Thread: Ramsey - Second Contestant Committs Suicide

On 2010-09-29, sf <[email protected]> wrote:

> Neither one did it during a show taping, but they had participated on
> one of his shows in the past. Obviously they were unstable, you don't
> commit suicide just because someone calls you stupid on television.

If they did, past Gordon contestant corpses would be littering the
countryside on both sides of the pond.

nb

On Wed, 29 Sep 2010 09:33:33 -0700, sf <[email protected]> wrote:

>
>Neither one did it during a show taping, but they had participated on
>one of his shows in the past. Obviously they were unstable, you don't
>commit suicide just because someone calls you stupid on television.
>
><http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheat-sheet/item/rachel-brown-hells-kitchen-and-joseph-cerniglia-commit-suicide/reality-tv-nightmare/>
>
><http://uktodaynews.com/9127/joseph-cerniglia-becomes-second-gordon-ramsay-contestant-after-rachel-brown-hells-kitchen-to-commit-suicide/>


Some can't take the abuse Ramsey dishes out either.

Stu added the following to the totality of all human wisdom on
9/29/2010 in writing
> On Wed, 29 Sep 2010 09:33:33 -0700, sf <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>
>> Neither one did it during a show taping, but they had participated on
>> one of his shows in the past. Obviously they were unstable, you don't
>> commit suicide just because someone calls you stupid on television.
>>
>> <http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheat-sheet/item/rachel-brown-hells-kitchen-and-joseph-cerniglia-commit-suicide/reality-tv-nightmare/>
>>
>> <http://uktodaynews.com/9127/joseph-cerniglia-becomes-second-gordon-ramsay-contestant-after-rachel-brown-hells-kitchen-to-commit-suicide/>
>
>
> Some can't take the abuse Ramsey dishes out either.

So it would seem. Seems kind of silly to blame someone else for a
self-inflicted gunshot wound though.

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can't.

On Wed, 29 Sep 2010 13:35:48 -0400, DanS. <[email protected]>
wrote:

>Stu added the following to the totality of all human wisdom on
>9/29/2010 in writing
>> On Wed, 29 Sep 2010 09:33:33 -0700, sf <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Neither one did it during a show taping, but they had participated on
>>> one of his shows in the past. Obviously they were unstable, you don't
>>> commit suicide just because someone calls you stupid on television.
>>>
>>> <http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheat-sheet/item/rachel-brown-hells-kitchen-and-joseph-cerniglia-commit-suicide/reality-tv-nightmare/>
>>>
>>> <http://uktodaynews.com/9127/joseph-cerniglia-becomes-second-gordon-ramsay-contestant-after-rachel-brown-hells-kitchen-to-commit-suicide/>
>>
>>
>> Some can't take the abuse Ramsey dishes out either.
>
>So it would seem. Seems kind of silly to blame someone else for a
>self-inflicted gunshot wound though.

You never know why, perhaps they'd come to the edge and Ramsey was the
little nudge they needed to jump so to speak.

On Wed, 29 Sep 2010 13:35:48 -0400, DanS. <[email protected]>
wrote:

>Stu added the following to the totality of all human wisdom on
>9/29/2010 in writing
>> On Wed, 29 Sep 2010 09:33:33 -0700, sf <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Neither one did it during a show taping, but they had participated on
>>> one of his shows in the past. Obviously they were unstable, you don't
>>> commit suicide just because someone calls you stupid on television.
>>>
>>> <http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheat-sheet/item/rachel-brown-hells-kitchen-and-joseph-cerniglia-commit-suicide/reality-tv-nightmare/>
>>>
>>> <http://uktodaynews.com/9127/joseph-cerniglia-becomes-second-gordon-ramsay-contestant-after-rachel-brown-hells-kitchen-to-commit-suicide/>
>>
>>
>> Some can't take the abuse Ramsey dishes out either.
>
>So it would seem. Seems kind of silly to blame someone else for a
>self-inflicted gunshot wound though.

Tagging onto this:

Eric Ripert has now involved himself in this, via his Twitter remarks.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/0..._n_742340.html

Christine
--
http://nightstirrings.blogspot.com

On Wed, 29 Sep 2010 12:01:55 -0600, Christine Dabney
<[email protected]> wrote:

>On Wed, 29 Sep 2010 13:35:48 -0400, DanS. <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>
>>Stu added the following to the totality of all human wisdom on
>>9/29/2010 in writing
>>> On Wed, 29 Sep 2010 09:33:33 -0700, sf <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Neither one did it during a show taping, but they had participated on
>>>> one of his shows in the past. Obviously they were unstable, you don't
>>>> commit suicide just because someone calls you stupid on television.
>>>>
>>>> <http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheat-sheet/item/rachel-brown-hells-kitchen-and-joseph-cerniglia-commit-suicide/reality-tv-nightmare/>
>>>>
>>>> <http://uktodaynews.com/9127/joseph-cerniglia-becomes-second-gordon-ramsay-contestant-after-rachel-brown-hells-kitchen-to-commit-suicide/>
>>>
>>>
>>> Some can't take the abuse Ramsey dishes out either.
>>
>>So it would seem. Seems kind of silly to blame someone else for a
>>self-inflicted gunshot wound though.
>
>Tagging onto this:
>
>Eric Ripert has now involved himself in this, via his Twitter remarks.
>
>http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/0..._n_742340.html
>
>Christine

They say Gordon doesn't pay his bills either.........

Gordon Ramsay's Unpaid Bills Rack Up: Now Meat Supplier Says 200K Owed
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/0..._n_578590.html

"Stu" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]..

> Some can't take the abuse Ramsey dishes out either.


It was in 2007. Pretty delayed reaction.




Brian
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On Wed, 29 Sep 2010 13:40:38 -0500, "Default User"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>"Stu" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]. .
>
>> Some can't take the abuse Ramsey dishes out either.
>
>
>It was in 2007. Pretty delayed reaction.
>
>

Maybe it took three years for them to finally have their businesses go
tits up, and couldn't handle the humiliation. Comments Ramsey dished
out make good fodder, and Ramsey seems to be in heavy financial
trouble as well.

"sf" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]..
>
> Neither one did it during a show taping, but they had participated on
> one of his shows in the past. Obviously they were unstable, you don't
> commit suicide just because someone calls you stupid on television.

This guy was on like three years ago. I don't see any real connection to the
show.



Brian
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"Stu" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news[email protected]..
> On Wed, 29 Sep 2010 13:40:38 -0500, "Default User"
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>"Stu" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:[email protected] ..
>>
>>> Some can't take the abuse Ramsey dishes out either.
>>
>>
>>It was in 2007. Pretty delayed reaction.
>>
>>
>
> Maybe it took three years for them to finally have their businesses go
> tits up, and couldn't handle the humiliation.

Actually, the restaurant is still in business and doing well. And, as one
news report said:

"Since his television debut three years ago, Cerniglia's star was on the
rise. He claimed the top honor in Chef Central's Ultimate Chef Bergen County
and in 2010 was hailed as one of the Garden State's finest five chefs by
Inside Jersey magazine."

You really have to stretch to blame Ramsay for this.




Brian
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On Wed, 29 Sep 2010 12:11:12 -0500, Stu <[email protected]> wrote:

>Some can't take the abuse Ramsey

I can't abide Ramsey either.

sf wrote:
>
> Neither one did it during a show taping, but they had participated on
> one of his shows in the past. Obviously they were unstable, you don't
> commit suicide just because someone calls you stupid on television.

I wonder what the suicide rate among restauranteurs
normally is. Two might be an expected number.

"Mark Thorson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]..
> sf wrote:
>>
>> Neither one did it during a show taping, but they had participated on
>> one of his shows in the past. Obviously they were unstable, you don't
>> commit suicide just because someone calls you stupid on television.
>
> I wonder what the suicide rate among restauranteurs
> normally is. Two might be an expected number.

That's a decent point. There have been a lot people that went through
Ramsay's various shows, most of them working in a stressful situation. That
being said, the most common reason for suicide is clinical depression. Too
often, a person "with everything going for them" will end their life, to the
surprise of even people close to them.



Brian
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On 2010-09-29, Christine Dabney <[email protected]> wrote:

> Eric Ripert has now involved himself in this....

He's entitled to his own opinion, but I think it a bit disingenuous.
"Nothing personal against Gordon Ramsey, but...." Sure, pal.

Isn't the kitchen of a great chef the last PC domain of the true petty
tyrant? Ever since I heard my first stories about France and being
apprenticed to any chef worth apprenticing to, all I've heard about is
abuse stories so horrific as to make one's veggie peeler curl.

If one is to learn anything about the professional cooking landscape
from books like Kitchen Confidential, it's that it's the world of the
social misfit. The losers, nut cases, whack jobs, and social
outcasts. My few flirtations with this world seem to support this
perception (you know me! . Is it any wonder, then, that a few may
finally lose it? As usual, the media is jes flogging some old item
for sensationalism's sake. IOW, jes dirty laundry.

nb

On Wed, 29 Sep 2010 19:42:03 GMT, notbob <[email protected]> wrote:

>He's entitled to his own opinion, but I think it a bit disingenuous.
>"Nothing personal against Gordon Ramsey, but...." Sure, pal.
>
>Isn't the kitchen of a great chef the last PC domain of the true petty
>tyrant? Ever since I heard my first stories about France and being
>apprenticed to any chef worth apprenticing to, all I've heard about is
>abuse stories so horrific as to make one's veggie peeler curl.

If you know anything about Eric Ripert, you might know that he worked
under Joel Robuchon, who is considered The Chef of the Century.
Supposedly he had some horrific experiences under said chef, and
supposedly Eric Ripert used to be the kind of chef he now deplores.
He has changed, probably from these experiences, and maybe even from
the fact that he is a practicing Buddhist now.

So yes, he probably does have something personal about it, but that
doesn't discount his deploring this.

Christine
--
http://nightstirrings.blogspot.com

sf <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

>
> Neither one did it during a show taping, but they had participated on
> one of his shows in the past. Obviously they were unstable, you don't
> commit suicide just because someone calls you stupid on television.
>
> <http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheat-s...-hells-kitchen
> -and-joseph-cerniglia-commit-suicide/reality-tv-nightmare/>
>
> <http://uktodaynews.com/9127/joseph-c...d-gordon-ramsa
> y-contestant-after-rachel-brown-hells-kitchen-to-commit-suicide/>
>
>


Don't know about the sheila, but the guy was obviously heading 'down the
river' anyways with his failed restaurant. Seems even a makeover and helping
hand from Ramsey wasn't enough for him to get out of debt and run a
successful business. Some people should just stick to being employee's,
rather than try to be an employer.


--
Peter Lucas
Hobart
Tasmania

The act of feeding someone is an act of beauty,
whether it's a full Sunday roast or a jam sandwich,
but only when done with love.

On Sep 29, 11:33*am, sf <s...@geemail.com> wrote:
> Neither one did it during a show taping, but they had participated on
> one of his shows in the past. *Obviously they were unstable, you don't
> commit suicide just because someone calls you stupid on television.
>
> <http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheat-sheet/item/rachel-brown-hells-kitc...>
>
> <http://uktodaynews.com/9127/joseph-cerniglia-becomes-second-gordon-ra...>
>
> --
>
> Never trust a dog to watch your food.

This latest one was also having an affair with his pastry chef, in
addition to being recently arrested for having cocaine. His biggest
problem wasn't Ramsey.

N.

On 9/29/2010 6:33 AM, sf wrote:
>
> Neither one did it during a show taping, but they had participated on
> one of his shows in the past. Obviously they were unstable, you don't
> commit suicide just because someone calls you stupid on television.
>
> <http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheat-sheet/item/rachel-brown-hells-kitchen-and-joseph-cerniglia-commit-suicide/reality-tv-nightmare/>
>
> <http://uktodaynews.com/9127/joseph-cerniglia-becomes-second-gordon-ramsay-contestant-after-rachel-brown-hells-kitchen-to-commit-suicide/>
>
>

The restaurant business is a tough business and guys that own
restaurants are driven people. Personally, I don't know how they can
cope with the work schedule but it's gotta be a big burden when your
eatery can't make ends meet and you're looking to be shut down. My guess
is that this were the conditions Mr. Cerniglia was facing.

I know of one restaurant owner that offed himself - I'm pretty sure Mr.
Ramsey never got to yell at him since this was 30 years ago. He drove to
a beach and stuck a hose leading from his exhaust pipe into his car. He
did this partially so that his wife and kids would get the insurance
money. Maybe by this time, his kids will be getting a grip on his
selfish act and all the things that was taken from them - or maybe not.
Maybe they never will.

Stu <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> On Wed, 29 Sep 2010 09:33:33 -0700, sf <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>
>>Neither one did it during a show taping, but they had participated on
>>one of his shows in the past. Obviously they were unstable, you don't
>>commit suicide just because someone calls you stupid on television.
>>
>><http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheat-s...l-brown-hells-
kitchen
>>-and-joseph-cerniglia-commit-suicide/reality-tv-nightmare/>
>>
>><http://uktodaynews.com/9127/joseph-c...second-gordon-
ramsa
>>y-contestant-after-rachel-brown-hells-kitchen-to-commit-suicide/>
>
>
> Some can't take the abuse Ramsey dishes out either.
>


I've stated many times...... if I was working in his kitchen and he
treated me like that, he'd end up in hospital.

There are plenty of fantastic chefs out there that don't treat their
charges like their very own whipping slaves........ but then, Ramsey has
cornered the market in people who like watching their fellow humans being
humiliated and abused.

I've watched a couple of episodes of each of his shows to see if he's any
different, and he isn't, so he doesn't get watched in my household.


--
Peter Lucas
Hobart
Tasmania

The act of feeding someone is an act of beauty,
whether it's a full Sunday roast or a jam sandwich,
but only when done with love.