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    Lin Guest

    Default Revisiting MSG and Weight Gain

    I just caught this article on Yahoo ...

    http://health.yahoo.com/experts/weig...g-weight-gain/

    While much of the info is nothing new (and I think a lot of the weight
    gain is because people eat more since MSG excites nerves related to
    taste) there was one paragraph toward the end that I didn't know:

    "Limit making stews or soups in a crock pot, since slow-cooking tends to
    cause small amounts of glutamic acid to be released from the protein
    sources (e.g., meat, chicken) in the recipe."

    Hmmmm. Who wouldathunk?

    --Lin

  2. #2
    dsi1 Guest

    Default Re: Revisiting MSG and Weight Gain

    Lin wrote:
    > I just caught this article on Yahoo ...
    >
    > http://health.yahoo.com/experts/weig...g-weight-gain/
    >
    >
    > While much of the info is nothing new (and I think a lot of the weight
    > gain is because people eat more since MSG excites nerves related to
    > taste) there was one paragraph toward the end that I didn't know:
    >
    > "Limit making stews or soups in a crock pot, since slow-cooking tends to
    > cause small amounts of glutamic acid to be released from the protein
    > sources (e.g., meat, chicken) in the recipe."
    >
    > Hmmmm. Who wouldathunk?


    MSG just can't get no respect. Now it's being blamed for making food
    taste too good. The reality is that if your food tastes great - you can
    blame it all on the cook. All the MSG in China ain't gonna help a poor
    cook. Dumb article. Really dumb.

    >
    > --Lin



  3. #3
    projectile vomit chick Guest

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    On Jul 30, 2:31*pm, Lin <grafixbunny2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
    > I just caught this article on Yahoo ...
    >
    > http://health.yahoo.com/experts/weig...prising-ingred...
    >
    > While much of the info is nothing new (and I think a lot of the weight
    > gain is because people eat more since MSG excites nerves related to
    > taste) there was one paragraph toward the end that I didn't know:
    >
    > "Limit making stews or soups in a crock pot, since slow-cooking tends to
    > cause small amounts of glutamic acid to be released from the protein
    > sources (e.g., meat, chicken) in the recipe."
    >
    > Hmmmm. Who wouldathunk?


    Bull****.

    You know what makes all of this fatass epidemic real simple to figure
    out? Put down the ****ing fork and push away from the goddamned table
    once in a ****ing while, lardass! Stop shoveling food in your gaping
    maw 24/7 and watch those pounds just fly off! Move your fat bottom
    instead of sitting around all the time! Wow!


  4. #4
    Bubba Guest

    Default Re: Revisiting MSG and Weight Gain

    On Thu, 30 Jul 2009 15:19:18 -0700 (PDT), projectile vomit chick
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    >On Jul 30, 2:31*pm, Lin <grafixbunny2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
    >> I just caught this article on Yahoo ...
    >>
    >> http://health.yahoo.com/experts/weig...prising-ingred...
    >>
    >> While much of the info is nothing new (and I think a lot of the weight
    >> gain is because people eat more since MSG excites nerves related to
    >> taste) there was one paragraph toward the end that I didn't know:
    >>
    >> "Limit making stews or soups in a crock pot, since slow-cooking tends to
    >> cause small amounts of glutamic acid to be released from the protein
    >> sources (e.g., meat, chicken) in the recipe."
    >>
    >> Hmmmm. Who wouldathunk?

    >
    >Bull****.
    >
    >You know what makes all of this fatass epidemic real simple to figure
    >out? Put down the ****ing fork and push away from the goddamned table
    >once in a ****ing while, lardass! Stop shoveling food in your gaping
    >maw 24/7 and watch those pounds just fly off! Move your fat bottom
    >instead of sitting around all the time! Wow!



    I wonder if you'd be singing the same old tired song if the shoe was on the
    other foot. I know people who have glandular problems which precludes them from
    loosing weight, they don't want to live their lives like that, but people like
    you always want to tell them the way to live their lives is your way.

  5. #5
    projectile vomit chick Guest

    Default Re: Revisiting MSG and Weight Gain

    On Jul 30, 6:13*pm, Bubba <no...@chance.nz> wrote:
    > On Thu, 30 Jul 2009 15:19:18 -0700 (PDT), projectile vomit chick
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > <projectilevomitch...@netzero.com> wrote:
    > >On Jul 30, 2:31*pm, Lin <grafixbunny2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
    > >> I just caught this article on Yahoo ...

    >
    > >>http://health.yahoo.com/experts/weig...prising-ingred....

    >
    > >> While much of the info is nothing new (and I think a lot of the weight
    > >> gain is because people eat more since MSG excites nerves related to
    > >> taste) there was one paragraph toward the end that I didn't know:

    >
    > >> "Limit making stews or soups in a crock pot, since slow-cooking tends to
    > >> cause small amounts of glutamic acid to be released from the protein
    > >> sources (e.g., meat, chicken) in the recipe."

    >
    > >> Hmmmm. Who wouldathunk?

    >
    > >Bull****.

    >
    > >You know what makes all of this fatass epidemic real simple to figure
    > >out? *Put down the ****ing fork and push away from the goddamned table
    > >once in a ****ing while, lardass! *Stop shoveling food in your gaping
    > >maw 24/7 and watch those pounds just fly off! *Move your fat bottom
    > >instead of sitting around all the time! *Wow!

    >
    > I wonder if you'd be singing the same old tired song if the shoe was on the
    > other foot. I know people who have glandular problems which precludes them from
    > loosing weight, they don't want to live their lives like that, but peoplelike
    > you always want to tell them the way to live their lives is your way.


    Oh yes I knew someone would trot out the old "glandular problems"
    saw. *yawn* My previous statements still stand, if people want to
    not be fat then STOP EATING SO ****ING MUCH.

  6. #6
    Andy Guest

    Default Re: Revisiting MSG and Weight Gain

    projectile vomit chick said...

    > Oh yes I knew someone would trot out the old "glandular problems"
    > saw. *yawn* My previous statements still stand, if people want to
    > not be fat then STOP EATING SO ****ING MUCH.



    Herein lies the problem. If you eat too much you'll die. If you don't eat
    enough you'll die. Lots of folks just can't strike a happy medium, erring on
    the side of eating too much.

    MSG... my uncle worked with MSG at a food company back when MSG got a bad
    name. His department's job was to break it down to the catalysts and enzymes
    and list those so they wouldn't have to list MSG in the ingredients lists of
    their products.

    He died of a heart attack. He was 36 years old. The company went through
    great legal expense to prove it wasn't their fault. We knew better. They won.
    The BUMS!!!!!!

    Andy

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    Goomba Guest

    Default Re: Revisiting MSG and Weight Gain

    Andy wrote:

    > MSG... my uncle worked with MSG at a food company back when MSG got a bad
    > name. His department's job was to break it down to the catalysts and enzymes
    > and list those so they wouldn't have to list MSG in the ingredients lists of
    > their products.
    >
    > He died of a heart attack. He was 36 years old. The company went through
    > great legal expense to prove it wasn't their fault. We knew better. They won.
    > The BUMS!!!!!!
    >
    > Andy


    And did the autopsy show drugs or anything in his system?
    Young people who die early of heart attacks have been known to have
    cocaine or other stimulants in their system.

  8. #8
    George Guest

    Default Re: Revisiting MSG and Weight Gain

    Goomba wrote:
    > Andy wrote:
    >
    >> MSG... my uncle worked with MSG at a food company back when MSG got a
    >> bad name. His department's job was to break it down to the catalysts
    >> and enzymes and list those so they wouldn't have to list MSG in the
    >> ingredients lists of their products.
    >>
    >> He died of a heart attack. He was 36 years old. The company went
    >> through great legal expense to prove it wasn't their fault. We knew
    >> better. They won. The BUMS!!!!!!
    >>
    >> Andy

    >
    > And did the autopsy show drugs or anything in his system?
    > Young people who die early of heart attacks have been known to have
    > cocaine or other stimulants in their system.


    Or simply because of the genetic roll of the dice when he was conceived
    produced some congenital defect. A friend's friend 26 year old son died
    of a heart attack in his sleep just a few months ago. I know the
    pathologist who did the autopsy and she is quite competent and thorough.
    No drugs were involved. He had a congenital defect.


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    Mark Thorson Guest

    Default Re: Revisiting MSG and Weight Gain

    Andy wrote:
    >
    > MSG... my uncle worked with MSG at a food company back when MSG got a bad
    > name. His department's job was to break it down to the catalysts and enzymes
    > and list those so they wouldn't have to list MSG in the ingredients lists of
    > their products.


    Baloney. There's plenty of disguised names for MSG
    as ingredients that are MSG-rich, such as hydrolyzed
    vegetable protein, sodium caseinate, beef flavor,
    natural flavor, etc. None of these are a catalyst
    nor an enzyme. As usual, you don't know what you're
    talking about.

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    Goomba Guest

    Default Re: Revisiting MSG and Weight Gain

    George wrote:
    > Goomba wrote:
    >> Andy wrote:
    >>
    >>> MSG... my uncle worked with MSG at a food company back when MSG got a
    >>> bad name. His department's job was to break it down to the catalysts
    >>> and enzymes and list those so they wouldn't have to list MSG in the
    >>> ingredients lists of their products.
    >>>
    >>> He died of a heart attack. He was 36 years old. The company went
    >>> through great legal expense to prove it wasn't their fault. We knew
    >>> better. They won. The BUMS!!!!!!
    >>>
    >>> Andy

    >>
    >> And did the autopsy show drugs or anything in his system?
    >> Young people who die early of heart attacks have been known to have
    >> cocaine or other stimulants in their system.

    >
    > Or simply because of the genetic roll of the dice when he was conceived
    > produced some congenital defect. A friend's friend 26 year old son died
    > of a heart attack in his sleep just a few months ago. I know the
    > pathologist who did the autopsy and she is quite competent and thorough.
    > No drugs were involved. He had a congenital defect.
    >

    Right.. two examples of valid reasons a young man would have an MI and
    they have *nothing* to do with MSG.

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    Andy Guest

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    Mark Thorson said...

    > Andy wrote:
    >>
    >> MSG... my uncle worked with MSG at a food company back when MSG got a
    >> bad name. His department's job was to break it down to the catalysts
    >> and enzymes and list those so they wouldn't have to list MSG in the
    >> ingredients lists of their products.

    >
    > Baloney. There's plenty of disguised names for MSG
    > as ingredients that are MSG-rich, such as hydrolyzed
    > vegetable protein, sodium caseinate, beef flavor,
    > natural flavor, etc. None of these are a catalyst
    > nor an enzyme. As usual, you don't know what you're
    > talking about.



    What happened happened. Maybe I didn't explain it exactly right.

    You're penchant for wanting to be an asshole is stunning.

    Andy

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    Andy Guest

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    George said...

    > Goomba wrote:
    >> Andy wrote:
    >>
    >>> MSG... my uncle worked with MSG at a food company back when MSG got a
    >>> bad name. His department's job was to break it down to the catalysts
    >>> and enzymes and list those so they wouldn't have to list MSG in the
    >>> ingredients lists of their products.
    >>>
    >>> He died of a heart attack. He was 36 years old. The company went
    >>> through great legal expense to prove it wasn't their fault. We knew
    >>> better. They won. The BUMS!!!!!!
    >>>
    >>> Andy

    >>
    >> And did the autopsy show drugs or anything in his system?
    >> Young people who die early of heart attacks have been known to have
    >> cocaine or other stimulants in their system.

    >
    > Or simply because of the genetic roll of the dice when he was conceived
    > produced some congenital defect. A friend's friend 26 year old son died
    > of a heart attack in his sleep just a few months ago. I know the
    > pathologist who did the autopsy and she is quite competent and thorough.
    > No drugs were involved. He had a congenital defect.



    So, obviously there's no possible chance that years of exposure to MSG had
    ANYTHING AT ALL to do with it???

    Arguing for argument's sake is not considered good form.

    Some people!!!

    Andy

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    Andy Guest

    Default Re: Revisiting MSG and Weight Gain

    Mark Thorson said...

    > Andy wrote:
    >>
    >> Mark Thorson said...
    >>
    >> > Andy wrote:
    >> >>
    >> >> MSG... my uncle worked with MSG at a food company back when MSG got a
    >> >> bad name. His department's job was to break it down to the catalysts
    >> >> and enzymes and list those so they wouldn't have to list MSG in the
    >> >> ingredients lists of their products.
    >> >
    >> > Baloney. There's plenty of disguised names for MSG
    >> > as ingredients that are MSG-rich, such as hydrolyzed
    >> > vegetable protein, sodium caseinate, beef flavor,
    >> > natural flavor, etc. None of these are a catalyst
    >> > nor an enzyme. As usual, you don't know what you're
    >> > talking about.

    >>
    >> What happened happened. Maybe I didn't explain it exactly right.

    >
    > You were wrong. You did not know understand what
    > you were talking about.
    >
    >> You're penchant for wanting to be an asshole is stunning.

    >
    > Attacking the critic rather than the criticism is
    > the hallmark of a fool. You are a fool.



    Shouldn't you be ebay hunting down some obscure object to impress us?

    Andy

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    Mark Thorson Guest

    Default Re: Revisiting MSG and Weight Gain

    Andy wrote:
    >
    > Mark Thorson said...
    >
    > > Andy wrote:
    > >>
    > >> MSG... my uncle worked with MSG at a food company back when MSG got a
    > >> bad name. His department's job was to break it down to the catalysts
    > >> and enzymes and list those so they wouldn't have to list MSG in the
    > >> ingredients lists of their products.

    > >
    > > Baloney. There's plenty of disguised names for MSG
    > > as ingredients that are MSG-rich, such as hydrolyzed
    > > vegetable protein, sodium caseinate, beef flavor,
    > > natural flavor, etc. None of these are a catalyst
    > > nor an enzyme. As usual, you don't know what you're
    > > talking about.

    >
    > What happened happened. Maybe I didn't explain it exactly right.


    You were wrong. You did not know understand what
    you were talking about.

    > You're penchant for wanting to be an asshole is stunning.


    Attacking the critic rather than the criticism is
    the hallmark of a fool. You are a fool.

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    Andy Guest

    Default Re: Revisiting MSG and Weight Gain

    Mark Thorson said...

    > Andy wrote:
    >>
    >> Mark Thorson said...
    >>
    >> > Andy wrote:
    >> >>
    >> >> Mark Thorson said...
    >> >>
    >> >> > Andy wrote:
    >> >> >>
    >> >> >> MSG... my uncle worked with MSG at a food company back when MSG
    >> >> >> got a bad name. His department's job was to break it down to the
    >> >> >> catalysts and enzymes and list those so they wouldn't have to
    >> >> >> list MSG in the ingredients lists of their products.
    >> >> >
    >> >> > Baloney. There's plenty of disguised names for MSG
    >> >> > as ingredients that are MSG-rich, such as hydrolyzed
    >> >> > vegetable protein, sodium caseinate, beef flavor,
    >> >> > natural flavor, etc. None of these are a catalyst
    >> >> > nor an enzyme. As usual, you don't know what you're
    >> >> > talking about.
    >> >>
    >> >> What happened happened. Maybe I didn't explain it exactly right.
    >> >
    >> > You were wrong. You did not know understand what
    >> > you were talking about.
    >> >
    >> >> You're penchant for wanting to be an asshole is stunning.
    >> >
    >> > Attacking the critic rather than the criticism is
    >> > the hallmark of a fool. You are a fool.

    >>
    >> Shouldn't you be ebay hunting down some obscure object to impress us?

    >
    > You're staying in fool mode, but I suppose that's
    > inevitable, like a dog staying in dog mode.



    Mark, you're so full of yourself!

    I'd be embarrassed to be you!

    Andy

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    Mark Thorson Guest

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    Andy wrote:
    >
    > Mark Thorson said...
    >
    > > Andy wrote:
    > >>
    > >> Mark Thorson said...
    > >>
    > >> > Andy wrote:
    > >> >>
    > >> >> MSG... my uncle worked with MSG at a food company back when MSG got a
    > >> >> bad name. His department's job was to break it down to the catalysts
    > >> >> and enzymes and list those so they wouldn't have to list MSG in the
    > >> >> ingredients lists of their products.
    > >> >
    > >> > Baloney. There's plenty of disguised names for MSG
    > >> > as ingredients that are MSG-rich, such as hydrolyzed
    > >> > vegetable protein, sodium caseinate, beef flavor,
    > >> > natural flavor, etc. None of these are a catalyst
    > >> > nor an enzyme. As usual, you don't know what you're
    > >> > talking about.
    > >>
    > >> What happened happened. Maybe I didn't explain it exactly right.

    > >
    > > You were wrong. You did not know understand what
    > > you were talking about.
    > >
    > >> You're penchant for wanting to be an asshole is stunning.

    > >
    > > Attacking the critic rather than the criticism is
    > > the hallmark of a fool. You are a fool.

    >
    > Shouldn't you be ebay hunting down some obscure object to impress us?


    You're staying in fool mode, but I suppose that's
    inevitable, like a dog staying in dog mode.

  17. #17
    The Other Guy Guest

    Default Re: Revisiting MSG and Weight Gain

    On Thu, 30 Jul 2009 12:31:09 -0700, Lin <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    >Hmmmm. Who wouldathunk?


    Think what, that SOME people will believe pretty much ANY stupid
    thing??



    To reply by email, lose the Ks...


  18. #18
    Chemiker Guest

    Default Re: Revisiting MSG and Weight Gain

    On Thu, 30 Jul 2009 19:20:47 -0500, Andy <[email protected]> wrote:

    >projectile vomit chick said...
    >
    >> Oh yes I knew someone would trot out the old "glandular problems"
    >> saw. *yawn* My previous statements still stand, if people want to
    >> not be fat then STOP EATING SO ****ING MUCH.

    >


    >MSG... my uncle worked with MSG at a food company back when MSG got a bad
    >name. His department's job was to break it down to the catalysts and enzymes
    >and list those so they wouldn't have to list MSG in the ingredients lists of
    >their products.
    >
    >He died of a heart attack. He was 36 years old. The company went through
    >great legal expense to prove it wasn't their fault. We knew better. They won.
    >The BUMS!!!!!!


    Do you refer to the infamous GRAS list? (Generally recognized as
    safe....FDA)

    Monosodium glutamate (glutamic acid sodium salt) is pretty simple
    as molecules go. It contains no catalysts nor enzymes. Sort of like
    salt and corn syrup. It's at the level of amino acids.

    Does it hurt people? Yes, some, of whom I am one. MY heart,
    already compromised, goes berzerk when I eat MSG. My reaction
    is kinda like a diabetic shock or maybe post prandial dopiness.

    Really fun driving after a CHinese meal doped with MSG.....

    ALex


  19. #19
    Andy Guest

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    Chemiker said...

    > On Thu, 30 Jul 2009 19:20:47 -0500, Andy <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >>projectile vomit chick said...
    >>
    >>> Oh yes I knew someone would trot out the old "glandular problems"
    >>> saw. *yawn* My previous statements still stand, if people want to
    >>> not be fat then STOP EATING SO ****ING MUCH.

    >>

    >
    >>MSG... my uncle worked with MSG at a food company back when MSG got a
    >>bad name. His department's job was to break it down to the catalysts and
    >>enzymes and list those so they wouldn't have to list MSG in the
    >>ingredients lists of their products.
    >>
    >>He died of a heart attack. He was 36 years old. The company went through
    >>great legal expense to prove it wasn't their fault. We knew better. They
    >>won. The BUMS!!!!!!

    >
    > Do you refer to the infamous GRAS list? (Generally recognized as
    > safe....FDA)


    Yes I did, as a reference for my senior high school project. I forget the
    book I used... "Eat This!" ??

    That was a long time ago.

    I pissed off the kitchen staff!!! They complained to the principal about my
    tent cards at the tables. The principal was on my side but made me
    apologize. I did with some regret. I did make a point.


    > Monosodium glutamate (glutamic acid sodium salt) is pretty simple
    > as molecules go. It contains no catalysts nor enzymes. Sort of like
    > salt and corn syrup. It's at the level of amino acids.
    >
    > Does it hurt people? Yes, some, of whom I am one. MY heart,
    > already compromised, goes berzerk when I eat MSG. My reaction
    > is kinda like a diabetic shock or maybe post prandial dopiness.
    >
    > Really fun driving after a CHinese meal doped with MSG.....
    >
    > ALex



    I'm familiar. I think it was termed "Chinese Restaurant Syndrome." After ~
    20 minutes the flush at the back of the neck, etc. Some people are very
    susceptible to the effect, others not.

  20. #20
    George Guest

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    Andy wrote:
    > George said...
    >
    >> Goomba wrote:
    >>> Andy wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> MSG... my uncle worked with MSG at a food company back when MSG got a
    >>>> bad name. His department's job was to break it down to the catalysts
    >>>> and enzymes and list those so they wouldn't have to list MSG in the
    >>>> ingredients lists of their products.
    >>>>
    >>>> He died of a heart attack. He was 36 years old. The company went
    >>>> through great legal expense to prove it wasn't their fault. We knew
    >>>> better. They won. The BUMS!!!!!!
    >>>>
    >>>> Andy
    >>> And did the autopsy show drugs or anything in his system?
    >>> Young people who die early of heart attacks have been known to have
    >>> cocaine or other stimulants in their system.

    >> Or simply because of the genetic roll of the dice when he was conceived
    >> produced some congenital defect. A friend's friend 26 year old son died
    >> of a heart attack in his sleep just a few months ago. I know the
    >> pathologist who did the autopsy and she is quite competent and thorough.
    >> No drugs were involved. He had a congenital defect.

    >
    >
    > So, obviously there's no possible chance that years of exposure to MSG had
    > ANYTHING AT ALL to do with it???
    >
    > Arguing for argument's sake is not considered good form.
    >
    > Some people!!!
    >
    > Andy


    No, you haven't presented any sort of an argument except "we think so".
    If one wants their claims to have weight they include collaborating
    evidence.

    Could he have died as a result of his research? sure, could he have had
    a congenital defect? sure . Lots of possibilities and no apparent
    evidence to make any sort of claim.

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