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    Dimitri Guest

    Default Very OT passive do yourself in (caution)

    I wonder how many old folks do nothing when faced with as medical issue as a
    way of passive suicide?

    When I am tired of al this BS will I start smoking again?



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    Gloria P Guest

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    Dimitri wrote:
    > I wonder how many old folks do nothing when faced with as medical issue
    > as a way of passive suicide?
    >
    > When I am tired of al this BS will I start smoking again?
    >
    >



    People whom I know did something quicker, like
    refuse`any more dialysis, refuse treatment for
    chronic pneumonia, refuse to eat.

    I smoked for ten years and I wouldn't start again
    on a bet. I can't stand the smell of it now.

    gloria p

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    Tom Biasi Guest

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    "Dimitri" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:ifsDm.5823$[email protected]..
    >I wonder how many old folks do nothing when faced with as medical issue as
    >a way of passive suicide?
    >
    > When I am tired of al this BS will I start smoking again?
    >
    >

    Having seen many courageous people fight for their life, and lose, I can
    only say 'Good bye coward"

    Tom



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    123go Guest

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    "Dimitri" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:ifsDm.5823$[email protected]..
    > I wonder how many old folks do nothing when faced with as medical issue as

    a
    > way of passive suicide?


    based on how much money is wasted on unhelpful procedures in the last stages
    of life, I would say not enough.



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    pavane Guest

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    "Tom Biasi" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:4ade6869$0$4984$[email protected]..
    |
    | "Dimitri" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    | news:ifsDm.5823$[email protected]..
    | >I wonder how many old folks do nothing when faced with as medical issue as
    | >a way of passive suicide?
    | >
    | > When I am tired of al this BS will I start smoking again?
    | >
    | >
    | Having seen many courageous people fight for their life, and lose, I can
    | only say 'Good bye coward"

    Cowardice can also be a prolonged and actionless acceptance of
    impending death rather than an affirmative action to keep one's
    destiny in one's own hands. You may be insulting many courageous
    and decisive people who simply will not wait to see what further
    degradation life has to offer, but to exit with self-actuated dignity.

    pavane



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    Nancy Young Guest

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    Tom Biasi wrote:
    > "Dimitri" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:ifsDm.5823$[email protected]..
    >> I wonder how many old folks do nothing when faced with as medical
    >> issue as a way of passive suicide?
    >>
    >> When I am tired of al this BS will I start smoking again?


    > Having seen many courageous people fight for their life, and lose, I
    > can only say 'Good bye coward"


    Not everyone has such a strong will to live. When I see what lengths
    some people go through to live, I'm in awe. Usually those people
    have small children or some other motivation that makes them
    do anything to hold on. I can't fault anyone for accepting their
    fate, or for fighting. Surely we can make that decision for ourselves.

    nancy

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    Dave Smith Guest

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    Nancy Young wrote:

    >> Having seen many courageous people fight for their life, and lose, I
    >> can only say 'Good bye coward"

    >
    > Not everyone has such a strong will to live. When I see what lengths
    > some people go through to live, I'm in awe. Usually those people have
    > small children or some other motivation that makes them
    > do anything to hold on. I can't fault anyone for accepting their
    > fate, or for fighting. Surely we can make that decision for ourselves.



    Having watched a few people go through very painful deaths from cancers
    I have a hard time thinking of it as cowardice. It is one thing to have
    a condition that leaves you weak and feeble and something completely
    different to face excruciating pain and knowing that it just going to
    get worse and worse until the inevitable outcome.

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    Ed Pawlowski Guest

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    "Dimitri" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:ifsDm.5823$[email protected]..
    >I wonder how many old folks do nothing when faced with as medical issue as
    >a way of passive suicide?
    >
    > When I am tired of al this BS will I start smoking again?
    >
    >


    Plenty. I had a family member make a choice of no treatment for lung cancer
    when faced with the option of surgery. They would have removed most of one
    lung and it would have left her bedridden for the rest of her life that
    could easily have been 3 to 5 years. Or do nothing and still get around,
    perhaps for a shorter time. She lasted about 3 years, but with mobility.
    The last six weeks, however, were painful for her and the family around her.
    Don't smoke. Not a good way to go.

    CT is looking at modifying the laws for doctors so they can prescribe drug
    if you want to go.



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    Ranée at Arabian Knits Guest

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    In article <[email protected]>,
    "Ed Pawlowski" <[email protected]> wrote:

    > CT is looking at modifying the laws for doctors so they can prescribe drug
    > if you want to go.


    Why? Have they outlawed poison things, guns, knives and ropes?

    Regards,
    Ranee @ Arabian Knits

    "She seeks wool and flax, and works with willing hands." Prov 31:13

    http://arabianknits.blogspot.com/

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    Serene Vannoy Guest

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    Ranée at Arabian Knits wrote:
    > In article <[email protected]>,
    > "Ed Pawlowski" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >> CT is looking at modifying the laws for doctors so they can prescribe drug
    >> if you want to go.

    >
    > Why? Have they outlawed poison things, guns, knives and ropes?


    Killing oneself in those ways is messy, scary, and often results in
    maiming or severe illness, rather than the desired result.

    Serene

    --
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    "I tend to come down on the side of autonomy. Once people are grown up,
    I believe they have the right to go to hell in the handbasket of their
    choosing." -- Pat Kight, on alt.polyamory

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    Theron Guest

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    "Dimitri" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:ifsDm.5823$[email protected]..
    >I wonder how many old folks do nothing when faced with as medical issue as
    >a way of passive suicide?
    >
    > When I am tired of al this BS will I start smoking again?
    >
    >

    Living with the natural history of lung CA is a pretty ****ty way to end
    things.




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    sf Guest

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    On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 17:05:28 -0700, "Dimitri" <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    >I wonder how many old folks do nothing when faced with as medical issue as a
    >way of passive suicide?


    Or they go active - in starvation mode. It's cruel to hook them up,
    let them die in peace.
    >
    >When I am tired of al this BS will I start smoking again?
    >

    Too slow. Think of something else.



    --
    I love cooking with wine.
    Sometimes I even put it in the food.

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    sf Guest

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    On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 21:48:26 -0400, "Tom Biasi"
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    >
    >"Dimitri" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >news:ifsDm.5823$[email protected]..
    >>I wonder how many old folks do nothing when faced with as medical issue as
    >>a way of passive suicide?
    >>
    >> When I am tired of al this BS will I start smoking again?
    >>
    >>

    >Having seen many courageous people fight for their life, and lose, I can
    >only say 'Good bye coward"
    >

    I don't think he's talking about a young person. At the end of life,
    you need to know when to call it quits. Nobody lasts forever and if
    quality of life is gone, what's the point? Outliving friends and
    relatives, being kept alive by artificial means and/or in a nursing
    home... give me death because that's not the life I want to live.

    --
    I love cooking with wine.
    Sometimes I even put it in the food.

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    sf Guest

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    On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 22:53:22 -0400, "Ed Pawlowski" <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    >CT is looking at modifying the laws for doctors so they can prescribe drug
    >if you want to go.


    It's about time we came into the modern age.

    --
    I love cooking with wine.
    Sometimes I even put it in the food.

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    Tom Biasi Guest

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    "pavane" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:P3uDm.82878$[email protected]..
    >
    > "Tom Biasi" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:4ade6869$0$4984$[email protected]..
    > |
    > | "Dimitri" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > | news:ifsDm.5823$[email protected]..
    > | >I wonder how many old folks do nothing when faced with as medical issue
    > as
    > | >a way of passive suicide?
    > | >
    > | > When I am tired of al this BS will I start smoking again?
    > | >
    > | >
    > | Having seen many courageous people fight for their life, and lose, I can
    > | only say 'Good bye coward"
    >
    > Cowardice can also be a prolonged and actionless acceptance of
    > impending death rather than an affirmative action to keep one's
    > destiny in one's own hands. You may be insulting many courageous
    > and decisive people who simply will not wait to see what further
    > degradation life has to offer, but to exit with self-actuated dignity.
    >
    > pavane
    >
    >

    I take your point but I have a different view. Since neither really belongs
    here I will concede.

    Tom



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    blake murphy Guest

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    On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 22:29:24 -0400, Nancy Young wrote:

    > Tom Biasi wrote:
    >> "Dimitri" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >> news:ifsDm.5823$[email protected]..
    >>> I wonder how many old folks do nothing when faced with as medical
    >>> issue as a way of passive suicide?
    >>>
    >>> When I am tired of al this BS will I start smoking again?

    >
    >> Having seen many courageous people fight for their life, and lose, I
    >> can only say 'Good bye coward"

    >
    > Not everyone has such a strong will to live. When I see what lengths
    > some people go through to live, I'm in awe. Usually those people
    > have small children or some other motivation that makes them
    > do anything to hold on. I can't fault anyone for accepting their
    > fate, or for fighting. Surely we can make that decision for ourselves.
    >
    > nancy


    on the list of things that are none of my (or your) business, this may be
    on the top.

    your pal,
    blake


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    Gloria P Guest

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    sf wrote:
    > On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 21:48:26 -0400, "Tom Biasi"


    >>

    > I don't think he's talking about a young person. At the end of life,
    > you need to know when to call it quits. Nobody lasts forever and if
    > quality of life is gone, what's the point? Outliving friends and
    > relatives, being kept alive by artificial means and/or in a nursing
    > home... give me death because that's not the life I want to live.
    >




    But death is so...permanent.

    gloria p

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    cybercat Guest

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    "Gloria P" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]..
    > sf wrote:
    >> On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 21:48:26 -0400, "Tom Biasi"

    >
    >>>

    >> I don't think he's talking about a young person. At the end of life,
    >> you need to know when to call it quits. Nobody lasts forever and if
    >> quality of life is gone, what's the point? Outliving friends and
    >> relatives, being kept alive by artificial means and/or in a nursing
    >> home... give me death because that's not the life I want to live.
    >>

    >
    >
    >
    > But death is so...permanent.
    >

    Not necessarily.



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    maxine in ri Guest

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    On Oct 20, 8:05*pm, "Dimitri" <Dimitr...@prodigy.net> wrote:
    > I wonder how many old folks do nothing when faced with as medical issue as a
    > way of passive suicide?
    >
    > When I am tired of al this BS will I start smoking again?


    Personally, when I'm ready to die, I want to try heroin. Where an
    old, decrepit,sickly hag will find an honest pusher, I don't know.

    maxine in ri

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    maxine in ri Guest

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    On Oct 20, 10:29*pm, "Nancy Young" <rjynly...@comcast.net> wrote:
    > Tom Biasi wrote:
    > > "Dimitri" <Dimitr...@prodigy.net> wrote in message
    > >news:ifsDm.5823$[email protected]..
    > >> I wonder how many old folks do nothing when faced with as medical
    > >> issue as a way of passive suicide?

    >
    > >> When I am tired of al this BS will I start smoking again?

    > > Having seen many courageous people fight for their life, and lose, I
    > > can only say 'Good bye coward"

    >
    > Not everyone has such a strong will to live. *When I see what lengths
    > some people go through to live, I'm in awe. *Usually those people
    > have small children or some other motivation that makes them
    > do anything to hold on. *I can't fault anyone for accepting their
    > fate, or for fighting. *Surely we can make that decision for ourselves.
    >
    > nancy


    And then there's my Mom, who wants to know what's going to happen
    tomorrow, and to see her grandchildren (which she may have to live til
    120 to acheive!)

    maxine in ri

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