Thread: parenting

On Jun 12, 5:46*pm, Orlando Enrique Fiol <of...@verizon.net> wrote:
> alsand...@g.mail.com wrote:
> >
>
> > Putting an elite in charge is a BAD idea. *
> > Fascism is SO 20th century.
>
> I agree. But, a liberal bureaucracy is not much better.
>
We already have an elite in charge. They are the wealthy. They make
sure that the rules of the game allow them to accumulate power and
wealth WAY out of proportion to what they contribute to society. I
agree about the parasites at the bottom, but FAR worse are the
parasites at the top. The parasites at the top LIKE the fact that
stupid, ugly folks with bad personal habits exist and breed more
little stupid, ugly slobs in their own image. It gives middle income
folks someone to feel better than, and to blame for our stagnating
fortunes. Otherwise we might look to the bigger problem, the
parasites at the top who live like royalty.

Anyone who won't admit that is either rich himself, a liar or a moron.
>
> Orlando

--Bryan

Orlando Enrique Fiol wrote:
> [email protected] wrote:
>> People have rights, no matter how frustrating it is for you.
>
> People don't have the right to make me responsible for taking care of them
> unless they ask me first, which they usually don't. People don't have the right
> to use my resources without contributing in some way to society.


I believe that's filed under civilization, subheader compassion.

No one "manufactures" resources in a vacuum. Your resources are the
result of someone giving you a job or people supporting your business
unless you have a money printing press in your basement.

gloria p

Wow! You tell 'em, brother!

[email protected] wrote:
>We already have an elite in charge. They are the wealthy. They make
>sure that the rules of the game allow them to accumulate power and
>wealth WAY out of proportion to what they contribute to society. I
>agree about the parasites at the bottom, but FAR worse are the
>parasites at the top. The parasites at the top LIKE the fact that
>stupid, ugly folks with bad personal habits exist and breed more
>little stupid, ugly slobs in their own image. It gives middle income
>folks someone to feel better than, and to blame for our stagnating
>fortunes. Otherwise we might look to the bigger problem, the
>parasites at the top who live like royalty.

Furthermore, the parasites at the top make sure that those on the bottom are
kept properly drunk, high, sexed up and blissed out on TV and junk food so that
they're too incapacitated to revolt. Rather than fund a gargantuan oppressive
force to keep the poor afraid, the parasites make sure there are plenty of guns
floating around underprivileged communities so that people will kill each
other. The better the poor can be convinced that they're unworthy of better,
the less they threaten the parasitic choke hold on the best education, jobs and
health care.

Orlando

On Jun 12, 10:25*pm, Orlando Enrique Fiol <of...@verizon.net> wrote:
> Wow! You tell 'em, brother!

I do. Would you like a complimentary mp3 version of the album?
>
> bryangsimm...@gmail.com wrote:
> >We already have an elite in charge. *They are the wealthy. *They make
> >sure that the rules of the game allow them to accumulate power and
> >wealth WAY out of proportion to what they contribute to society. *I
> >agree about the parasites at the bottom, but FAR worse are the
> >parasites at the top. *The parasites at the top LIKE the fact that
> >stupid, ugly folks with bad personal habits exist and breed more
> >little stupid, ugly slobs in their own image. *It gives middle income
> >folks someone to feel better than, and to blame for our stagnating
> >fortunes. *Otherwise we might look to the bigger problem, the
> >parasites at the top who live like royalty.
>
> Furthermore, the parasites at the top make sure that those on the bottom are
> kept properly drunk, high, sexed up and blissed out on TV and junk food so
> that
> they're too incapacitated to revolt. Rather than fund a gargantuan oppressive
> force to keep the poor afraid, the parasites make sure there are plenty of guns
> floating around underprivileged communities so that people will kill each
> other. The better the poor can be convinced that they're unworthy of better,
> the less they threaten the parasitic choke hold on the best education,
> jobs and health care.

The wealthy know that the poor, even if they were not "kept properly
drunk, high, sexed up and blissed out on TV and junk food," would
never pose a threat. The threat is from middle income working class
and middle class folks; the middle three quintiles have the resources
to change the legal structures and cultural norms that permit wealth
to be so inequitably distributed.
>
> Orlando

--Bryan

[email protected] wrote:
>I do. Would you like a complimentary mp3 version of the album?

Most definitely!

>The wealthy know that the poor, even if they were not "kept properly
>drunk, high, sexed up and blissed out on TV and junk food," would
>never pose a threat.

The poor rarely start revolutions on their now, but are easily co opted.

>The threat is from middle income working class
>and middle class folks; the middle three quintiles have the resources
>to change the legal structures and cultural norms that permit wealth
>to be so inequitably distributed.

In that case, the parasitic class is not doing a good job of pacifying the
middle class. This economic downturn is hurting that class the most. The
wealthy are not filing for bankruptcy and losing their formerly overpriced
homes.

Orlando

"Orlando Enrique Fiol" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]. .
> [email protected] wrote:
>>I do. Would you like a complimentary mp3 version of the album?
>
> Most definitely!
>
>>The wealthy know that the poor, even if they were not "kept properly
>>drunk, high, sexed up and blissed out on TV and junk food," would
>>never pose a threat.
>
> The poor rarely start revolutions on their now, but are easily co opted.
>
>>The threat is from middle income working class
>>and middle class folks; the middle three quintiles have the resources
>>to change the legal structures and cultural norms that permit wealth
>>to be so inequitably distributed.
>
> In that case, the parasitic class is not doing a good job of pacifying the
> middle class. This economic downturn is hurting that class the most. The
> wealthy are not filing for bankruptcy and losing their formerly overpriced
> homes.
>
You are one of the most thoroughly unpleasant beings I have ever had the
misfortune of encountering.

[email protected] wrote:
>You are one of the most thoroughly unpleasant beings I have ever had the
>misfortune of encountering.

What a shame you emailed me a few times and didn't get your money's worth. What
about me makes you feel so unpleasant?

Orlando

On Jun 13, 12:04*am, Orlando Enrique Fiol <of...@verizon.net> wrote:
> CLASS...@BRICK.NET wrote:
> >I do. *Would you like a complimentary mp3 version of the album?
>
> Most definitely!
>

I'm not sure if track 10, which is over 10mb went through. It hasn't
bounced back YET.

Just curious (I saw your posts in the theory group), what would you
call this guitar chord?


_______O____O__O__

X
___________________

X X
___________________
F# B D G# B E


>
> Orlando

--Bryan

[email protected] wrote:
>I'm not sure if track 10, which is over 10mb went through. It hasn't
>bounced back YET.

Thanks for sending those. I think I got four or five emails, but don't know if
they were all copies of of a single track. I'm off to a gig now, but I'll
holler back at you later in the day.

>Just curious (I saw your posts in the theory group), what would you
>call this guitar chord?
>F# B D G# B E

I'd say that's a B minor 6 11. But it of course depends on which note you
consider the chord root.

Orlando

On Fri, 12 Jun 2009 19:46:41 -0400, Orlando Enrique Fiol wrote:

> [email protected] wrote:
>>People have rights, no matter how frustrating it is for you.
>
> People don't have the right to make me responsible for taking care of them
> unless they ask me first, which they usually don't. People don't have the right
> to use my resources without contributing in some way to society. If people are
> too poor or lacking in job skills to find good paying work, let's pay them what
> we pay workers in foreign countries or undocumented immigrants. But no, a
> Mexican, Haitian or Bangladeshi can come here and work for chump change, all
> the while saving pennies to build a house back home or start a business, while
> an American who speaks English and is a citizen can't be bothered to stay out
> of credit card debt. Do you know why all those undocumented workers bust their
> humps? Because they have one overarching fear: deportation back to the hell
> hole they left. They know they've got to get it right here, especially if
> they're undocumented and at risk for apprehension and deportation. Our poor
> have no incentive to get their lives together because some sector of society
> always steps in to catch them when they've made poor choices like becoming drug
> addicts or getting pregnant outside committed relationships.
>

yep, being poor, addicted and pregnant is a real day at the beach in this
country. i don't know why these people don't clean themselves up and
become republicans.

blake

On Fri, 12 Jun 2009 20:22:19 -0600, gloria.p wrote:

> Orlando Enrique Fiol wrote:
>> [email protected] wrote:
>>> People have rights, no matter how frustrating it is for you.
>>
>> People don't have the right to make me responsible for taking care of them
>> unless they ask me first, which they usually don't. People don't have the right
>> to use my resources without contributing in some way to society.
>
> I believe that's filed under civilization, subheader compassion.
>

exactly right. america would at least like to pretend that it won't let
people starve, no matter how feckless and stupid they may be.

> No one "manufactures" resources in a vacuum. Your resources are the
> result of someone giving you a job or people supporting your business
> unless you have a money printing press in your basement.

also right. why people persist in believing that they even made their own
bootstraps is puzzling to me.

your pal,
blake

[email protected] wrote:
>yep, being poor, addicted and pregnant is a real day at the beach in this
>country. i don't know why these people don't clean themselves up and
>become republicans.

Not at all my position. I don't know why we as a society don't make such people
more accountable to themselves, their children and us a society, rather than
enabling their pathologies with drugs, junk food, TV, cash benefits, religion
and conservative rhetoric intent on firing them up to hate others.

Orlando

"Orlando Enrique Fiol" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected] ..
> [email protected] wrote:
>>yep, being poor, addicted and pregnant is a real day at the beach in this
>>country. i don't know why these people don't clean themselves up and
>>become republicans.
>
> Not at all my position. I don't know why we as a society don't make such
> people
> more accountable to themselves, their children and us a society, rather
> than
> enabling their pathologies with drugs, junk food, TV, cash benefits,
> religion
> and conservative rhetoric intent on firing them up to hate others.
>
> Orlando


I remember the Florence Crittenden Homes for Unwed Mothers. If you somehow
became 'in the family way' you were sent away to have the baby and it was
put up for adoption. There was shame attached to bringing shame to your
family. Now pregnant teens are expected and a badge of honor. I suffered
the wrath of certain family members because I wouldn't hold a 'baby shower'
for one of the pregnant teens in the extended family. I told them I wasn't
going to reward her for her behavior. Not only will I not throw one, but I
will not go to a shower for an 'errant teen'.
-ginny

Orlando Enrique Fiol <[email protected]> wrote in
news:[email protected]:

> Not at all my position. I don't know why we as a society don't make
> such people more accountable to themselves, their children and us a
> society, rather than enabling their pathologies with drugs, junk food,
> TV, cash benefits, religion and conservative rhetoric intent on firing
> them up to hate others.

And what makes you so ****ing pure you can make that demand?

--

Capitalism is the astounding belief that the most wickedest
of men will do the most wickedest of things for the greatest
good of everyone. - John Maynard Keynes

On Sun, 14 Jun 2009 00:50:18 -0400, Orlando Enrique Fiol wrote:

> [email protected] wrote:
>>yep, being poor, addicted and pregnant is a real day at the beach in this
>>country. i don't know why these people don't clean themselves up and
>>become republicans.
>
> Not at all my position. I don't know why we as a society don't make such people
> more accountable to themselves, their children and us a society, rather than
> enabling their pathologies with drugs, junk food, TV, cash benefits, religion
> and conservative rhetoric intent on firing them up to hate others.
>
> Orlando

i don't think conservative rhetoric is designed to fire up the poor to hate
others. it's designed to fire up others to hate the poor.

blake

On Sat, 13 Jun 2009 02:20:06 -0400, "cybercat" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>
>"Orlando Enrique Fiol" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected] ..
>> [email protected] wrote:
>>>I do. Would you like a complimentary mp3 version of the album?
>>
>> Most definitely!
>>
>>>The wealthy know that the poor, even if they were not "kept properly
>>>drunk, high, sexed up and blissed out on TV and junk food," would
>>>never pose a threat.
>>
>> The poor rarely start revolutions on their now, but are easily co opted.
>>
>>>The threat is from middle income working class
>>>and middle class folks; the middle three quintiles have the resources
>>>to change the legal structures and cultural norms that permit wealth
>>>to be so inequitably distributed.
>>
>> In that case, the parasitic class is not doing a good job of pacifying the
>> middle class. This economic downturn is hurting that class the most. The
>> wealthy are not filing for bankruptcy and losing their formerly overpriced
>> homes.
>>
>You are one of the most thoroughly unpleasant beings I have ever had the
>misfortune of encountering.
>
Everybody has a point of view and his rhetoric is stuck in the past.
Power to the people!

--
I love cooking with wine.
Sometimes I even put it in the food.

"Gregory Morrow" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected] m...
> blake murphy wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 12 Jun 2009 20:22:19 -0600, gloria.p wrote:
>>
>>> Orlando Enrique Fiol wrote:
>>>> [email protected] wrote:
>>>>> People have rights, no matter how frustrating it is for you.
>>>>
>>>> People don't have the right to make me responsible for taking care
>>>> of them unless they ask me first, which they usually don't. People
>>>> don't have the right to use my resources without contributing in
>>>> some way to society.
>>>
>>> I believe that's filed under civilization, subheader compassion.
>>>
>>
>> exactly right. america would at least like to pretend that it won't
>> let people starve, no matter how feckless and stupid they may be.
>>
>
> And we're the first society in history where many, many of the poor are
> *fat*...ain't America GREAT or WHAT...!!!???
>
> ;-P

Obesity is caused by malnutrition.

"Gregory Morrow" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected] m...
> blake murphy wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 14 Jun 2009 00:50:18 -0400, Orlando Enrique Fiol wrote:
>>
>>> [email protected] wrote:
>>>> yep, being poor, addicted and pregnant is a real day at the beach
>>>> in this country. i don't know why these people don't clean
>>>> themselves up and become republicans.
>>>
>>> Not at all my position. I don't know why we as a society don't make
>>> such people more accountable to themselves, their children and us a
>>> society, rather than enabling their pathologies with drugs, junk
>>> food, TV, cash benefits, religion and conservative rhetoric intent
>>> on firing them up to hate others.
>>>
>>> Orlando
>>
>> i don't think conservative rhetoric is designed to fire up the poor
>> to hate others. it's designed to fire up others to hate the poor.
>>
>
>
> Poor people are stupid so who *really* gives a ****, blake...???
>
>

Queers are stupid, so who gives a ****, Greggie?

blake murphy wrote:

> On Fri, 12 Jun 2009 20:22:19 -0600, gloria.p wrote:
>
>> Orlando Enrique Fiol wrote:
>>> [email protected] wrote:
>>>> People have rights, no matter how frustrating it is for you.
>>>
>>> People don't have the right to make me responsible for taking care
>>> of them unless they ask me first, which they usually don't. People
>>> don't have the right to use my resources without contributing in
>>> some way to society.
>>
>> I believe that's filed under civilization, subheader compassion.
>>
>
> exactly right. america would at least like to pretend that it won't
> let people starve, no matter how feckless and stupid they may be.
>

And we're the first society in history where many, many of the poor are
*fat*...ain't America GREAT or WHAT...!!!???

;-P


--
Best
Greg