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  1. #1
    ImStillMags Guest

    Default School Lunch.........another reason Congress is at 9 percent approval.


    Congress wants to keep pizza and french fries on school lunch lines,
    fighting back against an Obama administration proposal to make school
    lunches healthier.

    The final version of a spending bill released late Monday would
    unravel school lunch standards the Agriculture Department proposed
    earlier this year, which included limiting the use of potatoes on the
    lunch line and delaying limits on sodium and delaying a requirement to
    boost whole grains.

    The bill also would allow tomato paste on pizzas to be counted as a
    vegetable, as it is now. USDA had wanted to prevent that.

    Food companies that produce frozen pizzas for schools, the salt
    industry and potato growers requested the changes, and some
    conservatives in Congress say the federal government shouldn't be
    telling children what to eat.

    (snip)


    The school lunch proposal was based on 2009 recommendations by the
    Institute of Medicine, the health arm of the National Academy of
    Sciences. Agriculture Secretary Tom Vilsack said they were needed to
    reduce childhood obesity and future health care costs.

    Nutrition advocate Margo Wootan of the Center for Science in the
    Public Interest said Congress's proposed changes will keep schools
    from serving a wider array of vegetables. Children already get enough
    pizza and potatoes, she says. It would also slow efforts to make
    pizzas - a longtime standby on school lunch lines - healthier, with
    whole grain crusts and lower levels of sodium.

    "They are making sure that two of the biggest problems in the school
    lunch program, pizza and french fries, are untouched," she said.

    A group of retired generals advocating for healthier school lunches
    also criticized the spending bill. The group, called Mission:
    Readiness has called poor nutrition in school lunches a national
    security issue because obesity is the leading medical disqualifier for
    military service.

    "We are outraged that Congress is seriously considering language that
    would effectively categorize pizza as a vegetable in the school lunch
    program," Amy Dawson Taggart, the director of the group, said in a
    letter to members of Congress before the final plan was released. "It
    doesn't take an advanced degree in nutrition to call this a national
    disgrace."



    Read more: http://www.bellinghamherald.com/2011...#ixzz1dnSeacVB

  2. #2
    merryb Guest

    Default Re: School Lunch.........another reason Congress is at 9 percent approval.

    On Nov 15, 9:41*am, ImStillMags <sitara8...@gmail.com> wrote:
    > Congress wants to keep pizza and french fries on school lunch lines,
    > fighting back against an Obama administration proposal to make school
    > lunches healthier.
    >
    > The final version of a spending bill released late Monday would
    > unravel school lunch standards the Agriculture Department proposed
    > earlier this year, which included limiting the use of potatoes on the
    > lunch line and delaying limits on sodium and delaying a requirement to
    > boost whole grains.
    >
    > The bill also would allow tomato paste on pizzas to be counted as a
    > vegetable, as it is now. USDA had wanted to prevent that.
    >
    > Food companies that produce frozen pizzas for schools, the salt
    > industry and potato growers requested the changes, and some
    > conservatives in Congress say the federal government shouldn't be
    > telling children what to eat.
    >
    > (snip)
    >
    > The school lunch proposal was based on 2009 recommendations by the
    > Institute of Medicine, the health arm of the National Academy of
    > Sciences. Agriculture Secretary Tom Vilsack said they were needed to
    > reduce childhood obesity and future health care costs.
    >
    > Nutrition advocate Margo Wootan of the Center for Science in the
    > Public Interest said Congress's proposed changes will keep schools
    > from serving a wider array of vegetables. Children already get enough
    > pizza and potatoes, she says. It would also slow efforts to make
    > pizzas - a longtime standby on school lunch lines - healthier, with
    > whole grain crusts and lower levels of sodium.
    >
    > "They are making sure that two of the biggest problems in the school
    > lunch program, pizza and french fries, are untouched," she said.
    >
    > A group of retired generals advocating for healthier school lunches
    > also criticized the spending bill. The group, called Mission:
    > Readiness has called poor nutrition in school lunches a national
    > security issue because obesity is the leading medical disqualifier for
    > military service.
    >
    > "We are outraged that Congress is seriously considering language that
    > would effectively categorize pizza as a vegetable in the school lunch
    > program," Amy Dawson Taggart, the director of the group, said in a
    > letter to members of Congress before the final plan was released. "It
    > doesn't take an advanced degree in nutrition to call this a national
    > disgrace."
    >
    > Read more:http://www.bellinghamherald.com/2011...ress-pushes-ba...


    Pretty sad...my son used to buy lunch at his middle school, but he
    wasn't buying a "real" lunch. He was buying a cup 'o noodles and some
    other crap. He now is taking lunch from home, and he makes it himself.
    He is liking a turkey sandwich on Dave's Killer Bread right now...

  3. #3
    spamtrap1888 Guest

    Default Re: School Lunch.........another reason Congress is at 9 percent approval.

    On Nov 15, 9:41*am, ImStillMags <sitara8...@gmail.com> wrote:
    > Congress wants to keep pizza and french fries on school lunch lines,
    > fighting back against an Obama administration proposal to make school
    > lunches healthier.
    >
    > The final version of a spending bill released late Monday would
    > unravel school lunch standards the Agriculture Department proposed
    > earlier this year, which included limiting the use of potatoes on the
    > lunch line and delaying limits on sodium and delaying a requirement to
    > boost whole grains.
    >
    > The bill also would allow tomato paste on pizzas to be counted as a
    > vegetable, as it is now. USDA had wanted to prevent that.
    >
    > Food companies that produce frozen pizzas for schools, the salt
    > industry and potato growers requested the changes, and some
    > conservatives in Congress say the federal government shouldn't be
    > telling children what to eat.
    >
    > (snip)
    >
    > The school lunch proposal was based on 2009 recommendations by the
    > Institute of Medicine, the health arm of the National Academy of
    > Sciences. Agriculture Secretary Tom Vilsack said they were needed to
    > reduce childhood obesity and future health care costs.
    >
    > Nutrition advocate Margo Wootan of the Center for Science in the
    > Public Interest said Congress's proposed changes will keep schools
    > from serving a wider array of vegetables. Children already get enough
    > pizza and potatoes, she says. It would also slow efforts to make
    > pizzas - a longtime standby on school lunch lines - healthier, with
    > whole grain crusts and lower levels of sodium.
    >
    > "They are making sure that two of the biggest problems in the school
    > lunch program, pizza and french fries, are untouched," she said.
    >
    > A group of retired generals advocating for healthier school lunches
    > also criticized the spending bill. The group, called Mission:
    > Readiness has called poor nutrition in school lunches a national
    > security issue because obesity is the leading medical disqualifier for
    > military service.
    >
    > "We are outraged that Congress is seriously considering language that
    > would effectively categorize pizza as a vegetable in the school lunch
    > program," Amy Dawson Taggart, the director of the group, said in a
    > letter to members of Congress before the final plan was released. "It
    > doesn't take an advanced degree in nutrition to call this a national
    > disgrace."
    >


    The most important thing about school lunch is making it palatable to
    kids. If the kids won't eat it then it's a total waste, no matter how
    healthy it sounds to adult nutritionists. If kids like pizza,
    concentrate on making pizza more nutritious without taking away what
    makes pizza appeal to kids.

    Kids like tater tots: get Simplot to add mashed peas and carrots to
    their recipe.

  4. #4
    Mark Thorson Guest

    Default Re: School Lunch.........another reason Congress is at 9 percentapproval.

    ImStillMags wrote:
    >
    > Food companies that produce frozen pizzas for schools, the salt
    > industry and potato growers requested the changes, and some
    > conservatives in Congress say the federal government shouldn't be
    > telling children what to eat.


    Baloney! The salt industry could care less what's
    served for lunch at schools. Salt for human consumption
    is a tiny fraction of their business. That would be
    like the mercury industry caring about whether mercury
    compounds are used in vaccines.

  5. #5
    sf Guest

    Default Re: School Lunch.........another reason Congress is at 9 percent approval.

    On Tue, 15 Nov 2011 09:41:19 -0800 (PST), ImStillMags
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    > Congress wants to keep pizza and french fries on school lunch lines,
    > fighting back against an Obama administration proposal to make school
    > lunches healthier.


    It figures.

    --
    All you need is love. But a little chocolate now and then doesn't hurt.

  6. #6
    jmcquown Guest

    Default Re: School Lunch.........another reason Congress is at 9 percent approval.


    "sf" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news[email protected]..
    > On Tue, 15 Nov 2011 09:41:19 -0800 (PST), ImStillMags
    > <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >> Congress wants to keep pizza and french fries on school lunch lines,
    >> fighting back against an Obama administration proposal to make school
    >> lunches healthier.

    >
    > It figures.
    >

    I'm not for government control about what kids eat (I took PB sandwiches for
    lunch all the time; apparently I could have exacerbated some kids' allergy
    by eating it). But I don't see why making lunches healthier is a bad thing.
    I'd still make a slice of pizza available if that's what the parents want.
    IIRC (and it was a long time ago) the pizza was about as tasteless as
    cardboard and the french fries were limp, unappetizing things.

    Jill



  7. #7
    Nunya Bidnits Guest

    Default Re: School Lunch.........another reason Congress is at 9 percent approval.

    spamtrap1888 <[email protected]> wrote:
    > On Nov 15, 9:41 am, ImStillMags <sitara8...@gmail.com> wrote:
    >> Congress wants to keep pizza and french fries on school lunch lines,
    >> fighting back against an Obama administration proposal to make school
    >> lunches healthier.
    >>
    >> The final version of a spending bill released late Monday would
    >> unravel school lunch standards the Agriculture Department proposed
    >> earlier this year, which included limiting the use of potatoes on the
    >> lunch line and delaying limits on sodium and delaying a requirement
    >> to boost whole grains.
    >>
    >> The bill also would allow tomato paste on pizzas to be counted as a
    >> vegetable, as it is now. USDA had wanted to prevent that.
    >>
    >> Food companies that produce frozen pizzas for schools, the salt
    >> industry and potato growers requested the changes, and some
    >> conservatives in Congress say the federal government shouldn't be
    >> telling children what to eat.
    >>
    >> (snip)
    >>
    >> The school lunch proposal was based on 2009 recommendations by the
    >> Institute of Medicine, the health arm of the National Academy of
    >> Sciences. Agriculture Secretary Tom Vilsack said they were needed to
    >> reduce childhood obesity and future health care costs.
    >>
    >> Nutrition advocate Margo Wootan of the Center for Science in the
    >> Public Interest said Congress's proposed changes will keep schools
    >> from serving a wider array of vegetables. Children already get enough
    >> pizza and potatoes, she says. It would also slow efforts to make
    >> pizzas - a longtime standby on school lunch lines - healthier, with
    >> whole grain crusts and lower levels of sodium.
    >>
    >> "They are making sure that two of the biggest problems in the school
    >> lunch program, pizza and french fries, are untouched," she said.
    >>
    >> A group of retired generals advocating for healthier school lunches
    >> also criticized the spending bill. The group, called Mission:
    >> Readiness has called poor nutrition in school lunches a national
    >> security issue because obesity is the leading medical disqualifier
    >> for military service.
    >>
    >> "We are outraged that Congress is seriously considering language that
    >> would effectively categorize pizza as a vegetable in the school lunch
    >> program," Amy Dawson Taggart, the director of the group, said in a
    >> letter to members of Congress before the final plan was released. "It
    >> doesn't take an advanced degree in nutrition to call this a national
    >> disgrace."
    >>

    >
    > The most important thing about school lunch is making it palatable to
    > kids. If the kids won't eat it then it's a total waste, no matter how
    > healthy it sounds to adult nutritionists. If kids like pizza,
    > concentrate on making pizza more nutritious without taking away what
    > makes pizza appeal to kids.


    Which would include using whole grain in the crust, for example, which
    according to the article is one of the improvements the corporate whores in
    Congress are trying to prevent.

    MartyB



  8. #8
    spamtrap1888 Guest

    Default Re: School Lunch.........another reason Congress is at 9 percent approval.

    On Nov 15, 1:24*pm, "Nunya Bidnits" <nunyabidn...@eternal-
    september.invalid> wrote:
    > spamtrap1888 <spamtrap1...@gmail.com> wrote:
    > > On Nov 15, 9:41 am, ImStillMags <sitara8...@gmail.com> wrote:
    > >> Congress wants to keep pizza and french fries on school lunch lines,
    > >> fighting back against an Obama administration proposal to make school
    > >> lunches healthier.

    >
    > >> The final version of a spending bill released late Monday would
    > >> unravel school lunch standards the Agriculture Department proposed
    > >> earlier this year, which included limiting the use of potatoes on the
    > >> lunch line and delaying limits on sodium and delaying a requirement
    > >> to boost whole grains.

    >
    > >> The bill also would allow tomato paste on pizzas to be counted as a
    > >> vegetable, as it is now. USDA had wanted to prevent that.

    >
    > >> Food companies that produce frozen pizzas for schools, the salt
    > >> industry and potato growers requested the changes, and some
    > >> conservatives in Congress say the federal government shouldn't be
    > >> telling children what to eat.

    >
    > >> (snip)

    >
    > >> The school lunch proposal was based on 2009 recommendations by the
    > >> Institute of Medicine, the health arm of the National Academy of
    > >> Sciences. Agriculture Secretary Tom Vilsack said they were needed to
    > >> reduce childhood obesity and future health care costs.

    >
    > >> Nutrition advocate Margo Wootan of the Center for Science in the
    > >> Public Interest said Congress's proposed changes will keep schools
    > >> from serving a wider array of vegetables. Children already get enough
    > >> pizza and potatoes, she says. It would also slow efforts to make
    > >> pizzas - a longtime standby on school lunch lines - healthier, with
    > >> whole grain crusts and lower levels of sodium.

    >
    > >> "They are making sure that two of the biggest problems in the school
    > >> lunch program, pizza and french fries, are untouched," she said.

    >
    > >> A group of retired generals advocating for healthier school lunches
    > >> also criticized the spending bill. The group, called Mission:
    > >> Readiness has called poor nutrition in school lunches a national
    > >> security issue because obesity is the leading medical disqualifier
    > >> for military service.

    >
    > >> "We are outraged that Congress is seriously considering language that
    > >> would effectively categorize pizza as a vegetable in the school lunch
    > >> program," Amy Dawson Taggart, the director of the group, said in a
    > >> letter to members of Congress before the final plan was released. "It
    > >> doesn't take an advanced degree in nutrition to call this a national
    > >> disgrace."

    >
    > > The most important thing about school lunch is making it palatable to
    > > kids. If the kids won't eat it then it's a total waste, no matter how
    > > healthy it sounds to adult nutritionists. If kids like pizza,
    > > concentrate on making pizza more nutritious without taking away what
    > > makes pizza appeal to kids.

    >
    > Which would include using whole grain in the crust, for example, which
    > according to the article is one of the improvements the corporate whores in
    > Congress are trying to prevent.


    Kids do not seek out whole grain foods, in my experience. Plus, the
    nutritional value of whole grains is dubious. Kids need to eat more
    vegetables, not more bran and wheat germ. Whole grains are more likely
    to turn rancid in storage, as well.


  9. #9
    sf Guest

    Default Re: School Lunch.........another reason Congress is at 9 percent approval.

    On Tue, 15 Nov 2011 15:55:08 -0500, "jmcquown" <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    >
    > "sf" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news[email protected]..
    > > On Tue, 15 Nov 2011 09:41:19 -0800 (PST), ImStillMags
    > > <[email protected]> wrote:
    > >
    > >> Congress wants to keep pizza and french fries on school lunch lines,
    > >> fighting back against an Obama administration proposal to make school
    > >> lunches healthier.

    > >
    > > It figures.
    > >

    > I'm not for government control about what kids eat (I took PB sandwiches for
    > lunch all the time; apparently I could have exacerbated some kids' allergy
    > by eating it). But I don't see why making lunches healthier is a bad thing.
    > I'd still make a slice of pizza available if that's what the parents want.
    > IIRC (and it was a long time ago) the pizza was about as tasteless as
    > cardboard and the french fries were limp, unappetizing things.
    >

    Some parents are you jacked up on crack that there's no food in the
    house. The government isn't providing a fine dining experience or
    even a mediocre one. Just food for kids that would otherwise go
    hungry.

    --
    All you need is love. But a little chocolate now and then doesn't hurt.

  10. #10
    Brooklyn1 Guest

    Default Re: School Lunch.........another reason Congress is at 9 percent approval.

    On Tue, 15 Nov 2011 09:41:19 -0800 (PST), ImStillMags
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    >
    >Congress wants to keep pizza and french fries on school lunch lines,
    >fighting back against an Obama administration proposal to make school
    >lunches healthier.


    The obamas are the last people on the planet to preach health, he
    smokes like a chimney and she has an ass that turns the corner after
    her.

    Pizza happens to be a nutritious food and the portion of fries in
    school cafeterias is miniscule, the pizza portion is smaller than
    you'd get at a pizzaria... and those items are not served every day.
    And there are many other choices from the various food catagories;
    fruit, veggies, milk, yogurt, cereals, etc. There is no point feeding
    children foods that they won't eat. I've been to the school cafeteria
    in my town, I think the menu is quite healthful and varied and most
    kids like the foods served. It's a lunchroom, it's not supposed to be
    the kid's primary food source. The obese kids get that way from their
    lifestyle at home, not from the school cafeteria.

  11. #11
    Brooklyn1 Guest

    Default Re: School Lunch.........another reason Congress is at 9 percent approval.

    On Tue, 15 Nov 2011 10:38:15 -0800, Mark Thorson <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    >ImStillMags wrote:
    >>
    >> Food companies that produce frozen pizzas for schools, the salt
    >> industry and potato growers requested the changes, and some
    >> conservatives in Congress say the federal government shouldn't be
    >> telling children what to eat.

    >
    >Baloney! The salt industry could care less what's
    >served for lunch at schools. Salt for human consumption
    >is a tiny fraction of their business.


    Boloney! The food served at school cafeterias contains no more salt
    than hospital food, in fact much of it is hospital food.

  12. #12
    Nunya Bidnits Guest

    Default Re: School Lunch.........another reason Congress is at 9 percent approval.

    spamtrap1888 <[email protected]> wrote:
    > On Nov 15, 1:24 pm, "Nunya Bidnits" <nunyabidn...@eternal-
    > september.invalid> wrote:
    >> spamtrap1888 <spamtrap1...@gmail.com> wrote:
    >>> On Nov 15, 9:41 am, ImStillMags <sitara8...@gmail.com> wrote:
    >>>> Congress wants to keep pizza and french fries on school lunch
    >>>> lines, fighting back against an Obama administration proposal to
    >>>> make school lunches healthier.

    >>
    >>>> The final version of a spending bill released late Monday would
    >>>> unravel school lunch standards the Agriculture Department proposed
    >>>> earlier this year, which included limiting the use of potatoes on
    >>>> the lunch line and delaying limits on sodium and delaying a
    >>>> requirement to boost whole grains.

    >>
    >>>> The bill also would allow tomato paste on pizzas to be counted as a
    >>>> vegetable, as it is now. USDA had wanted to prevent that.

    >>
    >>>> Food companies that produce frozen pizzas for schools, the salt
    >>>> industry and potato growers requested the changes, and some
    >>>> conservatives in Congress say the federal government shouldn't be
    >>>> telling children what to eat.

    >>
    >>>> (snip)

    >>
    >>>> The school lunch proposal was based on 2009 recommendations by the
    >>>> Institute of Medicine, the health arm of the National Academy of
    >>>> Sciences. Agriculture Secretary Tom Vilsack said they were needed
    >>>> to reduce childhood obesity and future health care costs.

    >>
    >>>> Nutrition advocate Margo Wootan of the Center for Science in the
    >>>> Public Interest said Congress's proposed changes will keep schools
    >>>> from serving a wider array of vegetables. Children already get
    >>>> enough pizza and potatoes, she says. It would also slow efforts to
    >>>> make pizzas - a longtime standby on school lunch lines -
    >>>> healthier, with whole grain crusts and lower levels of sodium.

    >>
    >>>> "They are making sure that two of the biggest problems in the
    >>>> school lunch program, pizza and french fries, are untouched," she
    >>>> said.

    >>
    >>>> A group of retired generals advocating for healthier school lunches
    >>>> also criticized the spending bill. The group, called Mission:
    >>>> Readiness has called poor nutrition in school lunches a national
    >>>> security issue because obesity is the leading medical disqualifier
    >>>> for military service.

    >>
    >>>> "We are outraged that Congress is seriously considering language
    >>>> that would effectively categorize pizza as a vegetable in the
    >>>> school lunch program," Amy Dawson Taggart, the director of the
    >>>> group, said in a letter to members of Congress before the final
    >>>> plan was released. "It doesn't take an advanced degree in
    >>>> nutrition to call this a national disgrace."

    >>
    >>> The most important thing about school lunch is making it palatable
    >>> to kids. If the kids won't eat it then it's a total waste, no
    >>> matter how healthy it sounds to adult nutritionists. If kids like
    >>> pizza, concentrate on making pizza more nutritious without taking
    >>> away what makes pizza appeal to kids.

    >>
    >> Which would include using whole grain in the crust, for example,
    >> which according to the article is one of the improvements the
    >> corporate whores in Congress are trying to prevent.

    >
    > Kids do not seek out whole grain foods, in my experience. Plus, the
    > nutritional value of whole grains is dubious. Kids need to eat more
    > vegetables, not more bran and wheat germ. Whole grains are more likely
    > to turn rancid in storage, as well.


    You missed the point. You put it in pizza, kids will eat it. If it's pizza,
    they don't care. They eat.

    The notion that there is no reason to feed whole grains to kids is just
    plain BS. Highly processed white flour foods are one of the reasons for the
    increase in juvenile obesity and diabetes. Nobody said they should be served
    only whole grains. All they wanted to do was increase the amount of whole
    grains they were recieving in school lunches, which is opposed by the
    corporate whores in congress in order to please their masters.

    On the storage thing, you've apparently jumped to a totally different
    conversation.

    MartyB



  13. #13
    spamtrap1888 Guest

    Default Re: School Lunch.........another reason Congress is at 9 percent approval.

    On Nov 15, 2:33*pm, "Nunya Bidnits" <nunyabidn...@eternal-
    september.invalid> wrote:
    > spamtrap1888 <spamtrap1...@gmail.com> wrote:
    > > On Nov 15, 1:24 pm, "Nunya Bidnits" <nunyabidn...@eternal-
    > > september.invalid> wrote:
    > >> spamtrap1888 <spamtrap1...@gmail.com> wrote:
    > >>> On Nov 15, 9:41 am, ImStillMags <sitara8...@gmail.com> wrote:
    > >>>> Congress wants to keep pizza and french fries on school lunch
    > >>>> lines, fighting back against an Obama administration proposal to
    > >>>> make school lunches healthier.

    >
    > >>>> The final version of a spending bill released late Monday would
    > >>>> unravel school lunch standards the Agriculture Department proposed
    > >>>> earlier this year, which included limiting the use of potatoes on
    > >>>> the lunch line and delaying limits on sodium and delaying a
    > >>>> requirement to boost whole grains.

    >
    > >>>> The bill also would allow tomato paste on pizzas to be counted as a
    > >>>> vegetable, as it is now. USDA had wanted to prevent that.

    >
    > >>>> Food companies that produce frozen pizzas for schools, the salt
    > >>>> industry and potato growers requested the changes, and some
    > >>>> conservatives in Congress say the federal government shouldn't be
    > >>>> telling children what to eat.

    >
    > >>>> (snip)

    >
    > >>>> The school lunch proposal was based on 2009 recommendations by the
    > >>>> Institute of Medicine, the health arm of the National Academy of
    > >>>> Sciences. Agriculture Secretary Tom Vilsack said they were needed
    > >>>> to reduce childhood obesity and future health care costs.

    >
    > >>>> Nutrition advocate Margo Wootan of the Center for Science in the
    > >>>> Public Interest said Congress's proposed changes will keep schools
    > >>>> from serving a wider array of vegetables. Children already get
    > >>>> enough pizza and potatoes, she says. It would also slow efforts to
    > >>>> make pizzas - a longtime standby on school lunch lines -
    > >>>> healthier, with whole grain crusts and lower levels of sodium.

    >
    > >>>> "They are making sure that two of the biggest problems in the
    > >>>> school lunch program, pizza and french fries, are untouched," she
    > >>>> said.

    >
    > >>>> A group of retired generals advocating for healthier school lunches
    > >>>> also criticized the spending bill. The group, called Mission:
    > >>>> Readiness has called poor nutrition in school lunches a national
    > >>>> security issue because obesity is the leading medical disqualifier
    > >>>> for military service.

    >
    > >>>> "We are outraged that Congress is seriously considering language
    > >>>> that would effectively categorize pizza as a vegetable in the
    > >>>> school lunch program," Amy Dawson Taggart, the director of the
    > >>>> group, said in a letter to members of Congress before the final
    > >>>> plan was released. "It doesn't take an advanced degree in
    > >>>> nutrition to call this a national disgrace."

    >
    > >>> The most important thing about school lunch is making it palatable
    > >>> to kids. If the kids won't eat it then it's a total waste, no
    > >>> matter how healthy it sounds to adult nutritionists. If kids like
    > >>> pizza, concentrate on making pizza more nutritious without taking
    > >>> away what makes pizza appeal to kids.

    >
    > >> Which would include using whole grain in the crust, for example,
    > >> which according to the article is one of the improvements the
    > >> corporate whores in Congress are trying to prevent.

    >
    > > Kids do not seek out whole grain foods, in my experience. Plus, the
    > > nutritional value of whole grains is dubious. *Kids need to eat more
    > > vegetables, not more bran and wheat germ. Whole grains are more likely
    > > to turn rancid in storage, as well.

    >
    > You missed the point. You put it in pizza, kids will eat it. If it's pizza,
    > they don't care. They eat.


    If it doesn't look like pizza (brown crust) or taste like pizza,
    they're not gonna eat. First get Domino's and Pizza Hut to switch to
    whole wheat crust.

    >
    > The notion that there is no reason to feed whole grains to kids is just
    > plain BS.


    Kids aren't livestock, the only critters that can process whole
    grains.

    >Highly processed white flour foods are one of the reasons for the
    > increase in juvenile obesity and diabetes. Nobody said they should be served
    > only whole grains. All they wanted to do was increase the amount of whole
    > grains they were recieving in school lunches, which is opposed by the
    > corporate whores in congress in order to please their masters.


    Whole wheat flour contains all the evil of white flour, plus bran and
    wheat germ. Explain the benefits of adding wheat germ and bran to
    children's diets, then I'll buy into your conspiracy theory.

    >
    > On the storage thing, you've apparently jumped to a totally different
    > conversation.
    >


    Insisting on whole grains will lead to a lot of wasted food and thus
    increase the cost of school lunch without benefiting anyone but the
    whole grain providers:

    Kids won't eat rancid food, i.e. food made from rancid flour. Food
    that turns rancid must be thrown away -- a direct waste of money.
    White flour can be kept without refrigeration a lot longer than can
    whole wheat flour. Now we have to start refrigerating flour for dough,
    or mill wheatberries onsite. Either alternative will mean greater
    expense than the current system.

    There has to be a compelling reason to switch to whole grains that
    would justify that added expense.

  14. #14
    Nunya Bidnits Guest

    Default Re: School Lunch.........another reason Congress is at 9 percent approval.

    spamtrap1888 <[email protected]> wrote:
    > On Nov 15, 2:33 pm, "Nunya Bidnits" <nunyabidn...@eternal-
    > september.invalid> wrote:
    >> spamtrap1888 <spamtrap1...@gmail.com> wrote:
    >>> On Nov 15, 1:24 pm, "Nunya Bidnits" <nunyabidn...@eternal-
    >>> september.invalid> wrote:
    >>>> spamtrap1888 <spamtrap1...@gmail.com> wrote:
    >>>>> On Nov 15, 9:41 am, ImStillMags <sitara8...@gmail.com> wrote:
    >>>>>> Congress wants to keep pizza and french fries on school lunch
    >>>>>> lines, fighting back against an Obama administration proposal to
    >>>>>> make school lunches healthier.

    >>
    >>>>>> The final version of a spending bill released late Monday would
    >>>>>> unravel school lunch standards the Agriculture Department
    >>>>>> proposed earlier this year, which included limiting the use of
    >>>>>> potatoes on the lunch line and delaying limits on sodium and
    >>>>>> delaying a requirement to boost whole grains.

    >>
    >>>>>> The bill also would allow tomato paste on pizzas to be counted
    >>>>>> as a vegetable, as it is now. USDA had wanted to prevent that.

    >>
    >>>>>> Food companies that produce frozen pizzas for schools, the salt
    >>>>>> industry and potato growers requested the changes, and some
    >>>>>> conservatives in Congress say the federal government shouldn't be
    >>>>>> telling children what to eat.

    >>
    >>>>>> (snip)

    >>
    >>>>>> The school lunch proposal was based on 2009 recommendations by
    >>>>>> the Institute of Medicine, the health arm of the National
    >>>>>> Academy of Sciences. Agriculture Secretary Tom Vilsack said they
    >>>>>> were needed to reduce childhood obesity and future health care
    >>>>>> costs.

    >>
    >>>>>> Nutrition advocate Margo Wootan of the Center for Science in the
    >>>>>> Public Interest said Congress's proposed changes will keep
    >>>>>> schools from serving a wider array of vegetables. Children
    >>>>>> already get enough pizza and potatoes, she says. It would also
    >>>>>> slow efforts to make pizzas - a longtime standby on school lunch
    >>>>>> lines - healthier, with whole grain crusts and lower levels of
    >>>>>> sodium.

    >>
    >>>>>> "They are making sure that two of the biggest problems in the
    >>>>>> school lunch program, pizza and french fries, are untouched," she
    >>>>>> said.

    >>
    >>>>>> A group of retired generals advocating for healthier school
    >>>>>> lunches also criticized the spending bill. The group, called
    >>>>>> Mission: Readiness has called poor nutrition in school lunches a
    >>>>>> national security issue because obesity is the leading medical
    >>>>>> disqualifier for military service.

    >>
    >>>>>> "We are outraged that Congress is seriously considering language
    >>>>>> that would effectively categorize pizza as a vegetable in the
    >>>>>> school lunch program," Amy Dawson Taggart, the director of the
    >>>>>> group, said in a letter to members of Congress before the final
    >>>>>> plan was released. "It doesn't take an advanced degree in
    >>>>>> nutrition to call this a national disgrace."

    >>
    >>>>> The most important thing about school lunch is making it palatable
    >>>>> to kids. If the kids won't eat it then it's a total waste, no
    >>>>> matter how healthy it sounds to adult nutritionists. If kids like
    >>>>> pizza, concentrate on making pizza more nutritious without taking
    >>>>> away what makes pizza appeal to kids.

    >>
    >>>> Which would include using whole grain in the crust, for example,
    >>>> which according to the article is one of the improvements the
    >>>> corporate whores in Congress are trying to prevent.

    >>
    >>> Kids do not seek out whole grain foods, in my experience. Plus, the
    >>> nutritional value of whole grains is dubious. Kids need to eat more
    >>> vegetables, not more bran and wheat germ. Whole grains are more
    >>> likely to turn rancid in storage, as well.

    >>
    >> You missed the point. You put it in pizza, kids will eat it. If it's
    >> pizza, they don't care. They eat.

    >
    > If it doesn't look like pizza (brown crust) or taste like pizza,
    > they're not gonna eat. First get Domino's and Pizza Hut to switch to
    > whole wheat crust.
    >
    >>
    >> The notion that there is no reason to feed whole grains to kids is
    >> just plain BS.

    >
    > Kids aren't livestock, the only critters that can process whole
    > grains.
    >
    >> Highly processed white flour foods are one of the reasons for the
    >> increase in juvenile obesity and diabetes. Nobody said they should
    >> be served only whole grains. All they wanted to do was increase the
    >> amount of whole grains they were recieving in school lunches, which
    >> is opposed by the corporate whores in congress in order to please
    >> their masters.

    >
    > Whole wheat flour contains all the evil of white flour, plus bran and
    > wheat germ. Explain the benefits of adding wheat germ and bran to
    > children's diets, then I'll buy into your conspiracy theory.


    No, I'm not getting conned into wasting my time explaining to someone who is
    determined to ignore science and fact in favor of what they want to believe.
    There is plenty of evidence which you can easily find on your onw, and BTW
    it's not MY theory.

    >
    >>
    >> On the storage thing, you've apparently jumped to a totally different
    >> conversation.
    >>

    >
    > Insisting on whole grains will lead to a lot of wasted food and thus
    > increase the cost of school lunch without benefiting anyone but the
    > whole grain providers:


    In other words, keeping the massive corporate processsors of grains for low
    fiber, high carb foods happy takes precedence over good food and common
    sense. And WTF are whole grain providers? That's just gratuitous bull****
    bait, made up to try to save a lost point. ALL grain starts off as whole
    grain. Get a frickin clue.

    >
    > Kids won't eat rancid food, i.e. food made from rancid flour.


    You're kidding, right? So now all foods with whole grains served to kids are
    going to be rancid? Excuse me, but you are making yourself look like a total
    moron.

    >Food
    > that turns rancid must be thrown away -- a direct waste of money.
    > White flour can be kept without refrigeration a lot longer than can
    > whole wheat flour. Now we have to start refrigerating flour for dough,
    > or mill wheatberries onsite. Either alternative will mean greater
    > expense than the current system.


    That's a massive crock of foolbait bull****.

    >
    > There has to be a compelling reason to switch to whole grains that
    > would justify that added expense.


    Compelling, beyond reducing childhood obesity and diabetes, and promoting
    good habits of consuming a high fiber diet which results in better overall
    average health throughout the lifetime of the average person? You don't get
    that? No ****?

    I'm done, this is just stupid. Go find someone dumb to argue with, you'll
    have better luck.

    MartyB



  15. #15
    spamtrap1888 Guest

    Default Re: School Lunch.........another reason Congress is at 9 percent approval.

    On Nov 15, 2:55*pm, "Nunya Bidnits" <nunyabidn...@eternal-
    september.invalid> wrote:
    > spamtrap1888 <spamtrap1...@gmail.com> wrote:
    > > On Nov 15, 2:33 pm, "Nunya Bidnits" <nunyabidn...@eternal-
    > > september.invalid> wrote:
    > >> spamtrap1888 <spamtrap1...@gmail.com> wrote:
    > >>> On Nov 15, 1:24 pm, "Nunya Bidnits" <nunyabidn...@eternal-
    > >>> september.invalid> wrote:
    > >>>> spamtrap1888 <spamtrap1...@gmail.com> wrote:
    > >>>>> On Nov 15, 9:41 am, ImStillMags <sitara8...@gmail.com> wrote:
    > >>>>>> Congress wants to keep pizza and french fries on school lunch
    > >>>>>> lines, fighting back against an Obama administration proposal to
    > >>>>>> make school lunches healthier.

    >
    > >>>>>> The final version of a spending bill released late Monday would
    > >>>>>> unravel school lunch standards the Agriculture Department
    > >>>>>> proposed earlier this year, which included limiting the use of
    > >>>>>> potatoes on the lunch line and delaying limits on sodium and
    > >>>>>> delaying a requirement to boost whole grains.

    >
    > >>>>>> The bill also would allow tomato paste on pizzas to be counted
    > >>>>>> as a vegetable, as it is now. USDA had wanted to prevent that.

    >
    > >>>>>> Food companies that produce frozen pizzas for schools, the salt
    > >>>>>> industry and potato growers requested the changes, and some
    > >>>>>> conservatives in Congress say the federal government shouldn't be
    > >>>>>> telling children what to eat.

    >
    > >>>>>> (snip)

    >
    > >>>>>> The school lunch proposal was based on 2009 recommendations by
    > >>>>>> the Institute of Medicine, the health arm of the National
    > >>>>>> Academy of Sciences. Agriculture Secretary Tom Vilsack said they
    > >>>>>> were needed to reduce childhood obesity and future health care
    > >>>>>> costs.

    >
    > >>>>>> Nutrition advocate Margo Wootan of the Center for Science in the
    > >>>>>> Public Interest said Congress's proposed changes will keep
    > >>>>>> schools from serving a wider array of vegetables. Children
    > >>>>>> already get enough pizza and potatoes, she says. It would also
    > >>>>>> slow efforts to make pizzas - a longtime standby on school lunch
    > >>>>>> lines - healthier, with whole grain crusts and lower levels of
    > >>>>>> sodium.

    >
    > >>>>>> "They are making sure that two of the biggest problems in the
    > >>>>>> school lunch program, pizza and french fries, are untouched," she
    > >>>>>> said.

    >
    > >>>>>> A group of retired generals advocating for healthier school
    > >>>>>> lunches also criticized the spending bill. The group, called
    > >>>>>> Mission: Readiness has called poor nutrition in school lunches a
    > >>>>>> national security issue because obesity is the leading medical
    > >>>>>> disqualifier for military service.

    >
    > >>>>>> "We are outraged that Congress is seriously considering language
    > >>>>>> that would effectively categorize pizza as a vegetable in the
    > >>>>>> school lunch program," Amy Dawson Taggart, the director of the
    > >>>>>> group, said in a letter to members of Congress before the final
    > >>>>>> plan was released. "It doesn't take an advanced degree in
    > >>>>>> nutrition to call this a national disgrace."

    >
    > >>>>> The most important thing about school lunch is making it palatable
    > >>>>> to kids. If the kids won't eat it then it's a total waste, no
    > >>>>> matter how healthy it sounds to adult nutritionists. If kids like
    > >>>>> pizza, concentrate on making pizza more nutritious without taking
    > >>>>> away what makes pizza appeal to kids.

    >
    > >>>> Which would include using whole grain in the crust, for example,
    > >>>> which according to the article is one of the improvements the
    > >>>> corporate whores in Congress are trying to prevent.

    >
    > >>> Kids do not seek out whole grain foods, in my experience. Plus, the
    > >>> nutritional value of whole grains is dubious. Kids need to eat more
    > >>> vegetables, not more bran and wheat germ. Whole grains are more
    > >>> likely to turn rancid in storage, as well.

    >
    > >> You missed the point. You put it in pizza, kids will eat it. If it's
    > >> pizza, they don't care. They eat.

    >
    > > If it doesn't look like pizza (brown crust) or taste like pizza,
    > > they're not gonna eat. First get Domino's and Pizza Hut to switch to
    > > whole wheat crust.

    >
    > >> The notion that there is no reason to feed whole grains to kids is
    > >> just plain BS.

    >
    > > Kids aren't livestock, the only critters that can process whole
    > > grains.

    >
    > >> Highly processed white flour foods are one of the reasons for the
    > >> increase in juvenile obesity and diabetes. Nobody said they should
    > >> be served only whole grains. All they wanted to do was increase the
    > >> amount of whole grains they were recieving in school lunches, which
    > >> is opposed by the corporate whores in congress in order to please
    > >> their masters.

    >
    > > Whole wheat flour contains all the evil of white flour, plus bran and
    > > wheat germ. Explain the benefits of adding wheat germ and bran to
    > > children's diets, then I'll buy into your conspiracy theory.

    >
    > No, I'm not getting conned into wasting my time explaining to someone whois
    > determined to ignore science and fact in favor of what they want to believe.
    > There is plenty of evidence which you can easily find on your onw, and BTW
    > it's not MY theory.


    You pull facts out of your ass and expect them to be taken at face
    value? I'M supposed to find facts to back up your empty assertions?

    You suck at arguing.

    >
    > >> On the storage thing, you've apparently jumped to a totally different
    > >> conversation.

    >
    > > Insisting on whole grains will lead to a lot of wasted food and thus
    > > increase the cost of school lunch without benefiting anyone but the
    > > whole grain providers:

    >
    > In other words, keeping the massive corporate processsors of grains for low
    > fiber, high carb foods happy takes precedence over good food and common
    > sense. And WTF are whole grain providers? That's just gratuitous bull****
    > bait, made up to try to save a lost point. ALL grain starts off as whole
    > grain. Get a frickin clue.
    >
    >
    >
    > > Kids won't eat rancid food, i.e. food made from rancid flour.

    >
    > You're kidding, right? So now all foods with whole grains served to kids are
    > going to be rancid? Excuse me, but you are making yourself look like a total
    > moron.
    >
    > >Food
    > > that turns rancid must be thrown away -- a direct waste of money.
    > > White flour can be kept without refrigeration a lot longer than can
    > > whole wheat flour. Now we have to start refrigerating flour for dough,
    > > or mill wheatberries onsite. Either alternative will mean greater
    > > expense than the current system.

    >
    > That's a massive crock of foolbait bull****.


    Translation: I have no counter argument.

    >
    >
    >
    > > There has to be a compelling reason to switch to whole grains that
    > > would justify that added expense.

    >
    > Compelling, beyond reducing childhood obesity and diabetes, and promoting
    > good habits of consuming a high fiber diet which results in better overall
    > average health throughout the lifetime of the average person? You don't get
    > that? No ****?


    Americans have been eating white flour goods since World War I, but
    the epidemic of diabetes is happening only now. Why the 90 year time
    lag? People eat less bread than they ever did -- my skinny great uncle
    was remarkable in our family for eating two slices of white bread at
    every meal. He is the longest lived of the siblings at 94 this year.

    Don't confuse cause and effect. Just because diabetics should avoid
    white flour does not mean that white flour causes diabetes.

    > I'm done, this is just stupid. Go find someone dumb to argue with, you'll
    > have better luck.


    I have.

  16. #16
    Doug Freyburger Guest

    Default Re: School Lunch.........another reason Congress is at 9 percent approval.

    spamtrap1888 wrote:
    > "Nunya Bidnits" <nunyabidn...@eternal-september.invalid> wrote:
    >> spamtrap1888 <spamtrap1...@gmail.com> wrote:
    >> > On Nov 15, 9:41 am, ImStillMags <sitara8...@gmail.com> wrote:

    >
    >> Which would include using whole grain in the crust, for example, which
    >> according to the article is one of the improvements the corporate whores in
    >> Congress are trying to prevent.


    When I read the labels on bread marked "Whole Wheat" the whole grain is
    often at levels that I would describe as flavoring. I think the crust
    needs to be made "of" whole grain not "using" whole grain. When I've
    had pizza crust made from whole wheat I loved the additional flavor.
    (Being wheat intolerant it also made my symptoms more obvious but not
    that many kids are wheat intolerant. The whole wheat crust was my "try
    it a second to make sure it's that one ingredient not something else in
    the meal" experiment food so that was a long time ago).

    > Kids do not seek out whole grain foods, in my experience.


    Kids don't seek out any food that's not junk. Part of the deal with
    school is the place is supposed to teach kids stuff. Including what to
    eat.

    > Plus, the nutritional value of whole grains is dubious.


    Grain is just another vegitable. It's position as a "food group" or as
    the "base of the food pyramid" is not justified in that sense. There is
    no advantage to replacing a serving of carrots with a serving of grain
    except price.

    > Kids need to eat more
    > vegetables, not more bran and wheat germ.


    True of most people not just kids.

    > Whole grains are more likely to turn rancid in storage, as well.


    Which is why it's used. Price includes storage.

  17. #17
    Bryan Guest

    Default Re: School Lunch.........another reason Congress is at 9 percent approval.

    On Nov 15, 12:38*pm, Mark Thorson <nos...@sonic.net> wrote:
    > ImStillMags wrote:
    >
    > > Food companies that produce frozen pizzas for schools, the salt
    > > industry and potato growers requested the changes, and some
    > > conservatives in Congress say the federal government shouldn't be
    > > telling children what to eat.

    >
    > Baloney! *The salt industry could care less what's
    > served for lunch at schools. *Salt for human consumption
    > is a tiny fraction of their business. *That would be
    > like the mercury industry caring about whether mercury
    > compounds are used in vaccines.


    Yeah, that was pretty absurd. The salt industry. It was the potato
    growers but also the process food industry like Kraft and ConAgra.
    One more example of Obama, good, Congressional Republicans, bad.

    --Bryan

  18. #18
    Nunya Bidnits Guest

    Default Re: School Lunch.........another reason Congress is at 9 percent approval.

    spamtrap1888 <[email protected]> wrote:
    > On Nov 15, 2:55 pm, "Nunya Bidnits" <nunyabidn...@eternal-
    > september.invalid> wrote:
    >> spamtrap1888 <spamtrap1...@gmail.com> wrote:
    >>> On Nov 15, 2:33 pm, "Nunya Bidnits" <nunyabidn...@eternal-
    >>> september.invalid> wrote:
    >>>> spamtrap1888 <spamtrap1...@gmail.com> wrote:
    >>>>> On Nov 15, 1:24 pm, "Nunya Bidnits" <nunyabidn...@eternal-
    >>>>> september.invalid> wrote:
    >>>>>> spamtrap1888 <spamtrap1...@gmail.com> wrote:
    >>>>>>> On Nov 15, 9:41 am, ImStillMags <sitara8...@gmail.com> wrote:
    >>>>>>>> Congress wants to keep pizza and french fries on school lunch
    >>>>>>>> lines, fighting back against an Obama administration proposal
    >>>>>>>> to make school lunches healthier.

    >>
    >>>>>>>> The final version of a spending bill released late Monday would
    >>>>>>>> unravel school lunch standards the Agriculture Department
    >>>>>>>> proposed earlier this year, which included limiting the use of
    >>>>>>>> potatoes on the lunch line and delaying limits on sodium and
    >>>>>>>> delaying a requirement to boost whole grains.

    >>
    >>>>>>>> The bill also would allow tomato paste on pizzas to be counted
    >>>>>>>> as a vegetable, as it is now. USDA had wanted to prevent that.

    >>
    >>>>>>>> Food companies that produce frozen pizzas for schools, the salt
    >>>>>>>> industry and potato growers requested the changes, and some
    >>>>>>>> conservatives in Congress say the federal government shouldn't
    >>>>>>>> be telling children what to eat.

    >>
    >>>>>>>> (snip)

    >>
    >>>>>>>> The school lunch proposal was based on 2009 recommendations by
    >>>>>>>> the Institute of Medicine, the health arm of the National
    >>>>>>>> Academy of Sciences. Agriculture Secretary Tom Vilsack said
    >>>>>>>> they were needed to reduce childhood obesity and future health
    >>>>>>>> care costs.

    >>
    >>>>>>>> Nutrition advocate Margo Wootan of the Center for Science in
    >>>>>>>> the Public Interest said Congress's proposed changes will keep
    >>>>>>>> schools from serving a wider array of vegetables. Children
    >>>>>>>> already get enough pizza and potatoes, she says. It would also
    >>>>>>>> slow efforts to make pizzas - a longtime standby on school
    >>>>>>>> lunch lines - healthier, with whole grain crusts and lower
    >>>>>>>> levels of sodium.

    >>
    >>>>>>>> "They are making sure that two of the biggest problems in the
    >>>>>>>> school lunch program, pizza and french fries, are untouched,"
    >>>>>>>> she said.

    >>
    >>>>>>>> A group of retired generals advocating for healthier school
    >>>>>>>> lunches also criticized the spending bill. The group, called
    >>>>>>>> Mission: Readiness has called poor nutrition in school lunches
    >>>>>>>> a national security issue because obesity is the leading
    >>>>>>>> medical disqualifier for military service.

    >>
    >>>>>>>> "We are outraged that Congress is seriously considering
    >>>>>>>> language that would effectively categorize pizza as a
    >>>>>>>> vegetable in the school lunch program," Amy Dawson Taggart,
    >>>>>>>> the director of the group, said in a letter to members of
    >>>>>>>> Congress before the final plan was released. "It doesn't take
    >>>>>>>> an advanced degree in nutrition to call this a national
    >>>>>>>> disgrace."

    >>
    >>>>>>> The most important thing about school lunch is making it
    >>>>>>> palatable to kids. If the kids won't eat it then it's a total
    >>>>>>> waste, no matter how healthy it sounds to adult nutritionists.
    >>>>>>> If kids like pizza, concentrate on making pizza more nutritious
    >>>>>>> without taking away what makes pizza appeal to kids.

    >>
    >>>>>> Which would include using whole grain in the crust, for example,
    >>>>>> which according to the article is one of the improvements the
    >>>>>> corporate whores in Congress are trying to prevent.

    >>
    >>>>> Kids do not seek out whole grain foods, in my experience. Plus,
    >>>>> the nutritional value of whole grains is dubious. Kids need to
    >>>>> eat more vegetables, not more bran and wheat germ. Whole grains
    >>>>> are more likely to turn rancid in storage, as well.

    >>
    >>>> You missed the point. You put it in pizza, kids will eat it. If
    >>>> it's pizza, they don't care. They eat.

    >>
    >>> If it doesn't look like pizza (brown crust) or taste like pizza,
    >>> they're not gonna eat. First get Domino's and Pizza Hut to switch to
    >>> whole wheat crust.

    >>
    >>>> The notion that there is no reason to feed whole grains to kids is
    >>>> just plain BS.

    >>
    >>> Kids aren't livestock, the only critters that can process whole
    >>> grains.

    >>
    >>>> Highly processed white flour foods are one of the reasons for the
    >>>> increase in juvenile obesity and diabetes. Nobody said they should
    >>>> be served only whole grains. All they wanted to do was increase the
    >>>> amount of whole grains they were recieving in school lunches, which
    >>>> is opposed by the corporate whores in congress in order to please
    >>>> their masters.

    >>
    >>> Whole wheat flour contains all the evil of white flour, plus bran
    >>> and wheat germ. Explain the benefits of adding wheat germ and bran
    >>> to children's diets, then I'll buy into your conspiracy theory.

    >>
    >> No, I'm not getting conned into wasting my time explaining to
    >> someone who is determined to ignore science and fact in favor of
    >> what they want to believe. There is plenty of evidence which you can
    >> easily find on your onw, and BTW it's not MY theory.

    >
    > You pull facts out of your ass and expect them to be taken at face
    > value? I'M supposed to find facts to back up your empty assertions?


    Like I said I'm not going to bother citing well accepted science for you. I
    think you're just having a typical kneejerk reaction to the fact that the
    proposal came from something associated with the name Obama.


    > You suck at arguing.


    No, I just know the difference between a discussion and bait. You suck at
    baiting.

    >
    >>
    >>>> On the storage thing, you've apparently jumped to a totally
    >>>> different conversation.

    >>
    >>> Insisting on whole grains will lead to a lot of wasted food and thus
    >>> increase the cost of school lunch without benefiting anyone but the
    >>> whole grain providers:

    >>
    >> In other words, keeping the massive corporate processsors of grains
    >> for low fiber, high carb foods happy takes precedence over good food
    >> and common sense. And WTF are whole grain providers? That's just
    >> gratuitous bull**** bait, made up to try to save a lost point. ALL
    >> grain starts off as whole grain. Get a frickin clue.
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>> Kids won't eat rancid food, i.e. food made from rancid flour.

    >>
    >> You're kidding, right? So now all foods with whole grains served to
    >> kids are going to be rancid? Excuse me, but you are making yourself
    >> look like a total moron.
    >>
    >>> Food
    >>> that turns rancid must be thrown away -- a direct waste of money.
    >>> White flour can be kept without refrigeration a lot longer than can
    >>> whole wheat flour. Now we have to start refrigerating flour for
    >>> dough, or mill wheatberries onsite. Either alternative will mean
    >>> greater expense than the current system.

    >>
    >> That's a massive crock of foolbait bull****.

    >
    > Translation: I have no counter argument.
    >
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>> There has to be a compelling reason to switch to whole grains that
    >>> would justify that added expense.

    >>
    >> Compelling, beyond reducing childhood obesity and diabetes, and
    >> promoting good habits of consuming a high fiber diet which results
    >> in better overall average health throughout the lifetime of the
    >> average person? You don't get that? No ****?

    >
    > Americans have been eating white flour goods since World War I, but
    > the epidemic of diabetes is happening only now. Why the 90 year time
    > lag? People eat less bread than they ever did -- my skinny great uncle
    > was remarkable in our family for eating two slices of white bread at
    > every meal. He is the longest lived of the siblings at 94 this year.


    Bla bla blah bull****. Your uncle is the representative sample for the
    population, and your simplistic, unsupported (YES unsupported, you're the
    one not backing up) line of **** that white processed grain consumption has
    not changed since the turn of the century is utterly laughable.

    >
    > Don't confuse cause and effect. Just because diabetics should avoid
    > white flour does not mean that white flour causes diabetes.
    >


    I'm not confusing anything. Go look it up. I'm not doing it for you.

    >> I'm done, this is just stupid. Go find someone dumb to argue with,
    >> you'll have better luck.

    >
    > I have.


    Yourself? Go away, loser. I have more brains in a fingernail clipping than
    you'll ever have in your head.

    Or, you can take this opportunity to quit your kneejerk posturing and try to
    learn something.

    As if.




  19. #19
    Nunya Bidnits Guest

    Default Re: School Lunch.........another reason Congress is at 9 percent approval.

    Bryan <[email protected]> wrote:
    > On Nov 15, 12:38 pm, Mark Thorson <nos...@sonic.net> wrote:
    >> ImStillMags wrote:
    >>
    >>> Food companies that produce frozen pizzas for schools, the salt
    >>> industry and potato growers requested the changes, and some
    >>> conservatives in Congress say the federal government shouldn't be
    >>> telling children what to eat.

    >>
    >> Baloney! The salt industry could care less what's
    >> served for lunch at schools. Salt for human consumption
    >> is a tiny fraction of their business. That would be
    >> like the mercury industry caring about whether mercury
    >> compounds are used in vaccines.

    >
    > Yeah, that was pretty absurd. The salt industry. It was the potato
    > growers but also the process food industry like Kraft and ConAgra.
    > One more example of Obama, good, Congressional Republicans, bad.
    >
    > --Bryan


    That made no sense at all.



  20. #20
    Bryan Guest

    Default Re: School Lunch.........another reason Congress is at 9 percent approval.

    On Nov 15, 4:46*pm, spamtrap1888 <spamtrap1...@gmail.com> wrote:
    >
    >
    > Whole wheat flour contains all the evil of white flour, plus bran and
    > wheat germ. Explain the benefits of adding wheat germ and bran to
    > children's diets, then I'll buy into your conspiracy theory.
    >

    True, that the B vitamins in wheat germ have been replaced by added
    vitamins in enriched white flour, but fiber is a good thing. Even a
    major carb peddler says so: http://www.kelloggsnutrition.com/kno...rchildren.aspx
    Fiber slows digestion, and reduces the glycemic impact. Our school
    district cooks things pretty much from scratch, and includes a lot of
    locally grown foods: http://www.mrhsd.org/userfiles/files...0ES%20Menu.pdf
    They make applesauce from scratch, using local apples. I live in a
    very progressive community. They also do this: http://www.joesplacestl.org/

    --Bryan

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