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  1. #1
    SteveBurr Guest

    Default range cooker recommendations (UK)

    I need to replace my range cooker. Having had awful experiences with
    my current cooker (I wouldn't suggest buying Baumatic to a mortal
    enemy) I'm looking for something a lot better - but I can't find
    anything that doesn't smell of the same flaws.

    One thing that failed on the Baumatic was the control knobs - they are
    just too flimsy. But every cooker I look at also has controls that
    feel: cheap, plastic and just don't feel right when I try them to see
    if they're any good.

    Why do all the range cookers I look at have a body like a battleship
    but controls that would only be appropriate on a toy! And price makes
    no difference: 800 to 3000 - all have crap controls.

    I need a 90cm and prefer dual fuel. but that's not really the issue:
    I'm just looking for any manufacturer that doesn't use the cheapest
    components.

    A grill that actually grilled rather than warmed from above would be
    nice too.

  2. #2
    Polly Esther Guest

    Default Re: range cooker recommendations (UK)


    "SteveBurr" <> wrote I need to replace my range cooker. Having had awful
    experiences with
    my current cooker (I wouldn't suggest buying Baumatic to a mortal
    enemy) I'm looking for something a lot better - but I can't find
    anything that doesn't smell of the same flaws.

    One thing that failed on the Baumatic was the control knobs - they are
    just too flimsy. But every cooker I look at also has controls that
    feel: cheap, plastic and just don't feel right when I try them to see
    if they're any good.

    Why do all the range cookers I look at have a body like a battleship
    but controls that would only be appropriate on a toy! And price makes
    no difference: 800 to 3000 - all have crap controls.

    I need a 90cm and prefer dual fuel. but that's not really the issue:
    I'm just looking for any manufacturer that doesn't use the cheapest
    components.

    A grill that actually grilled rather than warmed from above would be
    nice too.

    I see this post comes from UK and just guessing think Steve is meaning a
    stove/range to some of us. Steve, it took about ten years for us to find a
    good one. Price was not a help. Some of the outrageously expensive ones
    have terrible reputations. Really.
    You'll probably have to make some compromises. I did not want a
    ceramic/glass cooktop. I could Not find a fine range without one.
    I hope someone here familiar with your shopping access can recommend one
    for you that doesn't have crappy controls. Polly


  3. #3
    Storrmmee Guest

    Default Re: range cooker recommendations (UK)

    i don't mean to hijack but now that you are used to it how is the smooth
    surface cooking? Lee
    "Polly Esther" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]..
    >
    > "SteveBurr" <> wrote I need to replace my range cooker. Having had awful
    > experiences with
    > my current cooker (I wouldn't suggest buying Baumatic to a mortal
    > enemy) I'm looking for something a lot better - but I can't find
    > anything that doesn't smell of the same flaws.
    >
    > One thing that failed on the Baumatic was the control knobs - they are
    > just too flimsy. But every cooker I look at also has controls that
    > feel: cheap, plastic and just don't feel right when I try them to see
    > if they're any good.
    >
    > Why do all the range cookers I look at have a body like a battleship
    > but controls that would only be appropriate on a toy! And price makes
    > no difference: 800 to 3000 - all have crap controls.
    >
    > I need a 90cm and prefer dual fuel. but that's not really the issue:
    > I'm just looking for any manufacturer that doesn't use the cheapest
    > components.
    >
    > A grill that actually grilled rather than warmed from above would be
    > nice too.
    >
    > I see this post comes from UK and just guessing think Steve is meaning a
    > stove/range to some of us. Steve, it took about ten years for us to find
    > a good one. Price was not a help. Some of the outrageously expensive
    > ones have terrible reputations. Really.
    > You'll probably have to make some compromises. I did not want a
    > ceramic/glass cooktop. I could Not find a fine range without one.
    > I hope someone here familiar with your shopping access can recommend
    > one for you that doesn't have crappy controls. Polly
    >




  4. #4
    Storrmmee Guest

    Default Re: range cooker recommendations (UK)

    thanks, its what we got, can't remember any details, but am dreading getting
    used to it, but dh said he would get me a hot plate if it was too much, lol,
    Lee
    "Polly Esther" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]..
    >
    > "Storrmmee" <> wrote ...
    >>i don't mean to hijack but now that you are used to it how is the smooth
    >>surface cooking? Lee
    >> "Polly Esther" <> wrote >> "SteveBurr" <> wrote I need to replace my
    >> range cooker. Having had awful
    >>> experiences with
    >>> my current cooker (I wouldn't suggest buying Baumatic to a mortal
    >>> enemy) I'm looking for something a lot better - but I can't find
    >>> anything that doesn't smell of the same flaws.
    >>>
    >>> One thing that failed on the Baumatic was the control knobs - they are
    >>> just too flimsy. But every cooker I look at also has controls that
    >>> feel: cheap, plastic and just don't feel right when I try them to see
    >>> if they're any good.
    >>>
    >>> Why do all the range cookers I look at have a body like a battleship
    >>> but controls that would only be appropriate on a toy! And price makes
    >>> no difference: 800 to 3000 - all have crap controls.
    >>>
    >>> I need a 90cm and prefer dual fuel. but that's not really the issue:
    >>> I'm just looking for any manufacturer that doesn't use the cheapest
    >>> components.
    >>>
    >>> A grill that actually grilled rather than warmed from above would be
    >>> nice too.
    >>>
    >>> I see this post comes from UK and just guessing think Steve is meaning a
    >>> stove/range to some of us. Steve, it took about ten years for us to
    >>> find a good one. Price was not a help. Some of the outrageously
    >>> expensive ones have terrible reputations. Really.
    >>> You'll probably have to make some compromises. I did not want a
    >>> ceramic/glass cooktop. I could Not find a fine range without one.
    >>> I hope someone here familiar with your shopping access can recommend
    >>> one for you that doesn't have crappy controls. Polly

    >
    > Heck, Lee. Hijack if you take a notion. Too many take this group as an
    > opportunity to exchange obscenities. The smooth top is a thing of beauty
    > and a joy. The only wee little need I've had with ours is that it was
    > hard to just 'automatically' know which knob was for front and which for
    > back burners. Tired of that, I took a permanent marker and wrote boldly
    > an "F" for the ones on the front. That took care of that. It's my stove
    > top. I paid for it and my old eyes appreciate the end of that problem. I
    > guess the only disaster I haven't encountered is what if you have a major
    > boil-over mess such as spaghetti sauce. Hasn't happened yet. I guess when
    > it does I'll clean it up. Polly




  5. #5
    Giusi Guest

    Default Re: range cooker recommendations (UK)


    "SteveBurr" <[email protected]> ha scritto nel messaggio
    I need to replace my range cooker. Having had awful experiences with
    my current cooker (I wouldn't suggest buying Baumatic to a mortal
    enemy) I'm looking for something a lot better - but I can't find
    anything that doesn't smell of the same flaws.


    I bought a Tecnogas and do not regret it. IN 11 years one handle has
    partially broken when if sprang off and hit the hard tiled floor. But
    that's replaceable. It has a gas top and an electric oven. I wish the oven
    were self cleaning but at that time none here were. I use a degreqaser
    spray and a microfiber cloth to keep it clean and that works ok if you do it
    every time. It otherwise seems built like a little tank. Stainless steel
    with 2 heavy grates on top that can be squeezed into the dishwasher with a
    bit of care. Safety gas sealed burners. The 90 cm one has 5 hobs, mine has
    only 4.

    I considered it mid-priced when I bought it. Once I saw it I didn't look
    further. I recently saw a 90 cm Rex that I liked a lot.



  6. #6
    Janet Guest

    Default Re: range cooker recommendations (UK)

    In article <[email protected]>, [email protected]
    says...
    >
    > thanks, its what we got, can't remember any details, but am dreading getting
    > used to it, but dh said he would get me a hot plate if it was too much, lol,
    > Lee


    I've had a glass-top for 9 years and like it. The controls on mine are
    intuitive to use.

    I was thinking you may have a problem placing pans right on the hot spot,
    then realised that will be easy; if you turn a "ring" full on it almost
    instantly glows red against black , place pan, turn down again (they are
    FAST responders).

    For someone with limited sight, glass hobs must be the easiest to clean.

    Janet

  7. #7
    Janet Guest

    Default Re: range cooker recommendations (UK)

    In article <088943b8-d4b3-448a-ac34-4a72ee3be115
    @n10g2000vbg.googlegroups.com>, [email protected] says...
    >
    > I need to replace my range cooker. Having had awful experiences with
    > my current cooker (I wouldn't suggest buying Baumatic to a mortal
    > enemy) I'm looking for something a lot better - but I can't find
    > anything that doesn't smell of the same flaws.
    >
    > One thing that failed on the Baumatic was the control knobs - they are
    > just too flimsy. But every cooker I look at also has controls that
    > feel: cheap, plastic and just don't feel right when I try them to see
    > if they're any good.
    >
    > Why do all the range cookers I look at have a body like a battleship
    > but controls that would only be appropriate on a toy! And price makes
    > no difference: 800 to 3000 - all have crap controls.
    >
    > I need a 90cm and prefer dual fuel. but that's not really the issue:
    > I'm just looking for any manufacturer that doesn't use the cheapest
    > components.


    Have you tried the Which reports? should be available online or in your
    local library . Or, ask in a uk cooking group

    uk.food+drink.misc

    Janet UK


  8. #8
    Janet Wilder Guest

    Default Re: range cooker recommendations (UK)

    On 12/19/2011 12:46 AM, Polly Esther wrote:

    > Heck, Lee. Hijack if you take a notion. Too many take this group as an
    > opportunity to exchange obscenities. The smooth top is a thing of beauty
    > and a joy. The only wee little need I've had with ours is that it was
    > hard to just 'automatically' know which knob was for front and which for
    > back burners. Tired of that, I took a permanent marker and wrote boldly
    > an "F" for the ones on the front. That took care of that. It's my stove
    > top. I paid for it and my old eyes appreciate the end of that problem. I
    > guess the only disaster I haven't encountered is what if you have a
    > major boil-over mess such as spaghetti sauce. Hasn't happened yet. I
    > guess when it does I'll clean it up. Polly


    One thing I learned with mine: if something like soup boils over, wait
    to clean it up. I had a pot of chicken soup boil over and wiped it up
    immediately and it cooled the glass too quickly and the top cracked.
    Now if I have a boil over, I will blot up a little of it and wait until
    later to clean up. The range manufacturer recommends the red colored 3M
    scrubbers, but I use the green ones (3M brand only) and they do not
    scratch.

    Also, don't use a pot that is too large for the burner. It's not a
    problem if the pot base is larger than the burner but if it's several
    inches larger than the burner, it will crack. Got this tip from the
    fellow who replaced mine. He said people using big tamale pots (huge
    steamers) broke the tips more than anyone else.
    --
    Janet Wilder
    Way-the-heck-south Texas
    Spelling doesn't count. Cooking does.

  9. #9
    Gary Guest

    Default Re: range cooker recommendations (UK)

    Janet Wilder wrote:

    > One thing I learned with mine: if something like soup boils over, wait
    > to clean it up. I had a pot of chicken soup boil over and wiped it up
    > immediately and it cooled the glass too quickly and the top cracked.
    > Now if I have a boil over, I will blot up a little of it and wait until
    > later to clean up. The range manufacturer recommends the red colored 3M
    > scrubbers, but I use the green ones (3M brand only) and they do not
    > scratch.
    >
    > Also, don't use a pot that is too large for the burner. It's not a
    > problem if the pot base is larger than the burner but if it's several
    > inches larger than the burner, it will crack. Got this tip from the
    > fellow who replaced mine. He said people using big tamale pots (huge
    > steamers) broke the tips more than anyone else.


    Those nice looking glass-top stoves sound like only show toys and a pain to
    adjust to, imo. Might look nice but not so good for real cooks?

    I went from electric coil burners to gas stove with grates about 37 years
    ago. I will never choose to switch from gas as long as I have the choice.

    Gary

  10. #10
    Helpful person Guest

    Default Re: range cooker recommendations (UK)

    On Dec 18, 5:41*pm, SteveBurr <steve.b...@hds.com> wrote:
    > I need to replace my range cooker. *Having had awful experiences with
    > my current cooker (I wouldn't suggest buying Baumatic to a mortal
    > enemy) I'm looking for something a lot better - but I can't find
    > anything that doesn't smell of the same flaws.
    >
    > One thing that failed on the Baumatic was the control knobs - they are
    > just too flimsy. But every cooker I look at also has controls that
    > feel: cheap, plastic and just don't feel right when I try them to see
    > if they're any good.
    >
    > Why do all the range cookers I look at have a body like a battleship
    > but controls that would only be appropriate on a toy! And price makes
    > no difference: 800 to 3000 - all have crap controls.
    >
    > I need a 90cm and prefer dual fuel. but that's not really the issue:
    > I'm just looking for any manufacturer that doesn't use the cheapest
    > components.
    >
    > A grill that actually grilled rather than warmed from above would be
    > nice too.


    I have a Viking cooktop and am extremely happy with it. Very reliable,
    great control and high heat.

    Regarding a "grill" I'm surprised at your comments. In England I've
    always considered grilling as heating from the top. I've had a
    bottom "grill" in the kitchen and it was a real pain to clean. I'd
    recommend an outdoor gas grill (for convenience and adjustability) or
    a charcoal grill for outdoors. I like Weber, which although more
    expensive, does a great job. Especially their gas grill which has
    very few cool spots.

    http://www.richardfisher.com

  11. #11
    Gorio Guest

    Default Re: range cooker recommendations (UK)


    Gary;1694937 Wrote:
    > Janet Wilder wrote:
    > -
    > One thing I learned with mine: if something like soup boils over,
    > wait
    > to clean it up. I had a pot of chicken soup boil over and wiped it up
    > immediately and it cooled the glass too quickly and the top cracked.
    > Now if I have a boil over, I will blot up a little of it and wait
    > until
    > later to clean up. The range manufacturer recommends the red colored
    > 3M
    > scrubbers, but I use the green ones (3M brand only) and they do not
    > scratch.
    >
    > Also, don't use a pot that is too large for the burner. It's not a
    > problem if the pot base is larger than the burner but if it's several
    > inches larger than the burner, it will crack. Got this tip from the
    > fellow who replaced mine. He said people using big tamale pots (huge
    > steamers) broke the tips more than anyone else.-
    >
    > Those nice looking glass-top stoves sound like only show toys and a pain
    > to
    > adjust to, imo. Might look nice but not so good for real cooks?
    >
    > I went from electric coil burners to gas stove with grates about 37
    > years
    > ago. I will never choose to switch from gas as long as I have the
    > choice.
    >
    > Gary


    Frankly, I was mad as heck when my wife came home with a glass top, and
    to top it off, it was white. Grrr!

    I'm actually very pleased with it. I couldn't go gas, so this was a nice
    option. I thought it would be much more of a hassle to clean. Use the
    right cleaner and it's no big deal.

    Score another one for the better half.




    --
    Gorio

  12. #12
    Janet Wilder Guest

    Default Re: range cooker recommendations (UK)

    On 12/19/2011 8:49 AM, Gary wrote:
    > Janet Wilder wrote:
    >
    >> One thing I learned with mine: if something like soup boils over, wait
    >> to clean it up. I had a pot of chicken soup boil over and wiped it up
    >> immediately and it cooled the glass too quickly and the top cracked.
    >> Now if I have a boil over, I will blot up a little of it and wait until
    >> later to clean up. The range manufacturer recommends the red colored 3M
    >> scrubbers, but I use the green ones (3M brand only) and they do not
    >> scratch.
    >>
    >> Also, don't use a pot that is too large for the burner. It's not a
    >> problem if the pot base is larger than the burner but if it's several
    >> inches larger than the burner, it will crack. Got this tip from the
    >> fellow who replaced mine. He said people using big tamale pots (huge
    >> steamers) broke the tips more than anyone else.

    >
    > Those nice looking glass-top stoves sound like only show toys and a pain to
    > adjust to, imo. Might look nice but not so good for real cooks?



    They are no harder to adjust than the coils.

    > I went from electric coil burners to gas stove with grates about 37 years
    > ago. I will never choose to switch from gas as long as I have the choice.
    >


    Some of us don't have a choice. There are parts of the country that
    don't have natural gas lines. My only choice was to install propane and
    bury the tank in my yard. I'm less crazy about propane than I am about
    electricity. One learns to adapt.

    --
    Janet Wilder
    Way-the-heck-south Texas
    Spelling doesn't count. Cooking does.

  13. #13
    SteveBurr Guest

    Default Re: range cooker recommendations (UK)

    On Dec 19, 4:33*pm, Helpful person <rrl...@yahoo.com> wrote:
    > On Dec 18, 5:41*pm,SteveBurr<steve.b...@hds.com> wrote:
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > > I need to replace my range cooker. *Having had awful experiences with
    > > my current cooker (I wouldn't suggest buying Baumatic to a mortal
    > > enemy) I'm looking for something a lot better - but I can't find
    > > anything that doesn't smell of the same flaws.

    >
    > > One thing that failed on the Baumatic was the control knobs - they are
    > > just too flimsy. But every cooker I look at also has controls that
    > > feel: cheap, plastic and just don't feel right when I try them to see
    > > if they're any good.

    >
    > > Why do all the range cookers I look at have a body like a battleship
    > > but controls that would only be appropriate on a toy! And price makes
    > > no difference: 800 to 3000 - all have crap controls.

    >
    > > I need a 90cm and prefer dual fuel. but that's not really the issue:
    > > I'm just looking for any manufacturer that doesn't use the cheapest
    > > components.

    >
    > > A grill that actually grilled rather than warmed from above would be
    > > nice too.

    >
    > I have a Viking cooktop and am extremely happy with it. Very reliable,
    > great control and high heat.
    >
    > Regarding a "grill" I'm surprised at your comments. *In England I've
    > always considered grilling as heating from the top. * I've had a
    > bottom "grill" in the kitchen and it was a real pain to clean. *I'd
    > recommend an outdoor gas grill (for convenience and adjustability) or
    > a charcoal grill for outdoors. *I like Weber, which although more
    > expensive, does a great job. *Especially their gas grill which has
    > very few cool spots.
    >
    > http://www.richardfisher.com- Hide quoted text -
    >
    > - Show quoted text -


    Sorry, my irony isn't getting through and is confused by the
    surprisingly large differences in language we seem to have in this
    area (who knew).
    Yes I meant grill from above. No, not a barbecue grill or similar.
    The attempt at humour was the use of the word "warm" in "warmed from
    above".
    A grill should be able to grill a bleu steak in seconds or finish a
    creme brule.
    Most range cookers however (or whatever you wish to call a 5-6 burner
    stove) only seem to have a low power grill that takes about thirty
    minutes to make a single slice of cheese-on-toast (grilled cheese).

  14. #14
    Cheryl Guest

    Default Re: range cooker recommendations (UK)

    On 12/19/2011 1:46 AM, Polly Esther wrote:
    >
    > Heck, Lee. Hijack if you take a notion. Too many take this group as an
    > opportunity to exchange obscenities. The smooth top is a thing of
    > beauty and a joy. The only wee little need I've had with ours is that
    > it was hard to just 'automatically' know which knob was for front and
    > which for back burners. Tired of that, I took a permanent marker and
    > wrote boldly an "F" for the ones on the front. That took care of that.
    > It's my stove top. I paid for it and my old eyes appreciate the end of
    > that problem. I guess the only disaster I haven't encountered is what
    > if you have a major boil-over mess such as spaghetti sauce. Hasn't
    > happened yet. I guess when it does I'll clean it up. Polly


    I've had one splatter that involved grease where I had to use a
    razorblade to get it off. I had my doubts about that technique but it
    worked fine. Other than that, just make sure you clean it before each
    use, or after if it's cool enough.


  15. #15
    Storrmmee Guest

    Default Re: range cooker recommendations (UK)

    thanks janet, our stove was one of the cheaper models i think, stovetop
    seems ok, but the oven looks a bit suspect, but it gives me a baseline
    should a tornado take this house away, Lees
    "Janet Wilder" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:4eef4a4c$0$1662$c3e8da3$[email protected] b.com...
    > On 12/19/2011 12:46 AM, Polly Esther wrote:
    >
    >> Heck, Lee. Hijack if you take a notion. Too many take this group as an
    >> opportunity to exchange obscenities. The smooth top is a thing of beauty
    >> and a joy. The only wee little need I've had with ours is that it was
    >> hard to just 'automatically' know which knob was for front and which for
    >> back burners. Tired of that, I took a permanent marker and wrote boldly
    >> an "F" for the ones on the front. That took care of that. It's my stove
    >> top. I paid for it and my old eyes appreciate the end of that problem. I
    >> guess the only disaster I haven't encountered is what if you have a
    >> major boil-over mess such as spaghetti sauce. Hasn't happened yet. I
    >> guess when it does I'll clean it up. Polly

    >
    > One thing I learned with mine: if something like soup boils over, wait to
    > clean it up. I had a pot of chicken soup boil over and wiped it up
    > immediately and it cooled the glass too quickly and the top cracked. Now
    > if I have a boil over, I will blot up a little of it and wait until later
    > to clean up. The range manufacturer recommends the red colored 3M
    > scrubbers, but I use the green ones (3M brand only) and they do not
    > scratch.
    >
    > Also, don't use a pot that is too large for the burner. It's not a problem
    > if the pot base is larger than the burner but if it's several inches
    > larger than the burner, it will crack. Got this tip from the fellow who
    > replaced mine. He said people using big tamale pots (huge steamers) broke
    > the tips more than anyone else.
    > --
    > Janet Wilder
    > Way-the-heck-south Texas
    > Spelling doesn't count. Cooking does.




  16. #16
    SteveBurr Guest

    Default Re: range cooker recommendations (UK)

    On Dec 19, 8:40*am, "Giusi" <decob...@gmail.com> wrote:
    > I bought a Tecnogas and do not regret it.

    A search on the web shows tecnogas looks good, especially the 90cm
    model ... but only seem available in Italy
    They may be available in the UK under a different brand name - that's
    common - but unless I'm very lucky I may not spot it.

    > ...
    > I recently saw a 90 cm Rex that I liked a lot.

    I'll look for Rex too.... That one is easier. Sold in the UK as
    Zanussi.. who were purchased by Electrolux.
    I'll look at that brand again.
    Of course the problem is most vendors have both good and bad products,
    and the trend is towards bad ones.

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