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    isw Guest

    Default "Stock" left from cooking corned beef

    Sure seems like it should be good for *something*, but googling around
    didn't turn up any recipes.

    Anybody have anything interesting to do with it, or should I just dump
    it out?

    Isaac

  2. #2
    Christine Dabney Guest

    Default Re: "Stock" left from cooking corned beef

    On Mon, 17 Mar 2008 20:28:49 -0700, isw <[email protected]> wrote:

    >Sure seems like it should be good for *something*, but googling around
    >didn't turn up any recipes.
    >
    >Anybody have anything interesting to do with it, or should I just dump
    >it out?
    >
    >Isaac


    A lot of folks cook potatoes and cabbage in the resulting
    broth...which results in the New England Boiled dinner. I think
    carrots too are part of this.

    Christine

  3. #3
    Goomba38 Guest

    Default Re: "Stock" left from cooking corned beef

    Christine Dabney wrote:
    > On Mon, 17 Mar 2008 20:28:49 -0700, isw <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >> Sure seems like it should be good for *something*, but googling around
    >> didn't turn up any recipes.
    >>
    >> Anybody have anything interesting to do with it, or should I just dump
    >> it out?
    >>
    >> Isaac

    >
    > A lot of folks cook potatoes and cabbage in the resulting
    > broth...which results in the New England Boiled dinner. I think
    > carrots too are part of this.
    >
    > Christine


    I don't care for corned beef so never make it, but I imagine the broth
    is salty which would work well with all those vegetables, particularly
    potatoes....right?

  4. #4
    sf Guest

    Default Re: "Stock" left from cooking corned beef

    On Mon, 17 Mar 2008 20:28:49 -0700, isw <[email protected]> wrote:

    >Sure seems like it should be good for *something*, but googling around
    >didn't turn up any recipes.
    >
    >Anybody have anything interesting to do with it, or should I just dump
    >it out?
    >


    Dump it.

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    Christine Dabney Guest

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    On Mon, 17 Mar 2008 21:11:54 -0700, sf wrote:

    >On Mon, 17 Mar 2008 20:28:49 -0700, isw <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >>Sure seems like it should be good for *something*, but googling around
    >>didn't turn up any recipes.
    >>
    >>Anybody have anything interesting to do with it, or should I just dump
    >>it out?
    >>

    >
    >Dump it.


    Philistine.

    Christine

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    Wayne Boatwright Guest

    Default Re: "Stock" left from cooking corned beef

    On Mon 17 Mar 2008 09:11:54p, told us...

    > On Mon, 17 Mar 2008 20:28:49 -0700, isw <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >>Sure seems like it should be good for *something*, but googling around
    >>didn't turn up any recipes.
    >>
    >>Anybody have anything interesting to do with it, or should I just dump
    >>it out?
    >>

    >
    > Dump it.
    >


    I like to cook cabbage wedges in the broth until just tender-crisp, then
    either broil them with butter or toss on the grill. it's an interesting
    flavor.

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  7. #7
    Wayne Boatwright Guest

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    On Mon 17 Mar 2008 09:17:52p, Christine Dabney told us...

    > On Mon, 17 Mar 2008 21:11:54 -0700, sf wrote:
    >
    >>On Mon, 17 Mar 2008 20:28:49 -0700, isw <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>
    >>>Sure seems like it should be good for *something*, but googling around
    >>>didn't turn up any recipes.
    >>>
    >>>Anybody have anything interesting to do with it, or should I just dump
    >>>it out?
    >>>

    >>
    >>Dump it.

    >
    > Philistine.
    >
    > Christine
    >


    No, she's a San Franciscan. :-)

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  8. #8
    Christine Dabney Guest

    Default Re: "Stock" left from cooking corned beef

    On Tue, 18 Mar 2008 04:28:28 GMT, Wayne Boatwright
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    >On Mon 17 Mar 2008 09:17:52p, Christine Dabney told us...


    >> Philistine.
    >>
    >> Christine
    >>

    >
    >No, she's a San Franciscan. :-)


    I know. I was just giving her a hard time. Sf and I have met in
    person, and we bonded right off. I hope I can still kid her!!!

    Christine, who wishes she could see sf while she is in CA.

  9. #9
    Wayne Boatwright Guest

    Default Re: "Stock" left from cooking corned beef

    On Mon 17 Mar 2008 09:31:50p, Christine Dabney told us...

    > On Tue, 18 Mar 2008 04:28:28 GMT, Wayne Boatwright
    > <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >>On Mon 17 Mar 2008 09:17:52p, Christine Dabney told us...

    >
    >>> Philistine.
    >>>
    >>> Christine
    >>>

    >>
    >>No, she's a San Franciscan. :-)

    >
    > I know. I was just giving her a hard time. Sf and I have met in
    > person, and we bonded right off. I hope I can still kid her!!!
    >
    > Christine, who wishes she could see sf while she is in CA.
    >


    Though I've not met either of you in person, I often feel that I know you
    both that well. I'd love to cook with both of you. I think we'd have a
    great time.

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    Christine Dabney Guest

    Default Re: "Stock" left from cooking corned beef

    On Tue, 18 Mar 2008 04:37:15 GMT, Wayne Boatwright
    <[email protected]> wrote:


    >Though I've not met either of you in person, I often feel that I know you
    >both that well. I'd love to cook with both of you. I think we'd have a
    >great time.


    Oh thanks, Wayne!!

    We could teach sf to cook southern style. I had been joking with her,
    that if I got to the SFBA for this contract, I was gonna teach her to
    cook southern.

    I wish I had time to stop and visit with you on the way back to NM in
    May, but I am gonna be hauling ass, so to speak. I have to get back
    there within a day....it will be a very, very LONG day's drive!!!!

    Next time...

    Although I have in mind to invite sf to ABQ while she is on vacation
    this year. Want to come over if she decides to visit?

    Christine

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    Sqwertz Guest

    Default Re: "Stock" left from cooking corned beef

    Mark Thorson <Mark Thorson <[email protected]>> wrote:

    > isw wrote:
    >>
    >> Sure seems like it should be good for *something*, but googling around
    >> didn't turn up any recipes.
    >>
    >> Anybody have anything interesting to do with it, or should I just dump
    >> it out?

    >
    > It's full of curing salts (nitrates and nitrites).
    > That stuff ain't good for you. Throw it out.


    You might as well just throw out the corned beef along with the
    simmering liquid as the beef contains even more of that stuff.

    -sw

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    Mark Thorson Guest

    Default Re: "Stock" left from cooking corned beef

    isw wrote:
    >
    > Sure seems like it should be good for *something*, but googling around
    > didn't turn up any recipes.
    >
    > Anybody have anything interesting to do with it, or should I just dump
    > it out?


    It's full of curing salts (nitrates and nitrites).
    That stuff ain't good for you. Throw it out.

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    Sqwertz Guest

    Default Re: "Stock" left from cooking corned beef

    Mark Thorson <Mark Thorson <[email protected]>> wrote:

    > Sqwertz wrote:
    >>
    >> Mark Thorson <Mark Thorson <[email protected]>> wrote:
    >>
    >>> It's full of curing salts (nitrates and nitrites).
    >>> That stuff ain't good for you. Throw it out.

    >>
    >> You might as well just throw out the corned beef along with the
    >> simmering liquid as the beef contains even more of that stuff.

    >
    > I wouldn't eat it.


    [snip scientific bull****]

    Well, the rest of us will, thank you.

    Nothing worse than somebody preaching the evils of food in a
    cooking group.

    -sw

  14. #14
    T Guest

    Default Re: "Stock" left from cooking corned beef

    In article <[email protected]>, artisan2
    @ix.netcom.com says...
    > On Mon, 17 Mar 2008 20:28:49 -0700, isw <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    > >Sure seems like it should be good for *something*, but googling around
    > >didn't turn up any recipes.
    > >
    > >Anybody have anything interesting to do with it, or should I just dump
    > >it out?
    > >
    > >Isaac

    >
    > A lot of folks cook potatoes and cabbage in the resulting
    > broth...which results in the New England Boiled dinner. I think
    > carrots too are part of this.
    >
    > Christine
    >


    Oh yes carrots are part of it. I should have picked up some corned beef
    but honestly I got the ground meats for the Bolognese sauce and a
    roasting chicken.


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    Mark Thorson Guest

    Default Re: "Stock" left from cooking corned beef

    Sqwertz wrote:
    >
    > Mark Thorson <Mark Thorson <[email protected]>> wrote:
    >
    > > It's full of curing salts (nitrates and nitrites).
    > > That stuff ain't good for you. Throw it out.

    >
    > You might as well just throw out the corned beef along with the
    > simmering liquid as the beef contains even more of that stuff.


    I wouldn't eat it.

    Cancer Epidemiol Biomarkers Prev. 1996 Aug;5(8):599-605.
    Maternal consumption of cured meats and vitamins
    in relation to pediatric brain tumors.
    Preston-Martin S, Pogoda JM, Mueller BA, Holly EA,
    Lijinsky W, Davis RL.
    Department of Preventive Medicine, University of
    Southern California/Norris Comprehensive
    Cancer Center, Los Angeles 90033-0800, USA.

    Brain tumors are the leading cause of death from
    childhood cancer, yet the causes of most of
    these tumors remain obscure. Few chemicals are
    effective in causing brain tumors experimentally
    after systemic administration of low doses; a
    notable exception is one group of N-nitroso
    compounds, the nitrosamides (in particular the
    nitrosoureas). Feeding pregnant animals
    nitrosamide precursors (e.g., sodium nitrite and
    an alkylamide such as ethylurea) causes a high
    incidence of nervous system tumors in offspring.
    This population-based epidemiological study
    was designed to test the hypothesis that maternal
    consumption during pregnancy of meats cured
    with sodium nitrite increases the risk of brain
    tumors among offspring. The intake of vitamins C
    and E blocks endogenous formation of nitroso
    compounds and was expected to be protective.
    Mothers of 540 children under age 20 with a
    primary brain tumor diagnosed during 1984-1991
    and 801 control children in the same 19 counties
    on the U.S. West Coast were interviewed. Risk
    increased with increasing frequency of eating
    processed meats [odds ratio (OR) = 2.1 for eating
    at least twice a day compared to not eating; 95%
    confidence interval (CI) = 1.3-3.2; P = 0.003).
    Risk also increased with increasing average daily
    grams of cured meats or mg of nitrite from
    cured meats (P for each <0.005) but not with
    nitrate from vegetables. Daily use of prenatal
    vitamins throughout the pregnancy decreased risk
    (OR = 0.54; CI = 0.39-0.75). Risk among
    mothers who consumed above the median level of
    nitrite from cured meat was greater if vitamins
    were not taken (OR = 2.4; CI = 1.4-3.6) than if
    they were (OR = 1.3). These effects were
    evident for each of three major histological
    types and across social classes, age groups, and
    geographic areas. This largest study to date of
    maternal diet and childhood brain tumors suggests
    that exposure during gestation to endogenously
    formed nitroso compounds may be associated
    with tumor occurrence. Laboratory exploration is
    needed to: (a) define dietary sources of
    exposure to alkylamides; (b) investigate the
    reactivity of nitrite in high concentration such
    as around bits of cured meats in the stomach
    after ingestion compared to nitrite in dilute
    solution; and (c) confirm that simultaneous
    ingestion of alkylamides and cured meats leads
    to the endogenous formation of nitrosamides.

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    Mark Thorson Guest

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    Sqwertz wrote:
    >
    > Nothing worse than somebody preaching the evils of food
    > in a cooking group.


    Except that it's not food. It's the chemical bath
    used to cure meat. You might be willing to eat
    a cake colored with blue food coloring, but would
    you be willing to drink a glass of pure food
    coloring? I doubt it.


    Cancer Causes Control. 2005 Aug;16(6):619-35.
    A review: dietary and endogenously formed N-nitroso
    compounds and risk of childhood brain tumors.
    Dietrich M, Block G, Pogoda JM, Buffler P,
    Hecht S, Preston-Martin S.
    School of Public Health, University of
    California-Berkeley, Berkeley, CA 94720-7360, USA.

    Maternal dietary exposure to N-nitroso compounds
    (NOC) or to their precursors during
    pregnancy has been associated with risk of
    childhood brain tumors. Cured meat is one source of
    exposure to dietary NOC and their precursors.
    Most epidemiological studies that have examined
    the role of maternal consumption of cured meats
    during pregnancy have found a significant
    positive association between maternal intake
    of cured meat and the risk of childhood brain tumor
    (CBT). NOC consist of two main groups,
    N-nitrosamines and N-nitrosamides. The
    carcinogenicity profiles of NOC suggest that
    N-nitrosamides rather than N-nitrosamines are the
    compounds that may be associated with CBT
    and that they should be investigated more closely
    in epidemiological studies. We present a review
    of the chemical and carcinogenic properties of
    NOC in connection with the findings of case-control
    studies. This approach may be helpful in
    determining the essential information that
    must be collected in future epidemiological studies
    on CBT.


    Nutr Cancer. 2002;42(1):70-7.
    Effect of vegetables, tea, and soy on endogenous
    N-nitrosation, fecal ammonia, and fecal water
    genotoxicity during a high red meat diet in
    humans.
    Hughes R, Pollock JR, Bingham S.
    Dunn Human Nutrition Unit, Medical Research Council,
    Cambridge CB2 2XY, UK.

    Red meat increases colonic N-nitrosation, and
    this may explain the positive epidemiological
    relationship between red meat intake and colorectal
    cancer risk. Vegetables, tea, and soy have
    been shown to block N-nitroso compound (NOC)
    formation and are associated with protection
    against colorectal cancer. To determine whether
    these supplements affect fecal NOC excretion
    during consumption of a high red meat (420 g/day)
    diet, 11 male volunteers were studied over a
    randomized series of 15-day dietary periods. Seven
    of these subjects completed a further dietary
    period to test the effects of soy (100 g/day).
    Soy significantly suppressed fecal apparent total
    NOC (ATNC) concentration (P = 0.02), but
    supplements of vegetables (400 g/day as 134 g
    broccoli, 134 g brussels sprouts, and 134 g petits
    pois) and tea extract (3 g/day) did not affect
    mean levels of fecal ATNC, nitrogen and ammonia
    excretion, and fecal water genotoxicity.
    However, fecal weight was increased (P < 0.001)
    and associated with reduced transit time (r =
    0.594, P < 0.0001), so that contact between ATNC,
    nitrite, and ammonia and the large bowel
    mucosa would have been reduced. Longer transit
    times were associated with elevated fecal
    ATNC concentrations (r = 0.42, P = 0.002). Fecal
    nitrite was significantly suppressed during the
    tea supplement compared with the meat-only
    (P = 0.0028) and meat + vegetables diets (P =
    0.005 for microgram NO2/g).

  17. #17
    Wayne Boatwright Guest

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    On Mon 17 Mar 2008 09:47:54p, Christine Dabney told us...

    > On Tue, 18 Mar 2008 04:37:15 GMT, Wayne Boatwright
    > <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >
    >>Though I've not met either of you in person, I often feel that I know you
    >>both that well. I'd love to cook with both of you. I think we'd have a
    >>great time.

    >
    > Oh thanks, Wayne!!
    >
    > We could teach sf to cook southern style. I had been joking with her,
    > that if I got to the SFBA for this contract, I was gonna teach her to
    > cook southern.


    IMHO, every needs to learn to cook southern. :-)

    >
    > I wish I had time to stop and visit with you on the way back to NM in
    > May, but I am gonna be hauling ass, so to speak. I have to get back
    > there within a day....it will be a very, very LONG day's drive!!!!
    >
    > Next time...


    Don't forget!

    > Although I have in mind to invite sf to ABQ while she is on vacation
    > this year. Want to come over if she decides to visit?


    That would be swell. We could give Barbara the double whammy on Southern
    Cooking. :-)

    Getting to ABQ is all a matter of timing, though. I hope it would work out
    for me. And thanks!

    > Christine




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    jmcquown Guest

    Default Re: "Stock" left from cooking corned beef

    Christine Dabney wrote:
    > On Mon, 17 Mar 2008 20:28:49 -0700, isw <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >> Sure seems like it should be good for *something*, but googling
    >> around didn't turn up any recipes.
    >>
    >> Anybody have anything interesting to do with it, or should I just
    >> dump it out?
    >>
    >> Isaac

    >
    > A lot of folks cook potatoes and cabbage in the resulting
    > broth...which results in the New England Boiled dinner. I think
    > carrots too are part of this.
    >
    > Christine
    >
    >

    That's what I did yesterday. We like the saltiness I wouldn't try to
    use the "stock" again after that, though.

    Jill


  19. #19
    Wayne Boatwright Guest

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    On Tue 18 Mar 2008 12:47:58a, Mark Thorson told us...

    > Newsgroups: rec.food.cooking
    > Subject: Re: "Stock" left from cooking corned beef
    > From: Mark Thorson <[email protected]>
    >
    > Sqwertz wrote:
    >>
    >> Mark Thorson <Mark Thorson <[email protected]>> wrote:
    >>
    >> > It's full of curing salts (nitrates and nitrites).
    >> > That stuff ain't good for you. Throw it out.

    >>
    >> You might as well just throw out the corned beef along with the
    >> simmering liquid as the beef contains even more of that stuff.

    >
    > I wouldn't eat it.
    >
    > Cancer Epidemiol Biomarkers Prev. 1996 Aug;5(8):599-605.
    > Maternal consumption of cured meats and vitamins
    > in relation to pediatric brain tumors.


    I'm not planning on becoming pregnant. :-)

    I'll take the corned beef and pastrami. It's not like I eat them every
    day, although I enjoy cured meats in moderation.

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  20. #20
    jmcquown Guest

    Default Re: "Stock" left from cooking corned beef

    Wayne Boatwright wrote:
    > On Mon 17 Mar 2008 09:11:54p, told us...
    >
    >> On Mon, 17 Mar 2008 20:28:49 -0700, isw <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>
    >>> Sure seems like it should be good for *something*, but googling
    >>> around didn't turn up any recipes.
    >>>
    >>> Anybody have anything interesting to do with it, or should I just
    >>> dump it out?
    >>>

    >>
    >> Dump it.
    >>

    >
    > I like to cook cabbage wedges in the broth until just tender-crisp,
    > then either broil them with butter or toss on the grill. it's an
    > interesting flavor.
    >
    >

    I generally don't buy corned beef more than two or three times a year but I
    love grilled cabbage! Never thought about using this salty broth to
    pre-cook it prior to grilling. I'll have to give that a shot, thanks Wayne!

    Jill


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