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  1. #1
    Andy Guest

    Default Philadelphia, PA: Sugar tax on drinks proposal: 2 per oz.

    Philadelphia, PA: Sugar tax on drinks proposal: 2 per oz.

    To help relieve the city's tax burden they're proposing this tax!!!

    What next? Tax fat?

    Why does the public have to pay for Philadelphia's decades of government
    mismanagement? Like it's all our fault?!?

    BULL****!!!

    Andy

  2. #2
    Sqwertz Guest

    Default Re: Philadelphia, PA: Sugar tax on drinks proposal: 2 per oz.

    On Thu, 04 Mar 2010 07:14:22 -0600, Andy wrote:

    > Philadelphia, PA: Sugar tax on drinks proposal: 2 per oz.


    "Philadelphia officials say the sugar-sweetened beverage tax will
    finance obesity prevention programs, deter the consumption of
    unhealthy beverages, and generate revenue for the city."

    This is why people like Joseph Stack fly airplanes into buildings
    and kill people.

    This is a ridiculous tax that costs more than the product itself
    ($.24 on 12oz - I can get cans of soda out of a machine for $.25).
    And then they try and feed people this total bull**** about how the
    money will be used to fund "obesity prevention programs" when that's
    not the case at all. The reason for the tax was clear: We Need More
    Money for the City Coffers.

    It's pathetic the way they try and hide these political games under
    guises such as "We're doing it for the children!". They're doing it
    for *themselves* and not the good of the city or the people.

    Unfortunately the dumb and gullible outnumber the smart and wise.

    -sw

  3. #3
    George Guest

    Default Re: Philadelphia, PA: Sugar tax on drinks proposal: 2 per oz.

    On 3/4/2010 8:14 AM, Andy wrote:
    > Philadelphia, PA: Sugar tax on drinks proposal: 2 per oz.
    >
    > To help relieve the city's tax burden they're proposing this tax!!!
    >
    > What next? Tax fat?
    >
    > Why does the public have to pay for Philadelphia's decades of government
    > mismanagement? Like it's all our fault?!?
    >
    > BULL****!!!
    >
    > Andy


    Its just weasel politicians who are trying to figure out how to pay for
    all of the "free stuff" they give away to folks who voted for them by
    adding another "nuisance" tax to the 100s of other nuisance taxes. This
    is one of the reasons all taxes except some uniform flat tax need to be
    abolished. That way the politicians only get one shot to present the
    very large bill for "free stuff" to the taxpayers. Currently they don't
    have a clue with Obama and friends wanting to spend even more money we
    don't have.

    There is a really good reason why the tea party movement has grown.

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    Damaeus Guest

    Default Re: Philadelphia, PA: Sugar tax on drinks proposal: 2 per oz.

    Reading from news:rec.food.cooking,
    Andy <[email protected]> posted:

    > Philadelphia, PA: Sugar tax on drinks proposal: 2+AKI- per oz.
    >
    > To help relieve the city's tax burden they're proposing this tax!!!
    >
    > What next? Tax fat?
    >
    > Why does the public have to pay for Philadelphia's decades of government
    > mismanagement? Like it's all our fault?!?
    >
    > BULL****!!!


    That would add $2.88 to the price of a case of Coca-Cola. Oh wait... I
    forgot. Coke uses corn syrup, not sugar. I guess they can't tax that. If
    Coke would use sugar in their drinks, I wouldn't mind paying more for
    them.

    Damaeus

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    Damaeus Guest

    Default Re: Philadelphia, PA: Sugar tax on drinks proposal: 2 per oz.

    Reading from news:rec.food.cooking,
    George <[email protected]> posted:

    > Its just weasel politicians who are trying to figure out how to pay for
    > all of the "free stuff" they give away to folks who voted for them by
    > adding another "nuisance" tax to the 100s of other nuisance taxes. This
    > is one of the reasons all taxes except some uniform flat tax need to be
    > abolished. That way the politicians only get one shot to present the
    > very large bill for "free stuff" to the taxpayers. Currently they don't
    > have a clue with Obama and friends wanting to spend even more money we
    > don't have.


    It costs a lot of money to coerce people into live their lives according
    to some set of ideals, and it costs even more to punish them for having
    the audacity to live as free human beings.

    Damaeus

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    snuffy Guest

    Default Re: Philadelphia, PA: Sugar tax on drinks proposal: 2 per oz.

    What do you suggest as an alternative, Andy? You want your potholes
    fixed for free and the schools to stay open and the cops to protect
    you and the firemen and the trash pick up all for free?? Keep
    drinking your Pepsi and we can keep the libraries open a few hours a
    day. ========



    > Philadelphia, PA: Sugar tax on drinks proposal: 2 per oz.
    >
    > To help relieve the city's tax burden they're proposing this tax!!!
    >
    > What next? Tax fat?
    >
    > Why does the public have to pay for Philadelphia's decades of government
    > mismanagement? Like it's all our fault?!?
    >
    > BULL****!!!
    >
    > Andy



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    Dan Abel Guest

    Default Re: Philadelphia, PA: Sugar tax on drinks proposal: 2¢ per oz.

    In article <[email protected]>,
    Damaeus <[email protected]> wrote:


    > That would add $2.88 to the price of a case of Coca-Cola. Oh wait... I
    > forgot. Coke uses corn syrup, not sugar. I guess they can't tax that. If
    > Coke would use sugar in their drinks, I wouldn't mind paying more for
    > them.


    First of all, HFCS is a kind of sugar. It is roughly as sweet as
    sucrose, has the same mouthfeel and has the same number of calories.

    Secondly, this is a world wide newsgroup. In most of the world, sucrose
    is *cheaper* than HFCS, therefore it is used for sweetening soft drinks,
    like Coke. I don't know exactly where this is true, though.

    --
    Dan Abel
    Petaluma, California USA
    [email protected]

  8. #8
    Virginia Tadrzynski Guest

    Default Re: Philadelphia, PA: Sugar tax on drinks proposal: 2 per oz.


    "snuffy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]..
    > What do you suggest as an alternative, Andy? You want your potholes
    > fixed for free and the schools to stay open and the cops to protect
    > you and the firemen and the trash pick up all for free?? Keep
    > drinking your Pepsi and we can keep the libraries open a few hours a
    > day. ========
    >
    >
    >
    >> Philadelphia, PA: Sugar tax on drinks proposal: 2 per oz.
    >>
    >> To help relieve the city's tax burden they're proposing this tax!!!
    >>
    >> What next? Tax fat?
    >>
    >> Why does the public have to pay for Philadelphia's decades of government
    >> mismanagement? Like it's all our fault?!?
    >>
    >> BULL****!!!
    >>
    >> Andy

    >


    If I recall, Andy lives in Media, which is in Delaware County, a suburb of
    Philly, so unless he is hopping the R3 Media/Elwyn train to Center City to
    stock up on his soda fix, I don't think he has to worry. His local Acme
    won't charge him a soda tax as this only applies to Philadelphia and not
    it's suburbs.
    -ginny



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    theowp Guest

    Default Re: Philadelphia, PA: Sugar tax on drinks proposal: 2 per oz.

    I think the issue is that the tax is discrimanatory and targets a
    particular population of people (those who prefer non-diet drinks for
    whatever reason whether it be taste or what have you). There are plenty
    of other ways to tax people in Philadelphia on a more universal level
    to maintain the police and roads.

    However, as was mentioned earlier, the tax is supposedly being put
    towards obesity awareness / prevention / make go away programs. That is
    a good thing. Though as a healthy individual living in Philly who likes
    the taste of sugar (Pepsi Throwback ), I would like to see the tax
    targeted more towards retailers known for less than healthy food. Maybe
    the tax could only apply to restaurants or fast food places rather than
    grocery stores?



  10. #10
    Andy Guest

    Default Re: Philadelphia, PA: Sugar tax on drinks proposal: 2 per oz.

    "Virginia Tadrzynski" <[email protected]> wrote:

    >
    > "snuffy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected].
    > .
    >> What do you suggest as an alternative, Andy? You want your potholes
    >> fixed for free and the schools to stay open and the cops to protect
    >> you and the firemen and the trash pick up all for free?? Keep
    >> drinking your Pepsi and we can keep the libraries open a few hours a
    >> day. ========
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>> Philadelphia, PA: Sugar tax on drinks proposal: 2 per oz.
    >>>
    >>> To help relieve the city's tax burden they're proposing this tax!!!
    >>>
    >>> What next? Tax fat?
    >>>
    >>> Why does the public have to pay for Philadelphia's decades of
    >>> government mismanagement? Like it's all our fault?!?
    >>>
    >>> BULL****!!!
    >>>
    >>> Andy

    >>

    >
    > If I recall, Andy lives in Media, which is in Delaware County, a
    > suburb of Philly, so unless he is hopping the R3 Media/Elwyn train to
    > Center City to stock up on his soda fix, I don't think he has to
    > worry. His local Acme won't charge him a soda tax as this only
    > applies to Philadelphia and not it's suburbs.
    > -ginny



    ginny,

    While true about Media, PA, DelCo, the proposed tax still stands as
    outright BULL****!!!

    How would you feel if it happened in your town?

    Best,

    Andy

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    [email protected] Guest

    Default Re: Philadelphia, PA: Sugar tax on drinks proposal: 2 per oz.

    On Mar 4, 11:05*pm, theowp wrote:
    > I think the issue is that the tax is discrimanatory and targets a
    > particular population of people (those who prefer non-diet drinks for
    > whatever reason whether it be taste or what have you). There are plenty
    > of other ways to tax people in Philadelphia on a more universal level
    > to maintain the police and roads.
    >
    > However, as was mentioned earlier, the tax is supposedly being put
    > towards obesity awareness / prevention / make go away programs. That is
    > a good thing. Though as a healthy individual living in Philly who likes
    > the taste of sugar (Pepsi Throwback ), I would like to see the tax
    > targeted more towards retailers known for less than healthy food. Maybe
    > the tax could only apply to restaurants or fast food places rather than
    > grocery stores?


    They are talking about a similar tax in Washington state. No mention
    of obesity programs, just need money. 5 cents per soda and 1 penny per
    *ounce* of bottled water. That could double a case of water and more
    than double gallons and larger.

    I drink both pop and bottled water. Around here the tap water tastes
    nasty. Filters help, but bot completely. The filter in the fridge does
    no good at all. Even the ice stinks. I use the filtered water to cook,
    but for drinking, I stick with the bottled water.

    It is really frustrating. Before the last election, our governor
    claimed we doing fine and denied claims that she was interested in
    starting a state tax (we already have a 9% sales tax for state and
    city). But shortly after winning the election, she announced that our
    budget is bad, and we need to consider a partial state income tax in
    addition to the sales tax. And now they are talking about taxes on
    soda, bottled water, and candy.

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    Steve Pope Guest

    Default Re: Re: Philadelphia, PA: Sugar tax on drinks proposal: 2 per oz.

    [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote:

    >On Mar 4, 11:05*pm, theowp wrote:


    >> I think the issue is that the tax is discrimanatory and targets a
    >> particular population of people (those who prefer non-diet drinks for
    >> whatever reason whether it be taste or what have you). There are plenty
    >> of other ways to tax people in Philadelphia on a more universal level
    >> to maintain the police and roads.


    >> However, as was mentioned earlier, the tax is supposedly being put
    >> towards obesity awareness / prevention / make go away programs. That is
    >> a good thing. Though as a healthy individual living in Philly who likes
    >> the taste of sugar (Pepsi Throwback ), I would like to see the tax
    >> targeted more towards retailers known for less than healthy food. Maybe
    >> the tax could only apply to restaurants or fast food places rather than
    >> grocery stores?


    >They are talking about a similar tax in Washington state. No mention
    >of obesity programs, just need money. 5 cents per soda and 1 penny per
    >*ounce* of bottled water. That could double a case of water and more
    >than double gallons and larger.


    California has had a junk food tax for years. Normally, groceries
    are not subject to sales tax but they make an exception and tax
    sodapop and snack food at the normal sales tax rate, which is
    roughly 10%.

    The categories are a little wonky; a kid buys a candy bar, he
    is taxed, wherase a yuppie buys a Green and Black chocolate
    bar, he is not taxed. No luxury tax on caviar or truffles,
    but there's tax on Fritos.

    I personally have thought for years they should tax all groceries,
    then credit back to the taxpayer on their income taxes an
    amount calculated to be what they would have had to pay for
    necessary food. This would have the effect of only taxing
    the luxury component of food-buying, and also taxing people
    who are passing through the state transiently ... could always
    use some more of their money.

    Steve

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    blake murphy Guest

    Default Re: Philadelphia, PA: Sugar tax on drinks proposal: 2 per oz.

    On Fri, 05 Mar 2010 01:20:52 -0600, Andy wrote:

    > "Virginia Tadrzynski" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >>
    >> "snuffy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >> news:[email protected].
    >> .
    >>> What do you suggest as an alternative, Andy? You want your potholes
    >>> fixed for free and the schools to stay open and the cops to protect
    >>> you and the firemen and the trash pick up all for free?? Keep
    >>> drinking your Pepsi and we can keep the libraries open a few hours a
    >>> day. ========
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>> Philadelphia, PA: Sugar tax on drinks proposal: 2 per oz.
    >>>>
    >>>> To help relieve the city's tax burden they're proposing this tax!!!
    >>>>
    >>>> What next? Tax fat?
    >>>>
    >>>> Why does the public have to pay for Philadelphia's decades of
    >>>> government mismanagement? Like it's all our fault?!?
    >>>>
    >>>> BULL****!!!
    >>>>
    >>>> Andy
    >>>

    >>
    >> If I recall, Andy lives in Media, which is in Delaware County, a
    >> suburb of Philly, so unless he is hopping the R3 Media/Elwyn train to
    >> Center City to stock up on his soda fix, I don't think he has to
    >> worry. His local Acme won't charge him a soda tax as this only
    >> applies to Philadelphia and not it's suburbs.
    >> -ginny

    >
    > ginny,
    >
    > While true about Media, PA, DelCo, the proposed tax still stands as
    > outright BULL****!!!
    >
    > How would you feel if it happened in your town?
    >
    > Best,
    >
    > Andy


    OMGOMG!!!! time for pitchforks and lanterns, sheeple!!!

    blake

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    Zeppo Guest

    Default Re: Philadelphia, PA: Sugar tax on drinks proposal: 2 per oz.


    >> If I recall, Andy lives in Media, which is in Delaware County, a
    >> suburb of Philly, so unless he is hopping the R3 Media/Elwyn train to
    >> Center City to stock up on his soda fix, I don't think he has to
    >> worry. His local Acme won't charge him a soda tax as this only
    >> applies to Philadelphia and not it's suburbs.
    >> -ginny

    >
    >
    > ginny,
    >
    > While true about Media, PA, DelCo, the proposed tax still stands as
    > outright BULL****!!!
    >
    > How would you feel if it happened in your town?
    >
    > Best,
    >
    > Andy


    Ginny has a point, Andy. The Mayor is trying to run the city like a
    business, the first one to do so in my lifetime. He trying to find a way to
    fund the services the city provides now, instead of borrowing against the
    future and just make his successor responsible when the city goes bankrupt.

    Philly, like most major cities in the US was hit incredibly hard by the
    financial meltdown. They are also getting less support from the state and
    the feds. It's getting harder and harder to keep city services like
    libraries, schools and trash pickup at acceptable levels without finding
    more funding.

    I'm not sure I think that the soda tax is a great idea, but at least its an
    idea. If you have a better one, let Nutter's office know.

    Just my ounce of Dr. pepper.
    Jon


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    Andy Guest

    Default Re: Philadelphia, PA: Sugar tax on drinks proposal: 2 per oz.

    "Zeppo" <[email protected]> wrote:

    >
    >>> If I recall, Andy lives in Media, which is in Delaware County, a
    >>> suburb of Philly, so unless he is hopping the R3 Media/Elwyn train
    >>> to Center City to stock up on his soda fix, I don't think he has to
    >>> worry. His local Acme won't charge him a soda tax as this only
    >>> applies to Philadelphia and not it's suburbs.
    >>> -ginny

    >>
    >>
    >> ginny,
    >>
    >> While true about Media, PA, DelCo, the proposed tax still stands as
    >> outright BULL****!!!
    >>
    >> How would you feel if it happened in your town?
    >>
    >> Best,
    >>
    >> Andy

    >
    > Ginny has a point, Andy. The Mayor is trying to run the city like a
    > business, the first one to do so in my lifetime. He trying to find a
    > way to fund the services the city provides now, instead of borrowing
    > against the future and just make his successor responsible when the
    > city goes bankrupt.
    >
    > Philly, like most major cities in the US was hit incredibly hard by
    > the financial meltdown. They are also getting less support from the
    > state and the feds. It's getting harder and harder to keep city
    > services like libraries, schools and trash pickup at acceptable levels
    > without finding more funding.
    >
    > I'm not sure I think that the soda tax is a great idea, but at least
    > its an idea. If you have a better one, let Nutter's office know.
    >
    > Just my ounce of Dr. pepper.
    > Jon



    Jon,

    Mayor Nutter didn't exactly have a "clean plate" to start with when he
    was elected. Understood!

    Best,

    Andy

  16. #16
    Damaeus Guest

    Default Re: Philadelphia, PA: Sugar tax on drinks proposal: 2¢ per oz.

    Reading from news:rec.food.cooking,
    Dan Abel <[email protected]> posted:

    > In article <[email protected]>,
    > Damaeus <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    > > That would add $2.88 to the price of a case of Coca-Cola. Oh wait... I
    > > forgot. Coke uses corn syrup, not sugar. I guess they can't tax that. If
    > > Coke would use sugar in their drinks, I wouldn't mind paying more for
    > > them.

    >
    > First of all, HFCS is a kind of sugar. It is roughly as sweet as
    > sucrose, has the same mouthfeel and has the same number of calories.
    >
    > Secondly, this is a world wide newsgroup. In most of the world, sucrose
    > is *cheaper* than HFCS, therefore it is used for sweetening soft drinks,
    > like Coke. I don't know exactly where this is true, though.


    Well, I've read that high-fructose corn syrup is used to sweeten Coke in
    America /because/ it's cheaper than sugar. All I'm saying is that while I
    like Coke as my favorite soda, I don't like the fact that the only reason
    we don't get sugar in the most-available Coke product here is only because
    HFCS is cheaper.

    Gasoline is cheaper than bottled water. Why don't they use that in canned
    soups instead of water? Interesting, too, in a world that's 75% water,
    water costs more than gasoline.

    Damaeus

  17. #17
    Cindy Hamilton Guest

    Default Re: Philadelphia, PA: Sugar tax on drinks proposal: 2 per oz.

    On Mar 4, 9:15*pm, Damaeus <no-m...@damaeus.yahoo.invalid> wrote:
    > Reading from news:rec.food.cooking,
    > Andy <a...@b.c> posted:
    >
    > > Philadelphia, PA: Sugar tax on drinks proposal: 2+AKI- per oz.

    >
    > > To help relieve the city's tax burden they're proposing this tax!!!

    >
    > > What next? Tax fat?

    >
    > > Why does the public have to pay for Philadelphia's decades of government
    > > mismanagement? Like it's all our fault?!?

    >
    > > BULL****!!!

    >
    > That would add $2.88 to the price of a case of Coca-Cola. *Oh wait... I
    > forgot. *Coke uses corn syrup, not sugar. *I guess they can't tax that. If
    > Coke would use sugar in their drinks, I wouldn't mind paying more for
    > them.


    Do you really think that the intent is to tax sucrose and not HFCS?
    It
    would certainly apply to drinks sweetened with HFCS.

    Cindy Hamilton

  18. #18
    The Other Guy Guest

    Default Re: Philadelphia, PA: Sugar tax on drinks proposal: 2 per oz.

    On Fri, 5 Mar 2010 12:42:24 -0500, "Zeppo" <[email protected]> wrote:

    >I'm not sure I think that the soda tax is a great idea, but at least its an
    >idea. If you have a better one, let Nutter's office know.
    >
    >Just my ounce of Dr. pepper.


    It's a STUPID idea.

    All it will do is reduce sales, which will result in LESS tax money
    than the City is planning for, which means MORE deficit!






  19. #19
    Virginia Tadrzynski Guest

    Default Re: Philadelphia, PA: Sugar tax on drinks proposal: 2 per oz.


    "Zeppo" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]..
    >
    >>> If I recall, Andy lives in Media, which is in Delaware County, a
    >>> suburb of Philly, so unless he is hopping the R3 Media/Elwyn train to
    >>> Center City to stock up on his soda fix, I don't think he has to
    >>> worry. His local Acme won't charge him a soda tax as this only
    >>> applies to Philadelphia and not it's suburbs.
    >>> -ginny

    >>
    >>
    >> ginny,
    >>
    >> While true about Media, PA, DelCo, the proposed tax still stands as
    >> outright BULL****!!!
    >>
    >> How would you feel if it happened in your town?
    >>
    >> Best,
    >>
    >> Andy

    >
    > Ginny has a point, Andy. The Mayor is trying to run the city like a
    > business, the first one to do so in my lifetime. He trying to find a way
    > to fund the services the city provides now, instead of borrowing against
    > the future and just make his successor responsible when the city goes
    > bankrupt.
    >
    > Philly, like most major cities in the US was hit incredibly hard by the
    > financial meltdown. They are also getting less support from the state and
    > the feds. It's getting harder and harder to keep city services like
    > libraries, schools and trash pickup at acceptable levels without finding
    > more funding.
    >
    > I'm not sure I think that the soda tax is a great idea, but at least its
    > an idea. If you have a better one, let Nutter's office know.
    >
    > Just my ounce of Dr. pepper.
    > Jon

    Thanks Jon, I think Nutter is trying which is more than what Street did. If
    you don't want to pay a soda tax don't buy a soda in Philly. People will
    grouse and complain, but these are the same people who pay $1.89 a soda at
    the mom-n-pop on the corner rather than watching the ads and buying a six
    pack or a case of the sodas for not all that much more (I live on Diet
    Dew.....local grocer just had the 6 pks of the 24 oz. bottles for
    3/$9)......when I go to the city to visit, I'll just take my bottle with me
    (hard to find anyway).
    -ginny



  20. #20
    Stan Horwitz Guest

    Default Re: Philadelphia, PA: Sugar tax on drinks proposal: 2 per oz.

    In article <[email protected]>,
    "Zeppo" <[email protected]> wrote:

    > >> If I recall, Andy lives in Media, which is in Delaware County, a
    > >> suburb of Philly, so unless he is hopping the R3 Media/Elwyn train to
    > >> Center City to stock up on his soda fix, I don't think he has to
    > >> worry. His local Acme won't charge him a soda tax as this only
    > >> applies to Philadelphia and not it's suburbs.
    > >> -ginny

    > >
    > >
    > > ginny,
    > >
    > > While true about Media, PA, DelCo, the proposed tax still stands as
    > > outright BULL****!!!
    > >
    > > How would you feel if it happened in your town?
    > >
    > > Best,
    > >
    > > Andy

    >
    > Ginny has a point, Andy. The Mayor is trying to run the city like a
    > business, the first one to do so in my lifetime. He trying to find a way to
    > fund the services the city provides now, instead of borrowing against the
    > future and just make his successor responsible when the city goes bankrupt.
    >
    > Philly, like most major cities in the US was hit incredibly hard by the
    > financial meltdown. They are also getting less support from the state and
    > the feds. It's getting harder and harder to keep city services like
    > libraries, schools and trash pickup at acceptable levels without finding
    > more funding.
    >
    > I'm not sure I think that the soda tax is a great idea, but at least its an
    > idea. If you have a better one, let Nutter's office know.


    I work in Philadelphia. I was also born and raised there. I am all for a
    soda tax, but the proposed rate is way too high. At 2 cents per ounce,
    the tax on a typical bottle of soda would be $0.80 which equates to
    approximately 50% of the retail price. Note also that this proposed tax
    also includes lots of other sugared drinks such as many juices, coffee
    drinks, etc. A much more realistic tax would be based on a percentage of
    the drink's retail price.

    What would happen if this proposed tax is implemented in Philly is that
    soda sales in the city's grocery and convenience stores would plummet
    because people would buy less or walk across the city's border and buy
    them in an adjacent county.

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