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  1. #1
    Paul M. Cook Guest

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    "Mark Thorson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]..
    > He fills up his van and resells the goods
    > at his shop in Canada for a profit.
    >
    > http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/T...rt-4736782.php
    >
    > There are no Trader Joe's in Canada.


    This is a crime? It's done all the time.



  2. #2
    Ed Pawlowski Guest

    Default Re: Trader Joe's sues their best customer

    On Sun, 25 Aug 2013 15:59:28 -0800, Mark Thorson <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    >He fills up his van and resells the goods
    >at his shop in Canada for a profit.
    >
    >http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/T...rt-4736782.php
    >
    >There are no Trader Joe's in Canada.



    They should give him a 20% discount and thank him. WTF?, this is
    crazy, IMO.

  3. #3
    Nancy Young Guest

    Default Re: Trader Joe's sues their best customer

    On 8/25/2013 7:31 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
    > On Sun, 25 Aug 2013 15:59:28 -0800, Mark Thorson <[email protected]>
    > wrote:
    >
    >> He fills up his van and resells the goods
    >> at his shop in Canada for a profit.
    >>
    >> http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/T...rt-4736782.php
    >>
    >> There are no Trader Joe's in Canada.

    >
    >
    > They should give him a 20% discount and thank him. WTF?, this is
    > crazy, IMO.
    >

    That was my reaction, too.

    nancy

  4. #4
    [email protected] Guest

    Default Re: Trader Joe's sues their best customer

    On Sunday, August 25, 2013 4:02:32 PM UTC-7, Mark Thorson wrote:


    > He fills up his van and resells the goods
    > at his shop in Canada for a profit
    >
    > http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/T...rt-4736782.php
    >


    > There are no Trader Joe's in Canada.


    Pirate Joe's is an unauthorized reseller. He sells trademarked goods but is
    neither the trademark holder nor a licensee. The food products were not made
    in compliance with Canadian or BC provincial law. He is opening Trader Joe --
    an American company -- to all sorts of foreign legal exposure, civil and
    possibly criminal. Trader Joe's has to show they are diligently trying
    to stop him.

  5. #5
    Mark Thorson Guest

    Default Trader Joe's sues their best customer

    He fills up his van and resells the goods
    at his shop in Canada for a profit.

    http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/T...rt-4736782.php

    There are no Trader Joe's in Canada.

  6. #6
    Hench Guest

    Default Re: Trader Joe's sues their best customer

    On 8/25/2013 7:52 PM, [email protected] wrote:
    > On Sunday, August 25, 2013 4:02:32 PM UTC-7, Mark Thorson wrote:
    >
    >
    >> He fills up his van and resells the goods
    >> at his shop in Canada for a profit
    >>
    >> http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/T...rt-4736782.php
    >>

    >
    >> There are no Trader Joe's in Canada.

    >
    > Pirate Joe's is an unauthorized reseller. He sells trademarked goods but is
    > neither the trademark holder nor a licensee. The food products were not made
    > in compliance with Canadian or BC provincial law. He is opening Trader Joe --
    > an American company -- to all sorts of foreign legal exposure, civil and
    > possibly criminal. Trader Joe's has to show they are diligently trying
    > to stop him.
    >


    As much as I want to cheer for this little guy and almost admire that he
    had the balls to do this, i hope the trademark holders win and I hope
    the consumers in BC and elsewhere here in Canada are protected.

  7. #7
    Paul M. Cook Guest

    Default Re: Trader Joe's sues their best customer


    <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]..
    > On Sunday, August 25, 2013 4:02:32 PM UTC-7, Mark Thorson wrote:
    >
    >
    >> He fills up his van and resells the goods
    >> at his shop in Canada for a profit
    >>
    >> http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/T...rt-4736782.php
    >>

    >
    >> There are no Trader Joe's in Canada.

    >
    > Pirate Joe's is an unauthorized reseller. He sells trademarked goods but
    > is
    > neither the trademark holder nor a licensee. The food products were not
    > made
    > in compliance with Canadian or BC provincial law. He is opening Trader
    > Joe --
    > an American company -- to all sorts of foreign legal exposure, civil and
    > possibly criminal. Trader Joe's has to show they are diligently trying
    > to stop him.


    It's done all the time. Say he was selling Tide detergent. You do not need
    a license to sell Tide detergent. Anyone can resell anything they buy
    unless it is a licensed product such as software. You buy it you own it.
    Canada allows the products across the border. Therefore they are cool with
    it. What legal exposure? Somebody got a paper cut opening a box of
    granola? TJs is a German company. It is only illegal if you misrepresent
    who you are.



  8. #8
    Paul M. Cook Guest

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    "Hench" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:kve88b$j00$[email protected]..
    > On 8/25/2013 7:52 PM, [email protected] wrote:
    >> On Sunday, August 25, 2013 4:02:32 PM UTC-7, Mark Thorson wrote:
    >>
    >>
    >>> He fills up his van and resells the goods
    >>> at his shop in Canada for a profit
    >>>
    >>> http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/T...rt-4736782.php
    >>>

    >>
    >>> There are no Trader Joe's in Canada.

    >>
    >> Pirate Joe's is an unauthorized reseller. He sells trademarked goods but
    >> is
    >> neither the trademark holder nor a licensee. The food products were not
    >> made
    >> in compliance with Canadian or BC provincial law. He is opening Trader
    >> Joe --
    >> an American company -- to all sorts of foreign legal exposure, civil and
    >> possibly criminal. Trader Joe's has to show they are diligently trying
    >> to stop him.
    >>

    >
    > As much as I want to cheer for this little guy and almost admire that he
    > had the balls to do this, i hope the trademark holders win and I hope the
    > consumers in BC and elsewhere here in Canada are protected.



    How is this different than, say eBay? It isn't. Same thing. He is paying
    full retail for those products. He never signed a distributor agreement.
    He is not harming TJs. He is adding to their bottom line. If the food was
    not manufactured to Canadian standards they would never allow it across the
    border.

    I will wager that TJs has not opened stores in Canada because they are
    protesting Canadian labor laws. This guy proved they can make a lot more
    money in Canada. But they don't ant to pay the extra labor cost as a matter
    of principle.




  9. #9
    jmcquown Guest

    Default Re: Trader Joe's sues their best customer

    On 8/25/2013 7:52 PM, [email protected] wrote:
    > On Sunday, August 25, 2013 4:02:32 PM UTC-7, Mark Thorson wrote:
    >
    >
    >> He fills up his van and resells the goods
    >> at his shop in Canada for a profit
    >>
    >> http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/T...rt-4736782.php
    >>

    >
    >> There are no Trader Joe's in Canada.

    >
    > Pirate Joe's is an unauthorized reseller. He sells trademarked goods but is
    > neither the trademark holder nor a licensee. The food products were not made
    > in compliance with Canadian or BC provincial law. He is opening Trader Joe --
    > an American company -- to all sorts of foreign legal exposure, civil and
    > possibly criminal. Trader Joe's has to show they are diligently trying
    > to stop him.
    >

    I agree with this assessment. He doesn't have the right to resell their
    *branded* (that's a key word) merchandise in Canada at his own store
    without a legal, binding agreement.

    Jill

  10. #10
    Hench Guest

    Default Re: Trader Joe's sues their best customer

    On 8/25/2013 9:01 PM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
    > "Hench" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:kve88b$j00$[email protected]..
    >> On 8/25/2013 7:52 PM, [email protected] wrote:
    >>> On Sunday, August 25, 2013 4:02:32 PM UTC-7, Mark Thorson wrote:
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>> He fills up his van and resells the goods
    >>>> at his shop in Canada for a profit
    >>>>
    >>>> http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/T...rt-4736782.php
    >>>>
    >>>
    >>>> There are no Trader Joe's in Canada.
    >>>
    >>> Pirate Joe's is an unauthorized reseller. He sells trademarked goods but
    >>> is
    >>> neither the trademark holder nor a licensee. The food products were not
    >>> made
    >>> in compliance with Canadian or BC provincial law. He is opening Trader
    >>> Joe --
    >>> an American company -- to all sorts of foreign legal exposure, civil and
    >>> possibly criminal. Trader Joe's has to show they are diligently trying
    >>> to stop him.
    >>>

    >>
    >> As much as I want to cheer for this little guy and almost admire that he
    >> had the balls to do this, i hope the trademark holders win and I hope the
    >> consumers in BC and elsewhere here in Canada are protected.

    >
    >
    > How is this different than, say eBay? It isn't. Same thing. He is paying
    > full retail for those products. He never signed a distributor agreement.
    > He is not harming TJs. He is adding to their bottom line. If the food was
    > not manufactured to Canadian standards they would never allow it across the
    > border.
    >
    > I will wager that TJs has not opened stores in Canada because they are
    > protesting Canadian labor laws. This guy proved they can make a lot more
    > money in Canada. But they don't ant to pay the extra labor cost as a matter
    > of principle.
    >
    >
    >


    What Canadian labour laws are there to protest. Plenty of American food
    retailers operate in Canada. Costco and Walmart and Target seem to do
    okay. A and P did okay too for many years. So did IGA. Then there's
    McDonald's and their kind...

    Trader Joe's most likely doesn't operate in Canada because most
    Canadians have never heard of them. I never heard of them til this
    thread. If this trader joe's company thinks there is a market for their
    products in Canada, I'm sure they would open. Since the market in
    Canada is much smaller, many international retailers ignore Canada.

    I don't know anyone who has heard of this Trader Joe's company. Since
    Vancouver has suburbs that run alongside the USA border, maybe people
    there are more familar so they buy black market products there.

    Its anyone's guess what this Trader joe's company even sells although I
    assume it's food because of the provided link



  11. #11
    [email protected] Guest

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    On Sunday, August 25, 2013 5:51:12 PM UTC-7, Paul M. Cook wrote:
    > <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >
    > news:[email protected]..
    >
    > > On Sunday, August 25, 2013 4:02:32 PM UTC-7, Mark Thorson wrote:

    >
    > >> He fills up his van and resells the goods
    > >> at his shop in Canada for a profit

    >
    > >> http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/T...rt-4736782.php

    >
    >
    > >> There are no Trader Joe's in Canada.

    >
    > > Pirate Joe's is an unauthorized reseller. He sells trademarked goods but
    > > is
    > > neither the trademark holder nor a licensee. The food products were not
    > > made
    > > in compliance with Canadian or BC provincial law. He is opening Trader
    > > Joe --
    > > an American company -- to all sorts of foreign legal exposure, civil and
    > > possibly criminal. Trader Joe's has to show they are diligently trying
    > > to stop him.

    >
    >
    >
    > It's done all the time. Say he was selling Tide detergent. You do not need
    > a license to sell Tide detergent. Anyone can resell anything they buy
    > unless it is a licensed product such as software. You buy it you own it.


    If you opened a storefront selling Tide detergent, Procter and Gamble would
    have something to say about this. We're not talking about one or two items
    bought for personal use, but a retail store. This is the grey market -- there
    is no market for second-hand food.


    >
    > Canada allows the products across the border. Therefore they are cool with
    > it. What legal exposure? Somebody got a paper cut opening a box of
    > granola? TJs is a German company. It is only illegal if you misrepresent
    > who you are.


    Canada Customs and Excise is cool with it. Bring all the stuff in you want.
    Fill your pantry. Go crazy.

    Among other things, the labels are not bilingual English-French. Food products sold in Canada must meet these requirements:

    http://www.competitionbureau.gc.ca/e...eng/01248.html

    As to what legal exposure, Trader Joe gets sued ALL THE TIME. Here's one stupid
    example:

    http://www.foodnavigator-usa.com/Reg...e-says-lawsuit

    There's no Trader Joe's in Germany.

    Trader Joe's Company is a California corporation owned by another California
    corporation (T.A.C.T Holdings) owned by a German corporation.

  12. #12
    Julie Bove Guest

    Default Re: Trader Joe's sues their best customer


    "Hench" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:kvec2r$3c2$[email protected]..
    > On 8/25/2013 9:01 PM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
    >> "Hench" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >> news:kve88b$j00$[email protected]..
    >>> On 8/25/2013 7:52 PM, [email protected] wrote:
    >>>> On Sunday, August 25, 2013 4:02:32 PM UTC-7, Mark Thorson wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>> He fills up his van and resells the goods
    >>>>> at his shop in Canada for a profit
    >>>>>
    >>>>> http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/T...rt-4736782.php
    >>>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>> There are no Trader Joe's in Canada.
    >>>>
    >>>> Pirate Joe's is an unauthorized reseller. He sells trademarked goods
    >>>> but
    >>>> is
    >>>> neither the trademark holder nor a licensee. The food products were not
    >>>> made
    >>>> in compliance with Canadian or BC provincial law. He is opening Trader
    >>>> Joe --
    >>>> an American company -- to all sorts of foreign legal exposure, civil
    >>>> and
    >>>> possibly criminal. Trader Joe's has to show they are diligently trying
    >>>> to stop him.
    >>>>
    >>>
    >>> As much as I want to cheer for this little guy and almost admire that he
    >>> had the balls to do this, i hope the trademark holders win and I hope
    >>> the
    >>> consumers in BC and elsewhere here in Canada are protected.

    >>
    >>
    >> How is this different than, say eBay? It isn't. Same thing. He is
    >> paying
    >> full retail for those products. He never signed a distributor agreement.
    >> He is not harming TJs. He is adding to their bottom line. If the food
    >> was
    >> not manufactured to Canadian standards they would never allow it across
    >> the
    >> border.
    >>
    >> I will wager that TJs has not opened stores in Canada because they are
    >> protesting Canadian labor laws. This guy proved they can make a lot more
    >> money in Canada. But they don't ant to pay the extra labor cost as a
    >> matter
    >> of principle.
    >>
    >>
    >>

    >
    > What Canadian labour laws are there to protest. Plenty of American food
    > retailers operate in Canada. Costco and Walmart and Target seem to do
    > okay. A and P did okay too for many years. So did IGA. Then there's
    > McDonald's and their kind...
    >
    > Trader Joe's most likely doesn't operate in Canada because most Canadians
    > have never heard of them. I never heard of them til this thread. If this
    > trader joe's company thinks there is a market for their products in
    > Canada, I'm sure they would open. Since the market in Canada is much
    > smaller, many international retailers ignore Canada.
    >
    > I don't know anyone who has heard of this Trader Joe's company. Since
    > Vancouver has suburbs that run alongside the USA border, maybe people
    > there are more familar so they buy black market products there.
    >
    > Its anyone's guess what this Trader joe's company even sells although I
    > assume it's food because of the provided link


    They're nothing special IMO. They sell food and beverages, pet food,
    vitamins and supplements, some HBA and cleaning supplies. Some organic
    stuff, some not. Might be unique in some areas but not here.

    I don't live far from Vancouver and although I haven't been there recently,
    it isn't really much different than Seattle. Which is one reason why I
    haven't been recently. Nothing to see. I used to go for the Scotch Mints
    but I no longer eat them and if I did, I could get them online.


  13. #13
    The Other Guy Guest

    Default Re: Trader Joe's sues their best customer

    On Sun, 25 Aug 2013 15:59:28 -0800, Mark Thorson <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    >He fills up his van and resells the goods
    >at his shop in Canada for a profit.
    >
    >http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/T...rt-4736782.php
    >
    >There are no Trader Joe's in Canada.


    Unfortunately, recent changes to copyright law
    make it LIKELY he'll lose.








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  14. #14
    The Other Guy Guest

    Default Re: Trader Joe's sues their best customer

    On Sun, 25 Aug 2013 20:41:49 -0400, Hench <[email protected]> wrote:

    >As much as I want to cheer for this little guy and almost admire that he
    >had the balls to do this, i hope the trademark holders win and I hope
    >the consumers in BC and elsewhere here in Canada are protected.


    WHAT the &uc( you talkin about, Willis???







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  15. #15
    The Other Guy Guest

    Default Re: Trader Joe's sues their best customer

    On Sun, 25 Aug 2013 17:51:12 -0700, "Paul M. Cook" <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    >It's done all the time.


    Not nowadays.






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  16. #16
    Ed Pawlowski Guest

    Default Re: Trader Joe's sues their best customer

    On Sun, 25 Aug 2013 21:35:28 -0400, jmcquown <[email protected]>
    wrote:



    >>

    >I agree with this assessment. He doesn't have the right to resell their
    >*branded* (that's a key word) merchandise in Canada at his own store
    >without a legal, binding agreement.
    >
    >Jill


    My wife's business resold plenty of branded merchandise, as have
    thousands of other retailers, with no agreements. Do you think every
    grocer has an agreement with Green Giant or P&G?

    It was paid for and not misrepresented, it is not a knock off. If you
    have a box of unopened Wheaties in your cupboard and you sell them to
    me, should you go to jail?

    He is not cheating anyone, he is not taking sales away from TJ. I
    don't see the problem. If Canada has a problem with imported goods,
    that is a different situation altogether.

  17. #17
    Ed Pawlowski Guest

    Default Re: Trader Joe's sues their best customer

    On Sun, 25 Aug 2013 18:50:30 -0700 (PDT), [email protected]
    wrote:



    >
    >If you opened a storefront selling Tide detergent, Procter and Gamble would
    >have something to say about this. We're not talking about one or two items
    >bought for personal use, but a retail store. This is the grey market -- there
    >is no market for second-hand food.
    >


    Really? What would they say? The corner grocer has no agreement with
    P&G. They buy Tide from a distributor and they sell it.

  18. #18
    Paul M. Cook Guest

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    "The Other Guy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]..
    > On Sun, 25 Aug 2013 15:59:28 -0800, Mark Thorson <[email protected]>
    > wrote:
    >
    >>He fills up his van and resells the goods
    >>at his shop in Canada for a profit.
    >>
    >>http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/T...rt-4736782.php
    >>
    >>There are no Trader Joe's in Canada.

    >
    > Unfortunately, recent changes to copyright law
    > make it LIKELY he'll lose.
    >


    Copyright? If I sell a box of Cheerios am I breaking copyright laws? This
    guy is doing nothing more than reselling used blue jeans.



  19. #19
    Paul M. Cook Guest

    Default Re: Trader Joe's sues their best customer


    "The Other Guy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]..
    > On Sun, 25 Aug 2013 17:51:12 -0700, "Paul M. Cook" <[email protected]>
    > wrote:
    >
    >>It's done all the time.

    >
    > Not nowadays.



    We call them thrift stores. They sell everything including drygoods. In
    original packaging, too.



  20. #20
    Sqwertz Guest

    Default Re: Trader Joe's sues their best customer

    On Sun, 25 Aug 2013 15:59:28 -0800, Mark Thorson wrote:

    > He fills up his van and resells the goods
    > at his shop in Canada for a profit.
    >
    > http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/T...rt-4736782.php
    >
    > There are no Trader Joe's in Canada.


    It would probably cost them less to just open up a Trader Joes right
    across the street from him.

    -sw

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