Thread: Re: Texting in emergencies and 911...

In article <[email protected]>,
The Cook <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Thu, 19 May 2011 19:14:01 -0500, Omelet <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> >Just called our local police dispatch people (NOT 911, I know better
> >than that!) and asked them about texting 911 if you had an invader and
> >had to remain silent...
> >
> >They said they are working on that technology but it was better, even
> >with a pre-paid phone, to try to call 911, quietly give them your
> >location and leave the line open at that point if you had to remain
> >silent.
> >
> >That seems to be the state of the art for now.
> >
> >I have a land line in my bedroom that has no other connections in the
> >rest of the house, so I could call from there, remain totally silent and
> >they could track the address direct since it is a land line.
> >
> >They cannot track most cell phones and especially pre-paid phones
> >without at least a few second voice connection to you telling them where
> >you are so they could dispatch. They can get your approximate location
> >by triangulating towers, but that takes time.
> >
> >For those that have given up land lines totally, it's not a good idea at
> >this present time if you have a real emergency and need help soonest.
>
>
> I'm not sure that remaining silent is the best idea. I think that as
> soon as you have made the connection to 911 start talking as loud as
> you can. "Hello, 911. I have an intruder in my house." Wonder how
> many intruders would stick around after hearing that?

I think the sound of chambering the Mossberg would scare off even more...
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Sycophant wrote:

>> I'm not sure that remaining silent is the best idea. I think that as
>> soon as you have made the connection to 911 start talking as loud as
>> you can. "Hello, 911. I have an intruder in my house." Wonder how
>> many intruders would stick around after hearing that?
>
> I think the sound of chambering the Mossberg would scare off even more...

....except that they'd just set your house on fire out of spite because you
didn't cooperate with them. It wouldn't have to be right at that moment, but
you have to sleep sometime.

It's really best not to engage in scare tactics with violent criminals. It's
likely to bring out their worst qualities.

Bob

Omelet <[email protected]> wrote in newsmpomelet-8B11B4.06331303062011
@news.giganews.com:

> In article <[email protected]>,
> The Cook <[email protected]> wrote:
>

>> I'm not sure that remaining silent is the best idea. I think that as
>> soon as you have made the connection to 911 start talking as loud as
>> you can. "Hello, 911. I have an intruder in my house." Wonder how
>> many intruders would stick around after hearing that?
>
> I think the sound of chambering the Mossberg would scare off even more...




The sound of the ****er going off would be even better :-)


But it wouldn't matter if you hit the assholes.



--
Peter Lucas
Hobart
Tasmania

Nothing ever truely dies
the Universe wastes nothing
everything is simply... transformed

On Fri, 3 Jun 2011 05:10:44 -0700, "Bob Terwilliger"
<virtualgoth@die_spammer.biz> wrote:

>Sycophant wrote:
>
>>> I'm not sure that remaining silent is the best idea. I think that as
>>> soon as you have made the connection to 911 start talking as loud as
>>> you can. "Hello, 911. I have an intruder in my house." Wonder how
>>> many intruders would stick around after hearing that?
>>
>> I think the sound of chambering the Mossberg would scare off even more...
>
>...except that they'd just set your house on fire out of spite because you
>didn't cooperate with them. It wouldn't have to be right at that moment, but
>you have to sleep sometime.
>
>It's really best not to engage in scare tactics with violent criminals. It's
>likely to bring out their worst qualities.
>
>Bob
>

The common burglar probably would not recognize the sound of
chambering a Mossberg but a voice saying "911, I've got an intruder"
would probably resonate with even the dumbest intruder. And if they
know the sound of chambering they probably have equal fire power.
--
Susan N.

"Moral indignation is in most cases two percent moral,
48 percent indignation, and 50 percent envy."
Vittorio De Sica, Italian movie director (1901-1974)

On Fri, 3 Jun 2011 05:10:44 -0700, "Bob Terwilliger"
<virtualgoth@die_spammer.biz> wrote:

> It's really best not to engage in scare tactics with violent criminals. It's
> likely to bring out their worst qualities.

Especially when they're high, which they can be during a crime.

--

Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.

On Fri, 3 Jun 2011 05:10:44 -0700, Bob Terwilliger wrote:

> Sycophant wrote:
>
>>> I'm not sure that remaining silent is the best idea. I think that as
>>> soon as you have made the connection to 911 start talking as loud as
>>> you can. "Hello, 911. I have an intruder in my house." Wonder how
>>> many intruders would stick around after hearing that?
>>
>> I think the sound of chambering the Mossberg would scare off even more...
>
> ...except that they'd just set your house on fire out of spite because you
> didn't cooperate with them. It wouldn't have to be right at that moment, but
> you have to sleep sometime.
>
> It's really best not to engage in scare tactics with violent criminals. It's
> likely to bring out their worst qualities.
>
> Bob

but om gets a girly hard-on thinking about shooting an intruder.

your pal,
blake

I'm back. wrote:
> Omelet <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> I think the sound of chambering the Mossberg would scare off even more...

Exactly. The vast majority of firearm uses with humans are to show it
or to make its noise and that's all it takes. Even armed burglars tend
to be burglars because they don't want the danger of doing armed
robberies. Except for the home invasion folks; at least they are a
minority.

> The sound of the ****er going off would be even better :-)

Followed by the words "freeze or I'll shoot you, too".

On Fri, 3 Jun 2011 12:57:28 -0400, blake murphy
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On Fri, 3 Jun 2011 05:10:44 -0700, Bob Terwilliger wrote:
>
>> Sycophant wrote:
>>
>>>> I'm not sure that remaining silent is the best idea. I think that as
>>>> soon as you have made the connection to 911 start talking as loud as
>>>> you can. "Hello, 911. I have an intruder in my house." Wonder how
>>>> many intruders would stick around after hearing that?
>>>
>>> I think the sound of chambering the Mossberg would scare off even more...
>>
>> ...except that they'd just set your house on fire out of spite because you
>> didn't cooperate with them. It wouldn't have to be right at that moment, but
>> you have to sleep sometime.
>>
>> It's really best not to engage in scare tactics with violent criminals. It's
>> likely to bring out their worst qualities.
>>
>> Bob
>
>but om gets a girly hard-on thinking about shooting an intruder.
>
>your pal,
>blake

In her case she should offer the intruder a strong drink and go put
some romantic music on. Maybe cut some holes in a pillow case to put
over her head.

Lou

Nobody can enter my home without triggering the security system.

I don't walk around the house carrying a gun but I do when I step outside.
"Bear repellant!"

Andy

In article <[email protected]>, susan_r23666
@yahoo.com says...
>
> On Fri, 3 Jun 2011 05:10:44 -0700, "Bob Terwilliger"
> <virtualgoth@die_spammer.biz> wrote:
>
> >Sycophant wrote:
> >
> >>> I'm not sure that remaining silent is the best idea. I think that as
> >>> soon as you have made the connection to 911 start talking as loud as
> >>> you can. "Hello, 911. I have an intruder in my house." Wonder how
> >>> many intruders would stick around after hearing that?
> >>
> >> I think the sound of chambering the Mossberg would scare off even more...
> >
> >...except that they'd just set your house on fire out of spite because you
> >didn't cooperate with them. It wouldn't have to be right at that moment, but
> >you have to sleep sometime.
> >
> >It's really best not to engage in scare tactics with violent criminals. It's
> >likely to bring out their worst qualities.
> >
> >Bob
> >
>
> The common burglar probably would not recognize the sound of
> chambering a Mossberg but a voice saying "911, I've got an intruder"
> would probably resonate with even the dumbest intruder. And if they
> know the sound of chambering they probably have equal fire power.

Anybody who watches cop shows or action movies knows the sound of a 12
gage chambering a round. And many burglars aren't armed with anything
more dangerous than the pry bar they used to get in.

Yeah if some bunch of nuts with machine guns and body armor wants you
dead a 12 gage probably won't deter them. But that sort of thing is
far, far more common in fiction than in reality.

In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
says...
>
> On Fri, 3 Jun 2011 05:10:44 -0700, "Bob Terwilliger"
> <virtualgoth@die_spammer.biz> wrote:
>
> > It's really best not to engage in scare tactics with violent criminals. It's
> > likely to bring out their worst qualities.
>
> Especially when they're high, which they can be during a crime.

If it's a home invasion it's more likely that they're _not_ high but are
attempting to steal something they can sell so that they can _get_ high.

In any case, if the shotgun doesn't _scare_ them, then you use it to
_shoot_ them. And then, shotguns being what they are, they generally
cease to be a danger to _anybody_.

On Fri, 3 Jun 2011 15:42:07 -0400, "J. Clarke" <[email protected]>
wrote:

> In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
> says...
> >
> > On Fri, 3 Jun 2011 05:10:44 -0700, "Bob Terwilliger"
> > <virtualgoth@die_spammer.biz> wrote:
> >
> > > It's really best not to engage in scare tactics with violent criminals. It's
> > > likely to bring out their worst qualities.
> >
> > Especially when they're high, which they can be during a crime.
>
> If it's a home invasion it's more likely that they're _not_ high but are
> attempting to steal something they can sell so that they can _get_ high.
>
> In any case, if the shotgun doesn't _scare_ them, then you use it to
> _shoot_ them. And then, shotguns being what they are, they generally
> cease to be a danger to _anybody_.
>
I doubt you'd be able to get to your shotgun fast enough if they're
bold and determined enough to break into an occupied space.

--

Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.

In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
says...
>
> On Fri, 3 Jun 2011 15:42:07 -0400, "J. Clarke" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> > In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
> > says...
> > >
> > > On Fri, 3 Jun 2011 05:10:44 -0700, "Bob Terwilliger"
> > > <virtualgoth@die_spammer.biz> wrote:
> > >
> > > > It's really best not to engage in scare tactics with violent criminals. It's
> > > > likely to bring out their worst qualities.
> > >
> > > Especially when they're high, which they can be during a crime.
> >
> > If it's a home invasion it's more likely that they're _not_ high but are
> > attempting to steal something they can sell so that they can _get_ high.
> >
> > In any case, if the shotgun doesn't _scare_ them, then you use it to
> > _shoot_ them. And then, shotguns being what they are, they generally
> > cease to be a danger to _anybody_.
> >
> I doubt you'd be able to get to your shotgun fast enough if they're
> bold and determined enough to break into an occupied space.

You can come up with a scenarion in which being surrounded by armed
Marines wouldn't protect you. You do the best you can with what you've
got.

If they knew the space was occupied, and if it was a small space, your
viewpoint is no doubt correct. However if they didn't know then they
aren't necessarily as bold and determined as you believe, and if it's a
typical modern house with two floors, and one sleeps on the second
floor, that buys quite enough time to "get to it". Just how long do you
think it takes to pull a shotgun off a shelf anyway?

Look, if you don't want to be armed that's your choice. But if your
argument is that nobody should be because it's ineffective then you
should insist that the police quit wasting money on all those silly
worthless firearms.

On Fri, 3 Jun 2011 18:35:43 -0400, "J. Clarke" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>
> If they knew the space was occupied, and if it was a small space, your
> viewpoint is no doubt correct. However if they didn't know then they
> aren't necessarily as bold and determined as you believe, and if it's a
> typical modern house with two floors, and one sleeps on the second
> floor, that buys quite enough time to "get to it". Just how long do you
> think it takes to pull a shotgun off a shelf anyway?
>
> Look, if you don't want to be armed that's your choice. But if your
> argument is that nobody should be because it's ineffective then you
> should insist that the police quit wasting money on all those silly
> worthless firearms.
>
What nut wouldn't think you'd be somewhere inside if it's the middle
of the night? One that's drugged up and otherwise unreasonable. So,
if the house is that big and somehow you know that they're there
before they know you're there, I think you're wasting your time
pulling out a gun and acting all macho when you should be getting out
of there.

--

Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut that held its ground.

In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
says...
>
> On Fri, 3 Jun 2011 18:35:43 -0400, "J. Clarke" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> >
> > If they knew the space was occupied, and if it was a small space, your
> > viewpoint is no doubt correct. However if they didn't know then they
> > aren't necessarily as bold and determined as you believe, and if it's a
> > typical modern house with two floors, and one sleeps on the second
> > floor, that buys quite enough time to "get to it". Just how long do you
> > think it takes to pull a shotgun off a shelf anyway?
> >
> > Look, if you don't want to be armed that's your choice. But if your
> > argument is that nobody should be because it's ineffective then you
> > should insist that the police quit wasting money on all those silly
> > worthless firearms.
> >
> What nut wouldn't think you'd be somewhere inside if it's the middle
> of the night?

Someone who's seen you leave and not seen you come back? This may come
as a shock to you but everyody isn't at home in their own bed at
midnight. Some people are out carousing. Others are in someone else's
home in someone else's bed. Others are working the graveyard shift.
Others are out of town on vacation. And what makes you think it's going
to be in the middle of the night? Many burglaries take place during the
day when the burglar thinks that the occupants are at work.

> One that's drugged up and otherwise unreasonable.

More likely one who made a mistake, either inadequate pre-burglary
surveillance or trusting a cohort to do same and then going to the wrong
location. Or simply not doing it "in the middle of the night".

> So,
> if the house is that big

It's not particularly big.

> and somehow you know that they're there
> before they know you're there,

Generally a certain amount of noise is attendant on breaking down a door
or busting a window you know.

> I think you're wasting your time
> pulling out a gun and acting all macho when you should be getting out
> of there.

What, I'm supposed to jump out a second story window? The only way out
that doesn't risk a broken leg is past the intruder.

There's no "macho" involved. I am an abject coward and freely admit it.

You really really should find a cop and talk to him about home
invasions. They don't usually go the way you seem to think that they
do. It's not usually some drug-addled supersoldier in body armor with a
machine gun. It's usually some stupid kid who maybe has a knife.

Lou replied to blake:

>> om gets a girly hard-on thinking about shooting an intruder.
>>
> In her case she should offer the intruder a strong drink and go put
> some romantic music on. Maybe cut some holes in a pillow case to put
> over her head.

1. I think she can borrow a pre-cut pillow case from Billy.

2. What would she use to cover the rest of herself so that the intruder
wouldn't be sickened?

Bob

In article <[email protected]>,
"I'm back." <[email protected]> wrote:

> Omelet <[email protected]> wrote in newsmpomelet-8B11B4.06331303062011
> @news.giganews.com:
>
> > In article <[email protected]>,
> > The Cook <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
>
> >> I'm not sure that remaining silent is the best idea. I think that as
> >> soon as you have made the connection to 911 start talking as loud as
> >> you can. "Hello, 911. I have an intruder in my house." Wonder how
> >> many intruders would stick around after hearing that?
> >
> > I think the sound of chambering the Mossberg would scare off even more...
>
>
>
>
> The sound of the ****er going off would be even better :-)
>
>
> But it wouldn't matter if you hit the assholes.

Depends on what you had it loaded with... ;-)
Honest to gods, I've considered trying to find a local shotshell
reloader and having rock salt loads created.
--
Peace, Om
Web Albums: <http://picasaweb.google.com/OMPOmelet>

"Politics is supposed to be the second oldest profession. I have
come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first."
-- Mark Twain

In article <[email protected]>,
The Cook <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Fri, 3 Jun 2011 05:10:44 -0700, "Bob Terwilliger"
> <virtualgoth@die_spammer.biz> wrote:
>
> >Sycophant wrote:
> >
> >>> I'm not sure that remaining silent is the best idea. I think that as
> >>> soon as you have made the connection to 911 start talking as loud as
> >>> you can. "Hello, 911. I have an intruder in my house." Wonder how
> >>> many intruders would stick around after hearing that?
> >>
> >> I think the sound of chambering the Mossberg would scare off even more...
> >
> >...except that they'd just set your house on fire out of spite because you
> >didn't cooperate with them. It wouldn't have to be right at that moment, but
> >you have to sleep sometime.
> >
> >It's really best not to engage in scare tactics with violent criminals. It's
> >likely to bring out their worst qualities.
> >
> >Bob

That is why most self-defense classes advise you do not warn intruders.
You simply shoot them.

> >
>
> The common burglar probably would not recognize the sound of
> chambering a Mossberg but a voice saying "911, I've got an intruder"
> would probably resonate with even the dumbest intruder. And if they
> know the sound of chambering they probably have equal fire power.

I'll take a shotgun over a Saturday Night Special any day.
--
Peace, Om
Web Albums: <http://picasaweb.google.com/OMPOmelet>

"Politics is supposed to be the second oldest profession. I have
come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first."
-- Mark Twain

In article <[email protected]>,
sf <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Fri, 3 Jun 2011 05:10:44 -0700, "Bob Terwilliger"
> <virtualgoth@die_spammer.biz> wrote:
>
> > It's really best not to engage in scare tactics with violent criminals. It's
> > likely to bring out their worst qualities.
>
> Especially when they're high, which they can be during a crime.

Which is why you don't give them a chance.

Letting them HEAR you making said aloud announcement to 911 is a sure
death sentence. If you are unarmed, hiding and remaining silent is your
safest bet.

That is why 911 is trying to develop software for text messaging.
--
Peace, Om
Web Albums: <http://picasaweb.google.com/OMPOmelet>

"Politics is supposed to be the second oldest profession. I have
come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first."
-- Mark Twain