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    Jack Guest

    Default strop for knife sharpening?

    Was watching an old movie and there was a scene in a barebrshop and the
    barber was running his straight razor up and down a leather strop (not
    strap, although it is a strap). What does this do for an edge? Does it
    really sharpen it or just act like a steel does for a kitchen knife? I
    have available to me a couple of these from a local barbershop that is
    closing and was wondering if it could be used on my kitchen knives? I
    know you wouldn't get a precision ground edge angle on the knife.

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    Blinky the Shark Guest

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    Jack wrote:

    > Was watching an old movie and there was a scene in a barebrshop and the
    > barber was running his straight razor up and down a leather strop (not
    > strap, although it is a strap). What does this do for an edge? Does it
    > really sharpen it or just act like a steel does for a kitchen knife? I
    > have available to me a couple of these from a local barbershop that is
    > closing and was wondering if it could be used on my kitchen knives? I
    > know you wouldn't get a precision ground edge angle on the knife.


    Apparently similar, if this is correct:

    <q http://www.madsci.org/posts/archives/2002-01/1012505054.Sh.r.html>

    The straight razor was stroked along the length of the strop, with the
    sharp edge of the razor trailing the motion of the razor (in other words,
    the razor was moved in the direction opposite it's cutting direction).
    As the razor moved along the strop, the heavy leather tended to bend the
    curled edges and burrs back in the proper direction. The stroking motion
    was alternated on each side of the razor and gradually would line up the
    cutting edge.

    </q>

    More detail (and on honing, too); scroll down for large section on
    stropping:

    http://www.classicshaving.com/articl...90351/4057.htm


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    Chile Fiend Guest

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    Jack <[email protected]> wrote in news:radioman521-1AC622.14273330062008
    @news.verizon.net:

    > Was watching an old movie and there was a scene in a barebrshop and the
    > barber was running his straight razor up and down a leather strop (not
    > strap, although it is a strap). What does this do for an edge? Does it
    > really sharpen it or just act like a steel does for a kitchen knife? I
    > have available to me a couple of these from a local barbershop that is
    > closing and was wondering if it could be used on my kitchen knives? I
    > know you wouldn't get a precision ground edge angle on the knife.
    >


    Probably not useful for kitchen tools unless you have a knife with a very
    think delicate edge. That's why it worked for razors but I doubt it would
    do much on a knife.

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    Sheldon Guest

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    On Jun 30, 2:27�pm, Jack <radioman...@nyob.com> wrote:
    > Was watching an old movie and there was a scene in a barebrshop and the
    > barber was running his straight razor up and down a leather strop (not
    > strap, although it is a strap). What does this do for an edge? Does it
    > really sharpen it or just act like a steel does for a kitchen knife? I
    > have available to me a couple of these from a local barbershop that is
    > closing and was wondering if it could be used on my kitchen knives? I
    > know you wouldn't get a precision ground edge angle on the knife.


    The razor strop is typically of two parts, either two separate
    portions or the two parts bonded as one. One part is made of tightly
    woven linen canvas which has been loaded with 'rottenstone', a very
    fine abarasive.. the other of specially tanned leather for
    polishing... there are other compounds that can also be employed, like
    jeweler's rouge, a very fine polishing compound. The geometry of a
    straight razor is very different from kitchen cutlery... a razor strop
    will do nothing for your kitchen knives other than make them less
    sharp, and will ruin the strop.

    http://www.classicshaving.com/articl...90351/4052.htm


  5. #5
    Jack Guest

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    In article <[email protected] net>,
    Blinky the Shark <[email protected]> wrote:

    > Jack wrote:
    >
    > > Was watching an old movie and there was a scene in a barebrshop and the
    > > barber was running his straight razor up and down a leather strop (not
    > > strap, although it is a strap). What does this do for an edge? Does it
    > > really sharpen it or just act like a steel does for a kitchen knife? I
    > > have available to me a couple of these from a local barbershop that is
    > > closing and was wondering if it could be used on my kitchen knives? I
    > > know you wouldn't get a precision ground edge angle on the knife.

    >
    > Apparently similar, if this is correct:
    >
    > <q http://www.madsci.org/posts/archives/2002-01/1012505054.Sh.r.html>
    >
    > The straight razor was stroked along the length of the strop, with the
    > sharp edge of the razor trailing the motion of the razor (in other words,
    > the razor was moved in the direction opposite it's cutting direction).
    > As the razor moved along the strop, the heavy leather tended to bend the
    > curled edges and burrs back in the proper direction. The stroking motion
    > was alternated on each side of the razor and gradually would line up the
    > cutting edge.
    >
    > </q>
    >
    > More detail (and on honing, too); scroll down for large section on
    > stropping:
    >
    > http://www.classicshaving.com/articl...90351/4057.htm



    So it's more like a steel then. I didn't know either way. Thanks for the
    info. BTW - saw your sig about isp's dropping usenet - Verizon hasn't
    dropped usenet per se, they eliminated a bunch of hierarchies, going
    with what is called the 'Big 8'. Amongst the hierarchies that got
    dropped was alt. which not only had porn but a bunch of useful groups
    like alt.binaries.pictures.rail which had pics people around the world
    have taken of full-size trains. And Google doesn't do binary groups.

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    blake murphy Guest

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    On Wed, 02 Jul 2008 14:51:04 GMT, Jack <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >So it's more like a steel then. I didn't know either way. Thanks for the
    >info. BTW - saw your sig about isp's dropping usenet - Verizon hasn't
    >dropped usenet per se, they eliminated a bunch of hierarchies, going
    >with what is called the 'Big 8'. Amongst the hierarchies that got
    >dropped was alt. which not only had porn but a bunch of useful groups
    >like alt.binaries.pictures.rail which had pics people around the world
    >have taken of full-size trains. And Google doesn't do binary groups.


    i just switched from the verizon news feed to teranews:

    <http://www.teranews.com>

    ....for that very reason. for the low-end service (limited downloads -
    to 50 mb a day, which is not very limited) for a one-time fee of, i
    think, $3.95. so far (a couple days), no problem. it has all the
    newsgroups.

    your pal,
    blake
    ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **

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    sf Guest

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    On Wed, 02 Jul 2008 15:38:53 -0400, blake murphy
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    >On Wed, 02 Jul 2008 14:51:04 GMT, Jack <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>

    <snip>
    >> Google doesn't do binary groups.

    >
    >i just switched from the verizon news feed to teranews:
    >
    ><http://www.teranews.com>
    >
    >...for that very reason. for the low-end service (limited downloads -
    >to 50 mb a day, which is not very limited) for a one-time fee of, i
    >think, $3.95. so far (a couple days), no problem. it has all the
    >newsgroups.
    >

    Terranews carries *All* the news groups.... including binaries? I
    don't remember it being that comprehensive. I'm not saying *you're*
    interested, but some of us like to peek at the pictures in
    alt.binaries.food.


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    Mae West

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    blake murphy Guest

    Default Re: strop for knife sharpening?

    On Wed, 02 Jul 2008 19:32:00 -0700, sf <.> wrote:

    >On Wed, 02 Jul 2008 15:38:53 -0400, blake murphy
    ><[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >>On Wed, 02 Jul 2008 14:51:04 GMT, Jack <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>>

    ><snip>
    >>> Google doesn't do binary groups.

    >>
    >>i just switched from the verizon news feed to teranews:
    >>
    >><http://www.teranews.com>
    >>
    >>...for that very reason. for the low-end service (limited downloads -
    >>to 50 mb a day, which is not very limited) for a one-time fee of, i
    >>think, $3.95. so far (a couple days), no problem. it has all the
    >>newsgroups.
    >>

    >Terranews carries *All* the news groups.... including binaries? I
    >don't remember it being that comprehensive. I'm not saying *you're*
    >interested, but some of us like to peek at the pictures in
    >alt.binaries.food.


    it definitely includes binaries, even the smut. their web page says
    that if there's a group they don't carry they will add it.

    your pal,
    blake
    ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **

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    Steve B. Guest

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    Jack wrote:
    > Was watching an old movie and there was a scene in a barebrshop and the
    > barber was running his straight razor up and down a leather strop (not
    > strap, although it is a strap). What does this do for an edge? Does it
    > really sharpen it or just act like a steel does for a kitchen knife? I
    > have available to me a couple of these from a local barbershop that is
    > closing and was wondering if it could be used on my kitchen knives? I
    > know you wouldn't get a precision ground edge angle on the knife.
    >


    For information on stropping and steeling knife blades, see
    http://www.handamerican.com/
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    www.sharpeningmadeeasy.com
    Remove REMOVE from address when replying

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    [email protected] Guest

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    On Jul 1, 3:27 am, Jack <radioman...@nyob.com> wrote:
    > Was watching an old movie and there was a scene in a barebrshop and the
    > barber was running his straight razor up and down a leather strop (not
    > strap, although it is a strap). What does this do for an edge? Does it
    > really sharpen it or just act like a steel does for a kitchen knife? I
    > have available to me a couple of these from a local barbershop that is
    > closing and was wondering if it could be used on my kitchen knives? I
    > know you wouldn't get a precision ground edge angle on the knife.
    >
    > --
    > Jack N2MPU
    > Proud NRA Life Member
    > change nyob.com to verizon.net for email


    Stropping an edge really straightens and removes the burr and teeth
    from an edge, polishing it to giving you a better shave. But a razor
    isn't the 'best' edge to use in a kitchen because you don't shave a
    food, you slice it. A stropped razor is too sharp and doesn't have
    enough 'tooth' (it's too polished) to slice (saw) a tomato skin.
    Razors are normally sharpened to about 8,000 to 12,000 grit. A great
    paring knife edge will be sharpened to 300-400 grit while a great
    French chef's or slicing knife will be taken to 400-800 grit. This is
    why Ginsu knives slice so well. Their serrated (toothed) edge really
    saws through a tomato. Put you can't "push cut" with a Ginsu; you have
    to saw with it. You push cut with a razor and sometimes with a Chinese
    cleaver or Chef's knife and if that is your style of cutting, sharper
    is better. But 8,000 it just way too sharp to work well in the
    kitchen. I use chromium oxide paste on a horsehide bench mounted strop
    and take some blades to 60,000 grit. Absolutely useless for slicing
    anything, but will split your finger in two if you just point at
    it! )

    Steve Kramer
    Chiang Mai, Thailand
    http://www.photoenvisions.com

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    [email protected] Guest

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    On Jul 3, 6:40*pm, "st...@seatraveler.com" <SteveKram...@gmail.com>
    wrote:
    > On Jul 1, 3:27 am, Jack <radioman...@nyob.com> wrote:
    >
    > > Was watching an old movie and there was a scene in a barebrshop and the
    > > barber was running his straight razor up and down a leather strop (not
    > > strap, although it is a strap). What does this do for an edge? Does it
    > > really sharpen it or just act like a steel does for a kitchen knife? I
    > > have available to me a couple of these from a local barbershop that is
    > > closing and was wondering if it could be used on my kitchen knives? I
    > > know you wouldn't get a precision ground edge angle on the knife.

    >
    > > --
    > > Jack N2MPU
    > > Proud NRA Life Member
    > > change nyob.com to verizon.net for email

    >
    > Stropping an edge really straightens and removes the burr and teeth
    > from an edge, polishing it to giving you a better shave. But a razor
    > isn't the 'best' edge to use in a kitchen because you don't shave a
    > food, you slice it. A stropped razor is too sharp and doesn't have
    > enough 'tooth' (it's too polished) to slice (saw) a tomato skin.
    > Razors are normally sharpened to about 8,000 to 12,000 grit. A great
    > paring knife edge will be sharpened to 300-400 grit while a great
    > French chef's or slicing knife will be taken to 400-800 grit. This is
    > why Ginsu knives slice so well. Their serrated (toothed) edge really
    > saws through a tomato. Put you can't "push cut" with a Ginsu; you have
    > to saw with it. You push cut with a razor and sometimes with a Chinese
    > cleaver or Chef's knife and if that is your style of cutting, sharper
    > is better. * But 8,000 it just way too sharp to work well in the
    > kitchen. I use chromium oxide paste on a horsehide bench mounted strop
    > and take some blades to 60,000 grit. Absolutely useless for slicing
    > anything, but will split your finger in two if you just point at
    > it! *)
    >
    > Steve Kramer
    > Chiang Mai, Thailandhttp://www.photoenvisions.com


    ***Tell them all about your Diamond Stone SLURRY Kombat...We all know
    how you like "Polishing the Knob" with the Slurry...*grin*

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    LarbGai Guest

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    On Jul 4, 2:40*pm, "st...@seatraveler.com" <SteveKram...@gmail.com>
    wrote:
    Thanks to all the attention the
    trolls gave me, my photography and writing got noticed by an
    international company who made me an offer I couldn't refuse! Enough
    so that I didn't mind restructuring my "PhotoEnvisions" business
    (stopping the teaching side of it, and concentrating on the
    commercial
    end,) and relocating to another country! I've already been on several
    assignments for them, and it's like a dream come true.

    Steve Kramer
    Chiang Mai, Thailandhttp://www.photoenvisions.com


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    [email protected] Guest

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    On Jul 4, 6:42*pm, LarbGai <larb...@lycos.com> wrote:
    > On Jul 4, 2:40*pm, "st...@seatraveler.com" <SteveKram...@gmail.com>
    > wrote:
    > Thanks to all the attention the
    > trolls gave me, my photography and writing got noticed by an
    > international company who made me an offer I couldn't refuse! Enough
    > so that I didn't mind restructuring my "PhotoEnvisions" business
    > (stopping the teaching side of it, and concentrating on the
    > commercial
    > end,) and relocating to another country! I've already been on several
    > assignments for them, and it's like a dream come true.
    >
    > *Steve Kramer
    > *Chiang Mai, Thailandhttp://www.photoenvisions.com


    ***Kombat...We Trolls must insist you DROP Chaing Mai from your Usenet
    posts...Since you are being "Asked To Leave" (lol) I'm sure the
    Kingdom doesn't want anything to do with you or to have their good
    name soiled by your past residence...*grin*

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    Cheesy Bob Guest

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    On Jul 5, 9:42*am, LarbGai <larb...@lycos.com> wrote:
    > On Jul 4, 2:40*pm, "st...@seatraveler.com" <SteveKram...@gmail.com>
    > wrote:
    > Thanks to all the attention the
    > trolls gave me, my photography and writing got noticed by an
    > international company who made me an offer I couldn't refuse! Enough
    > so that I didn't mind restructuring my "PhotoEnvisions" business
    > (stopping the teaching side of it, and concentrating on the
    > commercial
    > end,) and relocating to another country! I've already been on several
    > assignments for them, and it's like a dream come true.
    >
    > *Steve Kramer
    > *Chiang Mai, Thailandhttp://www.photoenvisions.com


    Say Hey Stevie:

    Perhaps with you new job you'll be able to frequent a higher class of
    noodle stand in Singapore. They were at one time quite popular along
    the quay. But times have changed.

    5555 Yee-Haw !!

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    Cheesy Bob Guest

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    On Jul 5, 2:43*pm, Cheesy Bob <cheeseking2...@gmail.com> wrote:
    > On Jul 5, 9:42*am, LarbGai <larb...@lycos.com> wrote:
    >
    > > On Jul 4, 2:40*pm, "st...@seatraveler.com" <SteveKram...@gmail.com>
    > > wrote:
    > > Thanks to all the attention the
    > > trolls gave me, my photography and writing got noticed by an
    > > international company who made me an offer I couldn't refuse! Enough
    > > so that I didn't mind restructuring my "PhotoEnvisions" business
    > > (stopping the teaching side of it, and concentrating on the
    > > commercial
    > > end,) and relocating to another country! I've already been on several
    > > assignments for them, and it's like a dream come true.

    >
    > > *Steve Kramer
    > > *Chiang Mai, Thailandhttp://www.photoenvisions.com

    >
    > Say Hey Stevie:
    >

    Well at least you should have thanked the trolls for actually getting
    you hired by your present company. Us crazies stick together.

    5555 Yee-Haw !!

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    Sheldon Guest

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    Blinky the Snark wrote:
    >
    > The straight razor was stroked along the length of the strop, with the
    > sharp edge of the razor trailing the motion of the razor (in other words,
    > the razor was moved in the direction opposite it's cutting direction). �
    > As the razor moved along the strop, the heavy leather tended to bend the
    > curled edges and burrs back in the proper direction. �The stroking motion
    > was alternated on each side of the razor and gradually would line up the
    > cutting edge.


    What's with all your stroking... this is about how to strop, not
    schtupp.



  17. #17
    LarbGai Guest

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    On Jul 6, 1:40*am, Sheldon <PENMAR...@aol.com> wrote:

    > What's with all your stroking... this is about how to strop, not
    > schtupp.


    ******Mate................It looks like you're an expert at stropping
    the Mulligan.

    Matter of fact you probably have two dicks..............
    You could'nt be that stupid playing with one.



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    Sheldon Guest

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    LardGoy wrote:
    > Sheldon wrote:
    >
    > > What's with all your stroking... this is about how to strop, not
    > > schtupp.

    >
    >
    > you probably have two dicks.


    One for your mama's and one for your butt.

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    Michael \Dog3\ Guest

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    Sheldon <[email protected]> news:326b45d4-b605-421e-a904-3c71bea72f37
    @f63g2000hsf.googlegroups.com: in rec.food.cooking

    > LardGoy wrote:
    >> Sheldon wrote:
    >>
    >> > What's with all your stroking... this is about how to strop, not
    >> > schtupp.

    >>
    >>
    >> you probably have two dicks.

    >
    > One for your mama's and one for your butt.


    I wonder what it would be like having 2 of them. Assuming both were of
    decent size and functioning. Double your pleasure or double trouble?

    Michael



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    Blinky the Shark Guest

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    Michael "Dog3" wrote:

    > Sheldon <[email protected]> news:326b45d4-b605-421e-a904-3c71bea72f37
    > @f63g2000hsf.googlegroups.com: in rec.food.cooking
    >
    >> LardGoy wrote:
    >>> Sheldon wrote:
    >>>
    >>> > What's with all your stroking... this is about how to strop, not
    >>> > schtupp.
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> you probably have two dicks.

    >>
    >> One for your mama's and one for your butt.

    >
    > I wonder what it would be like having 2 of them. Assuming both were of
    > decent size and functioning. Double your pleasure or double trouble?


    There once was a man from Kent
    Whose tool was exceedinly bent.
    To save himself trouble
    He stuck it in double,
    But instead of coming, he went.


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