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    sf Guest

    Default Ramsey - Second Contestant Committs Suicide


    Neither one did it during a show taping, but they had participated on
    one of his shows in the past. Obviously they were unstable, you don't
    commit suicide just because someone calls you stupid on television.

    <http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheat-sheet/item/rachel-brown-hells-kitchen-and-joseph-cerniglia-commit-suicide/reality-tv-nightmare/>

    <http://uktodaynews.com/9127/joseph-cerniglia-becomes-second-gordon-ramsay-contestant-after-rachel-brown-hells-kitchen-to-commit-suicide/>


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    notbob Guest

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    On 2010-09-29, sf <[email protected]> wrote:

    > Neither one did it during a show taping, but they had participated on
    > one of his shows in the past. Obviously they were unstable, you don't
    > commit suicide just because someone calls you stupid on television.


    If they did, past Gordon contestant corpses would be littering the
    countryside on both sides of the pond.

    nb

  3. #3
    Stu Guest

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    On Wed, 29 Sep 2010 09:33:33 -0700, sf <[email protected]> wrote:

    >
    >Neither one did it during a show taping, but they had participated on
    >one of his shows in the past. Obviously they were unstable, you don't
    >commit suicide just because someone calls you stupid on television.
    >
    ><http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheat-sheet/item/rachel-brown-hells-kitchen-and-joseph-cerniglia-commit-suicide/reality-tv-nightmare/>
    >
    ><http://uktodaynews.com/9127/joseph-cerniglia-becomes-second-gordon-ramsay-contestant-after-rachel-brown-hells-kitchen-to-commit-suicide/>



    Some can't take the abuse Ramsey dishes out either.

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    DanS. Guest

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    Stu added the following to the totality of all human wisdom on
    9/29/2010 in writing
    > On Wed, 29 Sep 2010 09:33:33 -0700, sf <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >>
    >> Neither one did it during a show taping, but they had participated on
    >> one of his shows in the past. Obviously they were unstable, you don't
    >> commit suicide just because someone calls you stupid on television.
    >>
    >> <http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheat-sheet/item/rachel-brown-hells-kitchen-and-joseph-cerniglia-commit-suicide/reality-tv-nightmare/>
    >>
    >> <http://uktodaynews.com/9127/joseph-cerniglia-becomes-second-gordon-ramsay-contestant-after-rachel-brown-hells-kitchen-to-commit-suicide/>

    >
    >
    > Some can't take the abuse Ramsey dishes out either.


    So it would seem. Seems kind of silly to blame someone else for a
    self-inflicted gunshot wound though.

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    Dan S.
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    Stu Guest

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    On Wed, 29 Sep 2010 13:35:48 -0400, DanS. <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    >Stu added the following to the totality of all human wisdom on
    >9/29/2010 in writing
    >> On Wed, 29 Sep 2010 09:33:33 -0700, sf <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>
    >>>
    >>> Neither one did it during a show taping, but they had participated on
    >>> one of his shows in the past. Obviously they were unstable, you don't
    >>> commit suicide just because someone calls you stupid on television.
    >>>
    >>> <http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheat-sheet/item/rachel-brown-hells-kitchen-and-joseph-cerniglia-commit-suicide/reality-tv-nightmare/>
    >>>
    >>> <http://uktodaynews.com/9127/joseph-cerniglia-becomes-second-gordon-ramsay-contestant-after-rachel-brown-hells-kitchen-to-commit-suicide/>

    >>
    >>
    >> Some can't take the abuse Ramsey dishes out either.

    >
    >So it would seem. Seems kind of silly to blame someone else for a
    >self-inflicted gunshot wound though.


    You never know why, perhaps they'd come to the edge and Ramsey was the
    little nudge they needed to jump so to speak.

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    Christine Dabney Guest

    Default Re: Ramsey - Second Contestant Committs Suicide

    On Wed, 29 Sep 2010 13:35:48 -0400, DanS. <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    >Stu added the following to the totality of all human wisdom on
    >9/29/2010 in writing
    >> On Wed, 29 Sep 2010 09:33:33 -0700, sf <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>
    >>>
    >>> Neither one did it during a show taping, but they had participated on
    >>> one of his shows in the past. Obviously they were unstable, you don't
    >>> commit suicide just because someone calls you stupid on television.
    >>>
    >>> <http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheat-sheet/item/rachel-brown-hells-kitchen-and-joseph-cerniglia-commit-suicide/reality-tv-nightmare/>
    >>>
    >>> <http://uktodaynews.com/9127/joseph-cerniglia-becomes-second-gordon-ramsay-contestant-after-rachel-brown-hells-kitchen-to-commit-suicide/>

    >>
    >>
    >> Some can't take the abuse Ramsey dishes out either.

    >
    >So it would seem. Seems kind of silly to blame someone else for a
    >self-inflicted gunshot wound though.


    Tagging onto this:

    Eric Ripert has now involved himself in this, via his Twitter remarks.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/0..._n_742340.html

    Christine
    --
    http://nightstirrings.blogspot.com

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    Stu Guest

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    On Wed, 29 Sep 2010 12:01:55 -0600, Christine Dabney
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    >On Wed, 29 Sep 2010 13:35:48 -0400, DanS. <[email protected]>
    >wrote:
    >
    >>Stu added the following to the totality of all human wisdom on
    >>9/29/2010 in writing
    >>> On Wed, 29 Sep 2010 09:33:33 -0700, sf <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>>
    >>>>
    >>>> Neither one did it during a show taping, but they had participated on
    >>>> one of his shows in the past. Obviously they were unstable, you don't
    >>>> commit suicide just because someone calls you stupid on television.
    >>>>
    >>>> <http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheat-sheet/item/rachel-brown-hells-kitchen-and-joseph-cerniglia-commit-suicide/reality-tv-nightmare/>
    >>>>
    >>>> <http://uktodaynews.com/9127/joseph-cerniglia-becomes-second-gordon-ramsay-contestant-after-rachel-brown-hells-kitchen-to-commit-suicide/>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> Some can't take the abuse Ramsey dishes out either.

    >>
    >>So it would seem. Seems kind of silly to blame someone else for a
    >>self-inflicted gunshot wound though.

    >
    >Tagging onto this:
    >
    >Eric Ripert has now involved himself in this, via his Twitter remarks.
    >
    >http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/0..._n_742340.html
    >
    >Christine


    They say Gordon doesn't pay his bills either.........

    Gordon Ramsay's Unpaid Bills Rack Up: Now Meat Supplier Says 200K Owed
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/0..._n_578590.html

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    Default User Guest

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    "Stu" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]..

    > Some can't take the abuse Ramsey dishes out either.



    It was in 2007. Pretty delayed reaction.




    Brian
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    Day 602 of the "no grouchy usenet posts" project.



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    Stu Guest

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    On Wed, 29 Sep 2010 13:40:38 -0500, "Default User"
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    >"Stu" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >news:[email protected]. .
    >
    >> Some can't take the abuse Ramsey dishes out either.

    >
    >
    >It was in 2007. Pretty delayed reaction.
    >
    >


    Maybe it took three years for them to finally have their businesses go
    tits up, and couldn't handle the humiliation. Comments Ramsey dished
    out make good fodder, and Ramsey seems to be in heavy financial
    trouble as well.

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    Default User Guest

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    "sf" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]..
    >
    > Neither one did it during a show taping, but they had participated on
    > one of his shows in the past. Obviously they were unstable, you don't
    > commit suicide just because someone calls you stupid on television.


    This guy was on like three years ago. I don't see any real connection to the
    show.



    Brian
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    Day 602 of the "no grouchy usenet posts" project.



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    Default User Guest

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    "Stu" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news[email protected]..
    > On Wed, 29 Sep 2010 13:40:38 -0500, "Default User"
    > <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >>"Stu" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >>news:[email protected] ..
    >>
    >>> Some can't take the abuse Ramsey dishes out either.

    >>
    >>
    >>It was in 2007. Pretty delayed reaction.
    >>
    >>

    >
    > Maybe it took three years for them to finally have their businesses go
    > tits up, and couldn't handle the humiliation.


    Actually, the restaurant is still in business and doing well. And, as one
    news report said:

    "Since his television debut three years ago, Cerniglia's star was on the
    rise. He claimed the top honor in Chef Central's Ultimate Chef Bergen County
    and in 2010 was hailed as one of the Garden State's finest five chefs by
    Inside Jersey magazine."

    You really have to stretch to blame Ramsay for this.




    Brian
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    Day 602 of the "no grouchy usenet posts" project.



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    Mr. Bill Guest

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    On Wed, 29 Sep 2010 12:11:12 -0500, Stu <[email protected]> wrote:

    >Some can't take the abuse Ramsey


    I can't abide Ramsey either.



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    Mark Thorson Guest

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    sf wrote:
    >
    > Neither one did it during a show taping, but they had participated on
    > one of his shows in the past. Obviously they were unstable, you don't
    > commit suicide just because someone calls you stupid on television.


    I wonder what the suicide rate among restauranteurs
    normally is. Two might be an expected number.

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    Default User Guest

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    "Mark Thorson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]..
    > sf wrote:
    >>
    >> Neither one did it during a show taping, but they had participated on
    >> one of his shows in the past. Obviously they were unstable, you don't
    >> commit suicide just because someone calls you stupid on television.

    >
    > I wonder what the suicide rate among restauranteurs
    > normally is. Two might be an expected number.


    That's a decent point. There have been a lot people that went through
    Ramsay's various shows, most of them working in a stressful situation. That
    being said, the most common reason for suicide is clinical depression. Too
    often, a person "with everything going for them" will end their life, to the
    surprise of even people close to them.



    Brian
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    Day 602 of the "no grouchy usenet posts" project.



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    notbob Guest

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    On 2010-09-29, Christine Dabney <[email protected]> wrote:

    > Eric Ripert has now involved himself in this....


    He's entitled to his own opinion, but I think it a bit disingenuous.
    "Nothing personal against Gordon Ramsey, but...." Sure, pal.

    Isn't the kitchen of a great chef the last PC domain of the true petty
    tyrant? Ever since I heard my first stories about France and being
    apprenticed to any chef worth apprenticing to, all I've heard about is
    abuse stories so horrific as to make one's veggie peeler curl.

    If one is to learn anything about the professional cooking landscape
    from books like Kitchen Confidential, it's that it's the world of the
    social misfit. The losers, nut cases, whack jobs, and social
    outcasts. My few flirtations with this world seem to support this
    perception (you know me! . Is it any wonder, then, that a few may
    finally lose it? As usual, the media is jes flogging some old item
    for sensationalism's sake. IOW, jes dirty laundry.

    nb

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    Christine Dabney Guest

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    On Wed, 29 Sep 2010 19:42:03 GMT, notbob <[email protected]> wrote:

    >He's entitled to his own opinion, but I think it a bit disingenuous.
    >"Nothing personal against Gordon Ramsey, but...." Sure, pal.
    >
    >Isn't the kitchen of a great chef the last PC domain of the true petty
    >tyrant? Ever since I heard my first stories about France and being
    >apprenticed to any chef worth apprenticing to, all I've heard about is
    >abuse stories so horrific as to make one's veggie peeler curl.


    If you know anything about Eric Ripert, you might know that he worked
    under Joel Robuchon, who is considered The Chef of the Century.
    Supposedly he had some horrific experiences under said chef, and
    supposedly Eric Ripert used to be the kind of chef he now deplores.
    He has changed, probably from these experiences, and maybe even from
    the fact that he is a practicing Buddhist now.

    So yes, he probably does have something personal about it, but that
    doesn't discount his deploring this.

    Christine
    --
    http://nightstirrings.blogspot.com

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    Aussie Guest

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    sf <[email protected]> wrote in
    news:[email protected]:

    >
    > Neither one did it during a show taping, but they had participated on
    > one of his shows in the past. Obviously they were unstable, you don't
    > commit suicide just because someone calls you stupid on television.
    >
    > <http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheat-s...-hells-kitchen
    > -and-joseph-cerniglia-commit-suicide/reality-tv-nightmare/>
    >
    > <http://uktodaynews.com/9127/joseph-c...d-gordon-ramsa
    > y-contestant-after-rachel-brown-hells-kitchen-to-commit-suicide/>
    >
    >



    Don't know about the sheila, but the guy was obviously heading 'down the
    river' anyways with his failed restaurant. Seems even a makeover and helping
    hand from Ramsey wasn't enough for him to get out of debt and run a
    successful business. Some people should just stick to being employee's,
    rather than try to be an employer.


    --
    Peter Lucas
    Hobart
    Tasmania

    The act of feeding someone is an act of beauty,
    whether it's a full Sunday roast or a jam sandwich,
    but only when done with love.

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    Nancy2 Guest

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    On Sep 29, 11:33*am, sf <s...@geemail.com> wrote:
    > Neither one did it during a show taping, but they had participated on
    > one of his shows in the past. *Obviously they were unstable, you don't
    > commit suicide just because someone calls you stupid on television.
    >
    > <http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheat-sheet/item/rachel-brown-hells-kitc...>
    >
    > <http://uktodaynews.com/9127/joseph-cerniglia-becomes-second-gordon-ra...>
    >
    > --
    >
    > Never trust a dog to watch your food.


    This latest one was also having an affair with his pastry chef, in
    addition to being recently arrested for having cocaine. His biggest
    problem wasn't Ramsey.

    N.

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    dsi1 Guest

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    On 9/29/2010 6:33 AM, sf wrote:
    >
    > Neither one did it during a show taping, but they had participated on
    > one of his shows in the past. Obviously they were unstable, you don't
    > commit suicide just because someone calls you stupid on television.
    >
    > <http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheat-sheet/item/rachel-brown-hells-kitchen-and-joseph-cerniglia-commit-suicide/reality-tv-nightmare/>
    >
    > <http://uktodaynews.com/9127/joseph-cerniglia-becomes-second-gordon-ramsay-contestant-after-rachel-brown-hells-kitchen-to-commit-suicide/>
    >
    >


    The restaurant business is a tough business and guys that own
    restaurants are driven people. Personally, I don't know how they can
    cope with the work schedule but it's gotta be a big burden when your
    eatery can't make ends meet and you're looking to be shut down. My guess
    is that this were the conditions Mr. Cerniglia was facing.

    I know of one restaurant owner that offed himself - I'm pretty sure Mr.
    Ramsey never got to yell at him since this was 30 years ago. He drove to
    a beach and stuck a hose leading from his exhaust pipe into his car. He
    did this partially so that his wife and kids would get the insurance
    money. Maybe by this time, his kids will be getting a grip on his
    selfish act and all the things that was taken from them - or maybe not.
    Maybe they never will.

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    Aussie Guest

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    Stu <[email protected]> wrote in
    news:[email protected]:

    > On Wed, 29 Sep 2010 09:33:33 -0700, sf <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >>
    >>Neither one did it during a show taping, but they had participated on
    >>one of his shows in the past. Obviously they were unstable, you don't
    >>commit suicide just because someone calls you stupid on television.
    >>
    >><http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheat-s...l-brown-hells-

    kitchen
    >>-and-joseph-cerniglia-commit-suicide/reality-tv-nightmare/>
    >>
    >><http://uktodaynews.com/9127/joseph-c...second-gordon-

    ramsa
    >>y-contestant-after-rachel-brown-hells-kitchen-to-commit-suicide/>

    >
    >
    > Some can't take the abuse Ramsey dishes out either.
    >



    I've stated many times...... if I was working in his kitchen and he
    treated me like that, he'd end up in hospital.

    There are plenty of fantastic chefs out there that don't treat their
    charges like their very own whipping slaves........ but then, Ramsey has
    cornered the market in people who like watching their fellow humans being
    humiliated and abused.

    I've watched a couple of episodes of each of his shows to see if he's any
    different, and he isn't, so he doesn't get watched in my household.


    --
    Peter Lucas
    Hobart
    Tasmania

    The act of feeding someone is an act of beauty,
    whether it's a full Sunday roast or a jam sandwich,
    but only when done with love.

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