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  1. #1
    Mitch@_._ Guest

    Default Pot roast...when to add veggies?

    I had pot roast on the menu for today. I usually use a Dutch oven and
    cook for about 3-4 hours with potatoes, carrots and celery.

    I forgot we had to be someplace at 2pm, and probably won't get home
    until about 4, so I went with the crock pot instead.

    My question is, if I want to add potatoes and carrots, what's the
    minimum time they need in the crock pot?

    I'm assuming I can't put them in now and cook them all day, right?

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    Omelet Guest

    Default Re: Pot roast...when to add veggies?

    In article <[email protected]>, Mitch@_._
    wrote:

    > I had pot roast on the menu for today. I usually use a Dutch oven and
    > cook for about 3-4 hours with potatoes, carrots and celery.
    >
    > I forgot we had to be someplace at 2pm, and probably won't get home
    > until about 4, so I went with the crock pot instead.
    >
    > My question is, if I want to add potatoes and carrots, what's the
    > minimum time they need in the crock pot?
    >
    > I'm assuming I can't put them in now and cook them all day, right?


    Place them properly and you won't have to worry about it.

    When I layer a crockpot, I do it in this order:

    Grain (usually barley)
    Root veggies (carrots, spuds)
    Onions
    Meat on the top.

    Top with your choice of dried or fresh herbages.

    IME, root veggies such as carrots and spuds (and radishes and turnips)
    take longer to cook than even tough cuts of meat. Onion, leeks, garlic,
    shallots and scallions are softer so go on top of those.

    The bottom of the crock pot is hotter.

    Meat goes on top with spices.
    --
    Peace! Om

    I find hope in the darkest of days, and focus in the brightest. I do not judge the universe. -- Dalai Lama

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    Sqwertz Guest

    Default Re: Pot roast...when to add veggies?

    <Mitch@_._> wrote:

    > I'm assuming I can't put them in now and cook them all day, right?


    Yes.

    -sw

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    Joseph Littleshoes Guest

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    Sqwertz wrote:
    > <Mitch@_._> wrote:
    >
    >
    >>I'm assuming I can't put them in now and cook them all day, right?

    >
    >
    > Yes.
    >
    > -sw


    I don't crock pot so i don't know how it would work in one but when i
    make a stove top, dutch oven pot roast i caramelize some sliced onion &
    diced carrots in butter & oil in the dutch oven. Then, when the carrots
    and onions are sufficiently caramelized add the rough dice of the raw
    carrots, onions & celery to cook with the browned meat for 3 - 4 hours.

    After the 3 - 4 hours of cooking & skimming i then remove the meat from
    the pot, strain the cooking liquid & dead, over cooked veggies through a
    cheese cloth lined colander (pressing firmly on the veggies to get out
    as much of their juices as i can) and return it to the dutch oven.
    Return the meat to the skimmed cooking liquid and then add the carrots,
    onions, celery, green pepper, potatoes to be simmered for another 10 -
    15 minutes and served and eaten with the pot roast.

    It is at the beginning of the last 10 minutes or so of cooking that i
    would add crushed garlic, sage, a pinch of cumin, worsteschire sauce and
    i do like some red wine in my pot roast, which i would be adding all
    through the cooking process. A good hearty Burgundy.
    --
    JL


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    CC Guest

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    "Omelet" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news[email protected]..
    > In article <[email protected]>, Mitch@_._
    > wrote:
    >
    >> I had pot roast on the menu for today. I usually use a Dutch oven
    >> and
    >> cook for about 3-4 hours with potatoes, carrots and celery.
    >>
    >> I forgot we had to be someplace at 2pm, and probably won't get home
    >> until about 4, so I went with the crock pot instead.
    >>
    >> My question is, if I want to add potatoes and carrots, what's the
    >> minimum time they need in the crock pot?
    >>
    >> I'm assuming I can't put them in now and cook them all day, right?

    >
    > Place them properly and you won't have to worry about it.
    >
    > When I layer a crockpot, I do it in this order:
    >
    > Grain (usually barley)
    > Root veggies (carrots, spuds)
    > Onions
    > Meat on the top.
    >
    > Top with your choice of dried or fresh herbages.
    >
    > IME, root veggies such as carrots and spuds (and radishes and
    > turnips)
    > take longer to cook than even tough cuts of meat. Onion, leeks,
    > garlic,
    > shallots and scallions are softer so go on top of those.
    >
    > The bottom of the crock pot is hotter.
    >
    > Meat goes on top with spices.
    > --
    > Peace! Om



    That's the same way I do it in the crock pot, I like the vegetables
    and meats cooked together as the flavors are all through the
    vegetables. I also don't like tender crisp vegetables in stews and
    pot roasts,
    CC


  6. #6
    Lynn from Fargo Ografmorffig Guest

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    On Feb 22, 2:18*pm, "CC" <lampaddadothereligh...@att.net> wrote:
    > "Omelet" <ompome...@gmail.com> wrote in message
    >
    > news[email protected]..
    >
    >
    >
    > > In article <6l43q45vj9jn7kn2d4itdc7gcuheju6...@4ax.com>, Mitch@_._
    > > wrote:

    >
    > >> I had pot roast on the menu for today. *I usually use a Dutch oven
    > >> and
    > >> cook for about 3-4 hours with potatoes, carrots and celery.

    >
    > >> I forgot we had to be someplace at 2pm, and probably won't get home
    > >> until about 4, so I went with the crock pot instead.

    >
    > >> My question is, if I want to add potatoes and carrots, what's the
    > >> minimum time they need in the crock pot?

    >
    > >> I'm assuming I can't put them in now and cook them all day, right?

    >
    > > Place them properly and you won't have to worry about it.

    >
    > > When I layer a crockpot, I do it in this order:

    >
    > > Grain (usually barley)
    > > Root veggies (carrots, spuds)
    > > Onions
    > > Meat on the top.

    >
    > > Top with your choice of dried or fresh herbages.

    >
    > > IME, root veggies such as carrots and spuds (and radishes and
    > > turnips)
    > > take longer to cook than even tough cuts of meat. Onion, leeks,
    > > garlic,
    > > shallots and scallions are softer so go on top of those.

    >
    > > The bottom of the crock pot is hotter.

    >
    > > Meat goes on top with spices.
    > > --
    > > Peace! Om

    >
    > That's the same way I do it in the crock pot, I like the vegetables
    > and meats cooked together as the flavors are all through the
    > vegetables. I also don't like tender crisp vegetables in stews and
    > pot roasts,
    > CC


    Because I am usually cooking that pot roast for one (with leftovers)
    and it's hard to buy fresh carrots/potatoes/rutabega/parsnips/celery
    etc less than a pound at a time; I usually double those veggies cut in
    BIG chunks and add HALF of that quantity at the beginning.

    When the meat's almost done, I fish our the cooked veggie chunks and
    replace them with the other half of the veggies cut in regular sized
    pieces. If it's crock pot, I steam the second addition of veggies till
    tender crisp. That way I get flavor from the veggies in the stew/
    broth/gravy but I'm not stuck with soggy cooked out veggies, I've got
    tender sweet stuff.

    Onions, celery and dry spices go in at the beginning but herbs and
    green things (peas, blanched green beans ) go in for the last few
    minutes.
    Lynn in Fargo

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    brooklyn1 Guest

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    "Lynn from Fargo wrote:
    >

    Because I am usually cooking that pot roast for one (with leftovers)
    and it's hard to buy fresh carrots/potatoes/rutabega/parsnips/celery
    etc less than a pound at a time; I usually double those veggies cut in
    BIG chunks and add HALF of that quantity at the beginning.

    When the meat's almost done, I fish our the cooked veggie chunks and
    replace them with the other half of the veggies cut in regular sized
    pieces. If it's crock pot, I steam the second addition of veggies till
    tender crisp. That way I get flavor from the veggies in the stew/
    broth/gravy but I'm not stuck with soggy cooked out veggies, I've got
    tender sweet stuff.

    Onions, celery and dry spices go in at the beginning but herbs and
    green things (peas, blanched green beans ) go in for the last few
    minutes.


    You're jumping through a lot of hoops unnecesarily. Cook a larger hunk of
    meat to match all your veggies, cooked pot roast freezes well... potatoes
    sometimes suffer some but not terribly, and if you use waxy ones like reds
    they'll be fine.

    Don't overcook pot roast, if it falls apart into strings it's not any kind
    of roast, then it's fercocktah hash. Cook pot roast just to the point that
    it's neatly sliceable. For easy slicing pull the meat from the pot and let
    it cool some so it firms up. Use a sharp knife and slice it all. Then you
    can freeze portions for later. If you have a reasonably lean section of pot
    roast save it in the fridge to become very firm, then slice it thin, it will
    make wonderful sammiches.

    When to add veggies depends a lot on the size of the roast. Since I tend to
    like a five pound chunk of beef I feel it needs like an hour's simmer before
    I add all the veggies. but while it's simmering I do add some trimmings
    like celery leaves and the small ends of carrots... I add onion and garlic
    in stages. Then I add the veggies in order of how long each needs to
    cook... I like to add whole onions so those go in early... after a bit add
    the fat ends of carrots, add the smaller ends later. Add minced parsley
    stems early, add the minced leaves last 20 minutes. Get the idea... for me
    cooking pot roast is an all day affair, an intimate affair because I really
    get into it, and I give her a slow hand with lots of nibbles. You can't
    make pot roast in the oven, that's called braised, a whole nother set of
    techniques. You can't make better than so-so pot roast in a crock pot, and
    it's always a gamble. In a pressure processor you get results
    commisserate of the effort you put in, barely edible, something only a
    starving dog would enjoy.




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    Omelet Guest

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    In article <oqiol.34965$[email protected]>,
    "CC" <[email protected]> wrote:

    > > Place them properly and you won't have to worry about it.
    > >
    > > When I layer a crockpot, I do it in this order:
    > >
    > > Grain (usually barley)
    > > Root veggies (carrots, spuds)
    > > Onions
    > > Meat on the top.
    > >
    > > Top with your choice of dried or fresh herbages.
    > >
    > > IME, root veggies such as carrots and spuds (and radishes and
    > > turnips)
    > > take longer to cook than even tough cuts of meat. Onion, leeks,
    > > garlic,
    > > shallots and scallions are softer so go on top of those.
    > >
    > > The bottom of the crock pot is hotter.
    > >
    > > Meat goes on top with spices.
    > > --
    > > Peace! Om

    >
    >
    > That's the same way I do it in the crock pot, I like the vegetables
    > and meats cooked together as the flavors are all through the
    > vegetables. I also don't like tender crisp vegetables in stews and
    > pot roasts,
    > CC


    Thanks for the backup. :-)
    --
    Peace! Om

    I find hope in the darkest of days, and focus in the brightest. I do not judge the universe. -- Dalai Lama

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    Michael \Dog3\ Guest

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    Mitch@_._ news:[email protected]: in
    rec.food.cooking

    > I had pot roast on the menu for today. I usually use a Dutch oven and
    > cook for about 3-4 hours with potatoes, carrots and celery.
    >
    > I forgot we had to be someplace at 2pm, and probably won't get home
    > until about 4, so I went with the crock pot instead.
    >
    > My question is, if I want to add potatoes and carrots, what's the
    > minimum time they need in the crock pot?
    >
    > I'm assuming I can't put them in now and cook them all day, right?


    The crock pot and I have never gotten along. I cooked a mediocre pot
    roast in the crock pot once. It really wasn't all that great. When I
    made mine, I layered the ingredients with the roast on top of the
    veggies. If I was going to add the veggies at the end I'd cut the
    veggies into equal sizes and put them in the last hour or so of the
    cooking time.

    Ordinarily I will cook a big chuck roast long and slow in the oven. I
    fuss with it a bit and add the veggies the last hour of cooking time. I
    don't like the veggies mushy so I do the fork test often.

    Just my thoughts.

    Michael

    --
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    your words.”
    ~Elbert Hubbard

    You can find me at: - michael at lonergan dot us dot com

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    Mitch@_._ Guest

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    >
    >Place them properly and you won't have to worry about it.


    That worked out well. I took out the meat and put the potatoes and
    carrots on the bottom, then replaced the meat.

    So 4 hours on low was perfect for the vegetables.

    But this is the first ever pot roast I made that was tough after 9
    hours! It was bad. I alternate between crock pot and oven, and
    either way the meat has always fallen apart.

    This must have been one tough cut.

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    Omelet Guest

    Default Re: Pot roast...when to add veggies?

    In article <[email protected]>, Mitch@_._
    wrote:

    > >
    > >Place them properly and you won't have to worry about it.

    >
    > That worked out well. I took out the meat and put the potatoes and
    > carrots on the bottom, then replaced the meat.
    >
    > So 4 hours on low was perfect for the vegetables.
    >
    > But this is the first ever pot roast I made that was tough after 9
    > hours! It was bad. I alternate between crock pot and oven, and
    > either way the meat has always fallen apart.
    >
    > This must have been one tough cut.


    I generally rescue stuff like that with my pressure cooker. :-)
    --
    Peace! Om

    I find hope in the darkest of days, and focus in the brightest. I do not judge the universe. -- Dalai Lama

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    Serene Vannoy Guest

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    Mitch@_._ wrote:
    >> Place them properly and you won't have to worry about it.

    >
    > That worked out well. I took out the meat and put the potatoes and
    > carrots on the bottom, then replaced the meat.
    >
    > So 4 hours on low was perfect for the vegetables.
    >
    > But this is the first ever pot roast I made that was tough after 9
    > hours! It was bad. I alternate between crock pot and oven, and
    > either way the meat has always fallen apart.


    How many times did you open the crockpot? That has been known to change
    the cooking time of slow-cooked foods.

    I put the veggies and meat in together and don't open the thing until
    the end.

    Serene

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  13. #13
    Mitch@_._ Guest

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    >
    >How many times did you open the crockpot?


    Only the one time to add the veggies. About 4 hours in, I think.

    Probably could have used another 90 minutes or so. I'll start earlier
    next time.

    My son took the wrong pork out of the freezer, so I guess I'm having
    pork shoulder tomorrow. Was supposed to be a Sunday dinner, but oh,
    well.

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