Thread: Re: Goodbye Seafood

On Thu, 17 Jun 2010 06:08:23 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
<[email protected]> wrote:

> What's your business? Looks like it has something to do with cat
> shows. Pardon me while I laugh myself silly.

I'm surprised you don't remember what she does, she mentions it a lot.
I don't think it's silly at all. It's good to be self employed.

--
Forget the health food. I need all the preservatives I can get.

In article <[email protected]>,
George Leppla <[email protected]> wrote:

> On 6/17/2010 8:08 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> > On Jun 17, 7:52 am, "fries...@zoocrewphoto.com"
>
> >> If this were announced (as in, we knew it would continue up that much
> >> each year), my business would out of business. And it wouldn't even be
> >> my choice. There would be no events for me to go to as they can't be
> >> done with only local people. Flying would cost more with higher gas,
> >> and there is a limit of 1 cat per passenger anyway, so most people
> >> can't afford several hundred dollars to take one cat to a show.
> >
> > What's your business? Looks like it has something to do with cat
> > shows. Pardon me while I laugh myself silly.
> >
> > Cindy Hamilton
>
>
> Am I missing something here? She works full time and has a small
> business that she runs on her days off and in her spare time. Has
> something to do with photographing horses, cats, pets if I remember right.
>
> Not every business has to be Fortune 500. Personally, I have a lot of
> respect for anyone who runs a small business and makes a profit, full
> time or part time.

True, but don't you know that if a business doesn't seem prestigious
enough or have enough cache, then it is risible. Who cares if it fills
a need or provides a service that people want?

Regards,
Ranee @ Arabian Knits

"She seeks wool and flax, and works with willing hands." Prov 31:13

http://arabianknits.blogspot.com/

The message <[email protected]>
from sf <[email protected]> contains these words:

> On Thu, 17 Jun 2010 06:08:23 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> <[email protected]> wrote:

> > What's your business? Looks like it has something to do with cat
> > shows. Pardon me while I laugh myself silly.

> I'm surprised you don't remember what she does, she mentions it a lot.
> I don't think it's silly at all. It's good to be self employed.

Well I don't know what her business is either, except it happens at cat
shows .

Janet

In article <[email protected]>,
sf <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Thu, 17 Jun 2010 06:08:23 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > What's your business? Looks like it has something to do with cat
> > shows. Pardon me while I laugh myself silly.
>
> I'm surprised you don't remember what she does, she mentions it a lot.
> I don't think it's silly at all. It's good to be self employed.

But it's better, for people like me, to have a regular job. Megan has
both, a regular job (which I don't believe is quite full time) and her
business. She gets subsidized health care through her regular job.

[Note that I don't have a job, and haven't had one for several years,
but I'm happy.]

--
Dan Abel
Petaluma, California USA
[email protected]

On Thu, 17 Jun 2010 10:15:17 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
<[email protected]> wrote:

> I'd have a lot more respect for a business that actually did something
> useful. I'm sure her customers appreciate it, but if the entire
> "photographing horses, cats, pets" sector of the economy disappeared,
> society would still soldier on somehow.
>
> Cindy Hamilton

Aren't you the one who trains and takes her dogs to flyball meets?

--
Forget the health food. I need all the preservatives I can get.

In article
<[email protected]>,
Cindy Hamilton <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Jun 17, 12:46*pm, George Leppla <geo...@cruisemaster.com> wrote:
> > On 6/17/2010 8:08 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> >
> > > On Jun 17, 7:52 am, "fries...@zoocrewphoto.com"
> > >> If this were announced (as in, we knew it would continue up that much
> > >> each year), my business would out of business. And it wouldn't even be
> > >> my choice. There would be no events for me to go to as they can't be
> > >> done with only local people. Flying would cost more with higher gas,
> > >> and there is a limit of 1 cat per passenger anyway, so most people
> > >> can't afford several hundred dollars to take one cat to a show.
> >
> > > What's your business? *Looks like it has something to do with cat
> > > shows. *Pardon me while I laugh myself silly.
> >
> > > Cindy Hamilton
> >
> > Am I missing something here? *She works full time and has a small
> > business that she runs on her days off and in her spare time. *Has
> > something to do with photographing horses, cats, pets if I remember right.
> >
> > Not every business has to be Fortune 500. *Personally, I have a lot of
> > respect for anyone who runs a small business and makes a profit, full
> > time or part time.
> >
> > George L
>
> I'd have a lot more respect for a business that actually did something
> useful. I'm sure her customers appreciate it, but if the entire
> "photographing horses, cats, pets" sector of the economy disappeared,
> society would still soldier on somehow.

And what do you do that is so valuable?

Regards,
Ranee @ Arabian Knits

"She seeks wool and flax, and works with willing hands." Prov 31:13

http://arabianknits.blogspot.com/

On Thu, 17 Jun 2010 18:15:02 +0100, Janet Baraclough
<[email protected]> wrote:

> The message <[email protected]>
> from sf <[email protected]> contains these words:
>
> > On Thu, 17 Jun 2010 06:08:23 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> > <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > What's your business? Looks like it has something to do with cat
> > > shows. Pardon me while I laugh myself silly.
>
> > I'm surprised you don't remember what she does, she mentions it a lot.
> > I don't think it's silly at all. It's good to be self employed.
>
> Well I don't know what her business is either, except it happens at cat
> shows .
>
She has two jobs. One that provides a regular salary and benefits and
she is building her own business in the other as a pet photographer.
She also sells pet supplys at her booth. I don't think part time self
employment is anything to laugh at, it shows initiative. Honestly,
which is funnier - training dogs to play flyball (if Cindy is the one
who does that) or gainful self-employment photographing pets?


--
Forget the health food. I need all the preservatives I can get.

On Thu, 17 Jun 2010 10:22:05 -0700, Dan Abel <[email protected]> wrote:

> In article <[email protected]>,
> sf <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > On Thu, 17 Jun 2010 06:08:23 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> > <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > > What's your business? Looks like it has something to do with cat
> > > shows. Pardon me while I laugh myself silly.
> >
> > I'm surprised you don't remember what she does, she mentions it a lot.
> > I don't think it's silly at all. It's good to be self employed.
>
> But it's better, for people like me, to have a regular job. Megan has
> both, a regular job (which I don't believe is quite full time) and her
> business. She gets subsidized health care through her regular job.
>
I didn't say that was her *only* job, Dan. We were discussing her job
as a pet photographer. Cindy derided it, I defended it. If Cindy is
the person who trains her dogs to play flyball and drives all over the
place to competitions, she is the last person who should be laughing
at Megan about her choices. Frankly Cindy's attitude shocked me. I
thought she was a better person than that. It's one thing to get all
over Megan about her political views, but it's completely different to
deride her for showing initiative and getting out there to take risks
in the not very easy world of self-employment. Megan is growing her
business in a down economy and that says a lot.


--
Forget the health food. I need all the preservatives I can get.

On Jun 17, 1:23*pm, Ran e at Arabian Knits <arabiankn...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> In article
> <2a790ad0-cbd2-4bb6-854b-036eb8c0b...@i28g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>,
> *Cindy Hamilton <angelicapagane...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jun 17, 12:46 pm, George Leppla <geo...@cruisemaster.com> wrote:
> > > On 6/17/2010 8:08 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
> > > > On Jun 17, 7:52 am, "fries...@zoocrewphoto.com"
> > > >> If this were announced (as in, we knew it would continue up that much
> > > >> each year), my business would out of business. And it wouldn't even be
> > > >> my choice. There would be no events for me to go to as they can't be
> > > >> done with only local people. Flying would cost more with higher gas,
> > > >> and there is a limit of 1 cat per passenger anyway, so most people
> > > >> can't afford several hundred dollars to take one cat to a show.
>
> > > > What's your business? Looks like it has something to do with cat
> > > > shows. Pardon me while I laugh myself silly.
>
> > > > Cindy Hamilton
>
> > > Am I missing something here? She works full time and has a small
> > > business that she runs on her days off and in her spare time. Has
> > > something to do with photographing horses, cats, pets if I remember right.
>
> > > Not every business has to be Fortune 500. Personally, I have a lot of
> > > respect for anyone who runs a small business and makes a profit, full
> > > time or part time.
>
> > > George L
>
> > I'd have a lot more respect for a business that actually did something
> > useful. *I'm sure her customers appreciate it, but if the entire
> > "photographing horses, cats, pets" sector of the economy disappeared,
> > society would still soldier on somehow.
>
> * *And what do you do that is so valuable?

Software engineer.

Productivity tools for control systems engineers. My company's
customers
make controllers for stuff like aircraft brakes, aircraft engines,
missiles,
satellites, diesel engines (to improve fuel efficiency), tanks,
automobile
engines, automotive anti-lock brakes, and the like. Our products help
them more efficient, and their controllers more reliable.

Cindy Hamilton

On 6/17/2010 3:08 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
> On Jun 17, 1:23 pm, Ran e at Arabian Knits<arabiankn...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>> In article
>> <2a790ad0-cbd2-4bb6-854b-036eb8c0b...@i28g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>,
>> Cindy Hamilton<angelicapagane...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Jun 17, 12:46 pm, George Leppla<geo...@cruisemaster.com> wrote:
>>>> On 6/17/2010 8:08 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>>
>>>>> On Jun 17, 7:52 am, "fries...@zoocrewphoto.com"
>>>>>> If this were announced (as in, we knew it would continue up that much
>>>>>> each year), my business would out of business. And it wouldn't even be
>>>>>> my choice. There would be no events for me to go to as they can't be
>>>>>> done with only local people. Flying would cost more with higher gas,
>>>>>> and there is a limit of 1 cat per passenger anyway, so most people
>>>>>> can't afford several hundred dollars to take one cat to a show.
>>
>>>>> What's your business? Looks like it has something to do with cat
>>>>> shows. Pardon me while I laugh myself silly.
>>
>>>>> Cindy Hamilton
>>
>>>> Am I missing something here? She works full time and has a small
>>>> business that she runs on her days off and in her spare time. Has
>>>> something to do with photographing horses, cats, pets if I remember right.
>>
>>>> Not every business has to be Fortune 500. Personally, I have a lot of
>>>> respect for anyone who runs a small business and makes a profit, full
>>>> time or part time.
>>
>>>> George L
>>
>>> I'd have a lot more respect for a business that actually did something
>>> useful. I'm sure her customers appreciate it, but if the entire
>>> "photographing horses, cats, pets" sector of the economy disappeared,
>>> society would still soldier on somehow.
>>
>> And what do you do that is so valuable?
>
> Software engineer.
>
> Productivity tools for control systems engineers. My company's
> customers
> make controllers for stuff like aircraft brakes, aircraft engines,
> missiles,
> satellites, diesel engines (to improve fuel efficiency), tanks,
> automobile
> engines, automotive anti-lock brakes, and the like. Our products help
> them more efficient, and their controllers more reliable.

And how DID humanity survive all those millennia without all that stuff,
evil warmonger?

On Jun 17, 4:24*pm, "J. Clarke" <jclarke.use...@cox.net> wrote:
> On 6/17/2010 3:08 PM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jun 17, 1:23 pm, Ran e at Arabian Knits<arabiankn...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >> In article
> >> <2a790ad0-cbd2-4bb6-854b-036eb8c0b...@i28g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>,
> >> * Cindy Hamilton<angelicapagane...@yahoo.com> *wrote:
>
> >>> On Jun 17, 12:46 pm, George Leppla<geo...@cruisemaster.com> *wrote:
> >>>> On 6/17/2010 8:08 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:
>
> >>>>> On Jun 17, 7:52 am, "fries...@zoocrewphoto.com"
> >>>>>> If this were announced (as in, we knew it would continue up that much
> >>>>>> each year), my business would out of business. And it wouldn't even be
> >>>>>> my choice. There would be no events for me to go to as they can't be
> >>>>>> done with only local people. Flying would cost more with higher gas,
> >>>>>> and there is a limit of 1 cat per passenger anyway, so most people
> >>>>>> can't afford several hundred dollars to take one cat to a show.
>
> >>>>> What's your business? Looks like it has something to do with cat
> >>>>> shows. Pardon me while I laugh myself silly.
>
> >>>>> Cindy Hamilton
>
> >>>> Am I missing something here? She works full time and has a small
> >>>> business that she runs on her days off and in her spare time. Has
> >>>> something to do with photographing horses, cats, pets if I remember right.
>
> >>>> Not every business has to be Fortune 500. Personally, I have a lot of
> >>>> respect for anyone who runs a small business and makes a profit, full
> >>>> time or part time.
>
> >>>> George L
>
> >>> I'd have a lot more respect for a business that actually did something
> >>> useful. *I'm sure her customers appreciate it, but if the entire
> >>> "photographing horses, cats, pets" sector of the economy disappeared,
> >>> society would still soldier on somehow.
>
> >> * * And what do you do that is so valuable?
>
> > Software engineer.
>
> > Productivity tools for control systems engineers. *My company's
> > customers
> > make controllers for stuff like aircraft brakes, aircraft engines,
> > missiles,
> > satellites, diesel engines (to improve fuel efficiency), tanks,
> > automobile
> > engines, automotive anti-lock brakes, and the like. *Our products help
> > them more efficient, and their controllers more reliable.
>
> And how DID humanity survive all those millennia without all that stuff,
> evil warmonger?

WTF? You are aware, are you not, that soldier is the second-oldest
profession?
Throughout history, warfare has driven technology advancement. If it
weren't
for war, we'd be squatting in caves eating grubs.

You know, on 11 September 2001, I watched about 20 minutes of cnn.com,
and
then said "Well, it's time to do something about those bastards" and
got
back to work. What did you do about those bastards?

Look, I'd like to see an end to war as much as the next person.
However,
I'm not naive enough to think it's going to happen anytime in the next
1000 years.

Cindy Hamilton

On Jun 17, 3:06*pm, sf <s...@geemail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 17 Jun 2010 10:22:05 -0700, Dan Abel <da...@sonic.net> wrote:
> > In article <siik169neb0af7tlggadlomni82mvlg...@4ax.com>,
> > *sf <s...@geemail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Thu, 17 Jun 2010 06:08:23 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> > > <angelicapagane...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > What's your business? *Looks like it has something to do with cat
> > > > shows. *Pardon me while I laugh myself silly.
>
> > > I'm surprised you don't remember what she does, she mentions it a lot..
> > > I don't think it's silly at all. *It's good to be self employed.
>
> > But it's better, for people like me, to have a regular job. *Megan has
> > both, a regular job (which I don't believe is quite full time) and her
> > business. *She gets subsidized health care through her regular job.
>
> I didn't say that was her *only* job, Dan. *We were discussing her job
> as a pet photographer. *Cindy derided it, I defended it. *If Cindy is
> the person who trains her dogs to play flyball and drives all over the
> place to competitions, she is the last person who should be laughing
> at Megan about her choices. *

No, I'm not that Cindy.

>Frankly Cindy's attitude shocked me. *I
> thought she was a better person than that. *

Actually, I'm a horrible, hard, cynical person, who doesn't
suffer fools gladly.

>It's one thing to get all
> over Megan about her political views, but it's completely different to
> deride her for showing initiative and getting out there to take risks
> in the not very easy world of self-employment. *Megan is growing her
> business in a down economy and that says a lot.

I think Megan is admirable for taking something fundamentally
useless and making money out of it. Just like interior designers,
the inventor of the Chia Pet, and Hollywood.

Cindy Hamilton

On Jun 17, 10:22*am, Dan Abel <da...@sonic.net> wrote:
> In article <siik169neb0af7tlggadlomni82mvlg...@4ax.com>,
>
> *sf <s...@geemail.com> wrote:
> > On Thu, 17 Jun 2010 06:08:23 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> > <angelicapagane...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > What's your business? *Looks like it has something to do with cat
> > > shows. *Pardon me while I laugh myself silly.
>
> > I'm surprised you don't remember what she does, she mentions it a lot.
> > I don't think it's silly at all. *It's good to be self employed.
>
> But it's better, for people like me, to have a regular job. *Megan has
> both, a regular job (which I don't believe is quite full time) and her
> business. *She gets subsidized health care through her regular job.
>

True. Though the healthcare may change. Our contract expired May 5th,
and discussions are nowhere. Normally, we have a new contract early,
or we have months of announcements from both the company and the
union, starting in January or February. This time, both sides are very
quiet. I think the union knows we will take a loss on this contract,
but they can't push to get us mad, because they spent our strike fund.
So, we will wait and see. Once we have a contract, then we should be
stable for 3 years. I know we won't get a raise. I will simply be
happy if we don't take any major losses, such as a pay cut, much
higher health premiums, or a loss of benefits.

On Jun 17, 12:06*pm, sf <s...@geemail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 17 Jun 2010 10:22:05 -0700, Dan Abel <da...@sonic.net> wrote:
> > In article <siik169neb0af7tlggadlomni82mvlg...@4ax.com>,
> > *sf <s...@geemail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Thu, 17 Jun 2010 06:08:23 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> > > <angelicapagane...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > What's your business? *Looks like it has something to do with cat
> > > > shows. *Pardon me while I laugh myself silly.
>
> > > I'm surprised you don't remember what she does, she mentions it a lot..
> > > I don't think it's silly at all. *It's good to be self employed.
>
> > But it's better, for people like me, to have a regular job. *Megan has
> > both, a regular job (which I don't believe is quite full time) and her
> > business. *She gets subsidized health care through her regular job.
>
> I didn't say that was her *only* job, Dan. *We were discussing her job
> as a pet photographer. *Cindy derided it, I defended it. *If Cindy is
> the person who trains her dogs to play flyball and drives all over the
> place to competitions, she is the last person who should be laughing
> at Megan about her choices. *Frankly Cindy's attitude shocked me. *I
> thought she was a better person than that. *It's one thing to get all
> over Megan about her political views, but it's completely different to
> deride her for showing initiative and getting out there to take risks
> in the not very easy world of self-employment. *Megan is growing her
> business in a down economy and that says a lot.
>

Thanks. I'm actually working on the expenses for two possible shows
that will be further travel. One is in Colorado. I want to go because
I would also be able to meet a lot of people in person that I chat
with in a mailing list for my favorite breed. I may fly and go as an
exhibitor only, but I would love to go as a vendor.

I have also been invited another show just 2 weeks after that one. I
would be the official photographer as well as a vendor. That one is in
Utah.

The main question is what will gas cost in September and October. I am
doing estimates of $4 and $5 a gallon to determine my costs. I would
hope it doesn't go higher than that this year. I try to hope for the
best and plan for the worst, and figure out at what point I must
cancel.

I spent some time this morning looking at small trailers on craigslist
as I would need to use a trailer to haul enough product to make my
trip worth it. And with a different group of customers, it would be a
show to take everything, not a sampling.

Last March, I went further south to a new venue, and it was well worth
it. My gas was higher, and I added an extra hotel night so that we
could be well rested for the trip home. But my sales were really good
for a new venue. I'm ready to expand.

On Jun 17, 1:49*pm, Cindy Hamilton <angelicapagane...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
> On Jun 17, 3:06*pm, sf <s...@geemail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Thu, 17 Jun 2010 10:22:05 -0700, Dan Abel <da...@sonic.net> wrote:
> > > In article <siik169neb0af7tlggadlomni82mvlg...@4ax.com>,
> > > *sf <s...@geemail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Thu, 17 Jun 2010 06:08:23 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
> > > > <angelicapagane...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > What's your business? *Looks like it has something to do with cat
> > > > > shows. *Pardon me while I laugh myself silly.
>
> > > > I'm surprised you don't remember what she does, she mentions it a lot.
> > > > I don't think it's silly at all. *It's good to be self employed.
>
> > > But it's better, for people like me, to have a regular job. *Megan has
> > > both, a regular job (which I don't believe is quite full time) and her
> > > business. *She gets subsidized health care through her regular job.
>
> > I didn't say that was her *only* job, Dan. *We were discussing her job
> > as a pet photographer. *Cindy derided it, I defended it. *If Cindy is
> > the person who trains her dogs to play flyball and drives all over the
> > place to competitions, she is the last person who should be laughing
> > at Megan about her choices. *
>
> No, I'm not that Cindy.
>
> >Frankly Cindy's attitude shocked me. *I
> > thought she was a better person than that. *
>
> Actually, I'm a horrible, hard, cynical person, who doesn't
> suffer fools gladly.
>
> >It's one thing to get all
> > over Megan about her political views, but it's completely different to
> > deride her for showing initiative and getting out there to take risks
> > in the not very easy world of self-employment. *Megan is growing her
> > business in a down economy and that says a lot.
>
> I think Megan is admirable for taking something fundamentally
> useless and making money out of it. *Just like interior designers,
> the inventor of the Chia Pet, and Hollywood.
>

I realize it is your game to insult me, but I'll play anyway.

Would you buy products if they did not have photos on the packaging?
Would you look at an ad that just had names of products and prices
without any photos?

Photos are a necessary part of business to promote products and
services.

Are you against all photography businesses or just pet photography?
Most of my customers are breeders. Not the backyard breeders who breed
anything with testicles and a uterus, but the people who have their
cats (or dogs, horses, etc) judged to make sure they meet the
standards. They also get health testing appropriate to the breed to
avoid passing along a variety of bad health problems. This could be x-
rays to make sure there is no sign of hip dysplasia (they must wait
until age 2 for an accurate result). It could be an ultrasound to
check the heart. Or even genetic testing which is done for many breeds
now. These people spend a lot of money to make sure they have great
examples of the breed who are healthy. So, they need good photos to
advertise their cattery or kennel. For many of them, it is a business
investment. They aren't using snap shots. They need photos that have
the cat in the right pose to show off the body type, the eyes (color
and shape), etc. And that will vary from breed to breed.

On Thu, 17 Jun 2010 13:49:17 -0700 (PDT), Cindy Hamilton
<[email protected]> wrote:

> No, I'm not that Cindy.

In that case, I apologize for mixing you up with someone else.

--
Forget the health food. I need all the preservatives I can get.

"sf" <[email protected]> ha scritto nel messaggio

> She has two jobs. One that provides a regular salary and benefits and>
> she is building her own business in the other as a pet photographer.
> She also sells pet supplys at her booth. I don't think part time self>
> employment is anything to laugh at, it shows initiative. Honestly,> which
> is funnier - training dogs to play flyball (if Cindy is the one> who does
> that) or gainful self-employment photographing pets?

I don't object to any work choice, but she expects cheap petroleum to keep
her at it. Either this disposable income product she sells goes up in price
or she quits, because the petroleum business is global, there is a finite
annual supply and no one has the right to insist that they deserve a lower
price. She notices that attendance drops off as gas prices go up. So what?
In truth, things eventually level out once higher prices are in place. $10
a gallon gas never stopped Italians from getting about, but they bought more
efficient cars, used the available public transport and installed alternate
LPG systems (at ?1500) and went on. I get invited to about 12 tangeria
every week, all requiring a car to get to. That equates with her cat shows.
But neither my tangeria nor her cat show should put buses and ambulances off
the road.

Italian farmers, who mostly use diesel fuel, get a break on certain taxes
applying to fuel delivered to their farm tank. As I recall, American
farmers also had special privileges. They were the only ones who had gas a
times during the 1970s gas crisis. They filled their cars with it and went
to town.

"Ranée at Arabian Knits" <[email protected]> ha scritto nel messaggio
> George Leppla <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> On 6/17/2010 8:08 AM, Cindy Hamilton wrote:


>> >> If this were announced (as in, we knew it would continue up that
>> >> much>> >> each year), my business would out of business. And it
>> >> wouldn't even be
>> >> my choice. There would be no events for me to go to as they can't be>>
>> >> >> done with only local people. Flying would cost more with higher
>> >> gas,
>> >> and there is a limit of 1 cat per passenger anyway, so most people
>> >> can't afford several hundred dollars to take one cat to a show.
>> >
>> > What's your business? Looks like it has something to do with cat
>> > shows. Pardon me while I laugh myself silly.
>> >
>> > Cindy Hamilton
>>
>>
>> Am I missing something here? She works full time and has a small >>
>> business that she runs on her days off and in her spare time. Has >>
>> something to do with photographing horses, cats, pets if I remember
>> right.

> True, but don't you know that if a business doesn't seem prestigious >
> enough or have enough cache, then it is risible. Who cares if it fills
> a need or provides a service that people want?

Your sarcstic response ignores the fact that she was claiming a right to
cheap gas because of her second business. The law of the market says her
product must go up in price to reflect the true costs of producing and
distributing it. Although probably her job is more prestigious than
collecting garbage, the garbage truck shouldn't run out of gas because her
pet photography prices have not kept up with the ecer increasing prices of
energy.

We have all the luxuries, all the maginally important items, all the
servicesof the US and perhaps a few more, and it all runs on gas at $6.64
per gallon currently.

On Jun 18, 12:38*am, "Giusi" <decob...@gmail.com> wrote:
> "sf" <s...@geemail.com> ha scritto nel messaggio
>
> > She has two jobs. *One that provides a regular salary and benefits and>
> > she is building her own business in the other as a pet photographer.
> > She also sells pet supplys at her booth. *I don't think part time self>
> > employment is anything to laugh at, it shows initiative. *Honestly,> which
> > is funnier - training dogs to play flyball (if Cindy is the one> who does
> > that) or gainful self-employment photographing pets?
>
> I don't object to any work choice, but she expects cheap petroleum to keep
> her at it. *Either this disposable income product she sells goes up in price
> or she quits,

I cannot to afford to raise my prices. The whole point is that my
customers that manage to show up have less money to spend because of
the gas costs, so they can't buy as much. If I raise my prices, then I
simply lose the sales I would have gotten.

Every product has a price range that works. When gas prices went up,
sales for more expensive items go down because they are now prices too
high to sell. But when the gas goes down, those sales go back up
again.

I am using examples that affect me, but it isn't just me. Most
businesses have the same problems.

because the petroleum business is global, there is a finite
> annual supply and no one has the right to insist that they deserve a lower
> price.

I didn't say that I deserve a lower price. I explained what will
happen if the price goes up too high. This was in response to somebody
suggesting that $10 a gallon would be a good thing. I have seen
economic problems at $4, so I know it will only get worse if it goes
higher than that.



*She notices that attendance drops off as gas prices go up. *So what?

Well for me, that means I go out of business. For a lot of others as
well. In a variety of markets. Last year, when gas was high, sales at
the grocery store were much lower. Hours were cut. People lost income.
That's what happens when people have less money.

> In truth, things eventually level out once higher prices are in place. *$10
> a gallon gas never stopped Italians from getting about,


May I ask how quickly that came about? For us, $1 increase in less
than a year was a huge change. For many people, that meant an extra
$50 - $100 a month in gas costs. That makes a difference.

>but they bought more
> efficient cars, used the available public transport and installed alternate
> LPG systems (at ?1500) and went on.

Well, our public transport sucks. Buses run on certain larger streets.
Park and rides are too small, so unless you get there really early,
there is no parking available. They started a new light rail, but it
only goes from the airport to downtown. Kinda useless if you don't
live near the airport and don't need to finish your trip in downtown
Seattle. It needs to go from Tacoma through Seattle, and further
north. And there need to be more bus routes once you get off. Instead,
they canceled a bunch of routes and are canceling more later this
year. I have a friend who works downtown, and soon, the bus that goes
by the airport down the the main artery here will be canceled. They
already got rid of the express that takes the freeway. This one stops
every few blocks. My friend lives 2 miles south of the airport and
does not drive. Once that bus quits, he will have to walk the 2 miles
or pay for a taxi.

Newer cars are more expensive, but many people do not want to spend
$15,000 for a new vehicle. That is not practical on a lower income or
even a medium income sometimes. My parents are in their 70s, and they
bought only one brand new vehicle in their lifetime, back in 1973.
That is one way that they live within their means.


*I get invited to about 12 tangeria
> every week, all requiring a car to get to. *That equates with her cat shows.

Really?

Do you earn money at these? Is it your business? Do you spend $100-400
to attend? Do you have to travel far?

I have 22 cat shows scheduled this year. The closest one was 28 miles
away. The next closest (3 of them) were 42 miles away. After that, we
have 4 shows at 74 miles. The one day shows require two trips and the
2 days shows require 3 trips as I have a setup day as well as the show
days. All of these shows have lower entries because most of the
exhibitors come from Oregon.

That moves us to the next category. The shows with one trip because
they are further and I stay in a hotel overnight rather than drive
home each night. 4 shows at 114 miles, 3 shows at 157 miles, and then
there are the shows at 176, 205, 269, and 850.

Not a single show in Seattle, where I live. I'm not talking about a
quick drive across town. But hauling a van load of equipment and
products much further away. And hoping that 100 or more people also
come from far away, many of them with larger vehicles as they bring
several cats (in carriers), all of their supplies, and their own
travel items.




> But neither my tangeria nor her cat show should put buses and ambulances off
> the road.
>

Where did that idea come from? Why would my business remove buses and
ambulances from the road. Those are paid for by taxes and bus riders.