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    Paul & Robin Barrett Guest

    Default Safeway "Rancher's Reserve"

    Anyone else figure out that this much touted, supposedly superior, "grade"
    of beef has been quietly downgraded from USDA Choice to USDA Select, at
    least for some cuts? I found out when I bought a whole rib roast which was
    still in the cryovac wrap from the packing house and was identified as
    Select. Never would have known had they cut it up and put it in the display
    case.

    Paul Barrett


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    Sky Guest

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    Paul & Robin Barrett wrote:
    >
    > Anyone else figure out that this much touted, supposedly superior, "grade"
    > of beef has been quietly downgraded from USDA Choice to USDA Select, at
    > least for some cuts? I found out when I bought a whole rib roast which was
    > still in the cryovac wrap from the packing house and was identified as
    > Select. Never would have known had they cut it up and put it in the display
    > case.
    >
    > Paul Barrett


    Figures. Just another way to get the bottom lines to look better to the
    shareholders and such. Akin to decreases in the packaging contents
    sizes and increase in prices. Lower the cost of the components and
    ingredients, etc. Many folks, for example, never notice that packages
    of something went from 16 ounces to 14 ounces to 13 ounces, and so
    forth, and yet the prices remain the same or even increased.

    Sky

    --
    Ultra Ultimate Kitchen Rule - Use the Timer!
    Ultimate Kitchen Rule -- Cook's Choice

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    [email protected] Guest

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    On Apr 13, 10:44*am, "Paul & Robin Barrett" <robinbarr...@gci.net>
    wrote:
    > Anyone else figure out that this much touted, supposedly superior, "grade"
    > of beef has been quietly downgraded from USDA Choice to USDA Select, at
    > least for some cuts? *I found out when I bought a whole rib roast whichwas
    > still in the cryovac wrap from the packing house and was identified as
    > Select. *Never would have known had they cut it up and put it in the display
    > case.


    Been true from the beginning, I think. When they first introduced it
    I quizzed the meat department manager and he kept saying it was not
    graded. You can pretty much tell just by eyeballing the marbling --
    or lack thereof -- that's it would not be graded USDA Choice. I don't
    buy it, even on sale. -aem

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    Paul M. Cook Guest

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    "Paul & Robin Barrett" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected] mmunications...
    > Anyone else figure out that this much touted, supposedly superior, "grade"
    > of beef has been quietly downgraded from USDA Choice to USDA Select, at
    > least for some cuts? I found out when I bought a whole rib roast which
    > was still in the cryovac wrap from the packing house and was identified as
    > Select. Never would have known had they cut it up and put it in the
    > display case.



    My Vons sells the stuff, too. It is crap. Some of the worst beef I have
    ever eaten. Always has been, too. When you have to put a ton of tenderizer
    on a NY strip steak you know it is bad.

    Paul



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    =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Bobo_Bonobo=AE?= Guest

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    On Apr 13, 1:40*pm, "Paul M. Cook" <pmc...@gte.net> wrote:
    > "Paul & Robin Barrett" <robinbarr...@gci.net> wrote in messagenews:hbqdnaPEVu905H7UnZ2dnUVZ_sudnZ2d@poste d.gcicommunications...
    >
    > > Anyone else figure out that this much touted, supposedly superior, "grade"
    > > of beef has been quietly downgraded from USDA Choice to USDA Select, at
    > > least for some cuts? *I found out when I bought a whole rib roast which
    > > was still in the cryovac wrap from the packing house and was identifiedas
    > > Select. *Never would have known had they cut it up and put it in the
    > > display case.

    >
    > My Vons sells the stuff, too. *It is crap. *Some of the worst beef I have
    > ever eaten. *Always has been, too. *When you have to put a ton of tenderizer
    > on a NY strip steak you know it is bad.


    I'd rather have shoeleather tough beef than beef that's been
    chemically tenderized.
    >
    > Paul


    --Bryan
    The album, "School of the Americas" is now available online.
    Go to: http://www.thebonobos.com/
    Click on the album cover to purchase. This is a fold out case with a
    lyrics booklet for only $9.99. That's right folks, only $9.99.

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    Paul M. Cook Guest

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    "Bobo Bonobo®" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]..
    On Apr 13, 1:40 pm, "Paul M. Cook" <pmc...@gte.net> wrote:
    > "Paul & Robin Barrett" <robinbarr...@gci.net> wrote in
    > messagenews:hbqdnaPEVu905H7UnZ2dnUVZ_sudnZ2d@poste d.gcicommunications...
    >
    > > Anyone else figure out that this much touted, supposedly superior,
    > > "grade"
    > > of beef has been quietly downgraded from USDA Choice to USDA Select, at
    > > least for some cuts? I found out when I bought a whole rib roast which
    > > was still in the cryovac wrap from the packing house and was identified
    > > as
    > > Select. Never would have known had they cut it up and put it in the
    > > display case.

    >
    > My Vons sells the stuff, too. It is crap. Some of the worst beef I have
    > ever eaten. Always has been, too. When you have to put a ton of tenderizer
    > on a NY strip steak you know it is bad.


    I'd rather have shoeleather tough beef than beef that's been
    chemically tenderized.


    Papaya juice extract is not exactly an inorganic chemical. But I agree, I
    prefer natural.

    Paul



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    =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Bobo_Bonobo=AE?= Guest

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    On Apr 13, 2:03*pm, "Paul M. Cook" <pmc...@gte.net> wrote:
    > "Bobo Bonobo®" <CLASS...@BRICK.NET> wrote in message
    >
    > news:[email protected]..
    > On Apr 13, 1:40 pm, "Paul M. Cook" <pmc...@gte.net> wrote:
    >
    > > "Paul & Robin Barrett" <robinbarr...@gci.net> wrote in
    > > messagenews:hbqdnaPEVu905H7UnZ2dnUVZ_sudnZ2d@poste d.gcicommunications....

    >
    > > > Anyone else figure out that this much touted, supposedly superior,
    > > > "grade"
    > > > of beef has been quietly downgraded from USDA Choice to USDA Select, at
    > > > least for some cuts? I found out when I bought a whole rib roast which
    > > > was still in the cryovac wrap from the packing house and was identified
    > > > as
    > > > Select. Never would have known had they cut it up and put it in the
    > > > display case.

    >
    > > My Vons sells the stuff, too. It is crap. Some of the worst beef I have
    > > ever eaten. Always has been, too. When you have to put a ton of tenderizer
    > > on a NY strip steak you know it is bad.

    >
    > I'd rather have shoeleather tough beef than beef that's been
    > chemically tenderized.
    >
    > Papaya juice extract is not exactly an inorganic chemical. *But I agree, I
    > prefer natural.


    I knew you meant papain. I think it alters flavor as well as
    texture. The discount steak places use it (Ponderosa, Bonanza). It's
    not gross. I just don't like the flavor it imparts.
    >
    > Paul


    --Bryan
    The album, "School of the Americas" is now available online.
    Go to: http://www.thebonobos.com/
    Click on the album cover to purchase. This is a fold out case with a
    lyrics booklet for only $9.99. That's right folks, only $9.99.

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    Dan Abel Guest

    Default Re: Safeway "Rancher's Reserve"

    In article <[email protected] ications>,
    "Paul & Robin Barrett" <[email protected]> wrote:

    > Anyone else figure out that this


    I stopped buying beef from Safeway a long time ago, well before they
    came up with this "Rancher's Discards" name.

    > much touted,


    I never, ever heard anyone "tout" it except Safeway, and they never used
    any words that meant anything.

    > supposedly superior,


    Again, never anything solid. It was just their "new" house brand.

    > "grade"


    Safeway had a long policy of only selling ungraded beef. I can't
    imagine that they would ever start selling USDA Choice beef without
    heavily advertising that fact. I never saw anything.

    > of beef has been quietly downgraded from USDA Choice to USDA Select, at
    > least for some cuts? I found out when I bought a whole rib roast which was
    > still in the cryovac wrap from the packing house and was identified as
    > Select. Never would have known had they cut it up and put it in the display
    > case.


    I just wonder if your local store ran out of rib roasts and just
    couldn't get any from the warehouse, so ordered some locally.

    --
    Dan Abel
    Petaluma, California USA
    [email protected]
    "[Don't] assume that someone is "broken" just because they behave in ways
    you don't like or don't understand." --Miche

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    Dan Abel Guest

    Default Re: Safeway "Rancher's Reserve"

    In article
    <[email protected]>,
    Bobo Bonobo® <[email protected]> wrote:

    > On Apr 13, 2:03*pm, "Paul M. Cook" <pmc...@gte.net> wrote:


    > > "Bobo Bonobo®" <CLASS...@BRICK.NET> wrote in message
    > >
    > > news:[email protected]..
    > > On Apr 13, 1:40 pm, "Paul M. Cook" <pmc...@gte.net> wrote:


    > > > My Vons sells the stuff, too. It is crap. Some of the worst beef I have
    > > > ever eaten. Always has been, too. When you have to put a ton of tenderizer
    > > > on a NY strip steak you know it is bad.

    > >
    > > I'd rather have shoeleather tough beef than beef that's been
    > > chemically tenderized.
    > >
    > > Papaya juice extract is not exactly an inorganic chemical. *But I agree, I
    > > prefer natural.

    >
    > I knew you meant papain.


    You *knew* he meant fruit juice, even though he never posted that, so
    you then referenced "chemically tenderized"? Do I understand that
    correctly? Just want to know for the future.

    --
    Dan Abel
    Petaluma, California USA
    [email protected]
    "[Don't] assume that someone is "broken" just because they behave in ways
    you don't like or don't understand." --Miche

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    =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Bobo_Bonobo=AE?= Guest

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    On Apr 13, 3:12*pm, Dan Abel <da...@sonic.net> wrote:
    > In article
    > <a87f0cd3-fff4-41a8-b508-181164c99...@s28g2000vbp.googlegroups.com>,
    > *Bobo Bonobo® <CLASS...@BRICK.NET> wrote:
    >
    >
    >
    > > On Apr 13, 2:03*pm, "Paul M. Cook" <pmc...@gte.net> wrote:
    > > > "Bobo Bonobo®" <CLASS...@BRICK.NET> wrote in message

    >
    > > >news:[email protected]...
    > > > On Apr 13, 1:40 pm, "Paul M. Cook" <pmc...@gte.net> wrote:
    > > > > My Vons sells the stuff, too. It is crap. Some of the worst beef I have
    > > > > ever eaten. Always has been, too. When you have to put a ton of tenderizer
    > > > > on a NY strip steak you know it is bad.

    >
    > > > I'd rather have shoeleather tough beef than beef that's been
    > > > chemically tenderized.

    >
    > > > Papaya juice extract is not exactly an inorganic chemical. *But I agree, I
    > > > prefer natural.

    >
    > > I knew you meant papain.

    >
    > You *knew* he meant fruit juice, even though he never posted that, so
    > you then referenced "chemically tenderized"? *Do I understand that
    > correctly? *Just want to know for the future.


    Chemically (with papaya enzyme), as opposed to mechanically (with a
    hammer). I don't think that they use the juice, just the extracted
    enzyme. That's what all "tenderizer" is, isn't it? I guess I could
    have interpreted " put a ton of tenderizer on" it as meaning, hit it
    with a BFH, kinda like "open up a can of whoop ass."

    "In United States, Papain is available in Grocery stores as Adolph's
    Meat Tenderizer."
    source-- http://www.indiacurry.com/faqhints/p...izemeathow.htm

    If you're accusing me of trying to look more knowledgeable than I am,
    you're mistaken. I won't ask for an apology.
    >
    > --
    > Dan Abel
    > Petaluma, California USA


    --Bryan
    The album, "School of the Americas" is now available online.
    Go to: http://www.thebonobos.com/
    Click on the album cover to purchase. This is a fold out case with a
    lyrics booklet for only $9.99. That's right folks, only $9.99.

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    Dale P Guest

    Default Re: Safeway "Rancher's Reserve"

    "Paul & Robin Barrett" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected] mmunications...
    > Anyone else figure out that this much touted, supposedly superior, "grade"
    > of beef has been quietly downgraded from USDA Choice to USDA Select, at
    > least for some cuts? I found out when I bought a whole rib roast which
    > was still in the cryovac wrap from the packing house and was identified as
    > Select. Never would have known had they cut it up and put it in the
    > display case.
    >
    > Paul Barrett


    I have always been very pleased with the Ranchers Reserve beef. The only
    beef we eat just grilled is tenderloin steak, and thay are always great. It
    is much better than Kroger. Now we are buying Costco, and it is very good,
    but has to be frozen due to the larger qunatity.

    DP
    >




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    Michael Nielsen Guest

    Default Re: Safeway "Rancher's Reserve"

    On Apr 13, 10:44*am, "Paul & Robin Barrett" <robinbarr...@gci.net>
    wrote:
    > Anyone else figure out that this much touted, supposedly superior, "grade"
    > of beef has been quietly downgraded from USDA Choice to USDA Select, at
    > least for some cuts?


    It doesnt look very nice in the Davis safeway, so I buy my meat at CO-
    OP (5 dot ranch) and on campus.
    Very delicious.
    Their pork is really expensive though.


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    =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Bobo_Bonobo=AE?= Guest

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    On Apr 13, 7:09*pm, "Dale P" <da...@yahoo.com> wrote:
    > "Paul & Robin Barrett" <robinbarr...@gci.net> wrote in messagenews:hbqdnaPEVu905H7UnZ2dnUVZ_sudnZ2d@poste d.gcicommunications...
    >
    > > Anyone else figure out that this much touted, supposedly superior, "grade"
    > > of beef has been quietly downgraded from USDA Choice to USDA Select, at
    > > least for some cuts? *I found out when I bought a whole rib roast which
    > > was still in the cryovac wrap from the packing house and was identifiedas
    > > Select. *Never would have known had they cut it up and put it in the
    > > display case.

    >
    > > Paul Barrett

    >
    > I have always been very pleased with the Ranchers Reserve beef. *The only
    > beef we eat just grilled is tenderloin steak, and thay are always great. *It
    > is much better than Kroger. *Now we are buying Costco, and it is very good,
    > but has to be frozen due to the larger qunatity.


    If it's tenderloin, then select should be plenty tender, and select
    tends to be leaner. Not always the case, as not as well marbled beef
    can have more concentrated fat. I made beef stew today in the
    Crockpot with lean, need to be braised, pre-cut chunks cut from
    shoulder. That stuff is only good for braising or eating raw. Yes,
    I'm a cross between an idiot and a wild animal in that I eat beef
    cold, out of the package, and never seem to fall ill as a result.
    Nothing wrong with Select, as long as you're not paying Choice prices
    for it.
    I buy strips and t-bones graded Choice, and sometimes the marbling
    varies dramatically between steaks in the same coldcase. The steaks
    that resemble Prime are more tender. Those that approach Select still
    have that sweetness that I have come to associate with the strip cut,
    but are admittedly chewier.
    Select and ungraded beef is not unwholesome, just not as tender.
    >
    > DP
    >

    --Bryan
    The album, "School of the Americas" is now available online.
    Go to: http://www.thebonobos.com/
    Click on the album cover to purchase. This is a fold out case with a
    lyrics booklet for only $9.99. That's right folks, only $9.99.

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    Cheryl Guest

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    "Paul M. Cook" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:gs00vi$1ih$[email protected]..
    >
    > "Paul & Robin Barrett" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected] mmunications...
    >> Anyone else figure out that this much touted, supposedly superior,
    >> "grade" of beef has been quietly downgraded from USDA Choice to USDA
    >> Select, at least for some cuts? I found out when I bought a whole rib
    >> roast which was still in the cryovac wrap from the packing house and was
    >> identified as Select. Never would have known had they cut it up and put
    >> it in the display case.

    >
    >
    > My Vons sells the stuff, too. It is crap. Some of the worst beef I have
    > ever eaten. Always has been, too. When you have to put a ton of
    > tenderizer on a NY strip steak you know it is bad.
    >


    I just cooked a small beef roast this weekend that was a RR from Safeway,
    which I'd froze. Sold dirt cheap and I was wondering why back then (a month
    ago). But it was tender and tasty, so I have no beefs with them. Top round
    and Bottom Round both for 1.99/pound.


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    =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Bobo_Bonobo=AE?= Guest

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    On Apr 13, 9:16*pm, "Cheryl" <jlhsha...@NOSPAMhotmail.com> wrote:
    > "Paul M. Cook" <pmc...@gte.net> wrote in messagenews:gs00vi$1ih$[email protected]..
    >
    >
    >
    > > "Paul & Robin Barrett" <robinbarr...@gci.net> wrote in message
    > >news:[email protected] ommunications...
    > >> Anyone else figure out that this much touted, supposedly superior,
    > >> "grade" of beef has been quietly downgraded from USDA Choice to USDA
    > >> Select, at least for some cuts? *I found out when I bought a whole rib
    > >> roast which was still in the cryovac wrap from the packing house and was
    > >> identified as Select. *Never would have known had they cut it up andput
    > >> it in the display case.

    >
    > > My Vons sells the stuff, too. *It is crap. *Some of the worst beef I have
    > > ever eaten. *Always has been, too. *When you have to put a ton of
    > > tenderizer on a NY strip steak you know it is bad.

    >
    > I just cooked a small beef roast this weekend that was a RR from Safeway,
    > which I'd froze. Sold dirt cheap and I was wondering why back then (a month
    > ago). *But it was tender and tasty, so I have no beefs with them. *Top round
    > and Bottom Round both for 1.99/pound.


    Roasted to MR and sliced super thinly, I don't see what the difference
    would be.

    --Bryan
    The album, "School of the Americas" is now available online.
    Go to: http://www.thebonobos.com/
    Click on the album cover to purchase. This is a fold out case with a
    lyrics booklet for only $9.99. That's right folks, only $9.99.

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    Sqwertz Guest

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    Paul & Robin Barrett wrote:
    > Anyone else figure out that this much touted, supposedly superior,
    > "grade" of beef has been quietly downgraded from USDA Choice to USDA
    > Select, at least for some cuts?


    It never was USDA Choice. At least not here in TX where it's sold at
    Randall's. Choice cuts never had the RR label (and RR never claimed to be
    Choice - or even Select for that matter)

    -sw

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    Sqwertz Guest

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    Bobo Bonobo® wrote:

    > I'd rather have shoeleather tough beef than beef that's been
    > chemically tenderized.


    Oh no! Not... CHEMICALS!

    -sw

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    =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Bobo_Bonobo=AE?= Guest

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    On Apr 16, 3:08*pm, Sqwertz <swe...@cluemail.compst> wrote:
    > Bobo Bonobo® wrote:
    > > I'd rather have shoeleather tough beef than beef that's been
    > > chemically tenderized.

    >
    > Oh no! *Not... CHEMICALS!


    Do you have a suggestion as to a better word to use to distinguish
    between mechanically and chemically tenderized beef?
    Pounding with a mallet changes texture. Treating with papain changes
    flavor and texture. I happen to dislike that flavor.
    >
    > -sw


    --Bryan, aka Bobo Bonobo http://www.TheBonobos.com

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    blake murphy Guest

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    On Thu, 16 Apr 2009 15:08:02 -0500, Sqwertz wrote:

    > Bobo Bonobo® wrote:
    >
    >> I'd rather have shoeleather tough beef than beef that's been
    >> chemically tenderized.

    >
    > Oh no! Not... CHEMICALS!
    >
    > -sw


    bobby, did you know that half of *you* is made up of chemicals?

    your pal,
    troy

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    =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Bobo_Bonobo=AE?= Guest

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    On Apr 17, 10:38*am, blake murphy <blakepmNOTT...@verizon.net> wrote:
    > On Thu, 16 Apr 2009 15:08:02 -0500, Sqwertz wrote:
    > > Bobo Bonobo® wrote:

    >
    > >> I'd rather have shoeleather tough beef than beef that's been
    > >> chemically tenderized.

    >
    > > Oh no! *Not... CHEMICALS!

    >
    > > -sw

    >
    > bobby, did you know that half of *you* is made up of chemicals?


    *All* of *everybody* is made out of chemicals.
    >
    > your pal,
    > troy


    --Bryan, aka Bobo Bonobo http://www.TheBonobos.com

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