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  1. #1
    notbob Guest

    Default Surcharge (auto-tip) Yay? Nay?

    Boy, this outta be good for a battle royal.

    Should restaurant patrons be subject to an automatic surcharge (it's
    not a tip!) for groups over a certain number?

    I think not. I once ran across this at a Chevy's. Surcharge for
    parties over six ppl. For what? Why? How is serving 6 ppl at one
    table more work than serving 3 ppl at two tables? And 18%! That's
    almost one fifth of the total added on. It's not only unfair, it's a
    rip-off, pure and simple. If it's such a chore to serve 6 ppl at one
    table, perhaps the proprietor should find another line of work or have
    smaller tables with a big sign out front.

    BTW, how in God's name (it was church folk) did 20 ppl manage to run
    up a bill of only $34 at an Applebees? Did they all order jes one
    Coke? If I'd been the mgr, Ida told the entire lot to "fly away"
    .....NOW!

    nb



  2. #2
    I'm back Guest

    Default Re: Surcharge (auto-tip) Yay? Nay?

    notbob <[email protected]> wrote in
    news:[email protected]:

    > Boy, this outta be good for a battle royal.
    >
    > Should restaurant patrons be subject to an automatic surcharge (it's
    > not a tip!) for groups over a certain number?
    >



    If there's a surcharge, then you shouldn't have to tip.

    Bottom line, the USA should pay their workers the rate they are entitled
    to, as the rest of the (civilised) world does.... instead of being the
    cheap assholes they are and paying "minimum wage" where the worker has to
    survive on tips to live.

    If you pay your workers peanuts, you get monkeys doing the job.

    --
    Peter
    Brisbane
    Australia

    Success isn't so difficult.
    Just bite off more than you can chew,
    then go do it.

  3. #3
    Ed Pawlowski Guest

    Default Re: Surcharge (auto-tip) Yay? Nay?

    On 2 Feb 2013 13:00:23 GMT, notbob <[email protected]> wrote:

    >Boy, this outta be good for a battle royal.
    >
    >Should restaurant patrons be subject to an automatic surcharge (it's
    >not a tip!) for groups over a certain number?
    >
    >I think not. I once ran across this at a Chevy's. Surcharge for
    >parties over six ppl. For what? Why? How is serving 6 ppl at one
    >table more work than serving 3 ppl at two tables? And 18%! That's
    >almost one fifth of the total added on. It's not only unfair, it's a
    >rip-off, pure and simple. If it's such a chore to serve 6 ppl at one
    >table, perhaps the proprietor should find another line of work or have
    >smaller tables with a big sign out front.
    >
    >BTW, how in God's name (it was church folk) did 20 ppl manage to run
    >up a bill of only $34 at an Applebees? Did they all order jes one
    >Coke? If I'd been the mgr, Ida told the entire lot to "fly away"
    >....NOW!
    >
    >nb
    >
    >


    Surcharge? No. Tip? Yes.

    If the surcharge is going to the house, I'd walk out. If going to the
    wait staff, I'd just pay it and not leave a tip since that is the tip.
    While I'm of the nature that it should be my choice how much to tip,
    there are valid reasons to charge for the larger parties. The reason
    is, left to their own devices, they usually don't tip much at all. The
    larger the group, the more meager the tip.

    You can make arguments both ways, such as paying a good wage and
    eliminating the tip. As long as you know up front, I don't have a
    problem with the 18% add on. Every year at our Christmas party (about
    40 people) they add the 18%. Unlike the cheapo pastor, the bill is
    paid with additional tip added.

  4. #4
    John Kuthe Guest

    Default Re: Surcharge (auto-tip) Yay? Nay?

    On 2 Feb 2013 13:00:23 GMT, notbob <[email protected]> wrote:

    >Boy, this outta be good for a battle royal.
    >
    >Should restaurant patrons be subject to an automatic surcharge (it's
    >not a tip!) for groups over a certain number?

    ....

    I think not too. If any restaurant I ever went charged an automatic
    "tip" then not only would that be ALL they got as a tip (I typically
    tip very well too, more than 20%) it would also be ther last time I
    ever patronized them!

    John Kuthe...

  5. #5
    notbob Guest

    Default Re: Surcharge (auto-tip) Yay? Nay?

    On 2013-02-02, Ed Pawlowski <esp@s[email protected]> wrote:

    > If the surcharge is going to the house, I'd walk out. If going to the
    > wait staff, I'd just pay it and not leave a tip since that is the tip.


    I don't care how the establishment justifies it or works it out. Not
    my problem. It's merely an expense to me.

    > While I'm of the nature that it should be my choice how much to tip,
    > there are valid reasons to charge for the larger parties. The reason
    > is, left to their own devices, they usually don't tip much at all. The
    > larger the group, the more meager the tip.


    That's a social/psychological issue and I tend to agree. I've seen
    this social dynamic in action too many time. Makes ya' wanna knock
    some of yer fellow diners upside the head. My solution, I don't dine
    with those ppl.

    This entire issue could easily be solved if the establishment DID put
    the charge up front. Large block letters hanging over the door. YOU
    WILL BE CHARGED....! But no, most establishments hide it, like a
    dirty littel secret, then spring it at the last moment. 'Well, we
    want your business, but we want you to pay extra if...' It's a cheat,
    a con, and it's as slimey as the non-tippers in groups who hide behind
    the anonymity of numbers.

    I figure it this way. One or two ppl, ppl feel exposed, vulnerable,
    'Everyone will know I'm a blackguard if I stiff the server', so they
    pay a decent tip. But, get in a group, where there are many, and ppl
    get all devious and tightfisted, 'No one will know it's me who is
    scurvy dirtbag of the lowest order'. I've had fights with ppl like
    this. In fact I had a boss who absolutely refused any kind of tip at
    all. "NO! I don't tip". What an ass! We knew we'd hafta pony up to
    cover his shortage. It got so I jes declined his invites.

    Carry on.

    nb


  6. #6
    Nunya Bidnits Guest

    Default Re: Surcharge (auto-tip) Yay? Nay?

    notbob <[email protected]> wrote:
    > Boy, this outta be good for a battle royal.
    >
    > Should restaurant patrons be subject to an automatic surcharge (it's
    > not a tip!) for groups over a certain number?
    >
    > I think not. I once ran across this at a Chevy's. Surcharge for
    > parties over six ppl. For what? Why? How is serving 6 ppl at one
    > table more work than serving 3 ppl at two tables? And 18%! That's
    > almost one fifth of the total added on. It's not only unfair, it's a
    > rip-off, pure and simple. If it's such a chore to serve 6 ppl at one
    > table, perhaps the proprietor should find another line of work or have
    > smaller tables with a big sign out front.
    >
    > BTW, how in God's name (it was church folk) did 20 ppl manage to run
    > up a bill of only $34 at an Applebees? Did they all order jes one
    > Coke? If I'd been the mgr, Ida told the entire lot to "fly away"
    > ....NOW!
    >
    > nb


    It's a tip, a gratuity. It's added because larger parties sometimes parlay
    their money to pay the bill and sometimes the tip suffers in the process. A
    table of eight is a substantial part of a server's potential income for an
    evening.

    If an automatic gratuity is charged, no matter what it is called, then
    AFAIAC it's the tip. I won't leave any additional tip unless I received some
    outstanding service above and beyond expectations.

    MartyB


  7. #7
    Gary Guest

    Default Re: Surcharge (auto-tip) Yay? Nay?

    Ed Pawlowski wrote:
    >
    > You can make arguments both ways, such as paying a good wage and
    > eliminating the tip. As long as you know up front, I don't have a
    > problem with the 18% add on. Every year at our Christmas party (about
    > 40 people) they add the 18%. Unlike the cheapo pastor, the bill is
    > paid with additional tip added.


    I don't eat out often but when I do I always tip 25-30 percent. I know
    that's high but I also realize that waitresses get paid very little and
    count on tips. I appreciate their care (if it's good) so I don't mind
    paying that.

    If I wanted to save money, I'd cook at home for much cheaper, even without
    the tip.

    Gary

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    Bryan Guest

    Default Re: Surcharge (auto-tip) Yay? Nay?

    On Saturday, February 2, 2013 7:17:38 AM UTC-6, I'm back wrote:
    >
    >
    > If you pay your workers peanuts, you get monkeys doing the job.
    >

    No. If you pay your workers peanuts, you get elephants. If you pay
    your workers *bananas*, you get monkeys. Don't little Australian
    children learn these things?

    This incident happened, yeah, you guessed it, in St. Louis. It's about
    2 blocks from where The Bonobos were headquartered. Speaking of elephants,
    that pastor bears some resemblance.
    http://www.heavy.com/regions/2013/02...-need-to-know/
    >
    > --
    >
    > Peter
    >

    --Bryan

  9. #9
    Dave Smith Guest

    Default Re: Surcharge (auto-tip) Yay? Nay?

    On 02/02/2013 9:31 AM, Nunya Bidnits wrote:

    >
    > It's a tip, a gratuity. It's added because larger parties sometimes
    > parlay their money to pay the bill and sometimes the tip suffers in the
    > process. A table of eight is a substantial part of a server's potential
    > income for an evening.


    Indeed. There is always at least on tightwad in the group who will not
    even pay his or her share of the bill, so forget about the tip. Some
    poor sucker is left with the responsibility to gather up all
    contributions and invariably will feel embarrassed about the measly tip.


    >
    > If an automatic gratuity is charged, no matter what it is called, then
    > AFAIAC it's the tip. I won't leave any additional tip unless I received
    > some outstanding service above and beyond expectations.


    For sure. A a gratuity, by definition, is voluntary. If they tack on a
    service charge there is no need to leave an tip, unless the service was
    exceptional.


  10. #10
    Dave Smith Guest

    Default Re: Surcharge (auto-tip) Yay? Nay?

    On 02/02/2013 9:31 AM, Gary wrote:
    > Ed Pawlowski wrote:
    >>
    >> You can make arguments both ways, such as paying a good wage and
    >> eliminating the tip. As long as you know up front, I don't have a
    >> problem with the 18% add on. Every year at our Christmas party (about
    >> 40 people) they add the 18%. Unlike the cheapo pastor, the bill is
    >> paid with additional tip added.

    >
    > I don't eat out often but when I do I always tip 25-30 percent. I know
    > that's high but I also realize that waitresses get paid very little and
    > count on tips. I appreciate their care (if it's good) so I don't mind
    > paying that.


    You're right. It is high.

    >
    > If I wanted to save money, I'd cook at home for much cheaper, even without
    > the tip.
    >

    Sorry, but I don't buy into the argument that if you can afford to eat
    out you can afford to pay a larger tip. I am not into playing Mr.
    Bigshot and expecting wait staff to jump when I snap my fingers. They
    aren't trained dogs. The taking of orders and delivery of food is part
    of the service that you get when you eat in a restaurant. If I have to
    pay extra to get a smile and the patronizing tip soliciting behaviour I
    will take the food without the smile and save the money.





  11. #11
    zxcvbob Guest

    Default Re: Surcharge (auto-tip) Yay? Nay?

    notbob wrote:
    > Boy, this outta be good for a battle royal.
    >
    > Should restaurant patrons be subject to an automatic surcharge (it's
    > not a tip!) for groups over a certain number?
    >
    > I think not. I once ran across this at a Chevy's. Surcharge for
    > parties over six ppl. For what? Why? How is serving 6 ppl at one
    > table more work than serving 3 ppl at two tables? And 18%! That's
    > almost one fifth of the total added on. It's not only unfair, it's a
    > rip-off, pure and simple. If it's such a chore to serve 6 ppl at one
    > table, perhaps the proprietor should find another line of work or have
    > smaller tables with a big sign out front.
    >
    > BTW, how in God's name (it was church folk) did 20 ppl manage to run
    > up a bill of only $34 at an Applebees? Did they all order jes one
    > Coke? If I'd been the mgr, Ida told the entire lot to "fly away"
    > ....NOW!
    >




    If there's a surcharge (which pisses me off), I don't leave a tip. I
    tend to order cheap, but I'm a big tipper, so the waitress gets less
    this way.

    They must have each ordered just a coffee or iced tea. And then
    probably sat there taking up a big table for 90 minutes. If the place
    was almost empty, that's OK. If it was busy, manager should've asked
    them (after about 20 minutes) to order some food or leave.

    Bob

  12. #12
    sf Guest

    Default Re: Surcharge (auto-tip) Yay? Nay?

    On Sat, 02 Feb 2013 08:48:56 -0500, Ed Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote:

    > On 2 Feb 2013 13:00:23 GMT, notbob <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    > >Boy, this outta be good for a battle royal.
    > >
    > >Should restaurant patrons be subject to an automatic surcharge (it's
    > >not a tip!) for groups over a certain number?
    > >
    > >I think not. I once ran across this at a Chevy's. Surcharge for
    > >parties over six ppl. For what? Why? How is serving 6 ppl at one
    > >table more work than serving 3 ppl at two tables? And 18%! That's
    > >almost one fifth of the total added on. It's not only unfair, it's a
    > >rip-off, pure and simple. If it's such a chore to serve 6 ppl at one
    > >table, perhaps the proprietor should find another line of work or have
    > >smaller tables with a big sign out front.
    > >
    > >BTW, how in God's name (it was church folk) did 20 ppl manage to run
    > >up a bill of only $34 at an Applebees? Did they all order jes one
    > >Coke? If I'd been the mgr, Ida told the entire lot to "fly away"
    > >....NOW!
    > >

    At least you got that part right... and tell them to never come back
    as a final fare-thee-well.
    >
    > Surcharge? No. Tip? Yes.
    >
    > If the surcharge is going to the house, I'd walk out. If going to the
    > wait staff, I'd just pay it and not leave a tip since that is the tip.


    Exactly. At least the places I've eaten at that have the policy have
    the presence of mind to call it a "gratuity", not a surcharge. You're
    free to tip more and we often do when we see the staff was paying
    close attention to the table.

    > While I'm of the nature that it should be my choice how much to tip,
    > there are valid reasons to charge for the larger parties. The reason
    > is, left to their own devices, they usually don't tip much at all. The
    > larger the group, the more meager the tip.


    As the money "taker", you're lucky to get what you need for the food
    itself and often left holding the bag for tip. That's why just
    splitting the bill evenly works better (no matter what the individuals
    order). If alcohol is involved, the drinkers are responsible for
    their own bar tabs and if anyone doesn't like that financial
    arrangement, they are free to decline to join in.
    >
    > You can make arguments both ways, such as paying a good wage and
    > eliminating the tip. As long as you know up front, I don't have a
    > problem with the 18% add on. Every year at our Christmas party (about
    > 40 people) they add the 18%. Unlike the cheapo pastor, the bill is
    > paid with additional tip added.


    Agreed on all points and 15-20% is what any normal person in their
    right mind gives and more when the server is really paying attention
    to you. Most servers do not have company benefits and live off their
    tips. Cheap skates like NB and that pastor shouldn't be allowed to
    eat out.

    --
    Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

  13. #13
    Gary Guest

    Default Re: Surcharge (auto-tip) Yay? Nay?

    Dave Smith wrote:
    >
    > On 02/02/2013 9:31 AM, Gary wrote:


    > > I don't eat out often but when I do I always tip 25-30 percent. I know
    > > that's high but I also realize that waitresses get paid very little and
    > > count on tips. I appreciate their care (if it's good) so I don't mind
    > > paying that.

    >
    > You're right. It is high.
    >
    > >
    > > If I wanted to save money, I'd cook at home for much cheaper, even without
    > > the tip.
    > >

    > Sorry, but I don't buy into the argument that if you can afford to eat
    > out you can afford to pay a larger tip. I am not into playing Mr.
    > Bigshot and expecting wait staff to jump when I snap my fingers. They
    > aren't trained dogs. The taking of orders and delivery of food is part
    > of the service that you get when you eat in a restaurant. If I have to
    > pay extra to get a smile and the patronizing tip soliciting behaviour I
    > will take the food without the smile and save the money.


    That's not me, Dave. I don't play the bigshot,etc. The waitress has no idea
    what her tip will be until I leave. I am very polite and non-demanding at a
    restaurant but since I am being catered to, I have no problem leaving a
    slightly larger tip.

    For example... say for a party of 2-3 people and the bill comes to $100.
    Rather than pay $118, I will pay $125-130. We are talking a small
    difference of 7-12 dollars extra here for a tip to help out a good waitress
    who probably makes about $3 per hour plus tips.

    Your bill would be at least $118 (with an 18% tip). Will it kill you to add
    a few more dollars and make someones day?

    IMO, people that are tight with tipping should stay home and cook.

    Gary

  14. #14
    sf Guest

    Default Re: Surcharge (auto-tip) Yay? Nay?

    On 2 Feb 2013 14:20:47 GMT, notbob <[email protected]> wrote:

    >
    > This entire issue could easily be solved if the establishment DID put
    > the charge up front. Large block letters hanging over the door. YOU
    > WILL BE CHARGED....! But no, most establishments hide it, like a
    > dirty littel secret, then spring it at the last moment. 'Well, we
    > want your business, but we want you to pay extra if...' It's a cheat,
    > a con, and it's as slimey as the non-tippers in groups who hide behind
    > the anonymity of numbers.


    Automatic gratuity for parties over x people is usually in plain
    letters at the bottom of the menu. Most people haven't just fallen
    off the haywagon; so if an automatic gratuity charge is something you
    can't deal with - ask to see a menu before you put your butt in the
    chair or call first and ASK the host/hostess about their large group
    policy.

    --
    Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

  15. #15
    jmcquown Guest

    Default Re: Surcharge (auto-tip) Yay? Nay?

    On 2/2/2013 8:48 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
    > On 2 Feb 2013 13:00:23 GMT, notbob <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >> Boy, this outta be good for a battle royal.
    >>
    >> Should restaurant patrons be subject to an automatic surcharge (it's
    >> not a tip!) for groups over a certain number?
    >>
    >> I think not. I once ran across this at a Chevy's. Surcharge for
    >> parties over six ppl. For what? Why? How is serving 6 ppl at one
    >> table more work than serving 3 ppl at two tables? And 18%! That's
    >> almost one fifth of the total added on. It's not only unfair, it's a
    >> rip-off, pure and simple. If it's such a chore to serve 6 ppl at one
    >> table, perhaps the proprietor should find another line of work or have
    >> smaller tables with a big sign out front.
    >>
    >> BTW, how in God's name (it was church folk) did 20 ppl manage to run
    >> up a bill of only $34 at an Applebees? Did they all order jes one
    >> Coke? If I'd been the mgr, Ida told the entire lot to "fly away"
    >> ....NOW!
    >>
    >> nb
    >>
    >>

    >
    > Surcharge? No. Tip? Yes.
    >
    > If the surcharge is going to the house, I'd walk out. If going to the
    > wait staff, I'd just pay it and not leave a tip since that is the tip.
    > While I'm of the nature that it should be my choice how much to tip,
    > there are valid reasons to charge for the larger parties. The reason
    > is, left to their own devices, they usually don't tip much at all. The
    > larger the group, the more meager the tip.
    >

    Absolutely. On the flip side of having been a server, I've been out
    with large groups where they offered one check and added the gratuity.
    Seems okay in theory. The problem with that was some people chowed down
    on appetizers and ordered the most expensive items on the lunch menu.
    This should be split (monetarily) equally among the guests? Nope.

    Jill

  16. #16
    [email protected] Guest

    Default Re: Surcharge (auto-tip) Yay? Nay?

    On Sat, 02 Feb 2013 10:47:22 -0500, Gary <[email protected]> wrote:

    >That's not me, Dave. I don't play the bigshot,etc. The waitress has no idea
    >what her tip will be until I leave. I am very polite and non-demanding at a
    >restaurant but since I am being catered to, I have no problem leaving a
    >slightly larger tip.
    >
    >For example... say for a party of 2-3 people and the bill comes to $100.
    >Rather than pay $118, I will pay $125-130. We are talking a small
    >difference of 7-12 dollars extra here for a tip to help out a good waitress
    >who probably makes about $3 per hour plus tips.
    >
    >Your bill would be at least $118 (with an 18% tip). Will it kill you to add
    >a few more dollars and make someones day?
    >
    >IMO, people that are tight with tipping should stay home and cook.
    >
    >Gary


    I'm with you, except, if I receive poor service I might even not leave
    a tip. It's my way of saying that if they want to be rude, offhand
    etc. don't try it with me.

    I only ask they are cheerful, reasonably attentive if we need
    something more and a sense of humour is nice, I quite appreciate I
    would not want their job, that's why I tip well, even though I am an
    old woman whom somebody else proclaimed do not tip well !

    At Applebees here early in December, we could sense something was
    wrong and when I asked the server he said they had just been told the
    place was closing December 23 - miserable news - not easy to find
    another job at that time of year, so we left him a huge tip to try and
    help a bit. OTOH an East Side Mario's closed a week or so later and
    the staff only knew when they went to work, didn't even bother to let
    them know. It's really put me off that type of eatery now, no way to
    treat staff.

  17. #17
    jmcquown Guest

    Default Re: Surcharge (auto-tip) Yay? Nay?

    On 2/2/2013 9:20 AM, notbob wrote:
    > In fact I had a boss who absolutely refused any kind of tip at
    > all. "NO! I don't tip". What an ass! We knew we'd hafta pony up to
    > cover his shortage. It got so I jes declined his invites.


    I used to go to lunch occasionally at one restaurant with a small group
    (4 people) of co-workers. One woman *never* tipped. She ran the server
    around like crazy and this wasn't even a large group. We usually had
    separate checks. One of us us would create a ruse when we paid and were
    leaving. We'd slip some money under this woman's plate for her share of
    the tip. There's nothing worse than going out to eat with a cheapskate
    who won't tip even for excellent service.

    Jill

  18. #18
    Dave Smith Guest

    Default Re: Surcharge (auto-tip) Yay? Nay?

    On 02/02/2013 10:47 AM, Gary wrote:

    > For example... say for a party of 2-3 people and the bill comes to $100.
    > Rather than pay $118, I will pay $125-130. We are talking a small
    > difference of 7-12 dollars extra here for a tip to help out a good waitress
    > who probably makes about $3 per hour plus tips.
    >
    > Your bill would be at least $118 (with an 18% tip). Will it kill you to add
    > a few more dollars and make someones day?


    Okay... turn it around..... if it is a small difference it shouldn't
    affect the server if you don't leave it.


    > IMO, people that are tight with tipping should stay home and cook.



    I don't have a problem with the amount so much as I do with the
    institution of tipping, the idea that some people should be so poorly
    paid that they have to depend on the generosity of their customers to
    make a decent living. I am all in favour of a system like they have in
    places like the Netherlands, Germany and (most of) France where tax and
    service are included in the menu price, so what you see is what you pay.
    If you order 6 items ate 5 Euros, your bill is 30 Euros.... no extras
    for tax, no calculating what is appropriate for a tip.


    Bear mind that a tip, or gratuity, by definition, is voluntary. Some
    people in the business have come to expect it, a sort of entitlement.
    Not only that, the expect to be tipped a percentage on the entire bill,
    including the tax. Worse yet, they argue that because of inflation the
    percentage should be higher, suggesting a minimum of 20%.

    Then we hear the argument that if you can afford to go out for dinner
    you can afford to leave a big tip. Screw that. If they want to jack up
    their prices with outrageous markups I am already paying a lot for the
    luxury of going out to eat. For instance, we went to a place last
    summer where they charge $14 for glass of wine, about the same price as
    a whole bottle of that particular wine. That means a 500-600% markup on
    the wine.


    I am supposed to pay 15% on top of that for a service...... $12 to pour
    the wine into a glass and walk 20 feet to the table?? Hold it.... no,
    that is not enough..... it is an expensive restaurant, and if I can
    afford to pay their high prices I should be able to afford 20%.. Not
    when I am already being gouged. Sorry, but that is a racket.





  19. #19
    Dave Smith Guest

    Default Re: Surcharge (auto-tip) Yay? Nay?

    On 02/02/2013 10:54 AM, jmcquown wrote:

    > Absolutely. On the flip side of having been a server, I've been out
    > with large groups where they offered one check and added the gratuity.
    > Seems okay in theory. The problem with that was some people chowed down
    > on appetizers and ordered the most expensive items on the lunch menu.
    > This should be split (monetarily) equally among the guests? Nope.


    My brother insists on separate bills. He thinks that everyone should be
    responsible for their own food and drinks. To be fair, his wife will
    have the more expensive meals and appetizers and dessert, and his bar
    bill will be the highest.


    I remember once going out for dinner at an expensive restaurant with our
    neighbours. She tried Gran Marnier for the first time, and ordered
    another, and another.... 5 of them. And that stuff is expensive. I
    would be lying if I were to say that I did not resent splitting a bill
    with someone who had really gone overboard on really expensive liquor.


    Then there is a couple I know who went on a Caribbean vacation with some
    friends of theirs. My friends don't drink. The other couple are both
    lawyers who consider themselves to be wine connoisseurs and would order
    at least two bottles of expensive wines. I guess they weren't close
    enough friends to feel comfortable enough to tell the winos that they
    weren't chipping in for the wine.



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    Default Re: Surcharge (auto-tip) Yay? Nay?

    On Sat, 02 Feb 2013 11:56:13 -0400, [email protected] wrote:

    > I'm with you, except, if I receive poor service I might even not leave
    > a tip. It's my way of saying that if they want to be rude, offhand
    > etc. don't try it with me.


    That's a poor excuse to be cheap. Servers always get a tip, how large
    "depends". Inattentive (frankly, I've never experienced rude) service
    gets the low end, IF it's the server's attitude that's at fault. If
    the server is doing the best they can with inadequate staffing, we
    give them a break. Poor attitude and poor staffing issues always
    merits a stern talk with the manager on duty because neither situation
    is tolerable to the paying customer.

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