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    Doug Freyburger Guest

    Default Re: How producing =?iso-8859-13?q?=B4ethical=2C_zero-harm=A1_plant_food_for_vegans_and_vege?==?iso-8859-13?q?tarians_kills_more_animals_than=2C_well=2C_ac tually_killi?==?iso-8859-13?q?ng_animals_for_the_purpose_of_eating_them=2E? =

    dsi1 wrote:
    > Doug Freyburger wrote:
    >
    >> There's also no way that cultured meat can compete with real meat for
    >> price. Animals are self growing and self replicating. Cultured meat
    >> takes a lot of synthetic chemistry.

    >
    > My guess is that it's not too difficult to grow a lump of tissue. It's
    > not like making microprocessor. I'm not sure why you think it can't
    > compete in price considering the amount of time it takes to grow a cow,
    > and the resources that's needed, and the amount of processing and
    > manpower that it takes to get a steak to your table. I'm thinking that
    > people in the future will be growing steak-like material in their
    > bathtubs. :-)


    Cows grow by eating grass. Cultured meat grows by eating a wide variety
    of customized organic chemicals that have to be produced somehow. Sure,
    you could build a digester that takes grass, digests it and supplies all
    of those amino acids, fatty acids, co-enzymes, vitamins, minerals and on
    an on. But getting that digester machine price competive with growing
    grass? Not just a bit in the future.

    > I can appreciate your skepticism but it never hurt nobody to dream about
    > things of the future.


    That part's true. I expect designer meats to be on the market in that
    time range. Brontosaurus or mastadon burger anyone? But competing with
    cows and chickens for price is farther out.

    > We could have never dreamed up this connected,
    > high speed, digital world 20 years ago, although some did.


    I'd been online for 6+ years for that point and I definitely could not
    comprehend the exponential growth curve. Heck, in 1980 I was one of the
    many people who invented the PDA that year but I projected the prices
    out a few years and decided against patenting it. Someone with more
    imagination than my did patent it in that year. Now PDAs are obsolate
    and have been included in our phones.

    The Borg in Star Trek is not as extreme as they seem.

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    dsi1 Guest

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    On 1/3/2012 1:14 PM, Doug Freyburger wrote:
    > dsi1 wrote:
    >> Doug Freyburger wrote:
    >>
    >>> There's also no way that cultured meat can compete with real meat for
    >>> price. Animals are self growing and self replicating. Cultured meat
    >>> takes a lot of synthetic chemistry.

    >>
    >> My guess is that it's not too difficult to grow a lump of tissue. It's
    >> not like making microprocessor. I'm not sure why you think it can't
    >> compete in price considering the amount of time it takes to grow a cow,
    >> and the resources that's needed, and the amount of processing and
    >> manpower that it takes to get a steak to your table. I'm thinking that
    >> people in the future will be growing steak-like material in their
    >> bathtubs. :-)

    >
    > Cows grow by eating grass. Cultured meat grows by eating a wide variety
    > of customized organic chemicals that have to be produced somehow. Sure,
    > you could build a digester that takes grass, digests it and supplies all
    > of those amino acids, fatty acids, co-enzymes, vitamins, minerals and on
    > an on. But getting that digester machine price competive with growing
    > grass? Not just a bit in the future.


    I assume the raw materials for the organic chemicals will be algae. The
    reality is that fake meat will just be a way of getting us to eat
    SOYLENT GREEN!

    >
    >> I can appreciate your skepticism but it never hurt nobody to dream about
    >> things of the future.

    >
    > That part's true. I expect designer meats to be on the market in that
    > time range. Brontosaurus or mastadon burger anyone? But competing with
    > cows and chickens for price is farther out.


    I could go for a brontosaurus burger right now. Too bad it only exists
    in Flintstones cartoons.

    >
    >> We could have never dreamed up this connected,
    >> high speed, digital world 20 years ago, although some did.

    >
    > I'd been online for 6+ years for that point and I definitely could not
    > comprehend the exponential growth curve. Heck, in 1980 I was one of the
    > many people who invented the PDA that year but I projected the prices
    > out a few years and decided against patenting it. Someone with more
    > imagination than my did patent it in that year. Now PDAs are obsolate
    > and have been included in our phones.


    PDAs sure were the cat's pajamas but their time in history was
    exceedingly short. I suspect that my kids wouldn't know what a PDA was.
    Too bad you didn't invent Pop-Tarts. Speaking of which, I could go for a
    Pop-Tart right now...

    >
    > The Borg in Star Trek is not as extreme as they seem.


    If the rate of change remains the same as it has been for the last 20
    years, we'll probably be right up there with Capt. Kirk in a hundred years.

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    Michel Boucher Guest

    Default Re: How producing “ethical, zero-harm” plant food for vegans and vegetarians kills more animals than, well, actually kill ing animals for the purpose of eating the m.

    dsi1 <[email protected]> wrote in
    news:je03b4$ko8$[email protected]:

    > I assume the raw materials for the organic chemicals will be
    > algae. The reality is that fake meat will just be a way of
    > getting us to eat SOYLENT GREEN!


    Probably yeast. Algae crops are all dedicated to making MSG.

    --

    If this is going to be a Christian nation that doesn’t
    help the poor, either we’ve got to pretend that Jesus
    was just as selfish as we are, or we’ve got to acknowledge
    that He commanded us to love the poor and serve the needy
    without condition, and then admit that we just don’t
    want to do it.

    Stephen Colbert (via videcormeum)

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    dsi1 Guest

    Default Re: How producing =?windows-1252?Q?=93ethical=2C_zero-harm=94_?==?windows-1252?Q?_plant_food_for_vegans_and_vegetarians_ki?= =?windows-1252?Q?lls__more_animals_than=2C_well=2C_actually_ ?==?windows-1252?Q?kill_ing_animals_for_the_purpose_of_eatin?= =?wi

    On 1/3/2012 2:09 PM, Michel Boucher wrote:
    > dsi1<[email protected]> wrote in
    > news:je03b4$ko8$[email protected]:
    >
    >> I assume the raw materials for the organic chemicals will be
    >> algae. The reality is that fake meat will just be a way of
    >> getting us to eat SOYLENT GREEN!

    >
    > Probably yeast. Algae crops are all dedicated to making MSG.
    >


    Recycling human waste seems to be a logical step. Logical but disturbing...

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