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  1. #1
    emmy007 Guest

    Default It it right to add sugar into milk?


    Some parents think that milk with sugar is easy to digest for babies.
    Actually, sugar is used to increase calorie from carbohydrate, but the
    amount should be proper. Generally, adding 5-8 grams sugar per 100 ml
    milk is proper. Too much sugar may disturb infants' growth.

    What is the best sugar for 'milk'
    (http://www.weiku.com/catalogs/1951/Milk/)? Sucrose can become glucose
    easily resolved by digestive juices and absorbed by human bodies. It's
    not necessary to add glucose into milk, as rich glucose may exceed the
    prescribed scope.

    Another problem is when to add sugar? if milk is cooked with sugar at
    the same time, lysine in milk will make chemical reaction with sugar at
    high temperatures (80 ℃ ~ 100 ℃) and produce glycosyl
    lysine, which can not be absorbed by human bodies, especially for
    babies. Therefore, you should add sugar into milk when it's at 40
    ℃ to 50 ℃.




    --
    emmy007

  2. #2
    Ed Pawlowski Guest

    Default Re: It it right to add sugar into milk?

    On Mon, 17 Oct 2011 08:21:33 +0000, emmy007
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    >
    >Some parents think that milk with sugar is easy to digest for babies.
    >Actually, sugar is used to increase calorie from carbohydrate, but the
    >amount should be proper. Generally, adding 5-8 grams sugar per 100 ml
    >milk is proper. Too much sugar may disturb infants' growth.
    >
    >What is the best sugar for 'milk'



    How incredibly dumb. Teach infants they can get sugar any time they
    want.

  3. #3
    Julie Bove Guest

    Default Re: It it right to add sugar into milk?


    "Ed Pawlowski" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]..
    > On Mon, 17 Oct 2011 08:21:33 +0000, emmy007
    > <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >>
    >>Some parents think that milk with sugar is easy to digest for babies.
    >>Actually, sugar is used to increase calorie from carbohydrate, but the
    >>amount should be proper. Generally, adding 5-8 grams sugar per 100 ml
    >>milk is proper. Too much sugar may disturb infants' growth.
    >>
    >>What is the best sugar for 'milk'

    >
    >
    > How incredibly dumb. Teach infants they can get sugar any time they
    > want.


    Well, infants shouldn't have milk unless it is breast milk.



  4. #4
    John Kuthe Guest

    Default Re: It it right to add sugar into milk?

    On Oct 17, 5:03*am, "Julie Bove" <julieb...@frontier.com> wrote:
    > "Ed Pawlowski" <e...@snet.net> wrote in message
    >
    > news:[email protected]..
    >
    > > On Mon, 17 Oct 2011 08:21:33 +0000, emmy007
    > > <emmy007.8e1a448.862...@foodbanter.com> wrote:

    >
    > >>Some parents think that milk with sugar is easy to digest for babies.
    > >>Actually, sugar is used to increase calorie from carbohydrate, but the
    > >>amount should be proper. Generally, adding 5-8 grams sugar per 100 ml
    > >>milk is proper. Too much sugar may disturb infants' growth.

    >
    > >>What is the best sugar for 'milk'

    >
    > > How incredibly dumb. *Teach infants they can get sugar any time they
    > > want.

    >
    > Well, infants shouldn't have milk unless it is breast milk.


    And human breast milk is all the food and water an infant needs, until
    it's weaned to other foods.

    Mother Nature is amazing!

    John Kuthe, RN...

  5. #5
    Lou Decruss Guest

    Default Re: It it right to add sugar into milk?

    On Mon, 17 Oct 2011 06:00:21 -0400, Ed Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote:

    >On Mon, 17 Oct 2011 08:21:33 +0000, emmy007
    ><[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >>
    >>Some parents think that milk with sugar is easy to digest for babies.
    >>Actually, sugar is used to increase calorie from carbohydrate, but the
    >>amount should be proper. Generally, adding 5-8 grams sugar per 100 ml
    >>milk is proper. Too much sugar may disturb infants' growth.
    >>
    >>What is the best sugar for 'milk'

    >
    >
    >How incredibly dumb. Teach infants they can get sugar any time they
    >want.


    At least you trimmed the spam link.

  6. #6
    Andy Guest

    Default Re: It it right to add sugar into milk?

    Ed Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote:

    > How incredibly dumb. Teach infants they can get sugar any time they
    > want.



    Gerber, the baby food company played a dirty trick on parents AND babies
    by adding sugar to their baby foods. So Mom or Pop could taste a small
    bit and feel assured that it would taste good to baby. But babies don't
    have developed taste buds so in actuality, bland is better as long as the
    right nutrients are there.

    I don't know if Gerber did away with added sugar. I remember it
    infuriated parents, with good reason!

    Milk already contains milk sugar.

    There's no accurate measure for adding sugar to anything since there's no
    established Recommended Daily Allowance numbers. It's a "to taste" thing,
    "one lump or two?"

    I'm with you Ed! Another absurd post by the bozos on foodbanter.

    Andy

  7. #7
    John Kuthe Guest

    Default Re: It it right to add sugar into milk?

    On Oct 17, 6:15*am, Andy <a...@b.c> wrote:
    > Ed Pawlowski <e...@snet.net> wrote:
    > > How incredibly dumb. *Teach infants they can get sugar any time they
    > > want.

    >
    > Gerber, the baby food company played a dirty trick on parents AND babies
    > by adding sugar to their baby foods. So Mom or Pop could taste a small
    > bit and feel assured that it would taste good to baby. But babies don't
    > have developed taste buds so in actuality, bland is better as long as the
    > right nutrients are there.
    >
    > I don't know if Gerber did away with added sugar. I remember it
    > infuriated parents, with good reason!
    >
    > Milk already contains milk sugar.

    ....

    Primarily lactose, if I'm not mistaken, which I don't think I am, or I
    would not have posted.

    John Kuthe, RN...

  8. #8
    Julie Bove Guest

    Default Re: It it right to add sugar into milk?


    "Andy" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]..
    > Ed Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >> How incredibly dumb. Teach infants they can get sugar any time they
    >> want.

    >
    >
    > Gerber, the baby food company played a dirty trick on parents AND babies
    > by adding sugar to their baby foods. So Mom or Pop could taste a small
    > bit and feel assured that it would taste good to baby. But babies don't
    > have developed taste buds so in actuality, bland is better as long as the
    > right nutrients are there.
    >
    > I don't know if Gerber did away with added sugar. I remember it
    > infuriated parents, with good reason!
    >
    > Milk already contains milk sugar.
    >
    > There's no accurate measure for adding sugar to anything since there's no
    > established Recommended Daily Allowance numbers. It's a "to taste" thing,
    > "one lump or two?"
    >
    > I'm with you Ed! Another absurd post by the bozos on foodbanter.
    >


    There is no sugar or salt in baby food. Hasn't been for many years.



  9. #9
    Boron Elgar Guest

    Default Re: It it right to add sugar into milk?

    On Mon, 17 Oct 2011 07:16:58 -0700, "Julie Bove"
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    >
    >"Andy" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]..
    >> Ed Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>
    >>> How incredibly dumb. Teach infants they can get sugar any time they
    >>> want.

    >>
    >>
    >> Gerber, the baby food company played a dirty trick on parents AND babies
    >> by adding sugar to their baby foods. So Mom or Pop could taste a small
    >> bit and feel assured that it would taste good to baby. But babies don't
    >> have developed taste buds so in actuality, bland is better as long as the
    >> right nutrients are there.
    >>
    >> I don't know if Gerber did away with added sugar. I remember it
    >> infuriated parents, with good reason!
    >>
    >> Milk already contains milk sugar.
    >>
    >> There's no accurate measure for adding sugar to anything since there's no
    >> established Recommended Daily Allowance numbers. It's a "to taste" thing,
    >> "one lump or two?"
    >>
    >> I'm with you Ed! Another absurd post by the bozos on foodbanter.
    >>

    >
    >There is no sugar or salt in baby food. Hasn't been for many years.
    >

    You might want to stroll the aisles and read a few labels before you
    make such a claim.

    Meanwhile, read up on this Canadian studies...the commercial baby &
    toddler foods do not differ too much between there and the US.

    http://jpubhealth.oxfordjournals.org...t/33/1/63.full

    Boron

  10. #10
    Andy Guest

    Default Re: It it right to add sugar into milk?

    "Julie Bove" <[email protected]> wrote:

    > There is no sugar or salt in baby food. Hasn't been for many years.



    Julie,

    I forget when Gerber was exposed but at least 40 years ago during my senior
    high school project on food additives.

    I can't remember if it was a legal complaint, a food industry watchdog
    matter or company whistleblower.

    Best,

    Andy



  11. #11
    sf Guest

    Default Re: It it right to add sugar into milk?

    On Mon, 17 Oct 2011 10:54:01 -0400, Boron Elgar
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    > On Mon, 17 Oct 2011 07:16:58 -0700, "Julie Bove"
    > <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    > >
    > >"Andy" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]..
    > >> Ed Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote:
    > >>
    > >>> How incredibly dumb. Teach infants they can get sugar any time they
    > >>> want.
    > >>
    > >>
    > >> Gerber, the baby food company played a dirty trick on parents AND babies
    > >> by adding sugar to their baby foods. So Mom or Pop could taste a small
    > >> bit and feel assured that it would taste good to baby. But babies don't
    > >> have developed taste buds so in actuality, bland is better as long as the
    > >> right nutrients are there.
    > >>
    > >> I don't know if Gerber did away with added sugar. I remember it
    > >> infuriated parents, with good reason!
    > >>
    > >> Milk already contains milk sugar.
    > >>
    > >> There's no accurate measure for adding sugar to anything since there's no
    > >> established Recommended Daily Allowance numbers. It's a "to taste" thing,
    > >> "one lump or two?"
    > >>
    > >> I'm with you Ed! Another absurd post by the bozos on foodbanter.
    > >>

    > >
    > >There is no sugar or salt in baby food. Hasn't been for many years.
    > >

    > You might want to stroll the aisles and read a few labels before you
    > make such a claim.
    >
    > Meanwhile, read up on this Canadian studies...the commercial baby &
    > toddler foods do not differ too much between there and the US.
    >
    > http://jpubhealth.oxfordjournals.org...t/33/1/63.full
    >

    I don't know why parents buy commercial products when it's so easy to
    make yourself. 35 years ago I had a little hand crank grinder. I put
    what we were eating that night into it and made baby food from the
    evening's meal. What's so hard about that?

    --
    All you need is love. But a little chocolate now and then doesn't hurt.

  12. #12
    Dan Abel Guest

    Default Re: It it right to add sugar into milk?

    In article <[email protected]>, Andy <[email protected]> wrote:


    > Milk already contains milk sugar.


    Milk sugar (lactose) is much less sweet than regular sugar. This cite
    says it's about a third as sweet:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taste#Sweetness

    > There's no accurate measure for adding sugar to anything since there's no
    > established Recommended Daily Allowance numbers. It's a "to taste" thing,
    > "one lump or two?"


    That doesn't make sense to me. It is a little broad. In some recipes,
    sugar changes the body of the result. Milk solids (which contain a lot
    of lactose) are often added to commercial ice cream to change the
    texture, rather than add sweetness. Corn syrup is added to baked goods
    for similar reasons. The type of sugar in corn syrup is less sweet than
    regular sugar.

    > Another absurd post by the bozos on foodbanter.


    I don't killfile the domain. I'm willing to give them a chance, at
    least for a little while longer. However, this OP is a loser.

    --
    Dan Abel
    Petaluma, California USA
    [email protected]

  13. #13
    Andy Guest

    Default Re: It it right to add sugar into milk?

    Dan Abel <[email protected]> wrote:

    > In article <[email protected]>, Andy <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >
    >> Milk already contains milk sugar.

    >
    > Milk sugar (lactose) is much less sweet than regular sugar. This cite
    > says it's about a third as sweet:
    >
    > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taste#Sweetness
    >
    >> There's no accurate measure for adding sugar to anything since
    >> there's no established Recommended Daily Allowance numbers. It's a
    >> "to taste" thing, "one lump or two?"

    >
    > That doesn't make sense to me. It is a little broad. In some
    > recipes, sugar changes the body of the result. Milk solids (which
    > contain a lot of lactose) are often added to commercial ice cream to
    > change the texture, rather than add sweetness. Corn syrup is added to
    > baked goods for similar reasons. The type of sugar in corn syrup is
    > less sweet than regular sugar.
    >
    >> Another absurd post by the bozos on foodbanter.

    >
    > I don't killfile the domain. I'm willing to give them a chance, at
    > least for a little while longer. However, this OP is a loser.



    Dan,

    I don't block foodbander either. One never knows if there might just be a
    gem in the dirt! It just bugs me that they mirror rfc onto their web
    forum instead of just participating here.

    Your other points are also well appreciated.

    Best,

    Andy

  14. #14
    Julie Bove Guest

    Default Re: It it right to add sugar into milk?


    "Boron Elgar" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]..
    > On Mon, 17 Oct 2011 07:16:58 -0700, "Julie Bove"
    > <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >>
    >>"Andy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >>news:[email protected]..
    >>> Ed Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> How incredibly dumb. Teach infants they can get sugar any time they
    >>>> want.
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> Gerber, the baby food company played a dirty trick on parents AND babies
    >>> by adding sugar to their baby foods. So Mom or Pop could taste a small
    >>> bit and feel assured that it would taste good to baby. But babies don't
    >>> have developed taste buds so in actuality, bland is better as long as
    >>> the
    >>> right nutrients are there.
    >>>
    >>> I don't know if Gerber did away with added sugar. I remember it
    >>> infuriated parents, with good reason!
    >>>
    >>> Milk already contains milk sugar.
    >>>
    >>> There's no accurate measure for adding sugar to anything since there's
    >>> no
    >>> established Recommended Daily Allowance numbers. It's a "to taste"
    >>> thing,
    >>> "one lump or two?"
    >>>
    >>> I'm with you Ed! Another absurd post by the bozos on foodbanter.
    >>>

    >>
    >>There is no sugar or salt in baby food. Hasn't been for many years.
    >>

    > You might want to stroll the aisles and read a few labels before you
    > make such a claim.


    Oh I have! And recently too. I do buy it for various things.
    >
    > Meanwhile, read up on this Canadian studies...the commercial baby &
    > toddler foods do not differ too much between there and the US.
    >
    > http://jpubhealth.oxfordjournals.org...t/33/1/63.full


    And I'm talking strictly baby food. Not toddler.



  15. #15
    Julie Bove Guest

    Default Re: It it right to add sugar into milk?


    "sf" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]..
    > On Mon, 17 Oct 2011 10:54:01 -0400, Boron Elgar
    > <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >> On Mon, 17 Oct 2011 07:16:58 -0700, "Julie Bove"
    >> <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>
    >> >
    >> >"Andy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >> >news:[email protected]..
    >> >> Ed Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote:
    >> >>
    >> >>> How incredibly dumb. Teach infants they can get sugar any time they
    >> >>> want.
    >> >>
    >> >>
    >> >> Gerber, the baby food company played a dirty trick on parents AND
    >> >> babies
    >> >> by adding sugar to their baby foods. So Mom or Pop could taste a small
    >> >> bit and feel assured that it would taste good to baby. But babies
    >> >> don't
    >> >> have developed taste buds so in actuality, bland is better as long as
    >> >> the
    >> >> right nutrients are there.
    >> >>
    >> >> I don't know if Gerber did away with added sugar. I remember it
    >> >> infuriated parents, with good reason!
    >> >>
    >> >> Milk already contains milk sugar.
    >> >>
    >> >> There's no accurate measure for adding sugar to anything since there's
    >> >> no
    >> >> established Recommended Daily Allowance numbers. It's a "to taste"
    >> >> thing,
    >> >> "one lump or two?"
    >> >>
    >> >> I'm with you Ed! Another absurd post by the bozos on foodbanter.
    >> >>
    >> >
    >> >There is no sugar or salt in baby food. Hasn't been for many years.
    >> >

    >> You might want to stroll the aisles and read a few labels before you
    >> make such a claim.
    >>
    >> Meanwhile, read up on this Canadian studies...the commercial baby &
    >> toddler foods do not differ too much between there and the US.
    >>
    >> http://jpubhealth.oxfordjournals.org...t/33/1/63.full
    >>

    > I don't know why parents buy commercial products when it's so easy to
    > make yourself. 35 years ago I had a little hand crank grinder. I put
    > what we were eating that night into it and made baby food from the
    > evening's meal. What's so hard about that?


    They buy it because it's convenient and can be kept shelf stable in a diaper
    bag for when you're on the go.

    I had one of those little devices too and never used it. My daughter got
    her teeth early and began eating real food. She grabbed it right off of my
    plate. I think she had baby food for maybe 2 months, if that.



  16. #16
    Julie Bove Guest

    Default Re: It it right to add sugar into milk?


    "Andy" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]..
    > "Julie Bove" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >> There is no sugar or salt in baby food. Hasn't been for many years.

    >
    >
    > Julie,
    >
    > I forget when Gerber was exposed but at least 40 years ago during my
    > senior
    > high school project on food additives.
    >
    > I can't remember if it was a legal complaint, a food industry watchdog
    > matter or company whistleblower.
    >
    > Best,
    >
    > Andy


    Here's the Beechnut website.

    http://www.beechnut.com/

    No sugar or salt in those baby foods. I didn't look at the toddler foods
    because we're talking baby.

    Now I'll look up the Gerber.

    http://www.gerber.com/allstages/prod...FacaQgodGnvtJA

    No sugar or salt in there either!



  17. #17
    Boron Elgar Guest

    Default Re: It it right to add sugar into milk?

    On Mon, 17 Oct 2011 14:23:13 -0700, "Julie Bove"
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    >
    >"Boron Elgar" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >news:[email protected]. .
    >> On Mon, 17 Oct 2011 07:16:58 -0700, "Julie Bove"
    >> <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>
    >>>
    >>>"Andy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >>>news:[email protected]..
    >>>> Ed Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>>> How incredibly dumb. Teach infants they can get sugar any time they
    >>>>> want.
    >>>>
    >>>>
    >>>> Gerber, the baby food company played a dirty trick on parents AND babies
    >>>> by adding sugar to their baby foods. So Mom or Pop could taste a small
    >>>> bit and feel assured that it would taste good to baby. But babies don't
    >>>> have developed taste buds so in actuality, bland is better as long as
    >>>> the
    >>>> right nutrients are there.
    >>>>
    >>>> I don't know if Gerber did away with added sugar. I remember it
    >>>> infuriated parents, with good reason!
    >>>>
    >>>> Milk already contains milk sugar.
    >>>>
    >>>> There's no accurate measure for adding sugar to anything since there's
    >>>> no
    >>>> established Recommended Daily Allowance numbers. It's a "to taste"
    >>>> thing,
    >>>> "one lump or two?"
    >>>>
    >>>> I'm with you Ed! Another absurd post by the bozos on foodbanter.
    >>>>
    >>>
    >>>There is no sugar or salt in baby food. Hasn't been for many years.
    >>>

    >> You might want to stroll the aisles and read a few labels before you
    >> make such a claim.

    >
    >Oh I have! And recently too. I do buy it for various things.
    >>
    >> Meanwhile, read up on this Canadian studies...the commercial baby &
    >> toddler foods do not differ too much between there and the US.
    >>
    >> http://jpubhealth.oxfordjournals.org...t/33/1/63.full

    >
    >And I'm talking strictly baby food. Not toddler.
    >


    Baby foods are included in the study, so you are still wrong.

    Boron

  18. #18
    Julie Bove Guest

    Default Re: It it right to add sugar into milk?


    "Boron Elgar" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]..
    > On Mon, 17 Oct 2011 14:23:13 -0700, "Julie Bove"
    > <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >>
    >>"Boron Elgar" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >>news:[email protected] ..
    >>> On Mon, 17 Oct 2011 07:16:58 -0700, "Julie Bove"
    >>> <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>>
    >>>>
    >>>>"Andy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >>>>news:[email protected]..
    >>>>> Ed Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>>>>
    >>>>>> How incredibly dumb. Teach infants they can get sugar any time they
    >>>>>> want.
    >>>>>
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Gerber, the baby food company played a dirty trick on parents AND
    >>>>> babies
    >>>>> by adding sugar to their baby foods. So Mom or Pop could taste a small
    >>>>> bit and feel assured that it would taste good to baby. But babies
    >>>>> don't
    >>>>> have developed taste buds so in actuality, bland is better as long as
    >>>>> the
    >>>>> right nutrients are there.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> I don't know if Gerber did away with added sugar. I remember it
    >>>>> infuriated parents, with good reason!
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Milk already contains milk sugar.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> There's no accurate measure for adding sugar to anything since there's
    >>>>> no
    >>>>> established Recommended Daily Allowance numbers. It's a "to taste"
    >>>>> thing,
    >>>>> "one lump or two?"
    >>>>>
    >>>>> I'm with you Ed! Another absurd post by the bozos on foodbanter.
    >>>>>
    >>>>
    >>>>There is no sugar or salt in baby food. Hasn't been for many years.
    >>>>
    >>> You might want to stroll the aisles and read a few labels before you
    >>> make such a claim.

    >>
    >>Oh I have! And recently too. I do buy it for various things.
    >>>
    >>> Meanwhile, read up on this Canadian studies...the commercial baby &
    >>> toddler foods do not differ too much between there and the US.
    >>>
    >>> http://jpubhealth.oxfordjournals.org...t/33/1/63.full

    >>
    >>And I'm talking strictly baby food. Not toddler.
    >>

    >
    > Baby foods are included in the study, so you are still wrong.


    Could you tell me what brands then? Because I posted links to both Gerber
    and Beechnut and neither contain sugar or salt. The only other brands that
    I know about in this country are organic ones. All safe. My daughter is 13
    now and when she was a baby there was no food with sugar or salt in it for
    babies. I don't think that has changed.



  19. #19
    Miche Guest

    Default Re: It it right to add sugar into milk?

    In article <[email protected]>,
    emmy007 <[email protected]> wrote:

    > Some parents think that milk with sugar is easy to digest for babies.
    > Actually, sugar is used to increase calorie from carbohydrate, but the
    > amount should be proper. Generally, adding 5-8 grams sugar per 100 ml
    > milk is proper. Too much sugar may disturb infants' growth.


    The only foods that should be given to infants are breastmilk or infant
    formula. Not cow's milk, and definitely not with sucrose added.

    Miche

    --
    Electricians do it in three phases

  20. #20
    MotoFox Guest

    Default Re: It it right to add sugar into milk?

    Quoth sf~

    > I don't know why parents buy commercial products when it's so easy to make
    > yourself. 35 years ago I had a little hand crank grinder. I put what we
    > were eating that night into it and made baby food from the evening's meal.
    > What's so hard about that?


    Nothing, to you and I. But now try convincing some of these trendy young
    20-something hippy-dippy moms nowdays that it's even doable....yes,
    the same hippy-dippy moms who think it's okay to take your baby out in the
    jogging stroller on a 40-degree windy day without so much as a coat, or
    even at least a hood!

    What makes you believe they'd be intelligent enough to figure out how to
    make their own baby food?

    (Yes, I know I sound like a cranky old man [and I suppose I probably am]
    but honestly, it amazes me that the younger generations even manage to
    survive year-to-year...)

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