Thread: Re: Open Letter to the World

On Fri, 23 Jan 2009 20:01:42 -0800, "Bob Terwilliger"
<virtualgoth@die_spammer.biz> wrote:

>sf wrote:
>
>> Got this today and decided to pass it on. "OT" will keep it from
>> those who have filtered Off Topic posts like this.
>> ``````````````````
>>
>> Dear World:
>>
>> We, the United States of America, your top quality supplier of ideals
>> of democracy, would like to apologize for our 2001-2008 interruption
>> in service. The technical fault that led to this eight-year service
>> outage has been located, and the software responsible was replaced
>> November 4.
>>
>> Early tests of the newly installed program indicate that we are now
>> operating correctly, and we expect it to be fully functional from
>> January 20th forward. We apologize for any inconvenience caused by the
>> outage. We look forward to resuming full service and hope to improve
>> in years to come.
>>
>> We thank you for your patience and understanding.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
>
>
>That's pretty funny, all right. I'm going to save it and maybe re-post it in
>a year or two to remind you about how you felt on this date.

Tee-Hee. People want change so bad they don't care what the changes
are or if the changes are even good.

Lou

Lou Decruss wrote:

> On Fri, 23 Jan 2009 20:01:42 -0800, "Bob Terwilliger"
> <virtualgoth@die_spammer.biz> wrote:
>
> >sf wrote:
> >
> >> Got this today and decided to pass it on. "OT" will keep it from
> >> those who have filtered Off Topic posts like this.
> >> ``````````````````
> >>
> >> Dear World:
> >>
> >> We, the United States of America, your top quality supplier of ideals
> >> of democracy, would like to apologize for our 2001-2008 interruption
> >> in service. The technical fault that led to this eight-year service
> >> outage has been located, and the software responsible was replaced
> >> November 4.
> >>
> >> Early tests of the newly installed program indicate that we are now
> >> operating correctly, and we expect it to be fully functional from
> >> January 20th forward. We apologize for any inconvenience caused by the
> >> outage. We look forward to resuming full service and hope to improve
> >> in years to come.
> >>
> >> We thank you for your patience and understanding.
> >>
> >> Sincerely,
> >> THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
> >
> >
> >That's pretty funny, all right. I'm going to save it and maybe re-post it
in
> >a year or two to remind you about how you felt on this date.
>
> Tee-Hee. People want change so bad they don't care what the changes
> are or if the changes are even good.


Many public opinion polls taken in various countries re: attitudes during
the United States were just as negative towards the US during the Clintoon
years - he was supposedly the world's "darling" - as during the tenure of
Bush or other "unpopular" presidents.

In any case we don't owe the "world" any sort of "apology"...


--
Best
Greg

On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 12:02:10 -0600, "Gregory Morrow"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>
>Lou Decruss wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 23 Jan 2009 20:01:42 -0800, "Bob Terwilliger"
>> <virtualgoth@die_spammer.biz> wrote:
>>
>> >sf wrote:
>> >
>> >> Got this today and decided to pass it on. "OT" will keep it from
>> >> those who have filtered Off Topic posts like this.
>> >> ``````````````````
>> >>
>> >> Dear World:
>> >>
>> >> We, the United States of America, your top quality supplier of ideals
>> >> of democracy, would like to apologize for our 2001-2008 interruption
>> >> in service. The technical fault that led to this eight-year service
>> >> outage has been located, and the software responsible was replaced
>> >> November 4.
>> >>
>> >> Early tests of the newly installed program indicate that we are now
>> >> operating correctly, and we expect it to be fully functional from
>> >> January 20th forward. We apologize for any inconvenience caused by the
>> >> outage. We look forward to resuming full service and hope to improve
>> >> in years to come.
>> >>
>> >> We thank you for your patience and understanding.
>> >>
>> >> Sincerely,
>> >> THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
>> >
>> >
>> >That's pretty funny, all right. I'm going to save it and maybe re-post it
>in
>> >a year or two to remind you about how you felt on this date.
>>
>> Tee-Hee. People want change so bad they don't care what the changes
>> are or if the changes are even good.
>
>
>Many public opinion polls taken in various countries re: attitudes during
>the United States were just as negative towards the US during the Clintoon
>years - he was supposedly the world's "darling" - as during the tenure of
>Bush or other "unpopular" presidents.
>
>In any case we don't owe the "world" any sort of "apology"...

Yup. That letter was penned by an idiot. The only time the world
likes us is when we send aid. I'm not current on what's happening
with the 400 mil for the contraceptives bill that was sneaked in on
Friday afternoon but WE deserve an apology for not using that money
here. I think they should be issued free HERE at every school and
trailer park across the nation. I don't even have a problem with free
abortions as long as they have their tubes tied at the same time. And
then find the father and snip his nuts. The country would be a much
better place.

Lou

On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 12:02:10 -0600, Gregory Morrow wrote:

> Lou Decruss wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 23 Jan 2009 20:01:42 -0800, "Bob Terwilliger"
>> <virtualgoth@die_spammer.biz> wrote:
>>
>>>sf wrote:
>>>
>>>> Got this today and decided to pass it on. "OT" will keep it from
>>>> those who have filtered Off Topic posts like this.
>>>> ``````````````````
>>>>
>>>> Dear World:
>>>>
>>>> We, the United States of America, your top quality supplier of ideals
>>>> of democracy, would like to apologize for our 2001-2008 interruption
>>>> in service. The technical fault that led to this eight-year service
>>>> outage has been located, and the software responsible was replaced
>>>> November 4.
>>>>
>>>> Early tests of the newly installed program indicate that we are now
>>>> operating correctly, and we expect it to be fully functional from
>>>> January 20th forward. We apologize for any inconvenience caused by the
>>>> outage. We look forward to resuming full service and hope to improve
>>>> in years to come.
>>>>
>>>> We thank you for your patience and understanding.
>>>>
>>>> Sincerely,
>>>> THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
>>>
>>>
>>>That's pretty funny, all right. I'm going to save it and maybe re-post it
> in
>>>a year or two to remind you about how you felt on this date.
>>
>> Tee-Hee. People want change so bad they don't care what the changes
>> are or if the changes are even good.
>
> Many public opinion polls taken in various countries re: attitudes during
> the United States were just as negative towards the US during the Clintoon
> years - he was supposedly the world's "darling" - as during the tenure of
> Bush or other "unpopular" presidents.
>
> In any case we don't owe the "world" any sort of "apology"...

what does clinton have to do with anything?

people around the world were very happy to see obama win the election:

<http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-fg-worldreax6-2008nov06,0,3267776.story>

<http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/the_real_american_idol/article1898567.ece>

....as well they should be. no more of bush's reverse midas touch.

your pal,
blake

In article <1i9hyy1z11ih8$.[email protected]>,
blake murphy <[email protected]> wrote:


> > Lou Decruss wrote:
> >
> >> On Fri, 23 Jan 2009 20:01:42 -0800, "Bob Terwilliger"
> >> <virtualgoth@die_spammer.biz> wrote:

> >>>That's pretty funny, all right. I'm going to save it and maybe re-post it
> > in
> >>>a year or two to remind you about how you felt on this date.
> >>
> >> Tee-Hee. People want change so bad they don't care what the changes
> >> are or if the changes are even good.

> people around the world were very happy to see obama win the election:

[snip]

> ...as well they should be. no more of bush's reverse midas touch.

Back before Obama got the Democratic nomination, I was so sick of his
"change" crap that I was almost ready not to vote for him. In fact, I
didn't vote for him, but that was because I'm not a registered Democrat
in California. Still, I *hate* it when politicians push change, with no
concept of what we are changing it *into*.

But after it was narrowed down to McCain and Obama, they were both into
"change". Everytime Obama or Biden mentioned Bush, McCain or Palin
would complain that we shouldn't look backward, we should look forward.
They were going to make a "change". So it really wasn't an election
between business as usual (bank failures, housing market collapse and
Wall Street in the dirt) and "change", it was whether the US wanted
change from one party or change from the other. Frankly, I had trouble
seeing the change with McCain, even though that was pretty much a major
component of his campaign.

If we look at things in a year or two, of course Obama is going to fail
to pull us out of where we are at. But McCain couldn't have pulled us
out either. Things are going down, and they will continue to go down.

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA
[email protected]

blake murphy wrote:

> On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 12:02:10 -0600, Gregory Morrow wrote:
>
> > Lou Decruss wrote:
> >
> >> On Fri, 23 Jan 2009 20:01:42 -0800, "Bob Terwilliger"
> >> <virtualgoth@die_spammer.biz> wrote:
> >>
> >>>sf wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Got this today and decided to pass it on. "OT" will keep it from
> >>>> those who have filtered Off Topic posts like this.
> >>>> ``````````````````
> >>>>
> >>>> Dear World:
> >>>>
> >>>> We, the United States of America, your top quality supplier of ideals
> >>>> of democracy, would like to apologize for our 2001-2008 interruption
> >>>> in service. The technical fault that led to this eight-year service
> >>>> outage has been located, and the software responsible was replaced
> >>>> November 4.
> >>>>
> >>>> Early tests of the newly installed program indicate that we are now
> >>>> operating correctly, and we expect it to be fully functional from
> >>>> January 20th forward. We apologize for any inconvenience caused by
the
> >>>> outage. We look forward to resuming full service and hope to improve
> >>>> in years to come.
> >>>>
> >>>> We thank you for your patience and understanding.
> >>>>
> >>>> Sincerely,
> >>>> THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>That's pretty funny, all right. I'm going to save it and maybe re-post
it
> > in
> >>>a year or two to remind you about how you felt on this date.
> >>
> >> Tee-Hee. People want change so bad they don't care what the changes
> >> are or if the changes are even good.
> >
> > Many public opinion polls taken in various countries re: attitudes
during
> > the United States were just as negative towards the US during the
Clintoon
> > years - he was supposedly the world's "darling" - as during the tenure
of
> > Bush or other "unpopular" presidents.
> >
> > In any case we don't owe the "world" any sort of "apology"...
>
> what does clinton have to do with anything?


I thought all the world "adored" him...


> people around the world were very happy to see obama win the election:
>
>
<http://www.latimes.com/news/politics...06,0,3267776.s
tory>
>
>
<http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...dol/article189
8567.ece>
>
> ...as well they should be. no more of bush's reverse midas touch.
>


But some pukes out there just HATE the USA no matter who is POTUS or what we
do, blake...


--
Best
Greg

On Wed, 28 Jan 2009 11:21:17 -0800, Dan Abel wrote:

> In article <1i9hyy1z11ih8$.[email protected]>,
> blake murphy <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>> Lou Decruss wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 23 Jan 2009 20:01:42 -0800, "Bob Terwilliger"
>>>> <virtualgoth@die_spammer.biz> wrote:
>
>>>>>That's pretty funny, all right. I'm going to save it and maybe re-post it
>>> in
>>>>>a year or two to remind you about how you felt on this date.
>>>>
>>>> Tee-Hee. People want change so bad they don't care what the changes
>>>> are or if the changes are even good.
>
>> people around the world were very happy to see obama win the election:
>
> [snip]
>
>> ...as well they should be. no more of bush's reverse midas touch.
>
> Back before Obama got the Democratic nomination, I was so sick of his
> "change" crap that I was almost ready not to vote for him. In fact, I
> didn't vote for him, but that was because I'm not a registered Democrat
> in California. Still, I *hate* it when politicians push change, with no
> concept of what we are changing it *into*.
>

obama was pretty explicit about what 'change' would amount to.

your pal,
blake

On Wed, 28 Jan 2009 11:21:17 -0800, Dan Abel <[email protected]> wrote:

>Back before Obama got the Democratic nomination, I was so sick of his
>"change" crap that I was almost ready not to vote for him. In fact, I
>didn't vote for him, but that was because I'm not a registered Democrat
>in California. Still, I *hate* it when politicians push change, with no
>concept of what we are changing it *into*.
>
>But after it was narrowed down to McCain and Obama, they were both into
>"change". Everytime Obama or Biden mentioned Bush, McCain or Palin
>would complain that we shouldn't look backward, we should look forward.
>They were going to make a "change". So it really wasn't an election
>between business as usual (bank failures, housing market collapse and
>Wall Street in the dirt) and "change", it was whether the US wanted
>change from one party or change from the other. Frankly, I had trouble
>seeing the change with McCain, even though that was pretty much a major
>component of his campaign.
>
>If we look at things in a year or two, of course Obama is going to fail
>to pull us out of where we are at. But McCain couldn't have pulled us
>out either. Things are going down, and they will continue to go down.

Very well said Dan. Everyone wants to blame the other guy but not
take any personal responsibility. People living in houses and driving
cars they can't afford, loading up credit cards, changing wardrobes
every year, and just spending like crazy with no thought for the
future. During the Clinton years I made a ****load of money. Same
with the Regan and Bush 1 times. I did save but certainly not enough.
People act so shocked by what's happening now but the writing was on
the wall a few years ago. We changed our lifestyle drastically,
dumped a wonderful house for something more affordable, drive older
cars and work part time jobs doing things that would have seemed
"below" us 20 years ago. We have taken a financial hit from the
economy tanking but not as bad as many others. Personal
responsibility seems to be a thing of the past. I got sick of hearing
change just like you. But I also am sick of all the blaming crap.
Bush is gone and I'm tired of hearing about him. He and his staff
have made some huge mistakes but the American society and way of life
has added just as much to the problem. With the checks and balances
of the congress and OUR VOTES no single person can be blamed for the
mess that the US and the world is in now. And no single person is
going to fix it.

Lou

blake murphy wrote:

> On Wed, 28 Jan 2009 11:21:17 -0800, Dan Abel wrote:
>
> > In article <1i9hyy1z11ih8$.[email protected]>,
> > blake murphy <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> >>> Lou Decruss wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On Fri, 23 Jan 2009 20:01:42 -0800, "Bob Terwilliger"
> >>>> <virtualgoth@die_spammer.biz> wrote:
> >
> >>>>>That's pretty funny, all right. I'm going to save it and maybe
re-post it
> >>> in
> >>>>>a year or two to remind you about how you felt on this date.
> >>>>
> >>>> Tee-Hee. People want change so bad they don't care what the changes
> >>>> are or if the changes are even good.
> >
> >> people around the world were very happy to see obama win the election:
> >
> > [snip]
> >
> >> ...as well they should be. no more of bush's reverse midas touch.
> >
> > Back before Obama got the Democratic nomination, I was so sick of his
> > "change" crap that I was almost ready not to vote for him. In fact, I
> > didn't vote for him, but that was because I'm not a registered Democrat
> > in California. Still, I *hate* it when politicians push change, with no
> > concept of what we are changing it *into*.
> >
>
> obama was pretty explicit about what 'change' would amount to.
>


It's all so very "amorphous", blake...


--
Best
Greg

In article <tqju1q7rtvks$.gtz5dg8dii9v$.[email protected]>,
blake murphy <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Wed, 28 Jan 2009 11:21:17 -0800, Dan Abel wrote:

> > Back before Obama got the Democratic nomination, I was so sick of his
> > "change" crap

> obama was pretty explicit about what 'change' would amount to.

Maybe I wasn't paying enough attention. I wouldn't be surprised. I
just remember this sea of "change". Somebody put together a video that
I saw on Youtube. I wish I had save the URL. It was just the word,
taken out of context from all the candidates. It represented what I was
hearing and seeing. Between the various candidates, perhaps I needed to
dig a little deeper:

* Hillary Clinton, New York Senator
* Barack Obama, Illinois Senator
* John Edwards, former Senator from North Carolina
* Dennis Kucinich, Ohio Congressman, former Mayor of Cleveland
* Bill Richardson, Governor of New Mexico
* Joe Biden, Senator of Delaware
* Chris Dodd, Senator of Connecticut
* Mike Gravel, former Senator
* Al Gore

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA
[email protected]

On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 11:33:09 -0600, "Gregory Morrow"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>
>blake murphy wrote:

>> obama was pretty explicit about what 'change' would amount to.
>>
>
>
>It's all so very "amorphous", blake...

I never herd that word before. I like it.

I think many people heard what they wanted to hear. There was some
lady on CLTV who said everyone deserved to make 30-40 grand a year and
Obama was going to do that for her. Even though she couldn't put a
sentence together.

Those with big incomes heard higher taxes and capital gains.

Lou

On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 11:33:09 -0600, Gregory Morrow wrote:

> blake murphy wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 28 Jan 2009 11:21:17 -0800, Dan Abel wrote:
>>
>>> In article <1i9hyy1z11ih8$.[email protected]>,
>>> blake murphy <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Lou Decruss wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, 23 Jan 2009 20:01:42 -0800, "Bob Terwilliger"
>>>>>> <virtualgoth@die_spammer.biz> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>>That's pretty funny, all right. I'm going to save it and maybe
> re-post it
>>>>> in
>>>>>>>a year or two to remind you about how you felt on this date.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tee-Hee. People want change so bad they don't care what the changes
>>>>>> are or if the changes are even good.
>>>
>>>> people around the world were very happy to see obama win the election:
>>>
>>> [snip]
>>>
>>>> ...as well they should be. no more of bush's reverse midas touch.
>>>
>>> Back before Obama got the Democratic nomination, I was so sick of his
>>> "change" crap that I was almost ready not to vote for him. In fact, I
>>> didn't vote for him, but that was because I'm not a registered Democrat
>>> in California. Still, I *hate* it when politicians push change, with no
>>> concept of what we are changing it *into*.
>>>
>>
>> obama was pretty explicit about what 'change' would amount to.
>>
>
> It's all so very "amorphous", blake...

if you depend on the mainstream media for information, yes. his website
pretty much spelled it out.

your pal,
blake

On Fri, 30 Jan 2009 07:59:21 -0600, Lou Decruss
<[email protected]> wrote:

>I think many people heard what they wanted to hear. There was some
>lady on CLTV who said everyone deserved to make 30-40 grand a year and
>Obama was going to do that for her. Even though she couldn't put a
>sentence together.
>
>Those with big incomes heard higher taxes and capital gains.

What people need to remember is that unions paved the way to a larger
middle class. Do we want to see a collapse of the middle class or
not? OTOH, unions with too much power can run-amok too - take MUNI of
San Francisco as a prime example.



--
I never worry about diets. The only carrots that
interest me are the number of carats in a diamond.

Mae West

Lou Decruss <[email protected]>
news:[email protected]: in rec.food.cooking

>
> I never herd that word before. I like it.
>
> I think many people heard what they wanted to hear. There was some
> lady on CLTV who said everyone deserved to make 30-40 grand a year and
> Obama was going to do that for her. Even though she couldn't put a
> sentence together.
>
> Those with big incomes heard higher taxes and capital gains.

In the first place no one "deserves" to be handed 30-40 grand a year. What
did that woman think that kind of income would buy her anyway? Especially
if she's got 2-3 kids?

Michael


--
“He who does not understand your silence will probably not understand your
words.”
~Elbert Hubbard

You can find me at: - michael at lonergan dot us dot com

> Very well said Dan. *Everyone wants to blame the other guy but not
> take any personal responsibility. *People living in houses and driving
> cars they can't afford, loading up credit cards, changing wardrobes
> every year, and just spending like crazy with no thought for the
> future. *During the Clinton years I made a ****load of money. *Same
> with the Regan and Bush 1 times. *I did save but certainly not enough.
> People act so shocked by what's happening now but the writing was on
> the wall a few years ago. *We changed our lifestyle drastically,
> dumped a wonderful house for something more affordable, drive older
> cars and work part time jobs doing things that would have seemed
> "below" us 20 years ago. *We have taken a financial hit from the
> economy tanking but not as bad as many others. *Personal
> responsibility seems to be a thing of the past. *I got sick of hearing
> change just like you. *But I also am sick of all the blaming crap.
> Bush is gone and I'm tired of hearing about him. *He and his staff
> have made some huge mistakes but the American society and way of life
> has added just as much to the problem. * With the checks and balances
> of the congress and OUR VOTES no single person can be blamed for the
> mess that the US and the world is in now. *And no single person is
> going to fix it.
>
> Lou * * * * * * *

So many of the problems in the US can be tied to greed and a lack of
Personal Responsibility. I've been reading about the survivors of
that plane crash in New York, who have all received IIRC 5000 dollars
each from the airline for the crash, but many of whom are now
demanding more from US Airways; one person has demanded to be upgraded
for life, and others want more money.

"Michael O'Connor" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]
>> Very well said Dan. Everyone wants to blame the other guy but not
>> take any personal responsibility. People living in houses and driving
>
> So many of the problems in the US can be tied to greed and a lack of
> Personal Responsibility. I've been reading about the survivors of
> that plane crash in New York, who have all received IIRC 5000 dollars
> each from the airline for the crash, but many of whom are now
> demanding more from US Airways; one person has demanded to be upgraded
> for life, and others want more money.

It is greed but the people are not entirely to blame. They have probably
been tempted by creative lawyers working on contingency.

--
James Silverton
Potomac, Maryland

Lou Decruss <[email protected]>
news:[email protected]: in rec.food.cooking

>
> Very well said Dan. Everyone wants to blame the other guy but not
> take any personal responsibility.

I'll go along with this to a certain extent. In this day and age it's
always someone else's fault. However the past 8 years have clearly shown
that our Commander in Chief and his administration have made colossal
mistakes.

> People living in houses and driving cars they can't afford, loading up
> credit cards, changing wardrobes
> every year, and just spending like crazy with no thought for the
> future.

I'll agree with this to a certain extent. The boom in McMansion
expansion, the Mercedes, BMWs and expensive SUVs,the designer
*everything* set hasn't a clue about what is to come. There are people
out there literally living on credit cards and credit. I suppose it's a
way of life for them. Maybe it's the only way they know how to live. For
some of them this economy has been a rude awakening. I don't feel much
for these people and bailing them out pisses me off. The people that
need help are the 1 or 2 income families and singles that have played by
the rules, lived within their means, but have been so affected by the
economy even that lifestyle they live is going down the **** hole.

> During the Clinton years I made a ****load of money. Same
> with the Regan and Bush 1 times. I did save but certainly not enough.

I've also made a ****load of money. IT has been very, very good to me.
I've had huge incomes, stock options with the company I worked for, nice
bonuses and lots of "business" trips. I worked so much I did nothing but
save and invest. I didn't have time to spend. Being a trust funder also
helps. I no longer work but Steven does and he makes a very respectable
income. We have conservative money handlers that manage our finances.
They do an excellent job. But we don't have a McMansion. We have a
respectable home in a very nice area. We have 2 newish Nissans. We most
certainly could have fallen into the McMansion mentality but we didn't.
We're not "rich" by today's standards but we are comfortable and will
continue to be comfortable.

> People act so shocked by what's happening now but the writing was on
> the wall a few years ago.

Yep but the previous administration's reaction and behavior to global
issues was a strong catalyst for the current melt down. 4 years ago my
entire family was called into a pow-wow. We were told that an economic
meltdown was inevitable. We were told to either pay off our mortgages or
finance them with fixed rate mortgages. Slowly liquidate our risky stock
holdings and reinvest those monies in mutual funds. AFAIK everyone in my
family did just that. None of us has been hit too badly by the current
economic conditions.

> We changed our lifestyle drastically,
> dumped a wonderful house for something more affordable, drive older
> cars and work part time jobs doing things that would have seemed
> "below" us 20 years ago. We have taken a financial hit from the
> economy tanking but not as bad as many others.

Sounds like a sensible plan to me. I would have done the same if I was
worried about my financial future. We are the lucky ones Lou. Many, many
others out there are not as secure.

> Personal responsibility seems to be a thing of the past.

Not just in the financial end of life either.

> I got sick of hearing change just like you.

You aren't responding to me but I'll respond anyway. I'm not sick of
hearing change. I want change. Change is good. Now ask me in 2 years
what the changes have been and I might have a different response

> But I also am sick of all the blaming crap.

I'm not sick of blaming anyone... yet ;-)

> Bush is gone and I'm tired of hearing about him.

You'll still hear plenty about him. Anyone that mismanages and entire
country the way he has will be heard about for decades to come. It's just
the way it is.


> He and his staff have made some huge mistakes but the American society
> and way of life has added just as much to the problem.

Hmmm... I'll have to think on this a bit before responding.



> With the checks and balances
> of the congress and OUR VOTES no single person can be blamed for the
> mess that the US and the world is in now. And no single person is
> going to fix it.

I don't think anyone is looking for a "quick fix". Folks voted Bush in a
second time and now are being rewarded with the aftermath. What has
happened is not going to be an easy road to recover from. Regardless of
who is at fault. Right now Obama is the only hope we've got. We've given
him 4 years. Let's see what he does with it.

Michael



--
“He who does not understand your silence will probably not understand
your words.”
~Elbert Hubbard

You can find me at: - michael at lonergan dot us dot com

James wrote on Sat, 31 Jan 2009 15:28:09 GMT:

> "Michael O'Connor" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]
>>> Very well said Dan. Everyone wants to blame the other guy
>>> but not take any personal responsibility. People living in
>>> houses and driving
>>
>> So many of the problems in the US can be tied to greed and a lack of
>> Personal Responsibility. I've been reading about
>> the survivors of that plane crash in New York, who have all
>> received IIRC 5000 dollars each from the airline for the
>> crash, but many of whom are now demanding more from US
>> Airways; one person has demanded to be upgraded for life, and
>> others want more money.

> It is greed but the people are not entirely to blame. They
> have probably been tempted by creative lawyers working on
> contingency.

I started thinking about that and I came with the idea of a class-action
suit for the ambulance chasers: people who claim to be traumatised by
thinking they might have been on the flight or that the geese might have
taken (out) earlier flights on which people actually flew. That's no
more ridiculous than many court cases even if they usually were filed in
California not New York.

--

James Silverton
Potomac, Maryland

Email, with obvious alterations: not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not

On Fri, 30 Jan 2009 21:51:21 -0800, sf wrote:

> On Fri, 30 Jan 2009 07:59:21 -0600, Lou Decruss
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>I think many people heard what they wanted to hear. There was some
>>lady on CLTV who said everyone deserved to make 30-40 grand a year and
>>Obama was going to do that for her. Even though she couldn't put a
>>sentence together.
>>
>>Those with big incomes heard higher taxes and capital gains.
>
> What people need to remember is that unions paved the way to a larger
> middle class. Do we want to see a collapse of the middle class or
> not? OTOH, unions with too much power can run-amok too - take MUNI of
> San Francisco as a prime example.

i think it's pretty safe to say the middle class has already collapsed.

your pal,
blake