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  1. #1
    Bryan Guest

    Default The sirens that cry, "WOLF!"

    And the radio stations too. The National Weather Service should
    cancel tornado warnings immediately after the storm has passed. If we
    went into the basement every time those sirens went off... Still, I'm
    considering building a little bunker down there, maybe 8' square.
    It's bull**** that there are still tornado warnings here for another
    25 minutes when the tornadic storm cell has been into Illinois for
    almost a half an hour. The government is the only entity that can
    improve the situation, and that takes revenues. Here's a little piece
    I wrote answering an email, but also posted to Facebook, commenting on
    an article that was critical of all of the different taxes we pay:
    __________________________________________________ __
    This author may claim to be "neutral," but there is a strong anti-
    taxation bias, and that is not ideologically neutral. In fact, I'd
    call it far Right masquerading as non-partisan. Anything earned
    within an economic system is earned in the context of that system, and
    the tax structure is part of that context. The same can even be said
    for ownership. One owns things by society's agreement that the thing
    is ownable, hence, it doesn't really make sense to claim that things
    that one earns in the context of the system are the exclusive property
    of the earner, and that taxes are an unjust taking. The idea of there
    being a "natural law" regarding property and the exchange of goods and
    services being fair as long as there is no interference from
    government--especially since government (we hope) is the ultimate
    enforcer of property rights--is a dangerous idea, and economic systems
    that have few taxes instead function on graft and intimidation.
    I am very thankful that I live in a political system where police
    officers and bureaucrats are paid with revenue from our taxes, rather
    than by bribes. Ranting against taxes is easy until one really thinks
    what life would be like in their absence.
    __________________________________________________ __

    --Bryan

  2. #2
    John Kuthe Guest

    Default Re: The sirens that cry, "WOLF!"

    On May 25, 5:16*pm, Bryan <bryangsimm...@gmail.com> wrote:
    > And the radio stations too. *The National Weather Service should
    > cancel tornado warnings immediately after the storm has passed. *If we
    > went into the basement every time those sirens went off... *Still, I'm
    > considering building a little bunker down there, maybe 8' square.
    > It's bull**** that there are still tornado warnings here for another
    > 25 minutes when the tornadic storm cell has been into Illinois for
    > almost a half an hour....


    The media is having a field day with this! This just typical (OK, a
    little more intense than typical) Midwestern Spring thunderstorms!!

    Ooo! Ohh! It's a monster! (Like a Japanese Godzilla movie!)

    I'm about to drive to Imo's in Webster, TTFN!!

    John Kuthe...

  3. #3
    Bryan Guest

    Default Re: The sirens that cry, "WOLF!"

    On May 25, 5:23*pm, John Kuthe <johnkuth...@gmail.com> wrote:
    > On May 25, 5:16*pm, Bryan <bryangsimm...@gmail.com> wrote:
    >
    > > And the radio stations too. *The National Weather Service should
    > > cancel tornado warnings immediately after the storm has passed. *If we
    > > went into the basement every time those sirens went off... *Still, I'm
    > > considering building a little bunker down there, maybe 8' square.
    > > It's bull**** that there are still tornado warnings here for another
    > > 25 minutes when the tornadic storm cell has been into Illinois for
    > > almost a half an hour....

    >
    > The media is having a field day with this! This just typical (OK, a
    > little more intense than typical) Midwestern Spring thunderstorms!!


    There was a tornado that tracked from Mehlville through St. Louis. It
    dropped huge hail on the house on Lawn where Monica lives (Kris' old
    house). There's a pic of her w/ a huge hailstone in her mouth on FB.
    http://www.facebook.com/pages/St-Lou...693442?sk=wall
    >
    > Ooo! Ohh! It's a monster! (Like a Japanese Godzilla movie!)
    >
    > I'm about to drive to Imo's in Webster, TTFN!!


    To eat some of the worst pizza St. Louis has to offer?
    >
    > John Kuthe...


    --Bryan

  4. #4
    Steve Pope Guest

    Default Re: The sirens that cry, "WOLF!"

    Bryan <[email protected]> wrote:

    >There was a tornado that tracked from Mehlville through St. Louis.


    "Track" can be a verb so while the above sentence has correct syntax,
    I wonder about its semantics.

    Who was it tracking, Reverend Camping??


    S.

  5. #5
    John Kuthe Guest

    Default Re: The sirens that cry, "WOLF!"

    On May 25, 6:08*pm, Bryan <bryangsimm...@gmail.com> wrote:
    > On May 25, 5:23*pm, John Kuthe <johnkuth...@gmail.com> wrote:

    ....
    > To eat some of the worst pizza St. Louis has to offer?
    >
    > > John Kuthe...

    >
    > --Bryan


    You eat what you like, and I'll eat what I like. The two don't always
    have to coincide. My nephew Paul's in town from Portland for his
    birthday and the Indy 500, and it is tradition in my family. Paul
    likes to always hit Imo's and Ted Drewes when he's in town (they don't
    have those in Portland OR) and we killed two birds with one stone this
    evening.

    Plus the rain brought The Saint up again, so we are guaranteed good
    water for Friday!

    http://waterdata.usgs.gov/nwis/uv/?s...agency_cd=USGS

    Woo hoo! :-)

    John Kuthe...

  6. #6
    Bryan Guest

    Default Re: The sirens that cry, "WOLF!"

    On May 25, 10:29*pm, John Kuthe <johnkuth...@gmail.com> wrote:
    > On May 25, 6:08*pm, Bryan <bryangsimm...@gmail.com> wrote:
    >
    > > On May 25, 5:23*pm, John Kuthe <johnkuth...@gmail.com> wrote:

    > ...
    > > To eat some of the worst pizza St. Louis has to offer?

    >
    > > > John Kuthe...

    >
    > > --Bryan

    >
    > You eat what you like, and I'll eat what I like. The two don't always
    > have to coincide. My nephew Paul's in town from Portland for his
    > birthday and the Indy 500, and it is tradition in my family. Paul
    > likes to always hit Imo's and Ted Drewes when he's in town (they don't
    > have those in Portland OR) and we killed two birds with one stone this
    > evening.


    I wonder if your nephew's passion happened to be McDonald's... Hmmm?
    At least they both use process cheese.

    Or maybe Checker's? They don't have those in the Pacific NW either.
    >
    > John Kuthe...


    --Bryan

  7. #7
    Krypsis Guest

    Default Re: The sirens that cry, "WOLF!"

    On 26/05/2011 11:01 AM, Steve Pope wrote:
    > Bryan<[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >> There was a tornado that tracked from Mehlville through St. Louis.

    >
    > "Track" can be a verb so while the above sentence has correct syntax,
    > I wonder about its semantics.


    Followed/created a track??
    >
    > Who was it tracking, Reverend Camping??
    >

    Anybody unlucky enough to be in its path. Saw one very lucky truck
    driver on the news this evening. He used his phone to film the approach
    of it. In the same circumstances, I think I might have been heading
    rather rapidly away from its path instead of trying to get the next
    youtube sensation.

    Krypsis

  8. #8
    Nunya Bidnits Guest

    Default Re: The sirens that cry, "WOLF!"

    Re: b7b751c6-2115-4aa7-b9b7-81a6b9814fa0...oglegroups.com
    Bryan <[email protected]> wrote:
    > And the radio stations too. The National Weather Service should
    > cancel tornado warnings immediately after the storm has passed. If we
    > went into the basement every time those sirens went off... Still, I'm
    > considering building a little bunker down there, maybe 8' square.
    > It's bull**** that there are still tornado warnings here for another
    > 25 minutes when the tornadic storm cell has been into Illinois for
    > almost a half an hour. The government is the only entity that can
    > improve the situation, and that takes revenues. Here's a little piece
    > I wrote answering an email, but also posted to Facebook, commenting on
    > an article that was critical of all of the different taxes we pay:
    > __________________________________________________ __
    > This author may claim to be "neutral," but there is a strong anti-
    > taxation bias, and that is not ideologically neutral. In fact, I'd
    > call it far Right masquerading as non-partisan. Anything earned
    > within an economic system is earned in the context of that system, and
    > the tax structure is part of that context. The same can even be said
    > for ownership. One owns things by society's agreement that the thing
    > is ownable, hence, it doesn't really make sense to claim that things
    > that one earns in the context of the system are the exclusive property
    > of the earner, and that taxes are an unjust taking. The idea of there
    > being a "natural law" regarding property and the exchange of goods and
    > services being fair as long as there is no interference from
    > government--especially since government (we hope) is the ultimate
    > enforcer of property rights--is a dangerous idea, and economic systems
    > that have few taxes instead function on graft and intimidation.
    > I am very thankful that I live in a political system where police
    > officers and bureaucrats are paid with revenue from our taxes, rather
    > than by bribes. Ranting against taxes is easy until one really thinks
    > what life would be like in their absence.
    > __________________________________________________ __
    >
    > --Bryan


    Scrap those pesky tornado warnings? Really?

    That easily quailfies as the stupidest post I have read all month, except
    for the trolls, and I'm not exaggerating. Even with the trolls included it's
    right near the top of the list.



  9. #9
    Bryan Guest

    Default Re: The sirens that cry, "WOLF!"

    On May 26, 8:06*am, Krypsis <kryp...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
    > On 26/05/2011 11:01 AM, Steve Pope wrote:
    >
    > > Bryan<bryangsimm...@gmail.com> *wrote:

    >
    > >> There was a tornado that tracked from Mehlville through St. Louis.

    >
    > > "Track" can be a verb so while the above sentence has correct syntax,
    > > I wonder about its semantics.

    >
    > Followed/created a track??
    >
    > > Who was it tracking, Reverend Camping??

    >
    > Anybody unlucky enough to be in its path. Saw one very lucky truck
    > driver on the news this evening. He used his phone to film the approach
    > of it. In the same circumstances, I think I might have been heading
    > rather rapidly away from its path instead of trying to get the next
    > youtube sensation.


    The above mentioned tornado never touched down, but it threw off some
    really large hail.
    >
    > Krypsis


    --Bryan

  10. #10
    John Kuthe Guest

    Default Re: The sirens that cry, "WOLF!"

    On May 26, 8:39*am, "Nunya Bidnits" <nunyabidn...@eternal-
    september.invalid> wrote:
    > Re: b7b751c6-2115-4aa7-b9b7-81a6b9814...@l26g2000yqm.googlegroups.com
    >
    >
    >
    > Bryan <bryangsimm...@gmail.com> wrote:
    > > And the radio stations too. *The National Weather Service should
    > > cancel tornado warnings immediately after the storm has passed. *If we
    > > went into the basement every time those sirens went off... *Still, I'm
    > > considering building a little bunker down there, maybe 8' square.
    > > It's bull**** that there are still tornado warnings here for another
    > > 25 minutes when the tornadic storm cell has been into Illinois for
    > > almost a half an hour. * *The government is the only entity that can
    > > improve the situation, and that takes revenues. *Here's a little piece
    > > I wrote answering an email, but also posted to Facebook, commenting on
    > > an article that was critical of all of the different taxes we pay:
    > > __________________________________________________ __
    > > This author may claim to be "neutral," but there is a strong anti-
    > > taxation bias, and that is not ideologically neutral. *In fact, I'd
    > > call it far Right masquerading as non-partisan. *Anything earned
    > > within an economic system is earned in the context of that system, and
    > > the tax structure is part of that context. *The same can even be said
    > > for ownership. *One owns things by society's agreement that the thing
    > > is ownable, hence, it doesn't really make sense to claim that things
    > > that one earns in the context of the system are the exclusive property
    > > of the earner, and that taxes are an unjust taking. *The idea of there
    > > being a "natural law" regarding property and the exchange of goods and
    > > services being fair as long as there is no interference from
    > > government--especially since government (we hope) is the ultimate
    > > enforcer of property rights--is a dangerous idea, and economic systems
    > > that have few taxes instead function on graft and intimidation.
    > > I am very thankful that I live in a political system where police
    > > officers and bureaucrats are paid with revenue from our taxes, rather
    > > than by bribes. *Ranting against taxes is easy until one really thinks
    > > what life would be like in their absence.
    > > __________________________________________________ __

    >
    > > --Bryan

    >
    > Scrap those pesky tornado warnings? Really?
    >
    > That easily quailfies as the stupidest post I have read all month, except
    > for the trolls, and I'm not exaggerating. Even with the trolls included it's
    > right near the top of the list.


    My buddy who had his house destroyed in the New Year's Even tornado in
    Sunset Hills MO said he never heard a siren. His clue to get to his
    basement was the extremely violent rain followed by the "freight
    train" sound of the tornado.

    Bryan is correct. These bloody sirens going off at the faintest hint
    of severe weather are the equivalent of crying wolf! The advertising-
    driven local news media is making a fortune and a fiasco out of this
    whole thing!

    John Kuthe...

  11. #11
    John Kuthe Guest

    Default Re: The sirens that cry, "WOLF!"

    On May 26, 7:55*am, Bryan <bryangsimm...@gmail.com> wrote:
    > On May 25, 10:29*pm, John Kuthe <johnkuth...@gmail.com> wrote:
    >
    >
    >
    > > On May 25, 6:08*pm, Bryan <bryangsimm...@gmail.com> wrote:

    >
    > > > On May 25, 5:23*pm, John Kuthe <johnkuth...@gmail.com> wrote:

    > > ...
    > > > To eat some of the worst pizza St. Louis has to offer?

    >
    > > > > John Kuthe...

    >
    > > > --Bryan

    >
    > > You eat what you like, and I'll eat what I like. The two don't always
    > > have to coincide. My nephew Paul's in town from Portland for his
    > > birthday and the Indy 500, and it is tradition in my family. Paul
    > > likes to always hit Imo's and Ted Drewes when he's in town (they don't
    > > have those in Portland OR) and we killed two birds with one stone this
    > > evening.

    >
    > I wonder if your nephew's passion happened to be McDonald's... *Hmmm?
    > At least they both use process cheese.
    >
    > Or maybe Checker's? *They don't have those in the Pacific NW either.
    >
    >
    >
    > > John Kuthe...

    >
    > --Bryan


    Paul is not stupid. You just have a hyperbolic negative knee-jerk
    reaction to Imo's and Provel cheese (and many other food products
    too.) Things like Velveeta too. Provel and Velveeta are not what I'd
    call good, but they don't rot my tongue off either, and that's what
    your ranting makes them should like.

    I would have much preferred a fine Schlafly's product to the big-assed
    cans of cheap water beer we drank the other day at your house, but I
    didn't rail against it and it was certainly better than no beer. Not
    only because it was "free beer" but also because it was some semblance
    of beer.

    John Kuthe...

  12. #12
    Nunya Bidnits Guest

    Default Re: The sirens that cry, "WOLF!"

    Re: 2be05e5e-aa67-4ad2-a569-6f04387ec476...oglegroups.com
    John Kuthe <[email protected]> wrote:
    > On May 26, 8:39 am, "Nunya Bidnits" <nunyabidn...@eternal-
    > september.invalid> wrote:
    >> Re: b7b751c6-2115-4aa7-b9b7-81a6b9814...@l26g2000yqm.googlegroups.com
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> Bryan <bryangsimm...@gmail.com> wrote:
    >>> And the radio stations too. The National Weather Service should
    >>> cancel tornado warnings immediately after the storm has passed. If
    >>> we went into the basement every time those sirens went off...
    >>> Still, I'm considering building a little bunker down there, maybe
    >>> 8' square. It's bull**** that there are still tornado warnings here
    >>> for another 25 minutes when the tornadic storm cell has been into
    >>> Illinois for almost a half an hour. The government is the only
    >>> entity that can improve the situation, and that takes revenues.
    >>> Here's a little piece I wrote answering an email, but also posted
    >>> to Facebook, commenting on an article that was critical of all of
    >>> the different taxes we pay:
    >>> __________________________________________________ __
    >>> This author may claim to be "neutral," but there is a strong anti-
    >>> taxation bias, and that is not ideologically neutral. In fact, I'd
    >>> call it far Right masquerading as non-partisan. Anything earned
    >>> within an economic system is earned in the context of that system,
    >>> and the tax structure is part of that context. The same can even be
    >>> said for ownership. One owns things by society's agreement that the
    >>> thing is ownable, hence, it doesn't really make sense to claim that
    >>> things that one earns in the context of the system are the
    >>> exclusive property of the earner, and that taxes are an unjust
    >>> taking. The idea of there being a "natural law" regarding property
    >>> and the exchange of goods and services being fair as long as there
    >>> is no interference from government--especially since government (we
    >>> hope) is the ultimate enforcer of property rights--is a dangerous
    >>> idea, and economic systems that have few taxes instead function on
    >>> graft and intimidation.
    >>> I am very thankful that I live in a political system where police
    >>> officers and bureaucrats are paid with revenue from our taxes,
    >>> rather than by bribes. Ranting against taxes is easy until one
    >>> really thinks what life would be like in their absence.
    >>> __________________________________________________ __

    >>
    >>> --Bryan

    >>
    >> Scrap those pesky tornado warnings? Really?
    >>
    >> That easily quailfies as the stupidest post I have read all month,
    >> except for the trolls, and I'm not exaggerating. Even with the
    >> trolls included it's right near the top of the list.

    >
    > My buddy who had his house destroyed in the New Year's Even tornado in
    > Sunset Hills MO said he never heard a siren. His clue to get to his
    > basement was the extremely violent rain followed by the "freight
    > train" sound of the tornado.


    So that proves tornado warnings don't work. Right.

    >
    > Bryan is correct. These bloody sirens going off at the faintest hint
    > of severe weather are the equivalent of crying wolf!


    That's hogwash. We had a scare here yesterday with many startup funnels in
    the area. I heard the warnings and was then able to track it exactly using
    the media you criticize as they save lives. I watched as two dangerous
    systems headed right for me split off in two directions at the last second.
    Fortunately there were no major touchdowns but Sedalia MO got hit, but with
    plenty of warning. It is by no means crying wolf. They do not set these
    sirens and media based warnings off unless there is a reason, and anyone
    with common sense then knows to tune in to weather channels on tv or radio
    where you can take advantage of modern meteorology to get precise tracking
    information. Or maybe you think it's better to just blindly carry on until a
    tornado is right on top of you. Maybe you think it's no problem to just step
    out of the way once it's in your neighborhood. A lot of dead people have had
    the same idea. And I'm virtually certain you've never had the experience of
    touring a major tornado disaster area within 24-48 hours afterwards as I
    have, but if you had, you wouldn't be so nonchalant about it.

    >The advertising-
    > driven local news media is making a fortune and a fiasco out of this
    > whole thing!


    I guess you missed the news from Joplin and the rest of the lower midwest.
    Many lives were saved by the warnings which are part of a comprehensive
    system.

    Whether the storms and warnings are making a lot of money for the ad driven
    media is a matter of wild-assed speculation.

    How many lives is it worth, exactly, to shut down these systems to suit your
    personal tastes? One? Fifty? Hundreds?

    Joplin received excellent advance warning and countless lives were saved as
    a result. I'd like to see you debate your point in person with any citizen
    of that city right now.

    MartyB



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