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  1. #1
    Dave Guest

    Default Reducing Cancer Danger (HCA) on Grilled Meats

    This is the time of the year when we are all out in the backyard,
    tossing steaks and hamburgers on the grill. In the past, news sites
    and TV shows have featured stories about how meats can turn cancer-
    forming by the grilling process. However, new research shows that
    there may be a way to decrease this risk dramatically.

    Research published in the Journal of Food Science suggests that
    marinating meats may decrease the cancer-forming compounds called
    heterocyclic amines (HCA), which are produced during grilling, by a
    whopping 70 percent or more.

    Three commercial spice-containing marinade blends (caribbean,
    southwest, and herb) on round beef steaks were tested by researchers
    from Kansas State University on grilled steaks. The steaks were
    marinated for one hour and then grilled at 400 degrees Fahrenheit.

    The food scientists who published this work found that steaks
    marinated in the Caribbean blend produced the highest decrease in HCA
    content (88 percent), followed by the herb blend (72 percent) and then
    the southwest blend (57 percent).

    “Commercial marinades offer spices and herbs which have antioxidants
    that help decrease the HCAs formed during grilling,” says Dr. J.S.
    Smith, principal researcher at Kansas State University. “The results
    from our study have a direct application since more consumers are
    interested in healthier cooking.”

    Cured meats are another story entirely . . . they have far more cancer
    causing agents than meat cooked on the grill.

    Dave

    Full text article above extracted from http://shamvswham.blogspot.com/

  2. #2
    Mark Thorson Guest

    Default Re: Reducing Cancer Danger (HCA) on Grilled Meats

    Dave the blogspot SPAMMER wrote:
    >
    > Three commercial spice-containing marinade blends (caribbean,
    > southwest, and herb) on round beef steaks were tested by researchers
    > from Kansas State University on grilled steaks. The steaks were
    > marinated for one hour and then grilled at 400 degrees Fahrenheit.


    Note that the risk from grilled meats is nearly
    insignificant. Of course, the blogspot spammer
    won't tell you that, because he's trying to use
    fear to drive traffic to his commercial blogspot
    web site.

    Here's a table of relative risks from

    http://zoology.muohio.edu/oris/ZOO46...s/15b_462.html

    Note how 100 charcoal broiled steaks compares to
    40 tablespoons of peanut butter or half liter of wine.
    There is absolutely no reason to be concerned about
    this risk, when there are so many other risks that
    completely dwarf this one. When you put the risk
    in perspective, it removes the rational basis for
    fear. But then it wouldn't be such a good story
    for the spammer to exploit.


    Table 12. Risks which increase chance of death by 0.000001

    Smoking 1.4 cigarettes -- Cancer, heart disease
    Drinking ˝ litre of wine -- Cirrhosis of the liver
    Spending 1 hour in a coal mine -- Black lung disease
    Spending 3 hours in a coal mine -- Accident
    Living 2 days in New York or Boston -- Air pollution
    Travelling 5 minutes by canoe -- Accident
    Travelling 10 miles by bicycle -- Accident
    Travelling 300 miles by car -- Accident
    Flying 1000 miles by jet -- Accident
    Flying 6000 miles by jet -- Cancer caused by
    cosmic radiation
    Living 2 months in Denver on vacation from
    New York -- Cancer caused by cosmic radiation
    Living 2 months in average stone or brick building
    -- Cancer caused by natural radioactivity
    One chest X-ray taken in a good hospital -- Cancer
    caused by radiation
    Living 2 months with a cigarette smoker -- Cancer,
    heart disease
    Eating 40 tablespoons of peanut butter -- Liver
    cancer caused by aflatoxin B
    Drinking Miami drinking-water for 1 year -- Cancer
    caused by chloroform
    Drinking 30 12 oz. cans of diet soda -- Cancer
    caused by saccharin
    Living 5 years at site boundary of a typical nuclear
    power plant in the open -- Cancer caused by radiation
    Drinking 1000 24 oz. soft drinks from recently banned
    plastic bottles -- Cancer from acrylonitrile monomer
    Living 20 years near PVC plant -- Cancer caused by
    vinyl chloride (1976 standard)
    Living 150 years within 20 miles of a nuclear power
    plant -- Cancer caused by radiation
    Eating 100 charcoal broiled steaks -- Cancer from
    benzopyrene
    Risk of accident by living within 5 miles of a nuclear
    reactor for 50 years -- Cancer caused by radiation

  3. #3
    Dave Guest

    Default Re: Reducing Cancer Danger (HCA) on Grilled Meats

    On Jul 30, 10:44*am, Mark Thorson <nos...@sonic.net> wrote:
    > Dave the blogspot SPAMMER wrote:
    >
    >
    >
    > > Three commercial spice-containing marinade blends (caribbean,
    > > southwest, and herb) on round beef steaks were tested by researchers
    > > from Kansas State University on grilled steaks. The steaks were
    > > marinated for one hour and then grilled at 400 degrees Fahrenheit.

    >
    > Note that the risk from grilled meats is nearly
    > insignificant. *Of course, the blogspot spammer
    > won't tell you that, because he's trying to use
    > fear to drive traffic to his commercial blogspot
    > web site.
    >
    > Here's a table of relative risks from
    >
    > http://zoology.muohio.edu/oris/ZOO46...s/15b_462.html
    >
    > Note how 100 charcoal broiled steaks compares to
    > 40 tablespoons of peanut butter or half liter of wine.
    > There is absolutely no reason to be concerned about
    > this risk, when there are so many other risks that
    > completely dwarf this one. *When you put the risk
    > in perspective, it removes the rational basis for
    > fear. *But then it wouldn't be such a good story
    > for the spammer to exploit.
    >
    > Table 12. Risks which increase chance of death by 0.000001
    >
    > Smoking 1.4 cigarettes -- Cancer, heart disease
    > Drinking ˝ litre of wine -- Cirrhosis of the liver
    > Spending 1 hour in a coal mine -- Black lung disease
    > Spending 3 hours in a coal mine -- Accident
    > Living 2 days in New York or Boston -- Air pollution
    > Travelling 5 minutes by canoe -- Accident
    > Travelling 10 miles by bicycle -- Accident
    > Travelling 300 miles by car -- Accident
    > Flying 1000 miles by jet -- Accident
    > Flying 6000 miles by jet -- Cancer caused by
    > cosmic radiation
    > Living 2 months in Denver on vacation from
    > New York -- Cancer caused by cosmic radiation
    > Living 2 months in average stone or brick building
    > -- Cancer caused by natural radioactivity
    > One chest X-ray taken in a good hospital -- Cancer
    > caused by radiation
    > Living 2 months with a cigarette smoker -- Cancer,
    > heart disease
    > Eating 40 tablespoons of peanut butter -- Liver
    > cancer caused by aflatoxin B
    > Drinking Miami drinking-water for 1 year -- Cancer
    > caused by chloroform
    > Drinking 30 12 oz. cans of diet soda -- Cancer
    > caused by saccharin
    > Living 5 years at site boundary of a typical nuclear
    > power plant in the open -- Cancer caused by radiation
    > Drinking 1000 24 oz. soft drinks from recently banned
    > plastic bottles -- Cancer from acrylonitrile monomer
    > Living 20 years near PVC plant -- Cancer caused by
    > vinyl chloride (1976 standard)
    > Living 150 years within 20 miles of a nuclear power
    > plant -- Cancer caused by radiation
    > Eating 100 charcoal broiled steaks -- Cancer from
    > benzopyrene
    > Risk of accident by living within 5 miles of a *nuclear
    > reactor for 50 years -- Cancer caused by radiation


    Mark, back to your old name calling? That's getting old. You've been
    pushed off so many newsgroups I can't count them.

    I'm a poster here on Rec.Food just like you. My blog is listed as it
    is the source of the article, and it has no ads or commercial content.
    Just a compendium of 300+ articles like the one you object to.

    It's interesting how a pharmaceutical/chemical industry tout like you
    can come on here and talk about cancer risk, when your whole
    livelihood and interests deals with chemicals that can hurt the human
    body. Mark, are you aware that your industry KILLS tens of thousands
    of people every year when people like you formulate these products?

    You should be ashamed of yourself for objecting to a post about the
    genuine risk of cancer from grilled meats. This is based on research
    from a legitimate university, with named people, not anonymous posters
    like you who don't leave a trace of their identity behind them. Look
    at everything of mine, and like the people from Kansas in this
    article, I have my full details and biosketch open. Good luck getting
    details on "Mark Thorsen, internet policeman"!

    Dave

  4. #4
    Mark Thorson Guest

    Default Re: Reducing Cancer Danger (HCA) on Grilled Meats

    Dave the blogspot SPAMMER wrote:
    >
    > Mark, back to your old name calling? That's getting old. You've been
    > pushed off so many newsgroups I can't count them.


    It's not name-calling to call you a spammer.
    You are abusing a non-commercial discussion
    newsgroup for commercial purposes, and that
    makes you a spammer.

    > I'm a poster here on Rec.Food just like you. My blog is listed as it
    > is the source of the article, and it has no ads or commercial content.
    > Just a compendium of 300+ articles like the one you object to.


    Your web site has commercial content, as you
    admitted when you said in a posting made on
    7/21/07:

    > On occasion, I will mention a product that
    > I am affiliated with, and this is clearly
    > presented in the text. That only happens
    > in about one out of ten or twelve posts.


    You can't spin those words as anything else.
    Your web site is commercial, and every time
    you plug it in a non-commercial discussion
    newsgroup, you are spamming. That makes
    you a spammer. It is not name-calling
    to correctly identify you as a spammer,
    any more than it would be name-calling
    to call O.J. Simpson a murderer.

    > It's interesting how a pharmaceutical/chemical industry tout like you
    > can come on here and talk about cancer risk, when your whole
    > livelihood and interests deals with chemicals that can hurt the human
    > body. Mark, are you aware that your industry KILLS tens of thousands
    > of people every year when people like you formulate these products?


    I've never worked for a pharmaceutical or chemical
    company. Now, it's not name-calling to call
    you a LIAR in addition to SPAMMER. You invent
    these lies because you can't defend yourself
    with truth. You are a dishonest spammer
    trying to steal some free advertising for
    your Internet-get-rich-quick scheme.
    You disgust me with your ignorance, your lies,
    your plagiarism, and your crass commercialism.

  5. #5
    Cindy Hamilton Guest

    Default Re: Reducing Cancer Danger (HCA) on Grilled Meats

    On Jul 30, 11:03*am, Dave <djense...@cox.net> wrote:

    > Cured meats are another story entirely . . . they have far more cancer
    > causing agents than meat cooked on the grill.


    Thanks, but no thanks. I'll eat my meat grilled and my bacon crispy.
    I just don't have it in me to worry about cancer.

    Cindy Hamilton

  6. #6
    Christopher Helms Guest

    Default Re: Reducing Cancer Danger (HCA) on Grilled Meats

    On Jul 30, 2:49*pm, Cindy Hamilton <angelicapagane...@hotmail.com>
    wrote:
    > On Jul 30, 11:03*am, Dave <djense...@cox.net> wrote:
    >
    > > Cured meats are another story entirely . . . they have far more cancer
    > > causing agents than meat cooked on the grill.

    >
    > Thanks, but no thanks. *I'll eat my meat grilled and my bacon crispy.
    > I just don't have it in me to worry about cancer.
    >
    > Cindy Hamilton


    Every time you turn around, somebody is banging on the cancer risk
    panic button. They've done it over bacon, coffee, sacchran, cell
    phones, fried food, grilled food, smoked food, meat, processed meat,
    Allar, free radicals, preservatives, plastic water bottles, the sun
    and anyone smoking a Chesterfield within a thousand yards of me. They
    have screamed Wolf! so many times that I don't even listen to them
    anymore. Besides, I'd rather die of cancer at 50 than live to 85 or so
    nibbling on raw bean sprouts and organic acorns and living in abject
    terror of every other food item in the universe.

  7. #7
    Nina Guest

    Default Re: Reducing Cancer Danger (HCA) on Grilled Meats

    On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 15:07:55 -0700 (PDT), Christopher Helms
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    >On Jul 30, 2:49*pm, Cindy Hamilton <angelicapagane...@hotmail.com>
    >wrote:
    >> On Jul 30, 11:03*am, Dave <djense...@cox.net> wrote:
    >>
    >> > Cured meats are another story entirely . . . they have far more cancer
    >> > causing agents than meat cooked on the grill.

    >>
    >> Thanks, but no thanks. *I'll eat my meat grilled and my bacon crispy.
    >> I just don't have it in me to worry about cancer.
    >>
    >> Cindy Hamilton

    >
    >Every time you turn around, somebody is banging on the cancer risk
    >panic button. They've done it over bacon, coffee, sacchran, cell
    >phones, fried food, grilled food, smoked food, meat, processed meat,
    >Allar, free radicals, preservatives, plastic water bottles, the sun
    >and anyone smoking a Chesterfield within a thousand yards of me. They
    >have screamed Wolf! so many times that I don't even listen to them
    >anymore. Besides, I'd rather die of cancer at 50 than live to 85 or so
    >nibbling on raw bean sprouts and organic acorns and living in abject
    >terror of every other food item in the universe.


    I don't know. I always said *exactly* that. And then I watched both
    my uncle and my mother die of cancer, just recently, and you really
    kind of don't look at anything the same way ever again.

    So while I think that the grill thing is nonsense, I think long and
    hard about consuming "foods" that are overly processed or basically
    just chemicals (I know, everything is chemicals, but I mean things
    like Nutrasweet). It's harder to dismiss it all completely. Makes
    you think that you should at least have some kind of stab at spreading
    out the odds.

    Not trying to be a wet blanket here, but it's hard to get it out of
    your mind when you watch the process.



  8. #8
    Abe Guest

    Default Re: Reducing Cancer Danger (HCA) on Grilled Meats

    >Dave the blogspot SPAMMER wrote:
    >>
    >> Mark, back to your old name calling? That's getting old. You've been
    >> pushed off so many newsgroups I can't count them.

    >
    >It's not name-calling to call you a spammer.
    >You are abusing a non-commercial discussion
    >newsgroup for commercial purposes, and that
    >makes you a spammer.
    >snip rest of accusations<

    Not being invested in this pissing contest, I took a look at the blog.
    While he does mention and point to his supplements company in one
    standard sidebar in the blog, none of the articles (and I read them
    all) have a commercial bent to them. You're being a bit too harsh.

  9. #9
    Mark Thorson Guest

    Default Re: Reducing Cancer Danger (HCA) on Grilled Meats

    Nina wrote:
    >
    > So while I think that the grill thing is nonsense, I think long and
    > hard about consuming "foods" that are overly processed or basically
    > just chemicals (I know, everything is chemicals, but I mean things
    > like Nutrasweet). It's harder to dismiss it all completely. Makes
    > you think that you should at least have some kind of stab at spreading
    > out the odds.


    In the U.S., all food additives are regulated by the FDA.
    The Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act, as amended in 1958,
    allows no level of any carcinogenic food additive.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delaney_clause

    You have much greater exposure to natural carcinogens
    such as aflatoxins in peanuts and dried corn.

  10. #10
    Mark Thorson Guest

    Default Re: Reducing Cancer Danger (HCA) on Grilled Meats

    Abe wrote:
    >
    > >Dave the blogspot SPAMMER wrote:
    > >>
    > >> Mark, back to your old name calling? That's getting old. You've been
    > >> pushed off so many newsgroups I can't count them.

    > >
    > >It's not name-calling to call you a spammer.
    > >You are abusing a non-commercial discussion
    > >newsgroup for commercial purposes, and that
    > >makes you a spammer.
    > >snip rest of accusations<

    > Not being invested in this pissing contest, I took a look at the blog.
    > While he does mention and point to his supplements company in one
    > standard sidebar in the blog, none of the articles (and I read them
    > all) have a commercial bent to them. You're being a bit too harsh.


    You can't be too harsh on spammers. If any spam
    is permissable, all spam becomes permissable, and
    the non-commercial discussion newsgroups will be
    lost in an ocean of spam. I'm not in favor of
    unlimited spamming in the newsgroups. Remember
    all the spam we were recently receiving for
    counterfeit leather goods from China? It'll
    be worse than that. There are no good spammers,
    there are no innocent spammers.

    There are commercial newsgroups where it is
    permissible to plug your commercial web site.
    Why can't he limit himself to those newsgroups?
    It's because he doesn't care about the future
    of this newsgroup. He only cares about his own
    interests, not the on-line community that has
    developed here. He sees it as free advertising
    for his business, nothing more.

  11. #11
    Nina Guest

    Default Re: Reducing Cancer Danger (HCA) on Grilled Meats

    On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 16:40:40 -0700, Mark Thorson <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    >Nina wrote:
    >>
    >> So while I think that the grill thing is nonsense, I think long and
    >> hard about consuming "foods" that are overly processed or basically
    >> just chemicals (I know, everything is chemicals, but I mean things
    >> like Nutrasweet). It's harder to dismiss it all completely. Makes
    >> you think that you should at least have some kind of stab at spreading
    >> out the odds.

    >
    >In the U.S., all food additives are regulated by the FDA.
    >The Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act, as amended in 1958,
    >allows no level of any carcinogenic food additive.
    >
    >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delaney_clause
    >
    >You have much greater exposure to natural carcinogens
    >such as aflatoxins in peanuts and dried corn.


    I don't eat either of those things, actually.

    And, frankly, I don't really trust the FDA all that terribly much,
    when you get right down to it.

    But I'm not really saying that it's a rational position; I'm just
    saying that a bunch of real-life exposure to cancer makes it harder to
    just shrug and say, I'll take the risk.


  12. #12
    Dave Guest

    Default Re: Reducing Cancer Danger (HCA) on Grilled Meats

    On Jul 30, 4:53*pm, Mark Thorson <nos...@sonic.net> wrote:
    > Abe wrote:
    >
    > > >Dave the blogspot SPAMMER wrote:

    >
    > > >> Mark, back to your old name calling? That's getting old. You've been
    > > >> pushed off so many newsgroups I can't count them.

    >
    > > >It's not name-calling to call you a spammer.
    > > >You are abusing a non-commercial discussion
    > > >newsgroup for commercial purposes, and that
    > > >makes you a spammer.
    > > >snip rest of accusations<

    > > Not being invested in this pissing contest, I took a look at the blog.
    > > While he does mention and point to his supplements company in one
    > > standard sidebar in the blog, none of the articles (and I read them
    > > all) have a commercial bent to them. You're being a bit too harsh.

    >
    > You can't be too harsh on spammers. *If any spam
    > is permissable, all spam becomes permissable, and
    > the non-commercial discussion newsgroups will be
    > lost in an ocean of spam. *I'm not in favor of
    > unlimited spamming in the newsgroups. *Remember
    > all the spam we were recently receiving for
    > counterfeit leather goods from China? *It'll
    > be worse than that. *There are no good spammers,
    > there are no innocent spammers.
    >
    > There are commercial newsgroups where it is
    > permissible to plug your commercial web site.
    > Why can't he limit himself to those newsgroups?
    > It's because he doesn't care about the future
    > of this newsgroup. *He only cares about his own
    > interests, not the on-line community that has
    > developed here. *He sees it as free advertising
    > for his business, nothing more.


    Honestly, Mark, I don't know why this newsgroup puts up with YOU.

    You try to control everyone's access to information, claiming "spam"
    when you haven't even looked at what I write. I put the entire article
    up, not some teaser. The link is there if people want to look at what
    I write and what I do, or to see my biosketch. Pure ego, not a "get
    rich scheme," because there is nothing sold there. Not even one lonely
    Google ad.

    But when it comes to you, all is mystery. Good luck finding out
    anything about our Internet cop, eh Mark!

    Dave

  13. #13
    Mark Thorson Guest

    Default Re: Reducing Cancer Danger (HCA) on Grilled Meats

    Dave the SPAMMER wrote:
    >
    > You try to control everyone's access to information, claiming
    > "spam" when you haven't even looked at what I write. I put the
    > entire article up, not some teaser. The link is there if people
    > want to look at what I write and what I do, or to see my
    > biosketch. Pure ego, not a "get rich scheme," because there
    > is nothing sold there. Not even one lonely Google ad.


    Do you deny saying this in a posting made on
    7/21/07:

    > On occasion, I will mention a product that
    > I am affiliated with, and this is clearly
    > presented in the text. That only happens
    > in about one out of ten or twelve posts.


    Certainly, when you promote products you
    are "affiliated with", you are advertising.
    That makes it a commercial web site, and
    it makes you a spammer. Spam has no place
    in a non-commercial discussion newsgroup.
    When this is pointed out, you respond with
    insults and lies. Your behavior is truly
    loathesome.

  14. #14
    Cindy Hamilton Guest

    Default Re: Reducing Cancer Danger (HCA) on Grilled Meats

    On Jul 30, 6:07*pm, Christopher Helms <Chrishelms...@yahoo.com> wrote:
    > On Jul 30, 2:49*pm, Cindy Hamilton <angelicapagane...@hotmail.com>
    > wrote:
    >
    > > On Jul 30, 11:03*am, Dave <djense...@cox.net> wrote:

    >
    > > > Cured meats are another story entirely . . . they have far more cancer
    > > > causing agents than meat cooked on the grill.

    >
    > > Thanks, but no thanks. *I'll eat my meat grilled and my bacon crispy.
    > > I just don't have it in me to worry about cancer.

    >
    > > Cindy Hamilton

    >
    > Every time you turn around, somebody is banging on the cancer risk
    > panic button. They've done it over bacon, coffee, sacchran, cell
    > phones, fried food, grilled food, smoked food, meat, processed meat,
    > Allar, free radicals, preservatives, plastic water bottles, the sun
    > and anyone smoking a Chesterfield within a thousand yards of me. They
    > have screamed Wolf! so many times that I don't even listen to them
    > anymore. Besides, I'd rather die of cancer at 50 than live to 85 or so
    > nibbling on raw bean sprouts and organic acorns and living in abject
    > terror of every other food item in the universe.


    Well, I've made it past 50. I'll probably die of a heart attack.
    Preferably
    the one you didn't see coming and weren't aware you were having.
    But not just yet, please.

    Cindy Hamilton

  15. #15
    Jean B. Guest

    Default Re: Reducing Cancer Danger (HCA) on Grilled Meats

    Nina wrote:

    > I don't know. I always said *exactly* that. And then I watched both
    > my uncle and my mother die of cancer, just recently, and you really
    > kind of don't look at anything the same way ever again.
    >
    > So while I think that the grill thing is nonsense, I think long and
    > hard about consuming "foods" that are overly processed or basically
    > just chemicals (I know, everything is chemicals, but I mean things
    > like Nutrasweet). It's harder to dismiss it all completely. Makes
    > you think that you should at least have some kind of stab at spreading
    > out the odds.
    >
    > Not trying to be a wet blanket here, but it's hard to get it out of
    > your mind when you watch the process.
    >

    I understand that. After my mom died of pancreatic cancer, I became a
    vegetarian for several years. It made me feel like I might have some
    control over my destiny. I still do avoid things--and this whole issue
    is one reason why my current consumption of sausages (albeit uncured
    etc.) is odd. I really need to stop that.

    --
    Jean B.


  16. #16
    Dave Guest

    Default Re: Reducing Cancer Danger (HCA) on Grilled Meats

    On Jul 31, 6:43*am, "Jean B." <jb...@rcn.com> wrote:
    > Nina wrote:
    > > I don't know. *I always said *exactly* that. *And then I watched both
    > > my uncle and my mother die of cancer, just recently, and you really
    > > kind of don't look at anything the same way ever again.

    >
    > > So while I think that the grill thing is nonsense, I think long and
    > > hard about consuming "foods" that are overly processed or basically
    > > just chemicals (I know, everything is chemicals, but I mean things
    > > like Nutrasweet). *It's harder to dismiss it all completely. *Makes
    > > you think that you should at least have some kind of stab at spreading
    > > out the odds.

    >
    > > Not trying to be a wet blanket here, but it's hard to get it out of
    > > your mind when you watch the process.

    >
    > I understand that. *After my mom died of pancreatic cancer, I became a
    > vegetarian for several years. *It made me feel like I might have some
    > control over my destiny. *I still do avoid things--and this whole issue
    > is one reason why my current consumption of sausages (albeit uncured
    > etc.) is odd. *I really need to stop that.
    >
    > --
    > Jean B.


    Jean, the same thing happened to me. My dad died of cancer, in his
    early 60's, and so I tried to "clean up my act" for quite some time,
    but I've slipped back into most of my old eating habits. I must admit
    that I felt the best when I was a veggie -- it was indeed a good,
    healthy feeling (perhaps its in the head). But it was impossible when
    my family wasn't supporting it, and my wife and son were sitting there
    eating a filet mignon and I had a salad in front of me. The family
    peer pressure snapped me out of that after about 8 or 9 months.

    Still, its funny, but when you mention something about health on RFC,
    people ALWAYS come out in support of their poor eating habits. Hey, we
    all do it, but it doesn't hurt now and again to at least confront our
    eating habits and think about ways that we can improve them for our
    own health. I think the problem is, as someone put it in the string
    above, that just above everything that tastes good has been nailed by
    the health police at one time or another.

    Dave

  17. #17
    Jean B. Guest

    Default Re: Reducing Cancer Danger (HCA) on Grilled Meats

    Dave wrote:
    > On Jul 31, 6:43 am, "Jean B." <jb...@rcn.com> wrote:
    >> Nina wrote:
    >>> I don't know. I always said *exactly* that. And then I watched both
    >>> my uncle and my mother die of cancer, just recently, and you really
    >>> kind of don't look at anything the same way ever again.
    >>> So while I think that the grill thing is nonsense, I think long and
    >>> hard about consuming "foods" that are overly processed or basically
    >>> just chemicals (I know, everything is chemicals, but I mean things
    >>> like Nutrasweet). It's harder to dismiss it all completely. Makes
    >>> you think that you should at least have some kind of stab at spreading
    >>> out the odds.
    >>> Not trying to be a wet blanket here, but it's hard to get it out of
    >>> your mind when you watch the process.

    >> I understand that. After my mom died of pancreatic cancer, I became a
    >> vegetarian for several years. It made me feel like I might have some
    >> control over my destiny. I still do avoid things--and this whole issue
    >> is one reason why my current consumption of sausages (albeit uncured
    >> etc.) is odd. I really need to stop that.
    >>
    >> --
    >> Jean B.

    >
    > Jean, the same thing happened to me. My dad died of cancer, in his
    > early 60's, and so I tried to "clean up my act" for quite some time,
    > but I've slipped back into most of my old eating habits. I must admit
    > that I felt the best when I was a veggie -- it was indeed a good,
    > healthy feeling (perhaps its in the head). But it was impossible when
    > my family wasn't supporting it, and my wife and son were sitting there
    > eating a filet mignon and I had a salad in front of me. The family
    > peer pressure snapped me out of that after about 8 or 9 months.
    >
    > Still, its funny, but when you mention something about health on RFC,
    > people ALWAYS come out in support of their poor eating habits. Hey, we
    > all do it, but it doesn't hurt now and again to at least confront our
    > eating habits and think about ways that we can improve them for our
    > own health. I think the problem is, as someone put it in the string
    > above, that just above everything that tastes good has been nailed by
    > the health police at one time or another.
    >
    > Dave


    Well, I agree with all of this--and I still think I should get back to
    more of a straight and narrow diet.... Actually, I could do that and
    lose weight too, I guess. Mostly fruits and veggies. Grains and
    legumes. I think the way we eat has little to do with what our bodies
    actually require now.

    Your family made a healthier way of eating difficult for you just as my
    daughter makes it hard for me. Her eating habits aren't excatly My
    ideal, to say the least. And there is food here for her and her friends....

    --
    Jean B.

  18. #18
    blake murphy Guest

    Default Re: Reducing Cancer Danger (HCA) on Grilled Meats

    On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 10:44:40 -0700, Mark Thorson <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    >Dave the blogspot SPAMMER wrote:
    >>
    >> Three commercial spice-containing marinade blends (caribbean,
    >> southwest, and herb) on round beef steaks were tested by researchers
    >> from Kansas State University on grilled steaks. The steaks were
    >> marinated for one hour and then grilled at 400 degrees Fahrenheit.

    >
    >Note that the risk from grilled meats is nearly
    >insignificant. Of course, the blogspot spammer
    >won't tell you that, because he's trying to use
    >fear to drive traffic to his commercial blogspot
    >web site.
    >
    >Here's a table of relative risks from
    >
    >http://zoology.muohio.edu/oris/ZOO46...s/15b_462.html
    >
    >Note how 100 charcoal broiled steaks compares to
    >40 tablespoons of peanut butter or half liter of wine.
    >There is absolutely no reason to be concerned about
    >this risk, when there are so many other risks that
    >completely dwarf this one. When you put the risk
    >in perspective, it removes the rational basis for
    >fear. But then it wouldn't be such a good story
    >for the spammer to exploit.
    >


    trepidation is an essential food group for some people.

    your pal,
    blake

  19. #19
    blake murphy Guest

    Default Re: Reducing Cancer Danger (HCA) on Grilled Meats

    On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 11:53:45 -0700 (PDT), Dave <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    >On Jul 30, 10:44*am, Mark Thorson <nos...@sonic.net> wrote:
    >> Dave the blogspot SPAMMER wrote:
    >>

    >
    >It's interesting how a pharmaceutical/chemical industry tout like you
    >can come on here and talk about cancer risk, when your whole
    >livelihood and interests deals with chemicals that can hurt the human
    >body. Mark, are you aware that your industry KILLS tens of thousands
    >of people every year when people like you formulate these products?
    >


    mark thorson is a chemical industry tout? most of us here think he's
    even more of a nervous nellie than you appear to be.

    blake

  20. #20
    Dave Guest

    Default Re: Reducing Cancer Danger (HCA) on Grilled Meats

    On Jul 31, 10:24*am, blake murphy <blakepmNOTT...@verizon.net> wrote:
    > On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 11:53:45 -0700 (PDT), Dave <djense...@cox.net>
    > wrote:
    >
    > >On Jul 30, 10:44*am, Mark Thorson <nos...@sonic.net> wrote:
    > >> Dave the blogspot SPAMMER wrote:

    >
    > >It's interesting how a pharmaceutical/chemical industry tout like you
    > >can come on here and talk about cancer risk, when your whole
    > >livelihood and interests deals with chemicals that can hurt the human
    > >body. Mark, are you aware that your industry KILLS tens of thousands
    > >of people every year when people like you formulate these products?

    >
    > mark thorson is a chemical industry tout? *most of us here think he's
    > even more of a nervous nellie than you appear to be.
    >
    > blake


    Blake, read his posts in other newsgroups, in the chemical groups.
    I'll admit that most of what Mark says on this forum has value. But in
    some newsgroups his comments are primarily name calling and flames.
    I'm ashamed to admit that I will follow suit when attacked - and this
    forum deserves more than that. Sorry.

    Dave

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