Thread: Re: The End of Paula Deen's Signature Cooking Style

On Sun, 15 Jan 2012 12:57:36 -0800 (PST), ImStillMags
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On Jan 14, 7:42*pm, Sqwertz <swe...@cluemail.compost> wrote:
>
>
>This is how you do the diseases of civilization right, people.
>First, you get rich selling cookbooks that describe how to give
>oneself diabetes.
>Next, you get diagnosed with type 2 diabetes yourself.
>Finally, you get yourself a multimillion dollar spokesperson deal with
>the pharmaceutical company that makes your diabetes medication.
>(I don’t mean to make light of the sad news that Paula has diabetes,
>but there is some irony here, I’m sure of it.)

Like the Marlboro man dying of cancer.

Lou

On Jan 15, 12:57*pm, ImStillMags <sitara8...@gmail.com> wrote:
> ......
> First, you get rich selling cookbooks that describe how to give
> oneself diabetes.......

This implies that diabetes is caused by diet. I don't think the
medical community would buy that. -aem

On Jan 15, 1:35*pm, aem <aem_ag...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Jan 15, 12:57*pm, ImStillMags <sitara8...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > ......
> > First, you get rich selling cookbooks that describe how to give
> > oneself diabetes.......
>
> This implies that diabetes is caused by diet. *I don't think the
> medical community would buy that. * * -aem

The 'medical community' is bought and paid for by the pharmaceutical
companies. "conventional wisdom" that
diabetes

On Jan 15, 3:35*pm, aem <aem_ag...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Jan 15, 12:57*pm, ImStillMags <sitara8...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > ......
> > First, you get rich selling cookbooks that describe how to give
> > oneself diabetes.......
>
> This implies that diabetes is caused by diet. *I don't think the
> medical community would buy that. * * -aem

Diet is an inarguable contributory factor to developing "type II" or
non-insulin dependent Diabetes Mellitus. Type I or insulin dependent
DM normally develops quickly and when a person is quite young, which
is why it had been called "juvenile diabetes" and involves substantial
or total destruction of the pancreatic insulin-producing beta cells of
the islets of Langerhans. Type II or non-insulin dependent DM has a
web of "causes":

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diabete...s_type_2#Cause

diet being a prime factor.


And yes, the medical community (of which I am one of) buys it!

John Kuthe...

"aem" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]..
On Jan 15, 12:57 pm, ImStillMags <sitara8...@gmail.com> wrote:
> ......
> First, you get rich selling cookbooks that describe how to give
> oneself diabetes.......

This implies that diabetes is caused by diet. I don't think the
medical community would buy that. -aem

I thought the medical community was pushing that concept, despite the
scientific evidence to the contrary.

Pico Rico <[email protected]> wrote:

>This implies that diabetes is caused by diet. I don't think the
>medical community would buy that.

It depends what you mean by "caused by diet". If a person has
prediabetes, it's established that their progression to diabetes
is affected by diet. Also, if a person has newly diagnosed
Type 2 diabetes and is obese, their outlook improves if their
caloric input is reduced (including, those who go through a
gastric bypass procedure at this point have an improved outlook).

What hasn't been established is whether a person's lifetime risk
of diabetes is affected by their lifelong diet. There are strong
hints in this direction, including from studies of native American
populations, but no proof. There perhaps never will be any proof
because there are too many confounding variables.

Steve

On Jan 15, 4:54*pm, spop...@speedymail.org (Steve Pope) wrote:
> Pico Rico <PicoR...@nonospam.com> wrote:
> >This implies that diabetes is caused by diet. *I don't think the
> >medical community would buy that.
>
> It depends what you mean by "caused by diet". *If a person has
> prediabetes, it's established that their progression to diabetes
> is affected by diet. *Also, if a person has newly diagnosed
> Type 2 diabetes and is obese, their outlook improves if their
> caloric input is reduced (including, those who go through a
> gastric bypass procedure at this point have an improved outlook).
>
> What hasn't been established is whether a person's lifetime risk
> of diabetes is affected by their lifelong diet. *There are strong
> hints in this direction, including from studies of native American
> populations, but no proof. *There perhaps never will be any proof
> because there are too many confounding variables.
>
> Steve

You've got it, Steve!! "Caused" is an awfully strong word!

John Kuthe...

aem wrote:
> On Jan 15, 12:57 pm, ImStillMags <sitara8...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> ......
>> First, you get rich selling cookbooks that describe how to give
>> oneself diabetes.......
>
> This implies that diabetes is caused by diet. I don't think the
> medical community would buy that. -aem

They wouldn't.

John Kuthe wrote:
> On Jan 15, 3:35 pm, aem <aem_ag...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On Jan 15, 12:57 pm, ImStillMags <sitara8...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> ......
>>> First, you get rich selling cookbooks that describe how to give
>>> oneself diabetes.......
>>
>> This implies that diabetes is caused by diet. I don't think the
>> medical community would buy that. -aem
>
> Diet is an inarguable contributory factor to developing "type II" or
> non-insulin dependent Diabetes Mellitus. Type I or insulin dependent
> DM normally develops quickly and when a person is quite young, which
> is why it had been called "juvenile diabetes" and involves substantial
> or total destruction of the pancreatic insulin-producing beta cells of
> the islets of Langerhans. Type II or non-insulin dependent DM has a
> web of "causes":
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diabete...s_type_2#Cause
>
> diet being a prime factor.
>
>
> And yes, the medical community (of which I am one of) buys it!
>
> John Kuthe...

Very much disagree. At the time I was diagnosed I was eating a low fat,
vegetarian diet. Almost Ornish but unlike Ornish I did eat some cheese and
eggs. And I was getting plenty of exercise.

Pico Rico wrote:
> "aem" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]..
> On Jan 15, 12:57 pm, ImStillMags <sitara8...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> ......
>> First, you get rich selling cookbooks that describe how to give
>> oneself diabetes.......
>
> This implies that diabetes is caused by diet. I don't think the
> medical community would buy that. -aem
>
> I thought the medical community was pushing that concept, despite the
> scientific evidence to the contrary.

My daughter is 13 and was diagnosed with very high insulin production and
subsequent insulin resistance. So far no high blood sugar. She was told to
eat a low carb diet in the hopes that this will help knock down the amount
of insulin she produces. Too soon to tell if it will help but she is also
on a diabetes med to help with the insulin resistance.

On Jan 15, 5:16*pm, "Julie Bove" <julieb...@frontier.com> wrote:
> John Kuthe wrote:
> > On Jan 15, 3:35 pm, aem <aem_ag...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> On Jan 15, 12:57 pm, ImStillMags <sitara8...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>> ......
> >>> First, you get rich selling cookbooks that describe how to give
> >>> oneself diabetes.......
>
> >> This implies that diabetes is caused by diet. I don't think the
> >> medical community would buy that. -aem
>
> > Diet is an inarguable contributory factor to developing "type II" or
> > non-insulin dependent Diabetes Mellitus. Type I or insulin dependent
> > DM normally develops quickly and when a person is quite young, which
> > is why it had been called "juvenile diabetes" and involves substantial
> > or total destruction of the pancreatic insulin-producing beta cells of
> > the islets of Langerhans. Type II or non-insulin dependent DM has a
> > web of "causes":
>
> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diabete...s_type_2#Cause
>
> > diet being a prime factor.
>
> > And yes, the medical community (of which I am one of) *buys it!
>
> > John Kuthe...
>
> Very much disagree. *At the time I was diagnosed I was eating a low fat,
> vegetarian diet. *Almost Ornish but unlike Ornish I did eat some cheeseand
> eggs. *And I was getting plenty of exercise.

That's what I mean when I said "causes" is a very strong word. Almost
nothing in health sciences is a 100% guaranteed thing. Like smoking.
Not everyone who smokes cigarettes gets lung or other forms of cancer.
But smoking is the #1 most likely caused of any cancer. And there are
plenty of people who get cancer who never smoked cigarettes.

And like with you, you do everything right dietarially and
exercisewise, and wham! you get DM anyway. Go figure!

Life's a crap shoot like that! That's why I laugh at Bryan and all his
technical minutia about this type and that type of fat. He thinks he's
being so smart and careful not to ingest any of the "wrong" kinds of
fat, and he's gonna get CVD anyway! We all will, eventually, to some
degree.

And if nothing else kills us first, cancer will. That you can take to
the bank too! Isn't that a happy thought??!!

John Kuthe...

On Jan 15, 5:18*pm, "Julie Bove" <julieb...@frontier.com> wrote:
> Pico Rico wrote:
> > "aem" <aem_ag...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >news:[email protected]..
> > On Jan 15, 12:57 pm, ImStillMags <sitara8...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> ......
> >> First, you get rich selling cookbooks that describe how to give
> >> oneself diabetes.......
>
> > This implies that diabetes is caused by diet. *I don't think the
> > medical community would buy that. * * -aem
>
> > I thought the medical community was pushing that concept, despite the
> > scientific evidence to the contrary.
>
> My daughter is 13 and was diagnosed with very high insulin production and
> subsequent insulin resistance. *So far no high blood sugar. *She was told to
> eat a low carb diet in the hopes that this will help knock down the amount
> of insulin she produces. *Too soon to tell if it will help but she is also
> on a diabetes med to help with the insulin resistance.

It will also keep her from getting fat, which is aesthetic advantage.
Fat women are considered to be unattractive in our culture. She is at
a crossroad. She could end up obese and diabetic, or she could make
insulin fairly irrelevant by eliminating starches and high GI fruits,
and eat a more ketogenic diet.

It is tragic when a 13 YO has already become insulin resistant, but at
that age it's certainly not too late.

--Bryan

"Julie Bove" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:jevmih$j07$[email protected]..
> aem wrote:
>> On Jan 15, 12:57 pm, ImStillMags <sitara8...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> ......
>>> First, you get rich selling cookbooks that describe how to give
>>> oneself diabetes.......
>>
>> This implies that diabetes is caused by diet. I don't think the
>> medical community would buy that. -aem
>
> They wouldn't.
>

But - here in Alabama, the newspapers howl that we've got to do something
(?) about obesity because it causes diabetes. Not true in every case but is
it ever true or is that just one more myth we are subjected to? Polly

Bryan wrote:
> On Jan 15, 5:18 pm, "Julie Bove" <julieb...@frontier.com> wrote:
>> Pico Rico wrote:
>>> "aem" <aem_ag...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>> news:[email protected]..
>>> On Jan 15, 12:57 pm, ImStillMags <sitara8...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> ......
>>>> First, you get rich selling cookbooks that describe how to give
>>>> oneself diabetes.......
>>
>>> This implies that diabetes is caused by diet. I don't think the
>>> medical community would buy that. -aem
>>
>>> I thought the medical community was pushing that concept, despite
>>> the scientific evidence to the contrary.
>>
>> My daughter is 13 and was diagnosed with very high insulin
>> production and subsequent insulin resistance. So far no high blood
>> sugar. She was told to eat a low carb diet in the hopes that this
>> will help knock down the amount of insulin she produces. Too soon to
>> tell if it will help but she is also on a diabetes med to help with
>> the insulin resistance.
>
> It will also keep her from getting fat, which is aesthetic advantage.
> Fat women are considered to be unattractive in our culture. She is at
> a crossroad. She could end up obese and diabetic, or she could make
> insulin fairly irrelevant by eliminating starches and high GI fruits,
> and eat a more ketogenic diet.
>
> It is tragic when a 13 YO has already become insulin resistant, but at
> that age it's certainly not too late.

I have seen no evidence that a low carb diet will keep one from getting fat.
IMO, people who go to a low carb diet and stick to it might lose weight
because they are no longer eating the calories they ate from carbs.
However... I know plenty of fat people who also eat low carb.

Polly Esther wrote:
> "Julie Bove" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:jevmih$j07$[email protected]..
>> aem wrote:
>>> On Jan 15, 12:57 pm, ImStillMags <sitara8...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> ......
>>>> First, you get rich selling cookbooks that describe how to give
>>>> oneself diabetes.......
>>>
>>> This implies that diabetes is caused by diet. I don't think the
>>> medical community would buy that. -aem
>>
>> They wouldn't.
>>
>
> But - here in Alabama, the newspapers howl that we've got to do
> something (?) about obesity because it causes diabetes. Not true in
> every case but is it ever true or is that just one more myth we are
> subjected to? Polly

If obesity caused diabetes, then every obese person would have it. And they
don't!

On Jan 15, 9:00*pm, Bryan <bryangsimm...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jan 15, 5:18*pm, "Julie Bove" <julieb...@frontier.com> wrote:
>

>
> > Pico Rico wrote:
> > > "aem" <aem_ag...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > >news:[email protected]...
> > > On Jan 15, 12:57 pm, ImStillMags <sitara8...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> ......
> > >> First, you get rich selling cookbooks that describe how to give
> > >> oneself diabetes.......
>
> > > This implies that diabetes is caused by diet. *I don't think the
> > > medical community would buy that. * * -aem
>
> > > I thought the medical community was pushing that concept, despite the
> > > scientific evidence to the contrary.
>
> > My daughter is 13 and was diagnosed with very high insulin production and
> > subsequent insulin resistance. *So far no high blood sugar. *She was told to
> > eat a low carb diet in the hopes that this will help knock down the amount
> > of insulin she produces. *Too soon to tell if it will help but she isalso
> > on a diabetes med to help with the insulin resistance.
>
> It will also keep her from getting fat, which is aesthetic advantage.
> Fat women are considered to be unattractive in our culture.

What is considered to be fat and unattractive has changed over the
years. Lucy Ricardo's "fat" 50's sidekick Ethel Mertz hardly registers
as plump today. The onslaught of vanity women's clothing sizes
(replacing a sizing standard* put out by the US National Bureau of
Standards) makes every woman at least two sizes smaller than she used
to be. (I have noticed that the more expensive the clothing line, the
smaller the size my wife takes.) When every woman you see is at least
a little chunky, then chunky is the new svelte.

*Commercial Standard (CS)215-58

http://museum.nist.gov/exhibits/apparel/role.htm

spamtrap1888 wrote:
> On Jan 15, 9:00 pm, Bryan <bryangsimm...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Jan 15, 5:18 pm, "Julie Bove" <julieb...@frontier.com> wrote:
>>
>
>>
>>> Pico Rico wrote:
>>>> "aem" <aem_ag...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:[email protected]..
>>>> On Jan 15, 12:57 pm, ImStillMags <sitara8...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> ......
>>>>> First, you get rich selling cookbooks that describe how to give
>>>>> oneself diabetes.......
>>
>>>> This implies that diabetes is caused by diet. I don't think the
>>>> medical community would buy that. -aem
>>
>>>> I thought the medical community was pushing that concept, despite
>>>> the scientific evidence to the contrary.
>>
>>> My daughter is 13 and was diagnosed with very high insulin
>>> production and subsequent insulin resistance. So far no high blood
>>> sugar. She was told to eat a low carb diet in the hopes that this
>>> will help knock down the amount of insulin she produces. Too soon
>>> to tell if it will help but she is also on a diabetes med to help
>>> with the insulin resistance.
>>
>> It will also keep her from getting fat, which is aesthetic advantage.
>> Fat women are considered to be unattractive in our culture.
>
> What is considered to be fat and unattractive has changed over the
> years. Lucy Ricardo's "fat" 50's sidekick Ethel Mertz hardly registers
> as plump today. The onslaught of vanity women's clothing sizes
> (replacing a sizing standard* put out by the US National Bureau of
> Standards) makes every woman at least two sizes smaller than she used
> to be. (I have noticed that the more expensive the clothing line, the
> smaller the size my wife takes.) When every woman you see is at least
> a little chunky, then chunky is the new svelte.
>
> *Commercial Standard (CS)215-58
>
> http://museum.nist.gov/exhibits/apparel/role.htm

That's very true.

Some years ago I went into my mom's rag drawer and found a pair of my pants
from Jr. High or High school. They were labeled as a size 14 and they were
very small looking. These days size 14 is considered a plus size.

On Jan 15, 11:03*pm, "Polly Esther" <Polly...@cableone.net> wrote:
> "Julie Bove" <julieb...@frontier.com> wrote in message
>
> news:jevmih$j07$[email protected]..
>
> > aem wrote:
> >> On Jan 15, 12:57 pm, ImStillMags <sitara8...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> ......
> >>> First, you get rich selling cookbooks that describe how to give
> >>> oneself diabetes.......
>
> >> This implies that diabetes is caused by diet. *I don't think the
> >> medical community would buy that. * * -aem
>
> > They wouldn't.
>
> But - here in Alabama, the newspapers howl that we've got to do something
> (?) about obesity because it causes diabetes. *Not true in every case but is
> it ever true or is that just one more myth we are subjected to? *Polly

It's not entirely myth. You folks just don't get it!! Almost nothing
is 100% cause and effect when it comes to your health and diet! Get it
right! There are some obese people that never develop diabetes, and
there are some thin people that do develop diabetes!! But the
percentage of obese people who develop diabetes is much greater than
the percentage of thin people who develop it!!

One thing that is apparently VERY prevalent all over the U.S. and
particularly *more* prevalent in the southeastern states is obesity.
And it's been getting worse everywhere in the U.S. and getting worse
FASTER in the southeast! The CDC has been compiling yearly statistics
and they are frightening!!

http://www.cdc.gov/nccdphp/dnpa/obes...maps/index.htm

Paula Deen cooking style is certainly contributory. (Notice I did NOT
say "causal"!)

John Kuthe...

On 1/16/2012 2:11 AM, spamtrap1888 wrote:

> What is considered to be fat and unattractive has changed over the
> years. Lucy Ricardo's "fat" 50's sidekick Ethel Mertz hardly registers
> as plump today. The onslaught of vanity women's clothing sizes
> (replacing a sizing standard* put out by the US National Bureau of
> Standards) makes every woman at least two sizes smaller than she used
> to be. (I have noticed that the more expensive the clothing line, the
> smaller the size my wife takes.) When every woman you see is at least
> a little chunky, then chunky is the new svelte.

It makes it hard to buy clothing, too. You can't go buy
size when you choose what to take into the dressing room.

When I was 20 or thereabouts, at 5'2" I would have to go to
an 11/12 if my weight got up to 120. Now you see people
weighing 150 and they're all happy to be in a size 4. Unless
all your weight is in your feet, it's not really a size 4.
Sizes don't mean much at all anymore.

I wonder where actually tiny people shop, I should ask my
mother. Anything labeled even XS would be a tent on her
anymore.

nancy