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    James Silverton Guest

    Default Spaghetti con le vongole in bianco

    Hello All!

    Today, Earl Evleth on r.travel.europe waxed lyrical about spaghetti with
    clams as in the subject. It does not seem too difficult to make and I am
    going to try it. I wonder if anyone has any opinions as to whether some
    cherry tomatoes should be included since it is called "in bianco"?
    Opinions about tomatoes in the recipes on the 'net seem to be evenly
    divided.

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    James Silverton
    Potomac, Maryland

    Email, with obvious alterations:
    not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not


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    Felice Guest

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    "James Silverton" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:i4ogj4$ls8$[email protected]..
    > Hello All!
    >
    > Today, Earl Evleth on r.travel.europe waxed lyrical about spaghetti with
    > clams as in the subject. It does not seem too difficult to make and I am
    > going to try it. I wonder if anyone has any opinions as to whether some
    > cherry tomatoes should be included since it is called "in bianco"?
    > Opinions about tomatoes in the recipes on the 'net seem to be evenly
    > divided.


    Sorry, no tomatoes. White clam sauce is the classic in our house.

    But then, we take our clam chowder white, too.

    Felice



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    Kent Guest

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    "James Silverton" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:i4ogj4$ls8$[email protected]..
    > Hello All!
    >
    > Today, Earl Evleth on r.travel.europe waxed lyrical about spaghetti with
    > clams as in the subject. It does not seem too difficult to make and I am
    > going to try it. I wonder if anyone has any opinions as to whether some
    > cherry tomatoes should be included since it is called "in bianco"?
    > Opinions about tomatoes in the recipes on the 'net seem to be evenly
    > divided.
    >
    > --
    >
    >
    > James Silverton
    > Potomac, Maryland
    >
    > Email, with obvious alterations:
    > not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not
    >

    No, When we make clams or mussels with linguine we always use a white sauce
    that does't compete with the clam. A majority of these dishes are with a
    simple white sauce, coupled with sofrito and don't have tomato. I always use
    a portion of cream and a portion of clam stock with this dish to enhance the
    clam flavor. Of course there is a red clam chowder; there probably is a red
    linguine

    Kent








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    Serene Vannoy Guest

    Default Re: Spaghetti con le vongole in bianco

    On 08/21/2010 05:25 AM, James Silverton wrote:
    > Hello All!
    >
    > Today, Earl Evleth on r.travel.europe waxed lyrical about spaghetti with
    > clams as in the subject. It does not seem too difficult to make and I am
    > going to try it. I wonder if anyone has any opinions as to whether some
    > cherry tomatoes should be included since it is called "in bianco"?
    > Opinions about tomatoes in the recipes on the 'net seem to be evenly
    > divided.
    >


    They're divided, because both ways are good. Wing it, James!

    Serene

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  5. #5
    James Silverton Guest

    Default Re: Spaghetti con le vongole in bianco

    Serene wrote on Sat, 21 Aug 2010 10:56:59 -0700:

    > On 08/21/2010 05:25 AM, James Silverton wrote:
    >> Hello All!
    >>
    >> Today, Earl Evleth on r.travel.europe waxed lyrical about
    >> spaghetti with clams as in the subject. It does not seem too
    >> difficult to make and I am going to try it. I wonder if
    >> anyone has any opinions as to whether some cherry tomatoes
    >> should be included since it is called "in bianco"? Opinions
    >> about tomatoes in the recipes on the 'net seem to be
    >> evenly divided.
    >>

    > They're divided, because both ways are good. Wing it, James!


    We'll see what happens tonight! I'm going to use a few cherry tomatoes
    and a crushed dried red pepper as called for in one recipe.



    --

    James Silverton
    Potomac, Maryland

    Email, with obvious alterations: not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not


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    Zeppo Guest

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    "James Silverton" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:i4ogj4$ls8$[email protected]..
    > Hello All!
    >
    > Today, Earl Evleth on r.travel.europe waxed lyrical about spaghetti with
    > clams as in the subject. It does not seem too difficult to make and I am
    > going to try it. I wonder if anyone has any opinions as to whether some
    > cherry tomatoes should be included since it is called "in bianco"?
    > Opinions about tomatoes in the recipes on the 'net seem to be evenly
    > divided.
    >
    > --
    >
    >
    > James Silverton
    > Potomac, Maryland
    >
    > Email, with obvious alterations:
    > not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not


    I've done it with cherry tomatoes and it makes a pretty presentation but
    changes the taste of the dish as well. Not worse just different. I've been
    meaning to try it with yellow tomatoes to see how that does. IMHO, the
    cherry tomatoes was better when made with mussels over pasta.

    Jon



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    Felice Guest

    Default Re: Spaghetti con le vongole in bianco


    "James Silverton" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:i4p61e$cg9$[email protected]..
    > Serene wrote on Sat, 21 Aug 2010 10:56:59 -0700:
    >
    >> On 08/21/2010 05:25 AM, James Silverton wrote:
    >>>
    >>> Today, Earl Evleth on r.travel.europe waxed lyrical about
    >>> spaghetti with clams as in the subject. It does not seem too difficult
    >>> to make and I am going to try it. I wonder if
    >>> anyone has any opinions as to whether some cherry tomatoes
    >>> should be included since it is called "in bianco"? Opinions
    >>> about tomatoes in the recipes on the 'net seem to be
    >>> evenly divided.
    >>>

    >> They're divided, because both ways are good. Wing it, James!


    > We'll see what happens tonight! I'm going to use a few cherry tomatoes and
    > a crushed dried red pepper as called for in one recipe.
    >
    > James Silverton


    OK, you go right ahead, James. But you will burn in hell.

    Felice



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    Melba's Jammin' Guest

    Default Re: Spaghetti con le vongole in bianco

    In article <i4ogj4$ls8$[email protected]>,
    "James Silverton" <[email protected]> wrote:

    > Hello All!
    >
    > Today, Earl Evleth on r.travel.europe waxed lyrical about spaghetti with
    > clams as in the subject. It does not seem too difficult to make and I am
    > going to try it. I wonder if anyone has any opinions as to whether some
    > cherry tomatoes should be included since it is called "in bianco"?


    No tomatoes in clam sauce. No parmesan either, I'm told.

    --
    Barb, Mother Superior, HOSSSPoJ
    Holy Order of the Sacred Sisters of
    St. Pectina of Jella
    "Always in a jam, never in a stew;
    sometimes in a pickle."
    Where are my pearls, Honey?

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    brooklyn1 Guest

    Default Re: Spaghetti con le vongole in bianco

    On Sat, 21 Aug 2010 12:32:14 -0400, "Felice" <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    >
    >"James Silverton" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >news:i4ogj4$ls8$[email protected]..
    >> Hello All!
    >>
    >> Today, Earl Evleth on r.travel.europe waxed lyrical about spaghetti with
    >> clams as in the subject. It does not seem too difficult to make and I am
    >> going to try it. I wonder if anyone has any opinions as to whether some
    >> cherry tomatoes should be included since it is called "in bianco"?
    >> Opinions about tomatoes in the recipes on the 'net seem to be evenly
    >> divided.

    >
    >Sorry, no tomatoes. White clam sauce is the classic in our house.


    No spaghetti... linguinni.

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    Victor Sack Guest

    Default Re: Spaghetti con le vongole in bianco

    James Silverton <[email protected]> wrote:

    > I wonder if anyone has any opinions as to whether some
    > cherry tomatoes should be included since it is called "in bianco"?
    > Opinions about tomatoes in the recipes on the 'net seem to be evenly
    > divided.


    Indeed, "in bianco" means "senza pomodoro" in the context. Opinions
    concerning such matters should be taken from the source, if possible.
    Italian sources overwhelmingly omit tomatoes, but there are still some
    that include them which is completely illogical.

    Here is a brief discussion (in Italian) with a couple of recipes:

    <http://www.portanapoli.com/Ita/Cucina/spaghetti-vongole.html>

    The abridged English version includes just one recipe (with tomatoes),
    but does explain that "in bianco" means "without tomatoes":

    <http://www.portanapoli.com/Eng/Gastronomy/spaghetti-vongole.html>

    Personally, I prefer the tomatoless version and, even if I were to make
    the dish with tomatoes, I'd choose the appropriate name.

    Victor

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    Sqwertz Guest

    Default Re: Spaghetti con le vongole in bianco

    On Sat, 21 Aug 2010 08:25:09 -0400, James Silverton wrote:

    > Hello All!
    >
    > Today, Earl Evleth on r.travel.europe waxed lyrical about spaghetti with
    > clams as in the subject. It does not seem too difficult to make and I am
    > going to try it. I wonder if anyone has any opinions as to whether some
    > cherry tomatoes should be included since it is called "in bianco"?
    > Opinions about tomatoes in the recipes on the 'net seem to be evenly
    > divided.


    You're worried about ruing the *name* of the dish? Make it however you
    think you'll like it, IMO.

    -sw

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    Sqwertz Guest

    Default Re: Spaghetti con le vongole in bianco

    On Sat, 21 Aug 2010 15:10:56 -0400, Felice wrote:

    > OK, you go right ahead, James. But you will burn in hell.


    He and his household will be subject to Attack of the Killer Tomatoes.

    -sw

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    Kalmia Guest

    Default Re: Spaghetti con le vongole in bianco

    On Aug 21, 8:25*am, "James Silverton" <not.jim.silver...@verizon.net>
    wrote:
    > Hello All!
    >
    > Today, Earl Evleth on r.travel.europe waxed lyrical about spaghetti with
    > clams as in the subject. It does not seem too difficult to make and I am
    > going to try it. I wonder if anyone has any opinions as to whether some
    > cherry tomatoes should be included since it is called "in bianco"?
    > Opinions about tomatoes in the recipes on the 'net seem to be evenly
    > divided.



    Skip the tomatoes and remember -go wild with the garlic.

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    James Silverton Guest

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    Melba's wrote on Sat, 21 Aug 2010 14:31:28 -0500:

    >> Hello All!
    >>
    >> Today, Earl Evleth on r.travel.europe waxed lyrical about
    >> spaghetti with clams as in the subject. It does not seem too
    >> difficult to make and I am going to try it. I wonder if
    >> anyone has any opinions as to whether some cherry tomatoes
    >> should be included since it is called "in bianco"?


    > No tomatoes in clam sauce. No parmesan either, I'm told.


    Thanks to everyone! Here's the recipe I used and it came out very well.
    The cherry tomatoes don't add much color to the result and the only
    difference from the original is that I used two crushed red peppers as
    well.

    Spaghetti e vongole (Spaghetti and clams)



    http://www.portanapoli.com/Eng/Gastr...i-vongole.html





    The spaghetti e vongole is one of the main dish of the Neapolitan
    Christmas Eve dinner.







    Ingredients (4-5 persons)

    Fresh small clams in shells 500 gr. (1.1 pound),

    Cherry tomatoes 200 gr. (0.44 pound).

    Two dried red peppers (my addition based on other recipes)

    Chopped garlic 2 cloves

    Olive oil 1/4 cup

    Salt 1/2 teaspoon

    Chopped parsley 1/4 cup

    Spaghetti 500 gr. (1.1 pound) (as alternative: vermicelli or linguine).





    Procedure

    1. Wash and keep the clams in salt water for half an hour before
    cooking..

    2. Cut each tomatoes into 2-3 pieces.

    3. In a sauce pan over medium heat, saute garlic in oil until light
    blond.

    4. Add tomatoes, salt, half of parsley and two crushed red peppers. Stir
    slowly and cook for 3-4 minutes.

    5. Add drained clams, stir and cover till the clams are open (3-4
    minutes). If the sauce is too dry add 1/4 cup boiling water from the
    pasta pan.

    6. Drain the spaghetti cooked al dente and put back into the same pasta
    pan, pour on the clam juice from the sauce pan and stir for 1 minute
    over medium heat (You can start to cook pasta, in the pan with boiling
    water, when adding tomatoes to sauce pan).

    7. Top each dish with clams and the rest of parsley and then serve.



    To cook the recipe without tomatoes spring simply the step nr. 4



    A dry cold white wine is the right accompaniment for the Spaghetti e
    vongole






    --

    James Silverton
    Potomac, Maryland

    Email, with obvious alterations: not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not


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    James Silverton Guest

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    Kalmia wrote on Sat, 21 Aug 2010 14:59:45 -0700 (PDT):

    > On Aug 21, 8:25 am, "James Silverton"
    > <not.jim.silver...@verizon.net> wrote:
    >> Hello All!
    >>
    >> Today, Earl Evleth on r.travel.europe waxed lyrical about
    >> spaghetti with clams as in the subject. It does not seem too
    >> difficult to make and I am going to try it. I wonder if
    >> anyone has any opinions as to whether some cherry tomatoes
    >> should be included since it is called "in bianco"? Opinions
    >> about tomatoes in the recipes on the 'net seem to be
    >> evenly divided.


    My thanks to everyone for their comments. I made spaghetti con le
    vongole (I believe it should really be "e vongole") last night and it
    was very good. I included sliced cherry tomatoes and a crushed red
    pepper but the color was not particularly red. Here's the recipe.

    Spaghetti e vongole (Spaghetti and clams)



    http://www.portanapoli.com/Eng/Gastr...i-vongole.html



    This dish is for the Neapolitans a joyful emotion and a temptation for
    the palate.

    You can cook it with or without tomatoes. Probably you can divide the
    Neapolitan people asking if they eat "Spaghetti e vongole in bianco"
    (without tomatoes) or "Spaghetti e vongole col pomodorino" ( with cherry
    tomatoes).







    The spaghetti e vongole is one of the main dish of the Neapolitan
    Christmas Eve dinner.







    Ingredients (4-5 persons)

    Fresh small clams in shells 500 gr. (1.1 pound),

    Cherry tomatoes 200 gr. (0.44 pound).

    Chopped garlic 2 cloves

    Two crushed dried red peppers (Arbol. My addition based on other
    recipes)

    Olive oil 1/4 cup

    Salt 1/2 teaspoon

    Chopped parsley 1/4 cup

    Spaghetti 500 gr. (1.1 pound) (as alternative: vermicelli or linguine).





    Procedure

    1. Wash and keep the clams in salt water for half an hour before
    cooking..

    2. Cut each tomatoes into 2-3 pieces.

    3. In a sauce pan over medium heat, saute garlic in oil until light
    blond.

    4. Add tomatoes, salt, half of parsley and red peppers. Stir slowly and
    cook for 3-4 minutes.

    5. Add drained clams, stir and cover till the clams are open (3-4
    minutes). If the sauce is too dry add 1/4 cup boiling water from the
    pasta pan.

    6. Drain the spaghetti cooked al dente and put back into the same pasta
    pan, pour on the clam juice from the sauce pan and stir for 1 minute
    over medium heat (You can start to cook pasta, in the pan with boiling
    water, when adding tomatoes to sauce pan).

    7. Top each dish with clams and the rest of parsley and then serve.



    To cook the recipe without tomatoes spring simply the step nr. 4






    --

    James Silverton
    Potomac, Maryland

    Email, with obvious alterations: not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not


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    blake murphy Guest

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    On Sat, 21 Aug 2010 12:32:14 -0400, Felice wrote:

    > "James Silverton" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:i4ogj4$ls8$[email protected]..
    >> Hello All!
    >>
    >> Today, Earl Evleth on r.travel.europe waxed lyrical about spaghetti with
    >> clams as in the subject. It does not seem too difficult to make and I am
    >> going to try it. I wonder if anyone has any opinions as to whether some
    >> cherry tomatoes should be included since it is called "in bianco"?
    >> Opinions about tomatoes in the recipes on the 'net seem to be evenly
    >> divided.

    >
    > Sorry, no tomatoes. White clam sauce is the classic in our house.
    >
    > But then, we take our clam chowder white, too.
    >
    > Felice


    you from southie?

    your pal,
    blake

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    blake murphy Guest

    Default Re: Spaghetti con le vongole in bianco

    On Sat, 21 Aug 2010 15:10:56 -0400, Felice wrote:

    > "James Silverton" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:i4p61e$cg9$[email protected]..
    >> Serene wrote on Sat, 21 Aug 2010 10:56:59 -0700:
    >>
    >>> On 08/21/2010 05:25 AM, James Silverton wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>> Today, Earl Evleth on r.travel.europe waxed lyrical about
    >>>> spaghetti with clams as in the subject. It does not seem too difficult
    >>>> to make and I am going to try it. I wonder if
    >>>> anyone has any opinions as to whether some cherry tomatoes
    >>>> should be included since it is called "in bianco"? Opinions
    >>>> about tomatoes in the recipes on the 'net seem to be
    >>>> evenly divided.
    >>>>
    >>> They're divided, because both ways are good. Wing it, James!

    >
    >> We'll see what happens tonight! I'm going to use a few cherry tomatoes and
    >> a crushed dried red pepper as called for in one recipe.
    >>
    >> James Silverton

    >
    > OK, you go right ahead, James. But you will burn in hell.
    >
    > Felice


    it's a good spot for it.

    your pal,
    rick

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    sf Guest

    Default Re: Spaghetti con le vongole in bianco

    On Sat, 21 Aug 2010 08:25:09 -0400, "James Silverton"
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    > Hello All!
    >
    > Today, Earl Evleth on r.travel.europe waxed lyrical about spaghetti with
    > clams as in the subject. It does not seem too difficult to make and I am
    > going to try it. I wonder if anyone has any opinions as to whether some
    > cherry tomatoes should be included since it is called "in bianco"?
    > Opinions about tomatoes in the recipes on the 'net seem to be evenly
    > divided.


    I prefer my white sauce to be EVOO, which migrated from a blend of
    EVOO and butter, wine and garlic (of course) and a bit of parsley for
    color. That's the crux... additions to that (including cheese) are up
    to you.

    --

    Carrot cake counts as a serving of vegetables.

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    sf Guest

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    On Sat, 21 Aug 2010 09:41:49 -0700, "Kent" <[email protected]> wrote:

    > No, When we make clams or mussels with linguine we always use a white sauce
    > that does't compete with the clam.


    I don't make this, but I order it when it's a restaurant special...
    mussels (which are less expensive than clams, so that's what they
    offer) and calamari in a red sauce (made from scratch) over pasta.
    It's very good.

    --

    Carrot cake counts as a serving of vegetables.

  20. #20
    Felice Guest

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    "blake murphy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:15o4794jpds79$.[email protected]..
    > On Sat, 21 Aug 2010 12:32:14 -0400, Felice wrote:
    >
    >> "James Silverton" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >> news:i4ogj4$ls8$[email protected]..
    >>> Hello All!
    >>>
    >>> Today, Earl Evleth on r.travel.europe waxed lyrical about spaghetti with
    >>> clams as in the subject. It does not seem too difficult to make and I am
    >>> going to try it. I wonder if anyone has any opinions as to whether some
    >>> cherry tomatoes should be included since it is called "in bianco"?
    >>> Opinions about tomatoes in the recipes on the 'net seem to be evenly
    >>> divided.

    >>
    >> Sorry, no tomatoes. White clam sauce is the classic in our house.
    >>
    >> But then, we take our clam chowder white, too.
    >>
    >> Felice

    >
    > you from southie?
    >
    > your pal,
    > blake


    Oooh, nice one! So, right back atcha ...

    Louise



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