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  1. #1
    Orlando Enrique Fiol Guest

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    [email protected] wrote:
    >People have rights, no matter how frustrating it is for you.


    People don't have the right to make me responsible for taking care of them
    unless they ask me first, which they usually don't. People don't have the right
    to use my resources without contributing in some way to society. If people are
    too poor or lacking in job skills to find good paying work, let's pay them what
    we pay workers in foreign countries or undocumented immigrants. But no, a
    Mexican, Haitian or Bangladeshi can come here and work for chump change, all
    the while saving pennies to build a house back home or start a business, while
    an American who speaks English and is a citizen can't be bothered to stay out
    of credit card debt. Do you know why all those undocumented workers bust their
    humps? Because they have one overarching fear: deportation back to the hell
    hole they left. They know they've got to get it right here, especially if
    they're undocumented and at risk for apprehension and deportation. Our poor
    have no incentive to get their lives together because some sector of society
    always steps in to catch them when they've made poor choices like becoming drug
    addicts or getting pregnant outside committed relationships.

    >Putting an elite in charge is a BAD idea. Fascism is SO 20th century.


    I agree. But, a liberal bureaucracy is not much better.

    >No, I'm saying those who have dreams should follow them but not insist
    >others do the same.


    I'm perfectly aware that there will always be slothful people content to get by
    with the bare minimum of education, employment or material comfort. But, there
    is a difference between choosing to live simply and being neglectful. By
    neglectful, I don't mean parents who refuse to buy their kids new designer
    clothes or cell phones; I mean parents who don't make sure their children are
    clean, healthy, well rested and fed on a daily basis.

    Orlando

  2. #2
    Bryan Guest

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    On Jun 12, 5:46*pm, Orlando Enrique Fiol <of...@verizon.net> wrote:
    > alsand...@g.mail.com wrote:
    > >

    >
    > > Putting an elite in charge is a BAD idea. *
    > > Fascism is SO 20th century.

    >
    > I agree. But, a liberal bureaucracy is not much better.
    >

    We already have an elite in charge. They are the wealthy. They make
    sure that the rules of the game allow them to accumulate power and
    wealth WAY out of proportion to what they contribute to society. I
    agree about the parasites at the bottom, but FAR worse are the
    parasites at the top. The parasites at the top LIKE the fact that
    stupid, ugly folks with bad personal habits exist and breed more
    little stupid, ugly slobs in their own image. It gives middle income
    folks someone to feel better than, and to blame for our stagnating
    fortunes. Otherwise we might look to the bigger problem, the
    parasites at the top who live like royalty.

    Anyone who won't admit that is either rich himself, a liar or a moron.
    >
    > Orlando


    --Bryan

  3. #3
    gloria.p Guest

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    Orlando Enrique Fiol wrote:
    > [email protected] wrote:
    >> People have rights, no matter how frustrating it is for you.

    >
    > People don't have the right to make me responsible for taking care of them
    > unless they ask me first, which they usually don't. People don't have the right
    > to use my resources without contributing in some way to society.



    I believe that's filed under civilization, subheader compassion.

    No one "manufactures" resources in a vacuum. Your resources are the
    result of someone giving you a job or people supporting your business
    unless you have a money printing press in your basement.

    gloria p

  4. #4
    Orlando Enrique Fiol Guest

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    Wow! You tell 'em, brother!

    [email protected] wrote:
    >We already have an elite in charge. They are the wealthy. They make
    >sure that the rules of the game allow them to accumulate power and
    >wealth WAY out of proportion to what they contribute to society. I
    >agree about the parasites at the bottom, but FAR worse are the
    >parasites at the top. The parasites at the top LIKE the fact that
    >stupid, ugly folks with bad personal habits exist and breed more
    >little stupid, ugly slobs in their own image. It gives middle income
    >folks someone to feel better than, and to blame for our stagnating
    >fortunes. Otherwise we might look to the bigger problem, the
    >parasites at the top who live like royalty.


    Furthermore, the parasites at the top make sure that those on the bottom are
    kept properly drunk, high, sexed up and blissed out on TV and junk food so that
    they're too incapacitated to revolt. Rather than fund a gargantuan oppressive
    force to keep the poor afraid, the parasites make sure there are plenty of guns
    floating around underprivileged communities so that people will kill each
    other. The better the poor can be convinced that they're unworthy of better,
    the less they threaten the parasitic choke hold on the best education, jobs and
    health care.

    Orlando

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    =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Bobo_Bonobo=AE?= Guest

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    On Jun 12, 10:25*pm, Orlando Enrique Fiol <of...@verizon.net> wrote:
    > Wow! You tell 'em, brother!


    I do. Would you like a complimentary mp3 version of the album?
    >
    > bryangsimm...@gmail.com wrote:
    > >We already have an elite in charge. *They are the wealthy. *They make
    > >sure that the rules of the game allow them to accumulate power and
    > >wealth WAY out of proportion to what they contribute to society. *I
    > >agree about the parasites at the bottom, but FAR worse are the
    > >parasites at the top. *The parasites at the top LIKE the fact that
    > >stupid, ugly folks with bad personal habits exist and breed more
    > >little stupid, ugly slobs in their own image. *It gives middle income
    > >folks someone to feel better than, and to blame for our stagnating
    > >fortunes. *Otherwise we might look to the bigger problem, the
    > >parasites at the top who live like royalty.

    >
    > Furthermore, the parasites at the top make sure that those on the bottom are
    > kept properly drunk, high, sexed up and blissed out on TV and junk food so
    > that
    > they're too incapacitated to revolt. Rather than fund a gargantuan oppressive
    > force to keep the poor afraid, the parasites make sure there are plenty of guns
    > floating around underprivileged communities so that people will kill each
    > other. The better the poor can be convinced that they're unworthy of better,
    > the less they threaten the parasitic choke hold on the best education,
    > jobs and health care.


    The wealthy know that the poor, even if they were not "kept properly
    drunk, high, sexed up and blissed out on TV and junk food," would
    never pose a threat. The threat is from middle income working class
    and middle class folks; the middle three quintiles have the resources
    to change the legal structures and cultural norms that permit wealth
    to be so inequitably distributed.
    >
    > Orlando


    --Bryan

  6. #6
    Orlando Enrique Fiol Guest

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    [email protected] wrote:
    >I do. Would you like a complimentary mp3 version of the album?


    Most definitely!

    >The wealthy know that the poor, even if they were not "kept properly
    >drunk, high, sexed up and blissed out on TV and junk food," would
    >never pose a threat.


    The poor rarely start revolutions on their now, but are easily co opted.

    >The threat is from middle income working class
    >and middle class folks; the middle three quintiles have the resources
    >to change the legal structures and cultural norms that permit wealth
    >to be so inequitably distributed.


    In that case, the parasitic class is not doing a good job of pacifying the
    middle class. This economic downturn is hurting that class the most. The
    wealthy are not filing for bankruptcy and losing their formerly overpriced
    homes.

    Orlando

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    cybercat Guest

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    "Orlando Enrique Fiol" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]. .
    > [email protected] wrote:
    >>I do. Would you like a complimentary mp3 version of the album?

    >
    > Most definitely!
    >
    >>The wealthy know that the poor, even if they were not "kept properly
    >>drunk, high, sexed up and blissed out on TV and junk food," would
    >>never pose a threat.

    >
    > The poor rarely start revolutions on their now, but are easily co opted.
    >
    >>The threat is from middle income working class
    >>and middle class folks; the middle three quintiles have the resources
    >>to change the legal structures and cultural norms that permit wealth
    >>to be so inequitably distributed.

    >
    > In that case, the parasitic class is not doing a good job of pacifying the
    > middle class. This economic downturn is hurting that class the most. The
    > wealthy are not filing for bankruptcy and losing their formerly overpriced
    > homes.
    >

    You are one of the most thoroughly unpleasant beings I have ever had the
    misfortune of encountering.



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    Orlando Enrique Fiol Guest

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    =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Bobo_Bonobo=AE?= Guest

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    On Jun 13, 12:04*am, Orlando Enrique Fiol <of...@verizon.net> wrote:
    > CLASS...@BRICK.NET wrote:
    > >I do. *Would you like a complimentary mp3 version of the album?

    >
    > Most definitely!
    >


    I'm not sure if track 10, which is over 10mb went through. It hasn't
    bounced back YET.

    Just curious (I saw your posts in the theory group), what would you
    call this guitar chord?


    _______O____O__O__

    X
    ___________________

    X X
    ___________________
    F# B D G# B E


    >
    > Orlando


    --Bryan

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    Orlando Enrique Fiol Guest

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    [email protected] wrote:
    >I'm not sure if track 10, which is over 10mb went through. It hasn't
    >bounced back YET.


    Thanks for sending those. I think I got four or five emails, but don't know if
    they were all copies of of a single track. I'm off to a gig now, but I'll
    holler back at you later in the day.

    >Just curious (I saw your posts in the theory group), what would you
    >call this guitar chord?
    >F# B D G# B E


    I'd say that's a B minor 6 11. But it of course depends on which note you
    consider the chord root.

    Orlando

  11. #11
    blake murphy Guest

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    On Fri, 12 Jun 2009 19:46:41 -0400, Orlando Enrique Fiol wrote:

    > [email protected] wrote:
    >>People have rights, no matter how frustrating it is for you.

    >
    > People don't have the right to make me responsible for taking care of them
    > unless they ask me first, which they usually don't. People don't have the right
    > to use my resources without contributing in some way to society. If people are
    > too poor or lacking in job skills to find good paying work, let's pay them what
    > we pay workers in foreign countries or undocumented immigrants. But no, a
    > Mexican, Haitian or Bangladeshi can come here and work for chump change, all
    > the while saving pennies to build a house back home or start a business, while
    > an American who speaks English and is a citizen can't be bothered to stay out
    > of credit card debt. Do you know why all those undocumented workers bust their
    > humps? Because they have one overarching fear: deportation back to the hell
    > hole they left. They know they've got to get it right here, especially if
    > they're undocumented and at risk for apprehension and deportation. Our poor
    > have no incentive to get their lives together because some sector of society
    > always steps in to catch them when they've made poor choices like becoming drug
    > addicts or getting pregnant outside committed relationships.
    >


    yep, being poor, addicted and pregnant is a real day at the beach in this
    country. i don't know why these people don't clean themselves up and
    become republicans.

    blake

  12. #12
    blake murphy Guest

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    On Fri, 12 Jun 2009 20:22:19 -0600, gloria.p wrote:

    > Orlando Enrique Fiol wrote:
    >> [email protected] wrote:
    >>> People have rights, no matter how frustrating it is for you.

    >>
    >> People don't have the right to make me responsible for taking care of them
    >> unless they ask me first, which they usually don't. People don't have the right
    >> to use my resources without contributing in some way to society.

    >
    > I believe that's filed under civilization, subheader compassion.
    >


    exactly right. america would at least like to pretend that it won't let
    people starve, no matter how feckless and stupid they may be.

    > No one "manufactures" resources in a vacuum. Your resources are the
    > result of someone giving you a job or people supporting your business
    > unless you have a money printing press in your basement.


    also right. why people persist in believing that they even made their own
    bootstraps is puzzling to me.

    your pal,
    blake

  13. #13
    Orlando Enrique Fiol Guest

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    [email protected] wrote:
    >yep, being poor, addicted and pregnant is a real day at the beach in this
    >country. i don't know why these people don't clean themselves up and
    >become republicans.


    Not at all my position. I don't know why we as a society don't make such people
    more accountable to themselves, their children and us a society, rather than
    enabling their pathologies with drugs, junk food, TV, cash benefits, religion
    and conservative rhetoric intent on firing them up to hate others.

    Orlando

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    Virginia Tadrzynski Guest

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    "Orlando Enrique Fiol" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected] ..
    > [email protected] wrote:
    >>yep, being poor, addicted and pregnant is a real day at the beach in this
    >>country. i don't know why these people don't clean themselves up and
    >>become republicans.

    >
    > Not at all my position. I don't know why we as a society don't make such
    > people
    > more accountable to themselves, their children and us a society, rather
    > than
    > enabling their pathologies with drugs, junk food, TV, cash benefits,
    > religion
    > and conservative rhetoric intent on firing them up to hate others.
    >
    > Orlando



    I remember the Florence Crittenden Homes for Unwed Mothers. If you somehow
    became 'in the family way' you were sent away to have the baby and it was
    put up for adoption. There was shame attached to bringing shame to your
    family. Now pregnant teens are expected and a badge of honor. I suffered
    the wrath of certain family members because I wouldn't hold a 'baby shower'
    for one of the pregnant teens in the extended family. I told them I wasn't
    going to reward her for her behavior. Not only will I not throw one, but I
    will not go to a shower for an 'errant teen'.
    -ginny



  15. #15
    Michel Boucher Guest

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    Orlando Enrique Fiol <[email protected]> wrote in
    news:[email protected]:

    > Not at all my position. I don't know why we as a society don't make
    > such people more accountable to themselves, their children and us a
    > society, rather than enabling their pathologies with drugs, junk food,
    > TV, cash benefits, religion and conservative rhetoric intent on firing
    > them up to hate others.


    And what makes you so ****ing pure you can make that demand?

    --

    Capitalism is the astounding belief that the most wickedest
    of men will do the most wickedest of things for the greatest
    good of everyone. - John Maynard Keynes

  16. #16
    blake murphy Guest

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    On Sun, 14 Jun 2009 00:50:18 -0400, Orlando Enrique Fiol wrote:

    > [email protected] wrote:
    >>yep, being poor, addicted and pregnant is a real day at the beach in this
    >>country. i don't know why these people don't clean themselves up and
    >>become republicans.

    >
    > Not at all my position. I don't know why we as a society don't make such people
    > more accountable to themselves, their children and us a society, rather than
    > enabling their pathologies with drugs, junk food, TV, cash benefits, religion
    > and conservative rhetoric intent on firing them up to hate others.
    >
    > Orlando


    i don't think conservative rhetoric is designed to fire up the poor to hate
    others. it's designed to fire up others to hate the poor.

    blake

  17. #17
    sf Guest

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    On Sat, 13 Jun 2009 02:20:06 -0400, "cybercat" <cyberpurrs@yahoo.com>
    wrote:

    >
    >"Orlando Enrique Fiol" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >news:[email protected] ..
    >> [email protected] wrote:
    >>>I do. Would you like a complimentary mp3 version of the album?

    >>
    >> Most definitely!
    >>
    >>>The wealthy know that the poor, even if they were not "kept properly
    >>>drunk, high, sexed up and blissed out on TV and junk food," would
    >>>never pose a threat.

    >>
    >> The poor rarely start revolutions on their now, but are easily co opted.
    >>
    >>>The threat is from middle income working class
    >>>and middle class folks; the middle three quintiles have the resources
    >>>to change the legal structures and cultural norms that permit wealth
    >>>to be so inequitably distributed.

    >>
    >> In that case, the parasitic class is not doing a good job of pacifying the
    >> middle class. This economic downturn is hurting that class the most. The
    >> wealthy are not filing for bankruptcy and losing their formerly overpriced
    >> homes.
    >>

    >You are one of the most thoroughly unpleasant beings I have ever had the
    >misfortune of encountering.
    >

    Everybody has a point of view and his rhetoric is stuck in the past.
    Power to the people!

    --
    I love cooking with wine.
    Sometimes I even put it in the food.

  18. #18
    cybercat Guest

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    "Gregory Morrow" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected] m...
    > blake murphy wrote:
    >
    >> On Fri, 12 Jun 2009 20:22:19 -0600, gloria.p wrote:
    >>
    >>> Orlando Enrique Fiol wrote:
    >>>> [email protected] wrote:
    >>>>> People have rights, no matter how frustrating it is for you.
    >>>>
    >>>> People don't have the right to make me responsible for taking care
    >>>> of them unless they ask me first, which they usually don't. People
    >>>> don't have the right to use my resources without contributing in
    >>>> some way to society.
    >>>
    >>> I believe that's filed under civilization, subheader compassion.
    >>>

    >>
    >> exactly right. america would at least like to pretend that it won't
    >> let people starve, no matter how feckless and stupid they may be.
    >>

    >
    > And we're the first society in history where many, many of the poor are
    > *fat*...ain't America GREAT or WHAT...!!!???
    >
    > ;-P


    Obesity is caused by malnutrition.



  19. #19
    cybercat Guest

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    "Gregory Morrow" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected] m...
    > blake murphy wrote:
    >
    >> On Sun, 14 Jun 2009 00:50:18 -0400, Orlando Enrique Fiol wrote:
    >>
    >>> [email protected] wrote:
    >>>> yep, being poor, addicted and pregnant is a real day at the beach
    >>>> in this country. i don't know why these people don't clean
    >>>> themselves up and become republicans.
    >>>
    >>> Not at all my position. I don't know why we as a society don't make
    >>> such people more accountable to themselves, their children and us a
    >>> society, rather than enabling their pathologies with drugs, junk
    >>> food, TV, cash benefits, religion and conservative rhetoric intent
    >>> on firing them up to hate others.
    >>>
    >>> Orlando

    >>
    >> i don't think conservative rhetoric is designed to fire up the poor
    >> to hate others. it's designed to fire up others to hate the poor.
    >>

    >
    >
    > Poor people are stupid so who *really* gives a ****, blake...???
    >
    >


    Queers are stupid, so who gives a ****, Greggie?



  20. #20
    Gregory Morrow Guest

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    blake murphy wrote:

    > On Fri, 12 Jun 2009 20:22:19 -0600, gloria.p wrote:
    >
    >> Orlando Enrique Fiol wrote:
    >>> [email protected] wrote:
    >>>> People have rights, no matter how frustrating it is for you.
    >>>
    >>> People don't have the right to make me responsible for taking care
    >>> of them unless they ask me first, which they usually don't. People
    >>> don't have the right to use my resources without contributing in
    >>> some way to society.

    >>
    >> I believe that's filed under civilization, subheader compassion.
    >>

    >
    > exactly right. america would at least like to pretend that it won't
    > let people starve, no matter how feckless and stupid they may be.
    >


    And we're the first society in history where many, many of the poor are
    *fat*...ain't America GREAT or WHAT...!!!???

    ;-P


    --
    Best
    Greg




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