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  1. #121
    George Plimpton Guest

    Default Re: Vegetarian Breakfast Sausage (meatless sausage)

    On 10/10/2012 12:56 PM, dh@. wrote:
    > On Wed, 10 Oct 2012 07:33:24 -0700 (PDT), Rupert <[email protected]>
    > wrote:
    >
    >> It is just as easy to sensibly plan a vegan
    >> diet as an omnivorous one. Your opinions about vegans are just not
    >> especially well-informed; you don't really know what you're talking
    >> about.

    >
    > You don't contribute to any decent lives for livestock,


    Meaningless. He's not doing anything wrong or unethical thereby.


  2. #122
    George Plimpton Guest

    Default Re: Vegetarian Breakfast Sausage (meatless sausage)

    On 10/10/2012 12:56 PM, dh@. wrote:
    > On Wed, 10 Oct 2012 07:33:24 -0700 (PDT), Rupert <[email protected]>
    > wrote:
    >
    >> It is just as easy to sensibly plan a vegan
    >> diet as an omnivorous one. Your opinions about vegans are just not
    >> especially well-informed; you don't really know what you're talking
    >> about.

    >
    > You don't contribute to any decent lives for livestock,


    Neither do you:

    It's not out of consideration for porcupines
    that we don't raise them for food. It's because
    they would be a pain in the ass to raise. We
    don't raise cattle out of consideration for them
    either, but because they're fairly easy to
    raise.
    Goo/****wit David Harrison - Sep 26, 2005

    I am not an extremist about it, and if I thought
    that all of the animals I eat had terrible
    lives, I would still eat meat. That is not
    because I don't care about them at all, but I
    would just ignore their suffering.
    Goo/****wit David Harrison - Nov 29, 1999

    I would eat animals even if I thought that it was
    cruel to them, and even if they gained nothing from
    the deal. Is that what you want me to say? It is true.
    But that doesn't mean that I can't still like the animals
    also....
    Goo/****wit David Harrison - Sept 23, 1999

    I don't try to eat ethically, because I don't really care enough
    to make the effort.
    Goo/****wit David Harrison - July 31, 2003


  3. #123
    spamtrap1888 Guest

    Default Re: Vegetarian Breakfast Sausage (meatless sausage)

    On Oct 10, 1:06*pm, dh@. wrote:
    > On Wed, 10 Oct 2012 07:18:10 -0700 (PDT), Rupert <rupertmccal...@yahoo.com>
    > wrote:


    > >and I also think that I enjoy my food now about as much
    > >as I used to before I became vegan. And I also believe that by being
    > >vegan I'm reducing my expected contribution to animal suffering.

    >
    > * * It depends how a person does it. I feel certain there are vegans who buy
    > rice milk when even regular cow milk almost certainly involves fewer deaths, and
    > grass raised dairy undoubtedly does.


    Arsenic soup. Vegans who drink rice milk contribute to their own
    animal suffering.

    http://www.foodsmatter.com/foodsmatt...nic-panic-134/

  4. #124
    Somebody Guest

    Default Re: Vegetarian Breakfast Sausage (meatless sausage)

    "spamtrap1888" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    please do not crosspost.



  5. #125
    Rupert Guest

    Default Re: Vegetarian Breakfast Sausage (meatless sausage)

    On okt. 11, 16:46, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not> wrote:
    > On 10/11/2012 1:16 AM, Rupert wrote:
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > > On Oct 11, 10:12 am, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not> wrote:
    > >> On 10/11/2012 12:40 AM, Rupert wrote:

    >
    > >>> On Oct 10, 6:08 pm, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not> wrote:
    > >>>> On 10/10/2012 7:31 AM, Rupert wrote:

    >
    > >>>>> On Oct 10, 4:27 pm, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not> wrote:
    > >>>>>> On 10/10/2012 7:22 AM, Rupert wrote:

    >
    > >>>>>>> On Oct 10, 4:21 pm, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not> wrote:
    > >>>>>>>> On 10/10/2012 1:24 AM, Rupert wrote:

    >
    > >>>>>>>>> On Oct 9, 5:43 pm, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not> wrote:
    > >>>>>>>>>> On 10/9/2012 8:12 AM, Rupert wrote:

    >
    > >>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 9, 5:03 pm, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not> wrote:
    > >>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/9/2012 3:34 AM, Rupert wrote:

    >
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 8, 7:07 pm, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not> wrote:
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/8/2012 9:37 AM, spamtrap1888 wrote:

    >
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 8, 9:01 am, Rupert <rupertmccal...@yahoo.com> wrote:
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 8, 5:45 pm, spamtrap1888 <spamtrap1...@gmail.com>wrote:

    >
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 8, 4:50 am, Rupert <rupertmccal...@yahoo.com> wrote:

    >
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 21, 8:00 am, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not> wrote:

    >
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/20/2012 3:04 PM, Just.Some.guy wrote:

    >
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Check this out Its great
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>http://youtu.be/1LIyVBWaE_A

    >
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's ****. *It's unpalatable ****.

    >
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How would you be in a position to know?

    >
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why are "vegans" continually trying to make stuff look like and taste
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like meat? **Extremely* suspicious.

    >
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why?

    >
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why do you think they call vegan meat Satan?

    >
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I didn't realize they did call it that.

    >
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They changed the spelling to throw people off the track.:

    >
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>http://www.vrg.org/recipes/vjseitan.htm

    >
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ha ha ha ha ha - good one!

    >
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>> You thought it was a good joke?

    >
    > >>>>>>>>>>>> It was a great joke, especially because you fell for it.

    >
    > >>>>>>>>>>> I don't really understand why you think I fell for it.

    >
    > >>>>>>>>>> Because I saw you fall for it. *You fell right over.

    >
    > >>>>>>>>> I don't understand what you mean. What happened was that I saidI
    > >>>>>>>>> didn't realize that they called vegan meat Satan, which is of course
    > >>>>>>>>> true. At that stage I didn't realize that he wanted to make a pun on
    > >>>>>>>>> the names of one of the mock meats, but then he explained himself.

    >
    > >>>>>>>> <chortle>

    >
    > >>>>>>> You don't seem to be willing to explain yourself.

    >
    > >>>>>> What's to explain? *You're a dope, that's all.

    >
    > >>>>> So you obviously believe, but I fail to understand what reasons you
    > >>>>> think you have in favour of this view.

    >
    > >>>> Ha ha ha! *You just gave yet another reason!

    >
    > >>> So, Ball, you seem to be trying to sell me this idea that even though
    > >>> I have a few accomplishments in the field of mathematics, in all other
    > >>> areas I'm just not that bright. Would that be correct?

    >
    > >> It's more that you choose to be a dope, much as ****wit David Harrison
    > >> chooses to be stupid.

    >
    > > I see.

    >
    > Probably not, but it was worth a try.


    So, do you have any thoughts about what motivates my choice to be a
    dope?

  6. #126
    Rupert Guest

    Default Re: Vegetarian Breakfast Sausage (meatless sausage)

    On okt. 11, 16:06, "The Undead Edward M. Kennedy" <e...@o.com> wrote:
    > "Rupert" <rupertmccal...@yahoo.com> wrote
    >
    > <You are aware of the existence of quite a few vegans who are world-
    > <class athletes, right? Or not?
    >
    > Well, now all you have to do is list all the "word class athletes" and
    > the miniscule percentagae who are vegans. *Then you get to list the
    > comprehensive figures of who is vegan, who is not, and why vegans
    > are a proper perecentage of "world class athletes".
    >
    > It's your assertion. *Good luck with that.
    >
    > --Tedward


    My assertion was perfectly correct. I don't need to do any kind of
    analysis of how vegans are represented among world-class atheletes in
    order to justify that assertion.

  7. #127
    The Undead Edward M. Kennedy Guest

    Default Re: Vegetarian Breakfast Sausage (meatless sausage)

    "Rupert" <[email protected]> wrote

    > <You are aware of the existence of quite a few vegans who are world-
    > <class athletes, right? Or not?
    >
    > Well, now all you have to do is list all the "word class athletes" and
    > the miniscule percentagae who are vegans. Then you get to list the
    > comprehensive figures of who is vegan, who is not, and why vegans
    > are a proper perecentage of "world class athletes".
    >
    > It's your assertion. Good luck with that.

    <
    <My assertion was perfectly correct. I don't need to do any kind of
    <analysis of how vegans are represented among world-class atheletes in
    <order to justify that assertion.

    You are aware of the existence of quite a few unicorns, right?
    Or not?

    --Tedward



  8. #128
    George Plimpton Guest

    Default Re: Vegetarian Breakfast Sausage (meatless sausage)

    On 10/11/2012 1:27 AM, Rupert wrote:
    > On Oct 10, 5:53 pm, "Mr. N.A.Cho" <ThisSpaceForR...@mail.com> wrote:



    > You are aware of the existence of quite a few vegans who are world-
    > class athletes, right?


    No, and neither are you. The percentage of "vegans" among world class
    athletes is even smaller than the already minuscule percentage they
    comprise in the general population.

    Here's a list by someone purporting to show vegetarian and 'vegan'
    "world class" athletes. Note that the majority of them a) are
    vegetarian, not 'vegan', and b) are long retired from sports. Note also
    that most of the ones who are retired were not vegetarian at all during
    their active sports careers.

    This is an example of your actively working to be a dope.


  9. #129
    Mr. N.A.Cho Guest

    Default Re: Vegetarian Breakfast Sausage (meatless sausage)

    On Oct 11, 4:27*am, Rupert <rupertmccal...@yahoo.com> wrote:
    > On Oct 10, 5:53*pm, "Mr. N.A.Cho" <ThisSpaceForR...@mail.com> wrote:
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > > On Oct 10, 11:47*am, "The Undead Edward M. Kennedy" <e...@o.com>
    > > wrote:

    >
    > > > "Rupert" <rupertmccal...@yahoo.com> wrote

    >
    > > > > > > > > > >> Check this out Its great
    > > > > > > > > > >>http://youtu.be/1LIyVBWaE_A

    >
    > > > > > > > > > > It's ****. It's unpalatable ****.

    >
    > > > > > > > > > > Why are "vegans" continually trying to make stuff look like and taste like meat? *Extremely* suspicious.

    >
    > > > > > > > > > It's mostly for people who like meat but are trying to eat "healthy".

    >
    > > > > > > > > > > No one likes "vegan" food - no one.

    >
    > > > > > > > > > Some actually do, the problem is none of them are healthy..

    >
    > > > > > > > > This isn't true. Just about everyone enjoys some food whichis
    > > > > > > > > suitable for vegans. And a significant majority of those people are
    > > > > > > > > healthy. Furthermore a significant majority of those who consume an
    > > > > > > > > exclusively vegan diet are quite healthy. The American Dietetic
    > > > > > > > > Association has endorsed the position that appropriately-planned vegan
    > > > > > > > > diets are nutritionally adequate at all stages of life, andcarry many
    > > > > > > > > significant health benefits.

    >
    > > > > > > > > -----

    >
    > > > > > > > > I was talking about vegans. While technically you and the ADD are
    > > > > > > > > correct, it's like claiming unicorn farts are part of your diet. Show
    > > > > > > > > me the vegan who can appropriate plan a diet at all stages of life,
    > > > > > > > > and I'll show you a unicorn because people need meat and dairy.

    >
    > > > > > > > > --Tedward

    >
    > > > > > > > You're an idiot.- Hide quoted text -

    >
    > > > > > > <
    > > > > > > <I'd like to see the type of person that's a cradle to grave vegan.

    >
    > > > > > > The kid would break his hip taking the first step...

    >
    > > > > > > --Tedward

    >
    > > > > > Two friends of mine have been bringing up their children as vegan
    > > > > > since birth (with the possible exception of breast milk, I am not
    > > > > > sure). The children are perfectly well. One of them is about seven
    > > > > > years old, I think.

    >
    > > > > > -----

    >
    > > > > > "exception of breast milk" indeed. A is A. Not A is not A.

    >
    > > > > > You got two imaginary friends and Mr. Cho provided an actual picture.

    >
    > > > > > --Tedward

    >
    > > > > They are not imaginary friends. The fact that I don't have photos of
    > > > > them to hand is irrelevant; photos would prove nothing. An image ofan
    > > > > anorexic person has no bearing on the issue.

    >
    > > > > Your opinions are ignorant prejudices; you don't have any idea of what
    > > > > you're talking about. If you did you would provide some real evidence.

    >
    > > > > -----

    >
    > > > > Now you're resorting to Ad Hominid attacks, a sure sign you've lost
    > > > > the argument.

    >
    > > > It's not an ad hominem argument. I am not basing my counter-argument
    > > > on the assertion that your opinions are ignorant prejudices, I have
    > > > given you plenty of good evidence to support my claims. The assertion
    > > > that your opinions are ignorant prejudices is just a factual
    > > > observation which I choose to put in there as well. It is quite
    > > > obviously true because you have shown yourself to be incapable of
    > > > producing any evidence to support your ill-founded beliefs.

    >
    > > > If you insist on remaining ignorant then it's no skin off my nose; I
    > > > really couldn't care less.

    >
    > > > -----

    >
    > > > Evidence? *We've provided a ton. *You admit backhandedly that
    > > > children need milk. *We have canines. *We've all seen sickly looking
    > > > vegans (who BTW overlap with goths heavily).

    >
    > > maybe I'm shallow, hell I'll admit that I probably am - but you don't
    > > see many (ANY?) decent looking vegans. *They all look pasty and
    > > malnourished. * ****, comparing them to goths is being kind, I'd
    > > compare them to zombies.

    >
    > How would you know? Do you have some special faculty whereby whenever
    > you see someone walking down the street you can instantly tell whether
    > or not they are vegan?
    >


    you can make educated guesses - gaunt, pasty-complexion, no muscle
    tone, stringy hair, veggie body odor, listless eyes, etc


  10. #130
    [email protected] Guest

    Default Re: Vegetarian Breakfast Sausage (meatless sausage)

    On Thursday, October 11, 2012 2:56:31 PM UTC-4, Mr. N.A.Cho wrote:
    > On Oct 11, 4:27*am, Rupert <rupertmccal...@yahoo.com> wrote:
    >
    > > On Oct 10, 5:53*pm, "Mr. N.A.Cho" <ThisSpaceForR...@mail.com> wrote:

    >
    > >

    >
    > >

    >
    > >

    >
    > >

    >
    > >

    >
    > > > On Oct 10, 11:47*am, "The Undead Edward M. Kennedy" <e...@o.com>

    >
    > > > wrote:

    >
    > >

    >
    > > > > "Rupert" <rupertmccal...@yahoo.com> wrote

    >
    > >

    >
    > > > > > > > > > > >> Check this out Its great

    >
    > > > > > > > > > > >>http://youtu.be/1LIyVBWaE_A

    >
    > >

    >
    > > > > > > > > > > > It's ****. It's unpalatable ****.

    >
    > >

    >
    > > > > > > > > > > > Why are "vegans" continually trying to make stuff look like and taste like meat? *Extremely* suspicious.

    >
    > >

    >
    > > > > > > > > > > It's mostly for people who like meat but are trying to eat "healthy".

    >
    > >

    >
    > > > > > > > > > > > No one likes "vegan" food - no one.

    >
    > >

    >
    > > > > > > > > > > Some actually do, the problem is none of them are healthy.

    >
    > >

    >
    > > > > > > > > > This isn't true. Just about everyone enjoys some food which is

    >
    > > > > > > > > > suitable for vegans. And a significant majority of those people are

    >
    > > > > > > > > > healthy. Furthermore a significant majority of those who consume an

    >
    > > > > > > > > > exclusively vegan diet are quite healthy. The American Dietetic

    >
    > > > > > > > > > Association has endorsed the position that appropriately-planned vegan

    >
    > > > > > > > > > diets are nutritionally adequate at all stages of life, and carry many

    >
    > > > > > > > > > significant health benefits.

    >
    > >

    >
    > > > > > > > > > -----

    >
    > >

    >
    > > > > > > > > > I was talking about vegans. While technically you and theADD are

    >
    > > > > > > > > > correct, it's like claiming unicorn farts are part of your diet. Show

    >
    > > > > > > > > > me the vegan who can appropriate plan a diet at all stages of life,

    >
    > > > > > > > > > and I'll show you a unicorn because people need meat and dairy.

    >
    > >

    >
    > > > > > > > > > --Tedward

    >
    > >

    >
    > > > > > > > > You're an idiot.- Hide quoted text -

    >
    > >

    >
    > > > > > > > <

    >
    > > > > > > > <I'd like to see the type of person that's a cradle to grave vegan.

    >
    > >

    >
    > > > > > > > The kid would break his hip taking the first step...

    >
    > >

    >
    > > > > > > > --Tedward

    >
    > >

    >
    > > > > > > Two friends of mine have been bringing up their children as vegan

    >
    > > > > > > since birth (with the possible exception of breast milk, I am not

    >
    > > > > > > sure). The children are perfectly well. One of them is about seven

    >
    > > > > > > years old, I think.

    >
    > >

    >
    > > > > > > -----

    >
    > >

    >
    > > > > > > "exception of breast milk" indeed. A is A. Not A is not A.

    >
    > >

    >
    > > > > > > You got two imaginary friends and Mr. Cho provided an actual picture.

    >
    > >

    >
    > > > > > > --Tedward

    >
    > >

    >
    > > > > > They are not imaginary friends. The fact that I don't have photosof

    >
    > > > > > them to hand is irrelevant; photos would prove nothing. An image of an

    >
    > > > > > anorexic person has no bearing on the issue.

    >
    > >

    >
    > > > > > Your opinions are ignorant prejudices; you don't have any idea ofwhat

    >
    > > > > > you're talking about. If you did you would provide some real evidence.

    >
    > >

    >
    > > > > > -----

    >
    > >

    >
    > > > > > Now you're resorting to Ad Hominid attacks, a sure sign you've lost

    >
    > > > > > the argument.

    >
    > >

    >
    > > > > It's not an ad hominem argument. I am not basing my counter-argument

    >
    > > > > on the assertion that your opinions are ignorant prejudices, I have

    >
    > > > > given you plenty of good evidence to support my claims. The assertion

    >
    > > > > that your opinions are ignorant prejudices is just a factual

    >
    > > > > observation which I choose to put in there as well. It is quite

    >
    > > > > obviously true because you have shown yourself to be incapable of

    >
    > > > > producing any evidence to support your ill-founded beliefs.

    >
    > >

    >
    > > > > If you insist on remaining ignorant then it's no skin off my nose; I

    >
    > > > > really couldn't care less.

    >
    > >

    >
    > > > > -----

    >
    > >

    >
    > > > > Evidence? *We've provided a ton. *You admit backhandedly that

    >
    > > > > children need milk. *We have canines. *We've all seen sickly looking

    >
    > > > > vegans (who BTW overlap with goths heavily).

    >
    > >

    >
    > > > maybe I'm shallow, hell I'll admit that I probably am - but you don't

    >
    > > > see many (ANY?) decent looking vegans. *They all look pasty and

    >
    > > > malnourished. * ****, comparing them to goths is being kind, I'd

    >
    > > > compare them to zombies.

    >
    > >

    >
    > > How would you know? Do you have some special faculty whereby whenever

    >
    > > you see someone walking down the street you can instantly tell whether

    >
    > > or not they are vegan?

    >
    > >

    >
    >
    >
    > you can make educated guesses - gaunt, pasty-complexion, no muscle
    >
    > tone, stringy hair, veggie body odor, listless eyes, etc


    I've experienced the vegan stank of a co-worker. There's no guess work involved. Truly repulsive.

  11. #131
    George Plimpton Guest

    Default Re: Vegetarian Breakfast Sausage (meatless sausage)

    On 10/11/2012 11:56 AM, Mr. N.A.Cho wrote:
    > On Oct 11, 4:27 am, Rupert <rupertmccal...@yahoo.com> wrote:
    >> On Oct 10, 5:53 pm, "Mr. N.A.Cho" <ThisSpaceForR...@mail.com> wrote:
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>> On Oct 10, 11:47 am, "The Undead Edward M. Kennedy" <e...@o.com>
    >>> wrote:

    >>
    >>>> "Rupert" <rupertmccal...@yahoo.com> wrote

    >>
    >>>>>>>>>>>> Check this out Its great
    >>>>>>>>>>>> http://youtu.be/1LIyVBWaE_A

    >>
    >>>>>>>>>>> It's ****. It's unpalatable ****.

    >>
    >>>>>>>>>>> Why are "vegans" continually trying to make stuff look like and taste like meat? *Extremely* suspicious.

    >>
    >>>>>>>>>> It's mostly for people who like meat but are trying to eat "healthy".

    >>
    >>>>>>>>>>> No one likes "vegan" food - no one.

    >>
    >>>>>>>>>> Some actually do, the problem is none of them are healthy.

    >>
    >>>>>>>>> This isn't true. Just about everyone enjoys some food which is
    >>>>>>>>> suitable for vegans. And a significant majority of those people are
    >>>>>>>>> healthy. Furthermore a significant majority of those who consume an
    >>>>>>>>> exclusively vegan diet are quite healthy. The American Dietetic
    >>>>>>>>> Association has endorsed the position that appropriately-planned vegan
    >>>>>>>>> diets are nutritionally adequate at all stages of life, and carry many
    >>>>>>>>> significant health benefits.

    >>
    >>>>>>>>> -----

    >>
    >>>>>>>>> I was talking about vegans. While technically you and the ADD are
    >>>>>>>>> correct, it's like claiming unicorn farts are part of your diet. Show
    >>>>>>>>> me the vegan who can appropriate plan a diet at all stages of life,
    >>>>>>>>> and I'll show you a unicorn because people need meat and dairy.

    >>
    >>>>>>>>> --Tedward

    >>
    >>>>>>>> You're an idiot.- Hide quoted text -

    >>
    >>>>>>> <
    >>>>>>> <I'd like to see the type of person that's a cradle to grave vegan.

    >>
    >>>>>>> The kid would break his hip taking the first step...

    >>
    >>>>>>> --Tedward

    >>
    >>>>>> Two friends of mine have been bringing up their children as vegan
    >>>>>> since birth (with the possible exception of breast milk, I am not
    >>>>>> sure). The children are perfectly well. One of them is about seven
    >>>>>> years old, I think.

    >>
    >>>>>> -----

    >>
    >>>>>> "exception of breast milk" indeed. A is A. Not A is not A.

    >>
    >>>>>> You got two imaginary friends and Mr. Cho provided an actual picture.

    >>
    >>>>>> --Tedward

    >>
    >>>>> They are not imaginary friends. The fact that I don't have photos of
    >>>>> them to hand is irrelevant; photos would prove nothing. An image of an
    >>>>> anorexic person has no bearing on the issue.

    >>
    >>>>> Your opinions are ignorant prejudices; you don't have any idea of what
    >>>>> you're talking about. If you did you would provide some real evidence.

    >>
    >>>>> -----

    >>
    >>>>> Now you're resorting to Ad Hominid attacks, a sure sign you've lost
    >>>>> the argument.

    >>
    >>>> It's not an ad hominem argument. I am not basing my counter-argument
    >>>> on the assertion that your opinions are ignorant prejudices, I have
    >>>> given you plenty of good evidence to support my claims. The assertion
    >>>> that your opinions are ignorant prejudices is just a factual
    >>>> observation which I choose to put in there as well. It is quite
    >>>> obviously true because you have shown yourself to be incapable of
    >>>> producing any evidence to support your ill-founded beliefs.

    >>
    >>>> If you insist on remaining ignorant then it's no skin off my nose; I
    >>>> really couldn't care less.

    >>
    >>>> -----

    >>
    >>>> Evidence? We've provided a ton. You admit backhandedly that
    >>>> children need milk. We have canines. We've all seen sickly looking
    >>>> vegans (who BTW overlap with goths heavily).

    >>
    >>> maybe I'm shallow, hell I'll admit that I probably am - but you don't
    >>> see many (ANY?) decent looking vegans. They all look pasty and
    >>> malnourished. ****, comparing them to goths is being kind, I'd
    >>> compare them to zombies.

    >>
    >> How would you know? Do you have some special faculty whereby whenever
    >> you see someone walking down the street you can instantly tell whether
    >> or not they are vegan?
    >>

    >
    > you can make educated guesses - gaunt, pasty-complexion, no muscle
    > tone, stringy hair, veggie body odor, listless eyes, etc


    I think it's obviously possible to make some wrong guesses, just as it's
    possible to guess wrong about who's a queer and who isn't, but I think
    it's not all that hard to be right more often than not. The reason is
    that there are a lot of other "tells" available. All "vegans" are
    left-wingers, although not all left-wingers are "vegans"; but if you see
    a car plastered with a lot of ecotopian slogans and other left-wing
    blabber, there's a pretty good chance that the owner is at least an
    extreme vegetarian, if not "vegan". Also, if the driver gets out of the
    car and is wearing Birkenstocks, that's another good "tell".


  12. #132
    Mr. N.A.Cho Guest

    Default Re: Vegetarian Breakfast Sausage (meatless sausage)

    On Oct 11, 3:06*pm, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not> wrote:
    > On 10/11/2012 11:56 AM, Mr. N.A.Cho wrote:
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > > On Oct 11, 4:27 am, Rupert <rupertmccal...@yahoo.com> wrote:
    > >> On Oct 10, 5:53 pm, "Mr. N.A.Cho" <ThisSpaceForR...@mail.com> wrote:

    >
    > >>> On Oct 10, 11:47 am, "The Undead Edward M. Kennedy" <e...@o.com>
    > >>> wrote:

    >
    > >>>> "Rupert" <rupertmccal...@yahoo.com> wrote

    >
    > >>>>>>>>>>>> Check this out Its great
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>http://youtu.be/1LIyVBWaE_A

    >
    > >>>>>>>>>>> It's ****. It's unpalatable ****.

    >
    > >>>>>>>>>>> Why are "vegans" continually trying to make stuff look like and taste like meat? *Extremely* suspicious.

    >
    > >>>>>>>>>> It's mostly for people who like meat but are trying to eat "healthy".

    >
    > >>>>>>>>>>> No one likes "vegan" food - no one.

    >
    > >>>>>>>>>> Some actually do, the problem is none of them are healthy.

    >
    > >>>>>>>>> This isn't true. Just about everyone enjoys some food which is
    > >>>>>>>>> suitable for vegans. And a significant majority of those peopleare
    > >>>>>>>>> healthy. Furthermore a significant majority of those who consume an
    > >>>>>>>>> exclusively vegan diet are quite healthy. The American Dietetic
    > >>>>>>>>> Association has endorsed the position that appropriately-planned vegan
    > >>>>>>>>> diets are nutritionally adequate at all stages of life, and carry many
    > >>>>>>>>> significant health benefits.

    >
    > >>>>>>>>> -----

    >
    > >>>>>>>>> I was talking about vegans. While technically you and the ADD are
    > >>>>>>>>> correct, it's like claiming unicorn farts are part of your diet.. Show
    > >>>>>>>>> me the vegan who can appropriate plan a diet at all stages of life,
    > >>>>>>>>> and I'll show you a unicorn because people need meat and dairy.

    >
    > >>>>>>>>> --Tedward

    >
    > >>>>>>>> You're an idiot.- Hide quoted text -

    >
    > >>>>>>> <
    > >>>>>>> <I'd like to see the type of person that's a cradle to grave vegan.

    >
    > >>>>>>> The kid would break his hip taking the first step...

    >
    > >>>>>>> --Tedward

    >
    > >>>>>> Two friends of mine have been bringing up their children as vegan
    > >>>>>> since birth (with the possible exception of breast milk, I am not
    > >>>>>> sure). The children are perfectly well. One of them is about seven
    > >>>>>> years old, I think.

    >
    > >>>>>> -----

    >
    > >>>>>> "exception of breast milk" indeed. A is A. Not A is not A.

    >
    > >>>>>> You got two imaginary friends and Mr. Cho provided an actual picture.

    >
    > >>>>>> --Tedward

    >
    > >>>>> They are not imaginary friends. The fact that I don't have photos of
    > >>>>> them to hand is irrelevant; photos would prove nothing. An image ofan
    > >>>>> anorexic person has no bearing on the issue.

    >
    > >>>>> Your opinions are ignorant prejudices; you don't have any idea of what
    > >>>>> you're talking about. If you did you would provide some real evidence.

    >
    > >>>>> -----

    >
    > >>>>> Now you're resorting to Ad Hominid attacks, a sure sign you've lost
    > >>>>> the argument.

    >
    > >>>> It's not an ad hominem argument. I am not basing my counter-argument
    > >>>> on the assertion that your opinions are ignorant prejudices, I have
    > >>>> given you plenty of good evidence to support my claims. The assertion
    > >>>> that your opinions are ignorant prejudices is just a factual
    > >>>> observation which I choose to put in there as well. It is quite
    > >>>> obviously true because you have shown yourself to be incapable of
    > >>>> producing any evidence to support your ill-founded beliefs.

    >
    > >>>> If you insist on remaining ignorant then it's no skin off my nose; I
    > >>>> really couldn't care less.

    >
    > >>>> -----

    >
    > >>>> Evidence? *We've provided a ton. *You admit backhandedly that
    > >>>> children need milk. *We have canines. *We've all seen sickly looking
    > >>>> vegans (who BTW overlap with goths heavily).

    >
    > >>> maybe I'm shallow, hell I'll admit that I probably am - but you don't
    > >>> see many (ANY?) decent looking vegans. *They all look pasty and
    > >>> malnourished. * ****, comparing them to goths is being kind, I'd
    > >>> compare them to zombies.

    >
    > >> How would you know? Do you have some special faculty whereby whenever
    > >> you see someone walking down the street you can instantly tell whether
    > >> or not they are vegan?

    >
    > > you can make educated guesses - gaunt, pasty-complexion, no muscle
    > > tone, stringy hair, veggie body odor, listless eyes, etc

    >
    > I think it's obviously possible to make some wrong guesses, just as it's
    > possible to guess wrong about who's a queer and who isn't, but I think
    > it's not all that hard to be right more often than not. *The reason is
    > that there are a lot of other "tells" available. *All "vegans" are
    > left-wingers, although not all left-wingers are "vegans"; but if you see
    > a car plastered with a lot of ecotopian slogans and other left-wing
    > blabber, there's a pretty good chance that the owner is at least an
    > extreme vegetarian, if not "vegan". *Also, if the driver gets out of the
    > car and is wearing Birkenstocks, that's another good "tell".- Hide quotedtext -
    >
    > - Show quoted text -


    I think being a vegan takes a tremendous toll on one's appearance, at
    least in every single instance I've seen.

  13. #133
    Bryan Guest

    Default Re: Vegetarian Breakfast Sausage (meatless sausage)

    On Oct 11, 2:06*pm, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not> wrote:
    > On 10/11/2012 11:56 AM, Mr. N.A.Cho wrote:
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > > On Oct 11, 4:27 am, Rupert <rupertmccal...@yahoo.com> wrote:
    > >> On Oct 10, 5:53 pm, "Mr. N.A.Cho" <ThisSpaceForR...@mail.com> wrote:

    >
    > >>> On Oct 10, 11:47 am, "The Undead Edward M. Kennedy" <e...@o.com>
    > >>> wrote:

    >
    > >>>> "Rupert" <rupertmccal...@yahoo.com> wrote

    >
    > >>>>>>>>>>>> Check this out Its great
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>http://youtu.be/1LIyVBWaE_A

    >
    > >>>>>>>>>>> It's ****. It's unpalatable ****.

    >
    > >>>>>>>>>>> Why are "vegans" continually trying to make stuff look like and taste like meat? *Extremely* suspicious.

    >
    > >>>>>>>>>> It's mostly for people who like meat but are trying to eat "healthy".

    >
    > >>>>>>>>>>> No one likes "vegan" food - no one.

    >
    > >>>>>>>>>> Some actually do, the problem is none of them are healthy.

    >
    > >>>>>>>>> This isn't true. Just about everyone enjoys some food which is
    > >>>>>>>>> suitable for vegans. And a significant majority of those peopleare
    > >>>>>>>>> healthy. Furthermore a significant majority of those who consume an
    > >>>>>>>>> exclusively vegan diet are quite healthy. The American Dietetic
    > >>>>>>>>> Association has endorsed the position that appropriately-planned vegan
    > >>>>>>>>> diets are nutritionally adequate at all stages of life, and carry many
    > >>>>>>>>> significant health benefits.

    >
    > >>>>>>>>> -----

    >
    > >>>>>>>>> I was talking about vegans. While technically you and the ADD are
    > >>>>>>>>> correct, it's like claiming unicorn farts are part of your diet.. Show
    > >>>>>>>>> me the vegan who can appropriate plan a diet at all stages of life,
    > >>>>>>>>> and I'll show you a unicorn because people need meat and dairy.

    >
    > >>>>>>>>> --Tedward

    >
    > >>>>>>>> You're an idiot.- Hide quoted text -

    >
    > >>>>>>> <
    > >>>>>>> <I'd like to see the type of person that's a cradle to grave vegan.

    >
    > >>>>>>> The kid would break his hip taking the first step...

    >
    > >>>>>>> --Tedward

    >
    > >>>>>> Two friends of mine have been bringing up their children as vegan
    > >>>>>> since birth (with the possible exception of breast milk, I am not
    > >>>>>> sure). The children are perfectly well. One of them is about seven
    > >>>>>> years old, I think.

    >
    > >>>>>> -----

    >
    > >>>>>> "exception of breast milk" indeed. A is A. Not A is not A.

    >
    > >>>>>> You got two imaginary friends and Mr. Cho provided an actual picture.

    >
    > >>>>>> --Tedward

    >
    > >>>>> They are not imaginary friends. The fact that I don't have photos of
    > >>>>> them to hand is irrelevant; photos would prove nothing. An image ofan
    > >>>>> anorexic person has no bearing on the issue.

    >
    > >>>>> Your opinions are ignorant prejudices; you don't have any idea of what
    > >>>>> you're talking about. If you did you would provide some real evidence.

    >
    > >>>>> -----

    >
    > >>>>> Now you're resorting to Ad Hominid attacks, a sure sign you've lost
    > >>>>> the argument.

    >
    > >>>> It's not an ad hominem argument. I am not basing my counter-argument
    > >>>> on the assertion that your opinions are ignorant prejudices, I have
    > >>>> given you plenty of good evidence to support my claims. The assertion
    > >>>> that your opinions are ignorant prejudices is just a factual
    > >>>> observation which I choose to put in there as well. It is quite
    > >>>> obviously true because you have shown yourself to be incapable of
    > >>>> producing any evidence to support your ill-founded beliefs.

    >
    > >>>> If you insist on remaining ignorant then it's no skin off my nose; I
    > >>>> really couldn't care less.

    >
    > >>>> -----

    >
    > >>>> Evidence? *We've provided a ton. *You admit backhandedly that
    > >>>> children need milk. *We have canines. *We've all seen sickly looking
    > >>>> vegans (who BTW overlap with goths heavily).

    >
    > >>> maybe I'm shallow, hell I'll admit that I probably am - but you don't
    > >>> see many (ANY?) decent looking vegans. *They all look pasty and
    > >>> malnourished. * ****, comparing them to goths is being kind, I'd
    > >>> compare them to zombies.

    >
    > >> How would you know? Do you have some special faculty whereby whenever
    > >> you see someone walking down the street you can instantly tell whether
    > >> or not they are vegan?

    >
    > > you can make educated guesses - gaunt, pasty-complexion, no muscle
    > > tone, stringy hair, veggie body odor, listless eyes, etc

    >
    > I think it's obviously possible to make some wrong guesses, just as it's
    > possible to guess wrong about who's a queer and who isn't, but I think
    > it's not all that hard to be right more often than not. *The reason is
    > that there are a lot of other "tells" available. *All "vegans" are
    > left-wingers, although not all left-wingers are "vegans"; but if you see
    > a car plastered with a lot of ecotopian slogans and other left-wing
    > blabber, there's a pretty good chance that the owner is at least an
    > extreme vegetarian, if not "vegan". *Also, if the driver gets out of the
    > car and is wearing Birkenstocks, that's another good "tell".


    That's all correct George, and I am one of the exceptions. I am a
    Lefty who could slaughter an animal and cut a piece out and eat it raw
    right on the spot, and I could take joy in watching a Right-winger be
    slowly eaten by piranhas while I chose not to throw a lifeline that
    was two feet away from my hand.

    --Bryan

  14. #134
    George Plimpton Guest

    Default Re: Vegetarian Breakfast Sausage (meatless sausage)

    On 10/11/2012 12:53 PM, Bryan wrote:
    > On Oct 11, 2:06 pm, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not> wrote:
    >> On 10/11/2012 11:56 AM, Mr. N.A.Cho wrote:
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>> On Oct 11, 4:27 am, Rupert <rupertmccal...@yahoo.com> wrote:
    >>>> On Oct 10, 5:53 pm, "Mr. N.A.Cho" <ThisSpaceForR...@mail.com> wrote:

    >>
    >>>>> On Oct 10, 11:47 am, "The Undead Edward M. Kennedy" <e...@o.com>
    >>>>> wrote:

    >>
    >>>>>> "Rupert" <rupertmccal...@yahoo.com> wrote

    >>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Check this out Its great
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://youtu.be/1LIyVBWaE_A

    >>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> It's ****. It's unpalatable ****.

    >>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> Why are "vegans" continually trying to make stuff look like and taste like meat? *Extremely* suspicious.

    >>
    >>>>>>>>>>>> It's mostly for people who like meat but are trying to eat "healthy".

    >>
    >>>>>>>>>>>>> No one likes "vegan" food - no one.

    >>
    >>>>>>>>>>>> Some actually do, the problem is none of them are healthy.

    >>
    >>>>>>>>>>> This isn't true. Just about everyone enjoys some food which is
    >>>>>>>>>>> suitable for vegans. And a significant majority of those people are
    >>>>>>>>>>> healthy. Furthermore a significant majority of those who consume an
    >>>>>>>>>>> exclusively vegan diet are quite healthy. The American Dietetic
    >>>>>>>>>>> Association has endorsed the position that appropriately-planned vegan
    >>>>>>>>>>> diets are nutritionally adequate at all stages of life, and carry many
    >>>>>>>>>>> significant health benefits.

    >>
    >>>>>>>>>>> -----

    >>
    >>>>>>>>>>> I was talking about vegans. While technically you and the ADD are
    >>>>>>>>>>> correct, it's like claiming unicorn farts are part of your diet. Show
    >>>>>>>>>>> me the vegan who can appropriate plan a diet at all stages of life,
    >>>>>>>>>>> and I'll show you a unicorn because people need meat and dairy.

    >>
    >>>>>>>>>>> --Tedward

    >>
    >>>>>>>>>> You're an idiot.- Hide quoted text -

    >>
    >>>>>>>>> <
    >>>>>>>>> <I'd like to see the type of person that's a cradle to grave vegan.

    >>
    >>>>>>>>> The kid would break his hip taking the first step...

    >>
    >>>>>>>>> --Tedward

    >>
    >>>>>>>> Two friends of mine have been bringing up their children as vegan
    >>>>>>>> since birth (with the possible exception of breast milk, I am not
    >>>>>>>> sure). The children are perfectly well. One of them is about seven
    >>>>>>>> years old, I think.

    >>
    >>>>>>>> -----

    >>
    >>>>>>>> "exception of breast milk" indeed. A is A. Not A is not A.

    >>
    >>>>>>>> You got two imaginary friends and Mr. Cho provided an actual picture.

    >>
    >>>>>>>> --Tedward

    >>
    >>>>>>> They are not imaginary friends. The fact that I don't have photos of
    >>>>>>> them to hand is irrelevant; photos would prove nothing. An image of an
    >>>>>>> anorexic person has no bearing on the issue.

    >>
    >>>>>>> Your opinions are ignorant prejudices; you don't have any idea of what
    >>>>>>> you're talking about. If you did you would provide some real evidence.

    >>
    >>>>>>> -----

    >>
    >>>>>>> Now you're resorting to Ad Hominid attacks, a sure sign you've lost
    >>>>>>> the argument.

    >>
    >>>>>> It's not an ad hominem argument. I am not basing my counter-argument
    >>>>>> on the assertion that your opinions are ignorant prejudices, I have
    >>>>>> given you plenty of good evidence to support my claims. The assertion
    >>>>>> that your opinions are ignorant prejudices is just a factual
    >>>>>> observation which I choose to put in there as well. It is quite
    >>>>>> obviously true because you have shown yourself to be incapable of
    >>>>>> producing any evidence to support your ill-founded beliefs.

    >>
    >>>>>> If you insist on remaining ignorant then it's no skin off my nose; I
    >>>>>> really couldn't care less.

    >>
    >>>>>> -----

    >>
    >>>>>> Evidence? We've provided a ton. You admit backhandedly that
    >>>>>> children need milk. We have canines. We've all seen sickly looking
    >>>>>> vegans (who BTW overlap with goths heavily).

    >>
    >>>>> maybe I'm shallow, hell I'll admit that I probably am - but you don't
    >>>>> see many (ANY?) decent looking vegans. They all look pasty and
    >>>>> malnourished. ****, comparing them to goths is being kind, I'd
    >>>>> compare them to zombies.

    >>
    >>>> How would you know? Do you have some special faculty whereby whenever
    >>>> you see someone walking down the street you can instantly tell whether
    >>>> or not they are vegan?

    >>
    >>> you can make educated guesses - gaunt, pasty-complexion, no muscle
    >>> tone, stringy hair, veggie body odor, listless eyes, etc

    >>
    >> I think it's obviously possible to make some wrong guesses, just as it's
    >> possible to guess wrong about who's a queer and who isn't, but I think
    >> it's not all that hard to be right more often than not. The reason is
    >> that there are a lot of other "tells" available. All "vegans" are
    >> left-wingers, although not all left-wingers are "vegans"; but if you see
    >> a car plastered with a lot of ecotopian slogans and other left-wing
    >> blabber, there's a pretty good chance that the owner is at least an
    >> extreme vegetarian, if not "vegan". Also, if the driver gets out of the
    >> car and is wearing Birkenstocks, that's another good "tell".

    >
    > That's all correct George, and I am one of the exceptions. I am a
    > Lefty who could slaughter an animal and cut a piece out and eat it raw
    > right on the spot, and I could take joy in watching a Right-winger be
    > slowly eaten by piranhas while I chose not to throw a lifeline that
    > was two feet away from my hand.


    ....thus showing there are other ways to be a ****bag beyond being a food
    Nazi.


  15. #135
    dh@. Guest

    Default Re: Vegetarian Breakfast Sausage (meatless sausage)

    On Thu, 11 Oct 2012 00:42:06 -0700 (PDT), Rupert <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    >On Oct 10, 9:58*pm, dh@. wrote:
    >> On Wed, 10 Oct 2012 01:24:24 -0700 (PDT), Rupert <rupertmccal...@yahoo.com>
    >> wrote:
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> >On Oct 9, 8:06*pm, dh@. wrote:
    >> >> On Mon, 8 Oct 2012 09:37:18 -0700 (PDT), spamtrap1888 <spamtrap1...@gmail.com>
    >> >> wrote:
    >> >> >On Oct 8, 9:01 am, Rupert <rupertmccal...@yahoo.com> wrote:
    >> >> >> On Oct 8, 5:45 pm, spamtrap1888 <spamtrap1...@gmail.com> wrote:
    >> >> >> > On Oct 8, 4:50 am, Rupert <rupertmccal...@yahoo.com> wrote:

    >>
    >> >> >> > > On Sep 21, 8:00 am, Goo wrote:

    >>
    >> >> >> > > > On 9/20/2012 3:04 PM, Just.Some.guy wrote:

    >>
    >> >> >> > > > > Check this out Its great
    >> >> >> > > > >http://youtu.be/1LIyVBWaE_A

    >>
    >> >> >> > > > It's ****. It's unpalatable ****.

    >>
    >> >> >> > > How would you be in a position to know?

    >>
    >> >> >> > > > Why are "vegans" continually trying to make stuff look like and taste
    >> >> >> > > > like meat? *Extremely* suspicious.

    >>
    >> >> >> > > Why?

    >>
    >> >> >> > Why do you think they call vegan meat Satan?

    >>
    >> >> >> I didn't realize they did call it that.

    >>
    >> >> >They changed the spelling to throw people off the track.:

    >>
    >> >> >http://www.vrg.org/recipes/vjseitan.htm

    >>
    >> >> * * It almost certainly involves more animal deaths than grass raised beef, and
    >> >> in some cases grain fed beef. Not as bad as rice based products, but still worse
    >> >> than grass raised beef if not grain fed as well.

    >>
    >> >How do you know?

    >>
    >> * * The only way it could not is if there are no wildlife in the area where the
    >> grain is grown. Of course with rice it's not a question due to the flooding and
    >> draining in addition to all the machinery and chemical deaths.

    >
    >I don't really find your remarks convincing. We did an examination of
    >one estimate for the expected collateral death rate associated with a
    >serving of tofu in the past, and it turned out to be less than the
    >corresponding estimate for grass-fed beef.


    I don't remember that, but feel that an estimate for number of deaths per
    serving of grass raised beef should be much less than one.

  16. #136
    dh@. Guest

    Default Re: Vegetarian Breakfast Sausage (meatless sausage)

    On Wed, 10 Oct 2012 14:04:39 -0700 (PDT), "Mr. N.A.Cho"
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    >On Oct 10, 4:09*pm, Goo wrote:
    >> On 10/10/2012 12:54 PM, dh@. wrote:
    >> > On Tue, 9 Oct 2012 15:10:23 -0400, "The Undead Edward M. Kennedy" <e...@o.com>
    >> > wrote:

    >>
    >> >> "CheeseHusker dos" <jonrus...@yahoo.com> wrote

    >>
    >> >>>>> Check this out Its great
    >> >>>>>http://youtu.be/1LIyVBWaE_A

    >>
    >> >>>> It's ****. It's unpalatable ****.

    >>
    >> >>>> Why are "vegans" continually trying to make stuff look like and taste like meat? *Extremely* suspicious.

    >>
    >> >>> It's mostly for people who like meat but are trying to eat "healthy".

    >>
    >> >>>> No one likes "vegan" food - no one.

    >>
    >> >>> Some actually do, the problem is none of them are healthy.
    >> >> <
    >> >> <I don't the title of this thread - why would anyone want to make
    >> >> <sausage from vegetarians?

    >>
    >> >> Maybe some people need to limit the amount of protein in
    >> >> thier diet...?

    >>
    >> > * * *Veganism is more than just concern about health and diet. Vegans try to
    >> > avoid using any products which contribute to the lives and deaths of livestock
    >> > animals

    >>
    >> There is no reason to "contribute" to livestock animals "getting to
    >> experience life."- Hide quoted text -
    >>
    >> - Show quoted text -

    >
    >this now reminds me of the Twilight Zone Episode "To Serve Man".
    >
    >IT'S A COOKBOOK!!!!!


    Whatever. Billions of livestock animals do live only because they're raised
    for food so their lives deserve as much or more consideration than their deaths.
    Eliminationists who abuse the gross misnomer "animal rights" are opposed to
    giving the animals' lives as much or more consideration than their deaths
    because doing so works against the elimination objective. In case anyone is
    unaware of it they not only want to eliminate livestock but all domestic
    animals. The difference between animal welfare and the misnomer is: the animals.
    AW wants to provide decent lives to billions of animals, while the misnomer
    wants to prevent such animals from existing.

  17. #137
    dh@. Guest

    Default Re: Vegetarian Breakfast Sausage (meatless sausage)

    On Thu, 11 Oct 2012 08:06:40 -0700 (PDT), spamtrap1888 <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    >On Oct 10, 1:06*pm, dh@. wrote:
    >> On Wed, 10 Oct 2012 07:18:10 -0700 (PDT), Rupert <rupertmccal...@yahoo.com>
    >> wrote:

    >
    >> >and I also think that I enjoy my food now about as much
    >> >as I used to before I became vegan. And I also believe that by being
    >> >vegan I'm reducing my expected contribution to animal suffering.

    >>
    >> * * It depends how a person does it. I feel certain there are vegans who buy
    >> rice milk when even regular cow milk almost certainly involves fewer deaths, and
    >> grass raised dairy undoubtedly does.

    >
    >Arsenic soup. Vegans who drink rice milk contribute to their own
    >animal suffering.
    >
    >http://www.foodsmatter.com/foodsmatt...nic-panic-134/


    Less arsenic does seem like another good point in favor of cow milk.

  18. #138
    dh@. Guest

    Default Re: Vegetarian Breakfast Sausage (meatless sausage)

    On Thu, 11 Oct 2012 01:17:44 -0700 (PDT), Rupert <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    >On Oct 10, 9:56*pm, dh@. wrote:
    >> On Wed, 10 Oct 2012 07:33:24 -0700 (PDT), Rupert <rupertmccal...@yahoo.com>
    >> wrote:
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> >On Oct 10, 4:28*pm, "The Undead Edward M. Kennedy" <e...@o.com> wrote:
    >> >> "Rupert" <rupertmccal...@yahoo.com> wrote

    >>
    >> >> > >> Check this out Its great
    >> >> > >>http://youtu.be/1LIyVBWaE_A

    >>
    >> >> > > It's ****. It's unpalatable ****.

    >>
    >> >> > > Why are "vegans" continually trying to make stuff look like and taste like meat? *Extremely* suspicious.

    >>
    >> >> > It's mostly for people who like meat but are trying to eat "healthy".

    >>
    >> >> > > No one likes "vegan" food - no one.

    >>
    >> >> > Some actually do, the problem is none of them are healthy.

    >>
    >> >> This isn't true. Just about everyone enjoys some food which is
    >> >> suitable for vegans. And a significant majority of those people are
    >> >> healthy. Furthermore a significant majority of those who consume an
    >> >> exclusively vegan diet are quite healthy. The American Dietetic
    >> >> Association has endorsed the position that appropriately-planned vegan
    >> >> diets are nutritionally adequate at all stages of life, and carry many
    >> >> significant health benefits.

    >>
    >> >> -----

    >>
    >> >> I was talking about vegans. *While technically you and the ADD are
    >> >> correct, it's like claiming unicorn farts are part of your diet. *Show
    >> >> me the vegan who can appropriate plan a diet at all stages of life,
    >> >> and I'll show you a unicorn because people need meat and dairy.

    >>
    >> >I know plenty of vegans who have well-planned diets and are perfectly
    >> >healthy, and at least two doctors have told me that it is a very good
    >> >thing that I am vegan.

    >>
    >> * * Why would a doctor tell you it's good you're a vegan?
    >>

    >
    >Presumably because they believed it to be the case.


    Being a vegan isn't only about your health.

    >> >It is just as easy to sensibly plan a vegan
    >> >diet as an omnivorous one. Your opinions about vegans are just not
    >> >especially well-informed; you don't really know what you're talking
    >> >about.

    >>
    >> * * You don't contribute to any decent lives for livestock, but only to the
    >> deaths of wildlife. Hopefully he knows that much at least.

    >
    >I have taken steps to reduce my contribution to the amount of
    >suffering that takes place. I don't see any good reason to think that
    >the strategy I've chosen is a poor one.


    You could contribute to decent lives for livestock, and probably to less
    suffering at the same time.

  19. #139
    dh@. Guest

    Default Re: Vegetarian Breakfast Sausage (meatless sausage)

    On Thu, 11 Oct 2012 01:15:05 -0700 (PDT), Rupert <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    >On Oct 10, 10:06*pm, dh@. wrote:
    >> On Wed, 10 Oct 2012 07:18:10 -0700 (PDT), Rupert <rupertmccal...@yahoo.com>
    >> wrote:
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>
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    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> >On Oct 10, 4:09 pm, "J.C. Watts" <jonens...@charter.net> wrote:
    >> >> On Oct 10, 3:26 am, Rupert <rupertmccal...@yahoo.com> wrote:

    >>
    >> >> > On Oct 9, 8:40 pm, "The Undead Edward M. Kennedy" <e...@o.com> wrote:

    >>
    >> >> > > "George Plimpton" <geo...@si.not> wrote

    >>
    >> >> > > >> Check this out Its great
    >> >> > > >>http://youtu.be/1LIyVBWaE_A

    >>
    >> >> > > > It's ****. It's unpalatable ****.

    >>
    >> >> > > > Why are "vegans" continually trying to make stuff look like and taste like meat? *Extremely* suspicious.

    >>
    >> >> > > It's mostly for people who like meat but are trying to eat "healthy".

    >>
    >> >> > > > No one likes "vegan" food - no one.

    >>
    >> >> > > Some actually do, the problem is none of them are healthy.

    >>
    >> >> > This isn't true. Just about everyone enjoys some food which is
    >> >> > suitable for vegans. And a significant majority of those people are
    >> >> > healthy. Furthermore a significant majority of those who consume an
    >> >> > exclusively vegan diet are quite healthy. The American Dietetic
    >> >> > Association has endorsed the position that appropriately-planned vegan
    >> >> > diets are nutritionally adequate at all stages of life, and carry many
    >> >> > significant health benefits.

    >>
    >> >> Yeah, but hamburgers taste so much better.

    >>
    >> >Well, if that's what you reckon then that's fine. I've been vegan for
    >> >about 16 years and I definitely remember that I used to enjoy the
    >> >taste of meat

    >>
    >> * * Then why didn't you begin contributing to decent lives for cattle by buying
    >> grass raise beef and dairy products instead of not contributing to anything
    >> other than the deaths of wildlife?
    >>

    >
    >Let's be clear about what you think the upside would be. You think
    >that I would be increasing the expected number of cows who come into
    >existence and lead fairly happy lives, as well as reducing my
    >contribution to collateral deaths caused by plant-based agriculture,
    >and that would be a good thing? Is that the story?


    If you did it right, yes. If you didn't, no. If you bought a veal calf that
    was soon to be slaughtered and made a deal with a farmer to raise it for you for
    two years with no grain, then you had it humanely slaughtered and you ate that
    instead of your soy stuff you would reduce your contribution plus benefit a
    livestock animal in the biggest way. You could do the same with the brothers of
    commercial laying hens. You might even be able to get them for free and give
    them a good life, then slaughter humanely... That's probably the best way you
    could do it, but there are variations between that and doing nothing as you are
    now.

    >> >and I also think that I enjoy my food now about as much
    >> >as I used to before I became vegan. And I also believe that by being
    >> >vegan I'm reducing my expected contribution to animal suffering.

    >>
    >> * * It depends how a person does it. I feel certain there are vegans who buy
    >> rice milk when even regular cow milk almost certainly involves fewer deaths, and
    >> grass raised dairy undoubtedly does.
    >>

    >
    >Well, how did you come to that conclusion; do you have any kind of
    >estimate available for how many premature deaths are required to
    >produce one serving of rice milk?


    "ok, get your calculator out, we'll be numerate here:

    it takes 7 passes with a 30' combine to cut an acre (208' x 208'). to
    digest 7,000 frogs in that acre (7,000 1st cutting + 3,000 2nd cutting
    for a total of 10,000 - hard shower), that means 1000 unlucky (slow, bad
    jumpers, ...) frogs in the 6240 sq.ft. that constitutes *one* pass, or
    one per 6+ sq.ft. or 5 per lineal foot of travel.

    i *did* say these numbers were conservative, didn't i?

    for the 'deluge' (i used 35,000 in the faq, divided 25k & 10k per
    cutting), the numbers are ~3500 per pass; one for every 1 sq.ft.; and
    ~17 per lineal foot of travel.

    [...]

    > The closest diderot comes to providing us with evidence we could
    > possibly remeasure is his "500 yard long, foot-wide windrows of drowned
    > grey and brown (rats)". You and I could layout rats in a matching
    > configuration and do a head count, but there wouldn't be much point
    > since diderot goes on to say that this mass drowning occurs "whenever
    > the rice is flooded". Then he neglects to tell us how often he floods
    > his fields.


    rice has to grow in water, so it is flooded in april, drained for
    harvest in july/august, reflooded and drained in october. we flood in
    mid-december for waterfowl, and drain in february. in february and
    march, the land is disced and planed." - didderot

    >> >But you may find it unlikely that you would enjoy food and/or you may
    >> >not find the consideration about animal suffering to be compelling.
    >> >Which is of course your choice, I have no interest in trying to get
    >> >you to change your mind.

    >>
    >> * * I told a guy about the difference between cage free and battery farmed eggs
    >> and he started buying cage free. So he's doing something while veganism does
    >> nothing.

    >
    >This assertion strikes me as irrational. Moving from battery-farmed
    >eggs to cage-free eggs is of course an improvement, and moving to no
    >eggs at all is at least as much of an improvement.


    Not from my pov. From my pov not supporting the cage free method is nothing
    more than not supporting the cage free method. I believe the cage method is
    cruel but that most cage free hens have lives of positive value to them. If you
    don't know what that means yet then you just don't know.

    >> Vegans help livestock like dead people help livestock, while at the
    >> same time still contributing to the deaths of wildlife that most people do.

    >
    >The belief is that most animals living on modern farms have lives
    >which contain a lot of suffering, and the motivation is to reduce the
    >number of animals who are brought into existence in order to lead such
    >lives. Veganism sounds like one pretty rational strategy for achieving
    >this goal. But perhaps you think that there is something wrong with
    >the goal?


    I believe a lot of livestock do have lives of positive value, and that
    almost all of them could if people took the interest. Amusingly before I started
    posting here I imagined that sort of thing and what could be done to make their
    lives better was the sort of things people discussed, and WHICH animals have
    lives of positive value and which do not. LOL...you people can't get anywhere
    near stuff like that.

  20. #140
    Bryan Guest

    Default Re: Vegetarian Breakfast Sausage (meatless sausage)

    On Oct 11, 2:56*pm, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not> wrote:
    > On 10/11/2012 12:53 PM, Bryan wrote:
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > > On Oct 11, 2:06 pm, George Plimpton <geo...@si.not> wrote:
    > >> On 10/11/2012 11:56 AM, Mr. N.A.Cho wrote:

    >
    > >>> On Oct 11, 4:27 am, Rupert <rupertmccal...@yahoo.com> wrote:
    > >>>> On Oct 10, 5:53 pm, "Mr. N.A.Cho" <ThisSpaceForR...@mail.com> wrote:

    >
    > >>>>> On Oct 10, 11:47 am, "The Undead Edward M. Kennedy" <e...@o.com>
    > >>>>> wrote:

    >
    > >>>>>> "Rupert" <rupertmccal...@yahoo.com> wrote

    >
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Check this out Its great
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>http://youtu.be/1LIyVBWaE_A

    >
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>> It's ****. It's unpalatable ****.

    >
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Why are "vegans" continually trying to make stuff look likeand taste like meat? *Extremely* suspicious.

    >
    > >>>>>>>>>>>> It's mostly for people who like meat but are trying to eat "healthy".

    >
    > >>>>>>>>>>>>> No one likes "vegan" food - no one.

    >
    > >>>>>>>>>>>> Some actually do, the problem is none of them are healthy.

    >
    > >>>>>>>>>>> This isn't true. Just about everyone enjoys some food which is
    > >>>>>>>>>>> suitable for vegans. And a significant majority of those people are
    > >>>>>>>>>>> healthy. Furthermore a significant majority of those who consume an
    > >>>>>>>>>>> exclusively vegan diet are quite healthy. The American Dietetic
    > >>>>>>>>>>> Association has endorsed the position that appropriately-planned vegan
    > >>>>>>>>>>> diets are nutritionally adequate at all stages of life, and carry many
    > >>>>>>>>>>> significant health benefits.

    >
    > >>>>>>>>>>> -----

    >
    > >>>>>>>>>>> I was talking about vegans. While technically you and the ADDare
    > >>>>>>>>>>> correct, it's like claiming unicorn farts are part of your diet. Show
    > >>>>>>>>>>> me the vegan who can appropriate plan a diet at all stages oflife,
    > >>>>>>>>>>> and I'll show you a unicorn because people need meat and dairy.

    >
    > >>>>>>>>>>> --Tedward

    >
    > >>>>>>>>>> You're an idiot.- Hide quoted text -

    >
    > >>>>>>>>> <
    > >>>>>>>>> <I'd like to see the type of person that's a cradle to grave vegan.

    >
    > >>>>>>>>> The kid would break his hip taking the first step...

    >
    > >>>>>>>>> --Tedward

    >
    > >>>>>>>> Two friends of mine have been bringing up their children as vegan
    > >>>>>>>> since birth (with the possible exception of breast milk, I am not
    > >>>>>>>> sure). The children are perfectly well. One of them is about seven
    > >>>>>>>> years old, I think.

    >
    > >>>>>>>> -----

    >
    > >>>>>>>> "exception of breast milk" indeed. A is A. Not A is not A.

    >
    > >>>>>>>> You got two imaginary friends and Mr. Cho provided an actual picture.

    >
    > >>>>>>>> --Tedward

    >
    > >>>>>>> They are not imaginary friends. The fact that I don't have photosof
    > >>>>>>> them to hand is irrelevant; photos would prove nothing. An image of an
    > >>>>>>> anorexic person has no bearing on the issue.

    >
    > >>>>>>> Your opinions are ignorant prejudices; you don't have any idea ofwhat
    > >>>>>>> you're talking about. If you did you would provide some real evidence.

    >
    > >>>>>>> -----

    >
    > >>>>>>> Now you're resorting to Ad Hominid attacks, a sure sign you've lost
    > >>>>>>> the argument.

    >
    > >>>>>> It's not an ad hominem argument. I am not basing my counter-argument
    > >>>>>> on the assertion that your opinions are ignorant prejudices, I have
    > >>>>>> given you plenty of good evidence to support my claims. The assertion
    > >>>>>> that your opinions are ignorant prejudices is just a factual
    > >>>>>> observation which I choose to put in there as well. It is quite
    > >>>>>> obviously true because you have shown yourself to be incapable of
    > >>>>>> producing any evidence to support your ill-founded beliefs.

    >
    > >>>>>> If you insist on remaining ignorant then it's no skin off my nose;I
    > >>>>>> really couldn't care less.

    >
    > >>>>>> -----

    >
    > >>>>>> Evidence? *We've provided a ton. *You admit backhandedly that
    > >>>>>> children need milk. *We have canines. *We've all seen sickly looking
    > >>>>>> vegans (who BTW overlap with goths heavily).

    >
    > >>>>> maybe I'm shallow, hell I'll admit that I probably am - but you don't
    > >>>>> see many (ANY?) decent looking vegans. *They all look pasty and
    > >>>>> malnourished. * ****, comparing them to goths is being kind, I'd
    > >>>>> compare them to zombies.

    >
    > >>>> How would you know? Do you have some special faculty whereby whenever
    > >>>> you see someone walking down the street you can instantly tell whether
    > >>>> or not they are vegan?

    >
    > >>> you can make educated guesses - gaunt, pasty-complexion, no muscle
    > >>> tone, stringy hair, veggie body odor, listless eyes, etc

    >
    > >> I think it's obviously possible to make some wrong guesses, just as it's
    > >> possible to guess wrong about who's a queer and who isn't, but I think
    > >> it's not all that hard to be right more often than not. *The reason is
    > >> that there are a lot of other "tells" available. *All "vegans" are
    > >> left-wingers, although not all left-wingers are "vegans"; but if you see
    > >> a car plastered with a lot of ecotopian slogans and other left-wing
    > >> blabber, there's a pretty good chance that the owner is at least an
    > >> extreme vegetarian, if not "vegan". *Also, if the driver gets out ofthe
    > >> car and is wearing Birkenstocks, that's another good "tell".

    >
    > > That's all correct George, and I am one of the exceptions. *I am a
    > > Lefty who could slaughter an animal and cut a piece out and eat it raw
    > > right on the spot, and I could take joy in watching a Right-winger be
    > > slowly eaten by piranhas while I chose not to throw a lifeline that
    > > was two feet away from my hand.

    >
    > ...thus showing there are other ways to be a ****bag beyond being a food
    > Nazi.


    What? Being an economic Nazi? Thinking that the government exists to
    create a safe climate for corporate exploitation?

    --Bryan

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