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  1. #1
    Bob Terwilliger Guest

    Default Re: Open Letter to the World

    sf wrote:

    > Got this today and decided to pass it on. "OT" will keep it from
    > those who have filtered Off Topic posts like this.
    > ``````````````````
    >
    > Dear World:
    >
    > We, the United States of America, your top quality supplier of ideals
    > of democracy, would like to apologize for our 2001-2008 interruption
    > in service. The technical fault that led to this eight-year service
    > outage has been located, and the software responsible was replaced
    > November 4.
    >
    > Early tests of the newly installed program indicate that we are now
    > operating correctly, and we expect it to be fully functional from
    > January 20th forward. We apologize for any inconvenience caused by the
    > outage. We look forward to resuming full service and hope to improve
    > in years to come.
    >
    > We thank you for your patience and understanding.
    >
    > Sincerely,
    > THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA



    That's pretty funny, all right. I'm going to save it and maybe re-post it in
    a year or two to remind you about how you felt on this date.

    Bob


  2. #2
    Lou Decruss Guest

    Default Re: Open Letter to the World

    On Fri, 23 Jan 2009 20:01:42 -0800, "Bob Terwilliger"
    <virtualgoth@die_spammer.biz> wrote:

    >sf wrote:
    >
    >> Got this today and decided to pass it on. "OT" will keep it from
    >> those who have filtered Off Topic posts like this.
    >> ``````````````````
    >>
    >> Dear World:
    >>
    >> We, the United States of America, your top quality supplier of ideals
    >> of democracy, would like to apologize for our 2001-2008 interruption
    >> in service. The technical fault that led to this eight-year service
    >> outage has been located, and the software responsible was replaced
    >> November 4.
    >>
    >> Early tests of the newly installed program indicate that we are now
    >> operating correctly, and we expect it to be fully functional from
    >> January 20th forward. We apologize for any inconvenience caused by the
    >> outage. We look forward to resuming full service and hope to improve
    >> in years to come.
    >>
    >> We thank you for your patience and understanding.
    >>
    >> Sincerely,
    >> THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA

    >
    >
    >That's pretty funny, all right. I'm going to save it and maybe re-post it in
    >a year or two to remind you about how you felt on this date.


    Tee-Hee. People want change so bad they don't care what the changes
    are or if the changes are even good.

    Lou

  3. #3
    Gregory Morrow Guest

    Default Re: Open Letter to the World


    Lou Decruss wrote:

    > On Fri, 23 Jan 2009 20:01:42 -0800, "Bob Terwilliger"
    > <virtualgoth@die_spammer.biz> wrote:
    >
    > >sf wrote:
    > >
    > >> Got this today and decided to pass it on. "OT" will keep it from
    > >> those who have filtered Off Topic posts like this.
    > >> ``````````````````
    > >>
    > >> Dear World:
    > >>
    > >> We, the United States of America, your top quality supplier of ideals
    > >> of democracy, would like to apologize for our 2001-2008 interruption
    > >> in service. The technical fault that led to this eight-year service
    > >> outage has been located, and the software responsible was replaced
    > >> November 4.
    > >>
    > >> Early tests of the newly installed program indicate that we are now
    > >> operating correctly, and we expect it to be fully functional from
    > >> January 20th forward. We apologize for any inconvenience caused by the
    > >> outage. We look forward to resuming full service and hope to improve
    > >> in years to come.
    > >>
    > >> We thank you for your patience and understanding.
    > >>
    > >> Sincerely,
    > >> THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA

    > >
    > >
    > >That's pretty funny, all right. I'm going to save it and maybe re-post it

    in
    > >a year or two to remind you about how you felt on this date.

    >
    > Tee-Hee. People want change so bad they don't care what the changes
    > are or if the changes are even good.



    Many public opinion polls taken in various countries re: attitudes during
    the United States were just as negative towards the US during the Clintoon
    years - he was supposedly the world's "darling" - as during the tenure of
    Bush or other "unpopular" presidents.

    In any case we don't owe the "world" any sort of "apology"...


    --
    Best
    Greg



  4. #4
    Lou Decruss Guest

    Default Re: Open Letter to the World

    On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 12:02:10 -0600, "Gregory Morrow"
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    >
    >Lou Decruss wrote:
    >
    >> On Fri, 23 Jan 2009 20:01:42 -0800, "Bob Terwilliger"
    >> <virtualgoth@die_spammer.biz> wrote:
    >>
    >> >sf wrote:
    >> >
    >> >> Got this today and decided to pass it on. "OT" will keep it from
    >> >> those who have filtered Off Topic posts like this.
    >> >> ``````````````````
    >> >>
    >> >> Dear World:
    >> >>
    >> >> We, the United States of America, your top quality supplier of ideals
    >> >> of democracy, would like to apologize for our 2001-2008 interruption
    >> >> in service. The technical fault that led to this eight-year service
    >> >> outage has been located, and the software responsible was replaced
    >> >> November 4.
    >> >>
    >> >> Early tests of the newly installed program indicate that we are now
    >> >> operating correctly, and we expect it to be fully functional from
    >> >> January 20th forward. We apologize for any inconvenience caused by the
    >> >> outage. We look forward to resuming full service and hope to improve
    >> >> in years to come.
    >> >>
    >> >> We thank you for your patience and understanding.
    >> >>
    >> >> Sincerely,
    >> >> THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
    >> >
    >> >
    >> >That's pretty funny, all right. I'm going to save it and maybe re-post it

    >in
    >> >a year or two to remind you about how you felt on this date.

    >>
    >> Tee-Hee. People want change so bad they don't care what the changes
    >> are or if the changes are even good.

    >
    >
    >Many public opinion polls taken in various countries re: attitudes during
    >the United States were just as negative towards the US during the Clintoon
    >years - he was supposedly the world's "darling" - as during the tenure of
    >Bush or other "unpopular" presidents.
    >
    >In any case we don't owe the "world" any sort of "apology"...


    Yup. That letter was penned by an idiot. The only time the world
    likes us is when we send aid. I'm not current on what's happening
    with the 400 mil for the contraceptives bill that was sneaked in on
    Friday afternoon but WE deserve an apology for not using that money
    here. I think they should be issued free HERE at every school and
    trailer park across the nation. I don't even have a problem with free
    abortions as long as they have their tubes tied at the same time. And
    then find the father and snip his nuts. The country would be a much
    better place.

    Lou

  5. #5
    blake murphy Guest

    Default Re: Open Letter to the World

    On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 12:02:10 -0600, Gregory Morrow wrote:

    > Lou Decruss wrote:
    >
    >> On Fri, 23 Jan 2009 20:01:42 -0800, "Bob Terwilliger"
    >> <virtualgoth@die_spammer.biz> wrote:
    >>
    >>>sf wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> Got this today and decided to pass it on. "OT" will keep it from
    >>>> those who have filtered Off Topic posts like this.
    >>>> ``````````````````
    >>>>
    >>>> Dear World:
    >>>>
    >>>> We, the United States of America, your top quality supplier of ideals
    >>>> of democracy, would like to apologize for our 2001-2008 interruption
    >>>> in service. The technical fault that led to this eight-year service
    >>>> outage has been located, and the software responsible was replaced
    >>>> November 4.
    >>>>
    >>>> Early tests of the newly installed program indicate that we are now
    >>>> operating correctly, and we expect it to be fully functional from
    >>>> January 20th forward. We apologize for any inconvenience caused by the
    >>>> outage. We look forward to resuming full service and hope to improve
    >>>> in years to come.
    >>>>
    >>>> We thank you for your patience and understanding.
    >>>>
    >>>> Sincerely,
    >>>> THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>That's pretty funny, all right. I'm going to save it and maybe re-post it

    > in
    >>>a year or two to remind you about how you felt on this date.

    >>
    >> Tee-Hee. People want change so bad they don't care what the changes
    >> are or if the changes are even good.

    >
    > Many public opinion polls taken in various countries re: attitudes during
    > the United States were just as negative towards the US during the Clintoon
    > years - he was supposedly the world's "darling" - as during the tenure of
    > Bush or other "unpopular" presidents.
    >
    > In any case we don't owe the "world" any sort of "apology"...


    what does clinton have to do with anything?

    people around the world were very happy to see obama win the election:

    <http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-fg-worldreax6-2008nov06,0,3267776.story>

    <http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/the_real_american_idol/article1898567.ece>

    ....as well they should be. no more of bush's reverse midas touch.

    your pal,
    blake

  6. #6
    Dan Abel Guest

    Default Re: Open Letter to the World

    In article <1i9hyy1z11ih8$.[email protected]>,
    blake murphy <[email protected]> wrote:


    > > Lou Decruss wrote:
    > >
    > >> On Fri, 23 Jan 2009 20:01:42 -0800, "Bob Terwilliger"
    > >> <virtualgoth@die_spammer.biz> wrote:


    > >>>That's pretty funny, all right. I'm going to save it and maybe re-post it

    > > in
    > >>>a year or two to remind you about how you felt on this date.
    > >>
    > >> Tee-Hee. People want change so bad they don't care what the changes
    > >> are or if the changes are even good.


    > people around the world were very happy to see obama win the election:


    [snip]

    > ...as well they should be. no more of bush's reverse midas touch.


    Back before Obama got the Democratic nomination, I was so sick of his
    "change" crap that I was almost ready not to vote for him. In fact, I
    didn't vote for him, but that was because I'm not a registered Democrat
    in California. Still, I *hate* it when politicians push change, with no
    concept of what we are changing it *into*.

    But after it was narrowed down to McCain and Obama, they were both into
    "change". Everytime Obama or Biden mentioned Bush, McCain or Palin
    would complain that we shouldn't look backward, we should look forward.
    They were going to make a "change". So it really wasn't an election
    between business as usual (bank failures, housing market collapse and
    Wall Street in the dirt) and "change", it was whether the US wanted
    change from one party or change from the other. Frankly, I had trouble
    seeing the change with McCain, even though that was pretty much a major
    component of his campaign.

    If we look at things in a year or two, of course Obama is going to fail
    to pull us out of where we are at. But McCain couldn't have pulled us
    out either. Things are going down, and they will continue to go down.

    --
    Dan Abel
    Petaluma, California USA
    [email protected]

  7. #7
    Gregory Morrow Guest

    Default Re: Open Letter to the World


    blake murphy wrote:

    > On Tue, 27 Jan 2009 12:02:10 -0600, Gregory Morrow wrote:
    >
    > > Lou Decruss wrote:
    > >
    > >> On Fri, 23 Jan 2009 20:01:42 -0800, "Bob Terwilliger"
    > >> <virtualgoth@die_spammer.biz> wrote:
    > >>
    > >>>sf wrote:
    > >>>
    > >>>> Got this today and decided to pass it on. "OT" will keep it from
    > >>>> those who have filtered Off Topic posts like this.
    > >>>> ``````````````````
    > >>>>
    > >>>> Dear World:
    > >>>>
    > >>>> We, the United States of America, your top quality supplier of ideals
    > >>>> of democracy, would like to apologize for our 2001-2008 interruption
    > >>>> in service. The technical fault that led to this eight-year service
    > >>>> outage has been located, and the software responsible was replaced
    > >>>> November 4.
    > >>>>
    > >>>> Early tests of the newly installed program indicate that we are now
    > >>>> operating correctly, and we expect it to be fully functional from
    > >>>> January 20th forward. We apologize for any inconvenience caused by

    the
    > >>>> outage. We look forward to resuming full service and hope to improve
    > >>>> in years to come.
    > >>>>
    > >>>> We thank you for your patience and understanding.
    > >>>>
    > >>>> Sincerely,
    > >>>> THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
    > >>>
    > >>>
    > >>>That's pretty funny, all right. I'm going to save it and maybe re-post

    it
    > > in
    > >>>a year or two to remind you about how you felt on this date.
    > >>
    > >> Tee-Hee. People want change so bad they don't care what the changes
    > >> are or if the changes are even good.

    > >
    > > Many public opinion polls taken in various countries re: attitudes

    during
    > > the United States were just as negative towards the US during the

    Clintoon
    > > years - he was supposedly the world's "darling" - as during the tenure

    of
    > > Bush or other "unpopular" presidents.
    > >
    > > In any case we don't owe the "world" any sort of "apology"...

    >
    > what does clinton have to do with anything?



    I thought all the world "adored" him...


    > people around the world were very happy to see obama win the election:
    >
    >

    <http://www.latimes.com/news/politics...06,0,3267776.s
    tory>
    >
    >

    <http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...dol/article189
    8567.ece>
    >
    > ...as well they should be. no more of bush's reverse midas touch.
    >



    But some pukes out there just HATE the USA no matter who is POTUS or what we
    do, blake...


    --
    Best
    Greg



  8. #8
    blake murphy Guest

    Default Re: Open Letter to the World

    On Wed, 28 Jan 2009 11:21:17 -0800, Dan Abel wrote:

    > In article <1i9hyy1z11ih8$.[email protected]>,
    > blake murphy <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >>> Lou Decruss wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> On Fri, 23 Jan 2009 20:01:42 -0800, "Bob Terwilliger"
    >>>> <virtualgoth@die_spammer.biz> wrote:

    >
    >>>>>That's pretty funny, all right. I'm going to save it and maybe re-post it
    >>> in
    >>>>>a year or two to remind you about how you felt on this date.
    >>>>
    >>>> Tee-Hee. People want change so bad they don't care what the changes
    >>>> are or if the changes are even good.

    >
    >> people around the world were very happy to see obama win the election:

    >
    > [snip]
    >
    >> ...as well they should be. no more of bush's reverse midas touch.

    >
    > Back before Obama got the Democratic nomination, I was so sick of his
    > "change" crap that I was almost ready not to vote for him. In fact, I
    > didn't vote for him, but that was because I'm not a registered Democrat
    > in California. Still, I *hate* it when politicians push change, with no
    > concept of what we are changing it *into*.
    >


    obama was pretty explicit about what 'change' would amount to.

    your pal,
    blake

  9. #9
    Lou Decruss Guest

    Default Re: Open Letter to the World

    On Wed, 28 Jan 2009 11:21:17 -0800, Dan Abel <[email protected]> wrote:

    >Back before Obama got the Democratic nomination, I was so sick of his
    >"change" crap that I was almost ready not to vote for him. In fact, I
    >didn't vote for him, but that was because I'm not a registered Democrat
    >in California. Still, I *hate* it when politicians push change, with no
    >concept of what we are changing it *into*.
    >
    >But after it was narrowed down to McCain and Obama, they were both into
    >"change". Everytime Obama or Biden mentioned Bush, McCain or Palin
    >would complain that we shouldn't look backward, we should look forward.
    >They were going to make a "change". So it really wasn't an election
    >between business as usual (bank failures, housing market collapse and
    >Wall Street in the dirt) and "change", it was whether the US wanted
    >change from one party or change from the other. Frankly, I had trouble
    >seeing the change with McCain, even though that was pretty much a major
    >component of his campaign.
    >
    >If we look at things in a year or two, of course Obama is going to fail
    >to pull us out of where we are at. But McCain couldn't have pulled us
    >out either. Things are going down, and they will continue to go down.


    Very well said Dan. Everyone wants to blame the other guy but not
    take any personal responsibility. People living in houses and driving
    cars they can't afford, loading up credit cards, changing wardrobes
    every year, and just spending like crazy with no thought for the
    future. During the Clinton years I made a ****load of money. Same
    with the Regan and Bush 1 times. I did save but certainly not enough.
    People act so shocked by what's happening now but the writing was on
    the wall a few years ago. We changed our lifestyle drastically,
    dumped a wonderful house for something more affordable, drive older
    cars and work part time jobs doing things that would have seemed
    "below" us 20 years ago. We have taken a financial hit from the
    economy tanking but not as bad as many others. Personal
    responsibility seems to be a thing of the past. I got sick of hearing
    change just like you. But I also am sick of all the blaming crap.
    Bush is gone and I'm tired of hearing about him. He and his staff
    have made some huge mistakes but the American society and way of life
    has added just as much to the problem. With the checks and balances
    of the congress and OUR VOTES no single person can be blamed for the
    mess that the US and the world is in now. And no single person is
    going to fix it.

    Lou






  10. #10
    Gregory Morrow Guest

    Default Re: Open Letter to the World


    blake murphy wrote:

    > On Wed, 28 Jan 2009 11:21:17 -0800, Dan Abel wrote:
    >
    > > In article <1i9hyy1z11ih8$.[email protected]>,
    > > blake murphy <[email protected]> wrote:
    > >
    > >>> Lou Decruss wrote:
    > >>>
    > >>>> On Fri, 23 Jan 2009 20:01:42 -0800, "Bob Terwilliger"
    > >>>> <virtualgoth@die_spammer.biz> wrote:

    > >
    > >>>>>That's pretty funny, all right. I'm going to save it and maybe

    re-post it
    > >>> in
    > >>>>>a year or two to remind you about how you felt on this date.
    > >>>>
    > >>>> Tee-Hee. People want change so bad they don't care what the changes
    > >>>> are or if the changes are even good.

    > >
    > >> people around the world were very happy to see obama win the election:

    > >
    > > [snip]
    > >
    > >> ...as well they should be. no more of bush's reverse midas touch.

    > >
    > > Back before Obama got the Democratic nomination, I was so sick of his
    > > "change" crap that I was almost ready not to vote for him. In fact, I
    > > didn't vote for him, but that was because I'm not a registered Democrat
    > > in California. Still, I *hate* it when politicians push change, with no
    > > concept of what we are changing it *into*.
    > >

    >
    > obama was pretty explicit about what 'change' would amount to.
    >



    It's all so very "amorphous", blake...


    --
    Best
    Greg



  11. #11
    Dan Abel Guest

    Default Re: Open Letter to the World

    In article <tqju1q7rtvks$.gtz5dg8dii9v$.[email protected]>,
    blake murphy <[email protected]> wrote:

    > On Wed, 28 Jan 2009 11:21:17 -0800, Dan Abel wrote:


    > > Back before Obama got the Democratic nomination, I was so sick of his
    > > "change" crap


    > obama was pretty explicit about what 'change' would amount to.


    Maybe I wasn't paying enough attention. I wouldn't be surprised. I
    just remember this sea of "change". Somebody put together a video that
    I saw on Youtube. I wish I had save the URL. It was just the word,
    taken out of context from all the candidates. It represented what I was
    hearing and seeing. Between the various candidates, perhaps I needed to
    dig a little deeper:

    * Hillary Clinton, New York Senator
    * Barack Obama, Illinois Senator
    * John Edwards, former Senator from North Carolina
    * Dennis Kucinich, Ohio Congressman, former Mayor of Cleveland
    * Bill Richardson, Governor of New Mexico
    * Joe Biden, Senator of Delaware
    * Chris Dodd, Senator of Connecticut
    * Mike Gravel, former Senator
    * Al Gore

    --
    Dan Abel
    Petaluma, California USA
    [email protected]

  12. #12
    Lou Decruss Guest

    Default Re: Open Letter to the World

    On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 11:33:09 -0600, "Gregory Morrow"
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    >
    >blake murphy wrote:


    >> obama was pretty explicit about what 'change' would amount to.
    >>

    >
    >
    >It's all so very "amorphous", blake...


    I never herd that word before. I like it.

    I think many people heard what they wanted to hear. There was some
    lady on CLTV who said everyone deserved to make 30-40 grand a year and
    Obama was going to do that for her. Even though she couldn't put a
    sentence together.

    Those with big incomes heard higher taxes and capital gains.

    Lou

  13. #13
    blake murphy Guest

    Default Re: Open Letter to the World

    On Thu, 29 Jan 2009 11:33:09 -0600, Gregory Morrow wrote:

    > blake murphy wrote:
    >
    >> On Wed, 28 Jan 2009 11:21:17 -0800, Dan Abel wrote:
    >>
    >>> In article <1i9hyy1z11ih8$.[email protected]>,
    >>> blake murphy <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>>
    >>>>> Lou Decruss wrote:
    >>>>>
    >>>>>> On Fri, 23 Jan 2009 20:01:42 -0800, "Bob Terwilliger"
    >>>>>> <virtualgoth@die_spammer.biz> wrote:
    >>>
    >>>>>>>That's pretty funny, all right. I'm going to save it and maybe

    > re-post it
    >>>>> in
    >>>>>>>a year or two to remind you about how you felt on this date.
    >>>>>>
    >>>>>> Tee-Hee. People want change so bad they don't care what the changes
    >>>>>> are or if the changes are even good.
    >>>
    >>>> people around the world were very happy to see obama win the election:
    >>>
    >>> [snip]
    >>>
    >>>> ...as well they should be. no more of bush's reverse midas touch.
    >>>
    >>> Back before Obama got the Democratic nomination, I was so sick of his
    >>> "change" crap that I was almost ready not to vote for him. In fact, I
    >>> didn't vote for him, but that was because I'm not a registered Democrat
    >>> in California. Still, I *hate* it when politicians push change, with no
    >>> concept of what we are changing it *into*.
    >>>

    >>
    >> obama was pretty explicit about what 'change' would amount to.
    >>

    >
    > It's all so very "amorphous", blake...


    if you depend on the mainstream media for information, yes. his website
    pretty much spelled it out.

    your pal,
    blake

  14. #14
    sf Guest

    Default Re: Open Letter to the World

    On Fri, 30 Jan 2009 07:59:21 -0600, Lou Decruss
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    >I think many people heard what they wanted to hear. There was some
    >lady on CLTV who said everyone deserved to make 30-40 grand a year and
    >Obama was going to do that for her. Even though she couldn't put a
    >sentence together.
    >
    >Those with big incomes heard higher taxes and capital gains.


    What people need to remember is that unions paved the way to a larger
    middle class. Do we want to see a collapse of the middle class or
    not? OTOH, unions with too much power can run-amok too - take MUNI of
    San Francisco as a prime example.



    --
    I never worry about diets. The only carrots that
    interest me are the number of carats in a diamond.

    Mae West

  15. #15
    Michael \Dog3\ Guest

    Default Re: Open Letter to the World

    Lou Decruss <[email protected]>
    news:[email protected]: in rec.food.cooking

    >
    > I never herd that word before. I like it.
    >
    > I think many people heard what they wanted to hear. There was some
    > lady on CLTV who said everyone deserved to make 30-40 grand a year and
    > Obama was going to do that for her. Even though she couldn't put a
    > sentence together.
    >
    > Those with big incomes heard higher taxes and capital gains.


    In the first place no one "deserves" to be handed 30-40 grand a year. What
    did that woman think that kind of income would buy her anyway? Especially
    if she's got 2-3 kids?

    Michael


    --
    “He who does not understand your silence will probably not understand your
    words.”
    ~Elbert Hubbard

    You can find me at: - michael at lonergan dot us dot com

  16. #16
    Michael O'Connor Guest

    Default Re: Open Letter to the World


    > Very well said Dan. *Everyone wants to blame the other guy but not
    > take any personal responsibility. *People living in houses and driving
    > cars they can't afford, loading up credit cards, changing wardrobes
    > every year, and just spending like crazy with no thought for the
    > future. *During the Clinton years I made a ****load of money. *Same
    > with the Regan and Bush 1 times. *I did save but certainly not enough.
    > People act so shocked by what's happening now but the writing was on
    > the wall a few years ago. *We changed our lifestyle drastically,
    > dumped a wonderful house for something more affordable, drive older
    > cars and work part time jobs doing things that would have seemed
    > "below" us 20 years ago. *We have taken a financial hit from the
    > economy tanking but not as bad as many others. *Personal
    > responsibility seems to be a thing of the past. *I got sick of hearing
    > change just like you. *But I also am sick of all the blaming crap.
    > Bush is gone and I'm tired of hearing about him. *He and his staff
    > have made some huge mistakes but the American society and way of life
    > has added just as much to the problem. * With the checks and balances
    > of the congress and OUR VOTES no single person can be blamed for the
    > mess that the US and the world is in now. *And no single person is
    > going to fix it.
    >
    > Lou * * * * * * *


    So many of the problems in the US can be tied to greed and a lack of
    Personal Responsibility. I've been reading about the survivors of
    that plane crash in New York, who have all received IIRC 5000 dollars
    each from the airline for the crash, but many of whom are now
    demanding more from US Airways; one person has demanded to be upgraded
    for life, and others want more money.

  17. #17
    James Silverton Guest

    Default Re: Open Letter to the World

    "Michael O'Connor" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]
    >> Very well said Dan. Everyone wants to blame the other guy but not
    >> take any personal responsibility. People living in houses and driving

    >
    > So many of the problems in the US can be tied to greed and a lack of
    > Personal Responsibility. I've been reading about the survivors of
    > that plane crash in New York, who have all received IIRC 5000 dollars
    > each from the airline for the crash, but many of whom are now
    > demanding more from US Airways; one person has demanded to be upgraded
    > for life, and others want more money.


    It is greed but the people are not entirely to blame. They have probably
    been tempted by creative lawyers working on contingency.

    --
    James Silverton
    Potomac, Maryland


  18. #18
    Michael \Dog3\ Guest

    Default Re: Open Letter to the World

    Lou Decruss <[email protected]>
    news:[email protected]: in rec.food.cooking

    >
    > Very well said Dan. Everyone wants to blame the other guy but not
    > take any personal responsibility.


    I'll go along with this to a certain extent. In this day and age it's
    always someone else's fault. However the past 8 years have clearly shown
    that our Commander in Chief and his administration have made colossal
    mistakes.

    > People living in houses and driving cars they can't afford, loading up
    > credit cards, changing wardrobes
    > every year, and just spending like crazy with no thought for the
    > future.


    I'll agree with this to a certain extent. The boom in McMansion
    expansion, the Mercedes, BMWs and expensive SUVs,the designer
    *everything* set hasn't a clue about what is to come. There are people
    out there literally living on credit cards and credit. I suppose it's a
    way of life for them. Maybe it's the only way they know how to live. For
    some of them this economy has been a rude awakening. I don't feel much
    for these people and bailing them out pisses me off. The people that
    need help are the 1 or 2 income families and singles that have played by
    the rules, lived within their means, but have been so affected by the
    economy even that lifestyle they live is going down the **** hole.

    > During the Clinton years I made a ****load of money. Same
    > with the Regan and Bush 1 times. I did save but certainly not enough.


    I've also made a ****load of money. IT has been very, very good to me.
    I've had huge incomes, stock options with the company I worked for, nice
    bonuses and lots of "business" trips. I worked so much I did nothing but
    save and invest. I didn't have time to spend. Being a trust funder also
    helps. I no longer work but Steven does and he makes a very respectable
    income. We have conservative money handlers that manage our finances.
    They do an excellent job. But we don't have a McMansion. We have a
    respectable home in a very nice area. We have 2 newish Nissans. We most
    certainly could have fallen into the McMansion mentality but we didn't.
    We're not "rich" by today's standards but we are comfortable and will
    continue to be comfortable.

    > People act so shocked by what's happening now but the writing was on
    > the wall a few years ago.


    Yep but the previous administration's reaction and behavior to global
    issues was a strong catalyst for the current melt down. 4 years ago my
    entire family was called into a pow-wow. We were told that an economic
    meltdown was inevitable. We were told to either pay off our mortgages or
    finance them with fixed rate mortgages. Slowly liquidate our risky stock
    holdings and reinvest those monies in mutual funds. AFAIK everyone in my
    family did just that. None of us has been hit too badly by the current
    economic conditions.

    > We changed our lifestyle drastically,
    > dumped a wonderful house for something more affordable, drive older
    > cars and work part time jobs doing things that would have seemed
    > "below" us 20 years ago. We have taken a financial hit from the
    > economy tanking but not as bad as many others.


    Sounds like a sensible plan to me. I would have done the same if I was
    worried about my financial future. We are the lucky ones Lou. Many, many
    others out there are not as secure.

    > Personal responsibility seems to be a thing of the past.


    Not just in the financial end of life either.

    > I got sick of hearing change just like you.


    You aren't responding to me but I'll respond anyway. I'm not sick of
    hearing change. I want change. Change is good. Now ask me in 2 years
    what the changes have been and I might have a different response

    > But I also am sick of all the blaming crap.


    I'm not sick of blaming anyone... yet ;-)

    > Bush is gone and I'm tired of hearing about him.


    You'll still hear plenty about him. Anyone that mismanages and entire
    country the way he has will be heard about for decades to come. It's just
    the way it is.


    > He and his staff have made some huge mistakes but the American society
    > and way of life has added just as much to the problem.


    Hmmm... I'll have to think on this a bit before responding.



    > With the checks and balances
    > of the congress and OUR VOTES no single person can be blamed for the
    > mess that the US and the world is in now. And no single person is
    > going to fix it.


    I don't think anyone is looking for a "quick fix". Folks voted Bush in a
    second time and now are being rewarded with the aftermath. What has
    happened is not going to be an easy road to recover from. Regardless of
    who is at fault. Right now Obama is the only hope we've got. We've given
    him 4 years. Let's see what he does with it.

    Michael



    --
    “He who does not understand your silence will probably not understand
    your words.”
    ~Elbert Hubbard

    You can find me at: - michael at lonergan dot us dot com

  19. #19
    James Silverton Guest

    Default Re: Open Letter to the World

    James wrote on Sat, 31 Jan 2009 15:28:09 GMT:

    > "Michael O'Connor" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]
    >>> Very well said Dan. Everyone wants to blame the other guy
    >>> but not take any personal responsibility. People living in
    >>> houses and driving

    >>
    >> So many of the problems in the US can be tied to greed and a lack of
    >> Personal Responsibility. I've been reading about
    >> the survivors of that plane crash in New York, who have all
    >> received IIRC 5000 dollars each from the airline for the
    >> crash, but many of whom are now demanding more from US
    >> Airways; one person has demanded to be upgraded for life, and
    >> others want more money.


    > It is greed but the people are not entirely to blame. They
    > have probably been tempted by creative lawyers working on
    > contingency.


    I started thinking about that and I came with the idea of a class-action
    suit for the ambulance chasers: people who claim to be traumatised by
    thinking they might have been on the flight or that the geese might have
    taken (out) earlier flights on which people actually flew. That's no
    more ridiculous than many court cases even if they usually were filed in
    California not New York.

    --

    James Silverton
    Potomac, Maryland

    Email, with obvious alterations: not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not


  20. #20
    blake murphy Guest

    Default Re: Open Letter to the World

    On Fri, 30 Jan 2009 21:51:21 -0800, sf wrote:

    > On Fri, 30 Jan 2009 07:59:21 -0600, Lou Decruss
    > <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >>I think many people heard what they wanted to hear. There was some
    >>lady on CLTV who said everyone deserved to make 30-40 grand a year and
    >>Obama was going to do that for her. Even though she couldn't put a
    >>sentence together.
    >>
    >>Those with big incomes heard higher taxes and capital gains.

    >
    > What people need to remember is that unions paved the way to a larger
    > middle class. Do we want to see a collapse of the middle class or
    > not? OTOH, unions with too much power can run-amok too - take MUNI of
    > San Francisco as a prime example.


    i think it's pretty safe to say the middle class has already collapsed.

    your pal,
    blake

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