiful. �Of course they don't have the millions of
    > different items Waterford put out but when you buy Heritage you're buying
    > an heirloom piece. Heritage has not tried to become a household name. At
    > least not yet. �When you look at comparable pieces of Waterford and
    > Heritage you can tell the difference. �There are a few Waterford lines
    > out there that are still hand blown and still quite nice. �These items I
    > give as gifts on occassion. �Looks like it'll be Heritage from now on.
    >
    > Michael


    Nowhere on the picture frame was it engraved with any identifying
    marks, only way I knew it was a Waterford product (doesn't mean they
    made it) is because I kept the box... in fact I at first had forgotten
    what brand it was. All my Lalique pieces are engraved with their name
    and serial number. I have many very nice crystal pieces of all types
    from barware to candy dishes to vases to whimsical artworks. But the
    entire crystal industry has been in decline ever since it was
    ascertained that lead is a big health problem. I no longer use my
    leaded crystal glassware and decanters, and neither should any of
    yoose.




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    Becca Guest

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    Michael "Dog3" wrote:

    > All 4 of my cats line up at precisely 9pm for their evening snack, of
    > exactly 5 pieces each, of Feline Greenies every night. They get their
    > snacks in faux crystal bowls ;-) I bought 'em at Target. You can put them
    > in the dishwasher.
    >
    > Michael


    Mine will line up for their treats, too. And they say you can't train cats.

    My cats are picky about their treats though. A cat will lick it's own
    ass, but it will not even taste a treat that I paid $2 for.

    Becca


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    Wayne Boatwright Guest

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    On Tue 06 Jan 2009 10:26:16a, Jean B. told us...

    > Sheldon wrote:
    >> No one needs Waterford crystal. The picture frame was a gift, I would
    >> never buy such a thing. By not selling the backings Waterford gave me
    >> the perfect excuse to dispose of that grotesque glass frame... I was
    >> tired of wasting Windex on it.

    >
    > True enough. But that is a lot of tradition potentially ending.
    > Thus is life, I guess.
    >
    > Oh, I just remembered someone who fed his/her cat in crystal
    > bowl. That sounded kind-of cute.
    >


    I'm glad I bought all of my good china and crystal in the 1960s.

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  16. #16
    Ed Pawlowski Guest

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    "Jean B." <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > Oh, I just remembered someone who fed his/her cat in crystal bowl. That
    > sounded kind-of cute.
    >
    > --
    > Jean B.


    Royal Doulton has a dog food bowl. In their outlet store it was $40. I
    never paid that much for a dog, let alone a bowl.



  17. #17
    Ed Pawlowski Guest

    Default Re: Wedgwood - Waterford in trouble


    "Sheldon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > But the
    > entire crystal industry has been in decline ever since it was
    > ascertained that lead is a big health problem. I no longer use my
    > leaded crystal glassware and decanters, and neither should any of
    > yoose.


    I no longer use the decanter as the liqour could sit in there for long
    periods sucking up lead. I still use the glassware since it is not very
    often and the liquid is only in there a short time. My last house had a
    lead water main from when it was build in the late 1940's. Still there when
    we sold it in 1981..





  18. #18
    Chris Marksberry Guest

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    "Ed Pawlowski" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    newsCR8l.16997$[email protected]..
    >
    > "Sheldon" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >> But the
    >> entire crystal industry has been in decline ever since it was
    >> ascertained that lead is a big health problem. I no longer use my
    >> leaded crystal glassware and decanters, and neither should any of
    >> yoose.

    >
    > I no longer use the decanter as the liqour could sit in there for long
    > periods sucking up lead. I still use the glassware since it is not very
    > often and the liquid is only in there a short time. My last house had a
    > lead water main from when it was build in the late 1940's. Still there
    > when we sold it in 1981..
    >


    We still use our Waterford stemware for the reasons you mentioned. IIRC
    when the warning came out about leaded crystal the recommendation was not to
    store liquors and liqueurs in decanters.



  19. #19
    Jean B. Guest

    Default Re: Wedgwood - Waterford in trouble

    Wayne Boatwright wrote:
    > On Tue 06 Jan 2009 10:26:16a, Jean B. told us...
    >
    >> Sheldon wrote:
    >>> No one needs Waterford crystal. The picture frame was a gift, I would
    >>> never buy such a thing. By not selling the backings Waterford gave me
    >>> the perfect excuse to dispose of that grotesque glass frame... I was
    >>> tired of wasting Windex on it.

    >> True enough. But that is a lot of tradition potentially ending.
    >> Thus is life, I guess.
    >>
    >> Oh, I just remembered someone who fed his/her cat in crystal
    >> bowl. That sounded kind-of cute.
    >>

    >
    > I'm glad I bought all of my good china and crystal in the 1960s.
    >

    I need nothing in that regard. I have my mom's lovely white
    china, and I have my Arabia and assorted other things for everyday
    use, including handmade plates, cups, glasses, etc. I am getting
    more into mismatched settings.

    --
    Jean B.

  20. #20
    T Guest

    Default Re: Wedgwood - Waterford in trouble

    In article <[email protected]>,
    don'[email protected] says...
    > "Jean B." <[email protected]> news:[email protected]: in
    > rec.food.cooking
    >
    > >
    > > Oh, I just remembered someone who fed his/her cat in crystal
    > > bowl. That sounded kind-of cute.

    >
    > All 4 of my cats line up at precisely 9pm for their evening snack, of
    > exactly 5 pieces each, of Feline Greenies every night. They get their
    > snacks in faux crystal bowls ;-) I bought 'em at Target. You can put them
    > in the dishwasher.
    >
    > Michael
    >
    >


    Nice! I'll have to get one for Angie. She's the only Felid in Residence
    at the moment.


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