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  1. #1
    jmcquown Guest

    Default OT Thunderbird

    I'm not the only one who is irritated with Thunderbird. I tried to update
    the next XX million messages and now it won't show me a single posting from
    rfc.
    What an irritating newsreader!

    Oh, and it tried to take over my email account again, too. I had deleted
    all the email settings; Thunderbird put them right back. Today after
    receiving 117 messages I deleted the email account completely. I retained
    the newsgroup accounts. Now I can't see any rfc postings. The way they're
    screwing around with this software is seriously pissing me off. Someone in
    their QA department should be fired.

    OB Food: Maybe you saw the post, maybe you didn't. It's not letting me
    view a damn thing coming from rfc. I'm going to grill some bratwurst, and
    some yellow squash from the vegetable stand. If it rains (looks like it
    might, again) I'll wind up cooking both indoors. Might make some egg
    noodles to go with it.

    Jill


  2. #2
    Sqwertz Guest

    Default Re: OT Thunderbird

    On Thu, 20 Sep 2012 13:33:51 -0400, jmcquown wrote:

    > I'm not the only one who is irritated with Thunderbird. I tried to update
    > the next XX million messages and now it won't show me a single posting from
    > rfc.
    > What an irritating newsreader!


    You obviously doing something wrong. You probably have your message
    view setting wrong or you somehow marked all messages read. You meed
    to take a deep breath and remove the news server and put it back in
    again. And be careful what you do. Thunderbird is even easier to set
    up than Outhouse.

    > Oh, and it tried to take over my email account again, too. I had deleted
    > all the email settings; Thunderbird put them right back. Today after
    > receiving 117 messages I deleted the email account completely. I retained
    > the newsgroup accounts. Now I can't see any rfc postings. The way they're
    > screwing around with this software is seriously pissing me off.


    What do you mean "take over your email"?!?! The only way it could do
    that is if you told it to import your email settings from outhouse or
    another mailer, or put the settings in yourself.

    > Someone in their QA department should be fired.


    Or better yet, dock his pay.

    -sw

  3. #3
    Todd Guest

    Default Re: OT Thunderbird

    On 09/20/2012 10:33 AM, jmcquown wrote:
    > I'm not the only one who is irritated with Thunderbird. I tried to
    > update the next XX million messages and now it won't show me a single
    > posting from rfc.
    > What an irritating newsreader!
    >
    > Oh, and it tried to take over my email account again, too. I had
    > deleted all the email settings; Thunderbird put them right back. Today
    > after receiving 117 messages I deleted the email account completely. I
    > retained the newsgroup accounts. Now I can't see any rfc postings. The
    > way they're screwing around with this software is seriously pissing me
    > off. Someone in their QA department should be fired.
    >
    > OB Food: Maybe you saw the post, maybe you didn't. It's not letting me
    > view a damn thing coming from rfc. I'm going to grill some bratwurst,
    > and some yellow squash from the vegetable stand. If it rains (looks
    > like it might, again) I'll wind up cooking both indoors. Might make
    > some egg noodles to go with it.
    >
    > Jill



    Hi Jill,

    You tripped across two bugs in Th. The Mozilla foundation
    is working on them.

    Bug 1: there is a memory leak. You can tell when
    this happens as things stop or are very slow to
    respond. When this happens, just exit Th and restart
    it

    Bug 2: when all the posts seems to have disappeared,
    just click on another newsgroup, let it load up, then
    click back on the blank newsgroup. This happens to
    me several times a day. First few times it was scary.
    You get use to it.

    And, remember the words of Mark Twain: if you get
    frustrated, count to 10. If you get really frustrated,
    swear. (Not an admission that I swear!) :-)

    Happy cooking!
    -T

  4. #4
    Gary Guest

    Default Re: OT Thunderbird

    jmcquown wrote:
    >
    > I'm not the only one who is irritated with Thunderbird. I tried to update
    > the next XX million messages and now it won't show me a single posting from
    > rfc.
    > What an irritating newsreader!


    I'll say it again....try Netscape 4.7 for email and newsgroups. It works so
    good. You can find that old version via Google. Download it for free and
    enjoy .

    G.

  5. #5
    jmcquown Guest

    Default Re: OT Thunderbird

    "Todd" wrote in message news:k3fq53$6vm$[email protected]..

    On 09/20/2012 10:33 AM, jmcquown wrote:
    > I'm not the only one who is irritated with Thunderbird. I tried to
    > update the next XX million messages and now it won't show me a single
    > posting from rfc.
    > What an irritating newsreader!
    >
    > Oh, and it tried to take over my email account again, too. I had
    > deleted all the email settings; Thunderbird put them right back. Today
    > after receiving 117 messages I deleted the email account completely. I
    > retained the newsgroup accounts. Now I can't see any rfc postings. The
    > way they're screwing around with this software is seriously pissing me
    > off. Someone in their QA department should be fired.
    >
    > OB Food: Maybe you saw the post, maybe you didn't. It's not letting me
    > view a damn thing coming from rfc. I'm going to grill some bratwurst,
    > and some yellow squash from the vegetable stand. If it rains (looks
    > like it might, again) I'll wind up cooking both indoors. Might make
    > some egg noodles to go with it.
    >
    > Jill



    Hi Jill,

    You tripped across two bugs in Th. The Mozilla foundation
    is working on them.

    Bug 1: there is a memory leak. You can tell when
    this happens as things stop or are very slow to
    respond. When this happens, just exit Th and restart
    it

    Bug 2: when all the posts seems to have disappeared,
    just click on another newsgroup, let it load up, then
    click back on the blank newsgroup. This happens to
    me several times a day. First few times it was scary.
    You get use to it.

    And, remember the words of Mark Twain: if you get
    frustrated, count to 10. If you get really frustrated,
    swear. (Not an admission that I swear!) :-)

    Happy cooking!
    -T
    ************

    Thanks, Todd. I used to get *paid* to find bugs in software. I'm not happy
    to do it for free.

    I've uninstalled, reinstalled, launched and re launched. It's not making
    any difference. Users shouldn't have to get used to programming bugs.

    Jill


  6. #6
    jmcquown Guest

    Default Re: OT Thunderbird

    "Gary" wrote in message news:[email protected]..

    jmcquown wrote:
    >
    > I'm not the only one who is irritated with Thunderbird. I tried to update
    > the next XX million messages and now it won't show me a single posting
    > from
    > rfc.
    > What an irritating newsreader!


    I'll say it again....try Netscape 4.7 for email and newsgroups. It works so
    good. You can find that old version via Google. Download it for free and
    enjoy .

    G.


    Does it work with Windows 7?

    Jill


  7. #7
    George Guest

    Default Re: OT Thunderbird

    On 9/20/2012 1:33 PM, jmcquown wrote:
    > I'm not the only one who is irritated with Thunderbird. I tried to
    > update the next XX million messages and now it won't show me a single
    > posting from rfc.
    > What an irritating newsreader!
    >
    > Oh, and it tried to take over my email account again, too. I had
    > deleted all the email settings; Thunderbird put them right back. Today
    > after receiving 117 messages I deleted the email account completely. I
    > retained the newsgroup accounts. Now I can't see any rfc postings. The
    > way they're screwing around with this software is seriously pissing me
    > off. Someone in their QA department should be fired.


    I have used tbird on dozens of machines and I can't imagine how it is
    taking over your email accounts. Every time I have ever installed it you
    get the first run prompt asking what sort of account you want. In the
    case of newsgroups you feed it the server info and whatever credentials
    are needed and put something in the email address field and thats it.




    >
    > OB Food: Maybe you saw the post, maybe you didn't. It's not letting me
    > view a damn thing coming from rfc. I'm going to grill some bratwurst,
    > and some yellow squash from the vegetable stand. If it rains (looks
    > like it might, again) I'll wind up cooking both indoors. Might make
    > some egg noodles to go with it.
    >
    > Jill



  8. #8
    George Guest

    Default Re: OT Thunderbird

    On 9/20/2012 6:01 PM, jmcquown wrote:
    > "Todd" wrote in message news:k3fq53$6vm$[email protected]..
    >
    > On 09/20/2012 10:33 AM, jmcquown wrote:
    >> I'm not the only one who is irritated with Thunderbird. I tried to
    >> update the next XX million messages and now it won't show me a single
    >> posting from rfc.
    >> What an irritating newsreader!
    >>
    >> Oh, and it tried to take over my email account again, too. I had
    >> deleted all the email settings; Thunderbird put them right back. Today
    >> after receiving 117 messages I deleted the email account completely. I
    >> retained the newsgroup accounts. Now I can't see any rfc postings. The
    >> way they're screwing around with this software is seriously pissing me
    >> off. Someone in their QA department should be fired.
    >>
    >> OB Food: Maybe you saw the post, maybe you didn't. It's not letting me
    >> view a damn thing coming from rfc. I'm going to grill some bratwurst,
    >> and some yellow squash from the vegetable stand. If it rains (looks
    >> like it might, again) I'll wind up cooking both indoors. Might make
    >> some egg noodles to go with it.
    >>
    >> Jill

    >
    >
    > Hi Jill,
    >
    > You tripped across two bugs in Th. The Mozilla foundation
    > is working on them.
    >
    > Bug 1: there is a memory leak. You can tell when
    > this happens as things stop or are very slow to
    > respond. When this happens, just exit Th and restart
    > it
    >
    > Bug 2: when all the posts seems to have disappeared,
    > just click on another newsgroup, let it load up, then
    > click back on the blank newsgroup. This happens to
    > me several times a day. First few times it was scary.
    > You get use to it.
    >
    > And, remember the words of Mark Twain: if you get
    > frustrated, count to 10. If you get really frustrated,
    > swear. (Not an admission that I swear!) :-)
    >
    > Happy cooking!
    > -T
    > ************
    >
    > Thanks, Todd. I used to get *paid* to find bugs in software. I'm not
    > happy to do it for free.
    >
    > I've uninstalled, reinstalled, launched and re launched. It's not
    > making any difference. Users shouldn't have to get used to programming
    > bugs.
    >


    You could ask for a full refund.


    > Jill



  9. #9
    Sqwertz Guest

    Default Re: OT Thunderbird

    On Thu, 20 Sep 2012 18:02:47 -0400, jmcquown wrote:

    > "Gary" wrote in message news:[email protected]..
    >
    > jmcquown wrote:
    >>
    >> I'm not the only one who is irritated with Thunderbird. I tried to update
    >> the next XX million messages and now it won't show me a single posting
    >> from
    >> rfc.
    >> What an irritating newsreader!

    >
    > I'll say it again....try Netscape 4.7 for email and newsgroups. It works so
    > good. You can find that old version via Google. Download it for free and
    > enjoy .
    >
    > G.
    >
    > Does it work with Windows 7?


    It's not recommended that you run software that old that connects to
    the Internet for security reasons.

    -sw

  10. #10
    Krypsis Guest

    Default Re: OT Thunderbird

    On 21/09/2012 8:01 AM, jmcquown wrote:
    > "Todd" wrote in message news:k3fq53$6vm$[email protected]..
    >
    > On 09/20/2012 10:33 AM, jmcquown wrote:
    >> I'm not the only one who is irritated with Thunderbird. I tried to
    >> update the next XX million messages and now it won't show me a single
    >> posting from rfc.
    >> What an irritating newsreader!
    >>
    >> Oh, and it tried to take over my email account again, too. I had
    >> deleted all the email settings; Thunderbird put them right back. Today
    >> after receiving 117 messages I deleted the email account completely. I
    >> retained the newsgroup accounts. Now I can't see any rfc postings. The
    >> way they're screwing around with this software is seriously pissing me
    >> off. Someone in their QA department should be fired.
    >>
    >> OB Food: Maybe you saw the post, maybe you didn't. It's not letting me
    >> view a damn thing coming from rfc. I'm going to grill some bratwurst,
    >> and some yellow squash from the vegetable stand. If it rains (looks
    >> like it might, again) I'll wind up cooking both indoors. Might make
    >> some egg noodles to go with it.
    >>
    >> Jill

    >
    >
    > Hi Jill,
    >
    > You tripped across two bugs in Th. The Mozilla foundation
    > is working on them.
    >
    > Bug 1: there is a memory leak. You can tell when
    > this happens as things stop or are very slow to
    > respond. When this happens, just exit Th and restart
    > it
    >
    > Bug 2: when all the posts seems to have disappeared,
    > just click on another newsgroup, let it load up, then
    > click back on the blank newsgroup. This happens to
    > me several times a day. First few times it was scary.
    > You get use to it.
    >
    > And, remember the words of Mark Twain: if you get
    > frustrated, count to 10. If you get really frustrated,
    > swear. (Not an admission that I swear!) :-)
    >
    > Happy cooking!
    > -T
    > ************
    >
    > Thanks, Todd. I used to get *paid* to find bugs in software. I'm not
    > happy to do it for free.
    >
    > I've uninstalled, reinstalled, launched and re launched. It's not
    > making any difference. Users shouldn't have to get used to programming
    > bugs.
    >
    > Jill


    Why not? Microsoft gives them plenty of opportunities but they call them
    "features"!

    --

    Krypsis

  11. #11
    Krypsis Guest

    Default Re: OT Thunderbird

    On 21/09/2012 8:02 AM, jmcquown wrote:
    > "Gary" wrote in message news:[email protected]..
    >
    > jmcquown wrote:
    >>
    >> I'm not the only one who is irritated with Thunderbird. I tried to
    >> update
    >> the next XX million messages and now it won't show me a single posting
    >> from
    >> rfc.
    >> What an irritating newsreader!

    >
    > I'll say it again....try Netscape 4.7 for email and newsgroups. It
    > works so
    > good. You can find that old version via Google. Download it for free and
    > enjoy .
    >
    > G.
    >
    >
    > Does it work with Windows 7?
    >
    > Jill


    No, you have to regress to Windows 3.1 to use it.

    --

    Krypsis

  12. #12
    zxcvbob Guest

    Default Re: OT Thunderbird

    George wrote:
    >
    > I have used tbird on dozens of machines and I can't imagine how it is
    > taking over your email accounts. Every time I have ever installed it you
    > get the first run prompt asking what sort of account you want. In the
    > case of newsgroups you feed it the server info and whatever credentials
    > are needed and put something in the email address field and thats it.
    >


    When she uninstalls, it probably leaves config files in the documents
    deep in the Users/Admin/ directory. Also probably has it set to make
    Tbird the default mail client and to check when it starts up.

    I'm running an old version on Windows 7(X32) and it works fine. I can't
    find a version I like that runs under Win 7 (X64), otoh I haven't
    actually tried any of the really old versions because they don't claim
    to work on a 64-bit OS. Maybe I can download the source for Tbird 2.0
    or 1.5 (it's an open source project) and build it myself.

    Bob

  13. #13
    Sqwertz Guest

    Default Re: OT Thunderbird

    On Thu, 20 Sep 2012 19:38:38 -0500, zxcvbob wrote:

    > I'm running an old version on Windows 7(X32) and it works fine. I can't
    > find a version I like that runs under Win 7 (X64), otoh I haven't
    > actually tried any of the really old versions because they don't claim
    > to work on a 64-bit OS. Maybe I can download the source for Tbird 2.0
    > or 1.5 (it's an open source project) and build it myself.


    The x86 versions run just fine on x64. I've been using Thunderbird 8,
    9 and 10 since I got Win7 x64. And I've set it up to use a newserver
    and RFC just fine (I mostly just use it for email).

    There are some x64 builds out there.

    http://wiki.mozilla-x86-64.com/Main_Page

    -sw

  14. #14
    Todd Guest

    Default Re: OT Thunderbird

    On 09/20/2012 05:33 PM, Krypsis wrote:
    > On 21/09/2012 8:02 AM, jmcquown wrote:
    >> "Gary" wrote in message news:[email protected]..
    >>
    >> jmcquown wrote:
    >>>
    >>> I'm not the only one who is irritated with Thunderbird. I tried to
    >>> update
    >>> the next XX million messages and now it won't show me a single posting
    >>> from
    >>> rfc.
    >>> What an irritating newsreader!

    >>
    >> I'll say it again....try Netscape 4.7 for email and newsgroups. It
    >> works so
    >> good. You can find that old version via Google. Download it for free and
    >> enjoy .
    >>
    >> G.
    >>
    >>
    >> Does it work with Windows 7?
    >>
    >> Jill

    >
    > No, you have to regress to Windows 3.1 to use it.
    >


    If you want something like Netscape, try Sea Monkey

    http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/

    -T

  15. #15
    Nancy Young Guest

    Default Re: OT Thunderbird

    On 9/20/2012 1:33 PM, jmcquown wrote:

    > I'm not the only one who is irritated with Thunderbird. I tried to
    > update the next XX million messages and now it won't show me a single
    > posting from rfc.
    > What an irritating newsreader!
    >
    > Oh, and it tried to take over my email account again, too.


    I finally figured out to uncheck two options on the email accounts
    on Thunderbird, check for messages on opening(?) and check for new
    messages every xxx minutes. This stopped it from dragging all my
    messages over from Windows Live.

    > I retained the newsgroup accounts. Now I can't see any rfc postings.


    Perhaps we could go over the settings via email, see if we can find
    the differences. For one thing, under View, go to sort and pop up that
    menu. Choose Subject and Ascending and Unthreaded. That might help
    when you get messages.

    nancy

  16. #16
    Gary Guest

    Default Re: OT Thunderbird

    jmcquown wrote:
    >
    > "Gary" wrote in message news:[email protected]..
    >
    > jmcquown wrote:
    > >
    > > I'm not the only one who is irritated with Thunderbird. I tried to update
    > > the next XX million messages and now it won't show me a single posting
    > > from
    > > rfc.
    > > What an irritating newsreader!

    >
    > I'll say it again....try Netscape 4.7 for email and newsgroups. It works so
    > good. You can find that old version via Google. Download it for free and
    > enjoy .
    >
    > G.
    >
    > Does it work with Windows 7?
    >
    > Jill


    That I don't know, Jill. Perhaps someone else could tell you. I just save
    my old computers once I buy new. I have an old newer one...WinNT but I
    still hang on to this old Win98 one for email and newsgroups. "If it ain't
    broke, don't fix it" has always been my motto.

    Regardless, there *IS* a way to fix your not-quoting windows reader. I'm
    sure someone could point you to that. It's no big deal to me though....I've
    learned to find your message at the bottom. I've noticed that you do add a
    "*********" sometimes to separate the old from your response.

    G.

    G.

  17. #17
    dsi1 Guest

    Default Re: OT Thunderbird

    On 9/20/2012 7:33 AM, jmcquown wrote:
    > I'm not the only one who is irritated with Thunderbird. I tried to
    > update the next XX million messages and now it won't show me a single
    > posting from rfc.
    > What an irritating newsreader!
    >
    > Oh, and it tried to take over my email account again, too. I had
    > deleted all the email settings; Thunderbird put them right back. Today
    > after receiving 117 messages I deleted the email account completely. I
    > retained the newsgroup accounts. Now I can't see any rfc postings. The
    > way they're screwing around with this software is seriously pissing me
    > off. Someone in their QA department should be fired.
    >
    > OB Food: Maybe you saw the post, maybe you didn't. It's not letting me
    > view a damn thing coming from rfc. I'm going to grill some bratwurst,
    > and some yellow squash from the vegetable stand. If it rains (looks
    > like it might, again) I'll wind up cooking both indoors. Might make
    > some egg noodles to go with it.
    >
    > Jill


    You're not the only one. The last 3 or so updates seems to have messed
    it up some. Now it's all laggy and baggy and saggy.

    One of the great things about Thunderbird is it's portability. You can
    load it in any computer easily by also loading in your "profiles" file.
    All your archived email and newsgroup postings and account and
    configuration settings are stored in there. The bad thing is that it's
    tough to do a fresh install. In the old versions, I'd just delete or
    rename the profiles folder but that hasn't worked for a few years.

    What the heck, I've enjoyed this program for free for almost 8 years so
    I can't complain. I can't say that I'll being using it for much longer
    either.

  18. #18
    Cheryl Guest

    Default Re: OT Thunderbird

    On 9/20/2012 3:17 PM, Todd wrote:
    > You tripped across two bugs in Th. The Mozilla foundation
    > is working on them.
    >
    > Bug 1: there is a memory leak. You can tell when
    > this happens as things stop or are very slow to
    > respond. When this happens, just exit Th and restart
    > it
    >
    > Bug 2: when all the posts seems to have disappeared,
    > just click on another newsgroup, let it load up, then
    > click back on the blank newsgroup. This happens to
    > me several times a day. First few times it was scary.
    > You get use to it.
    >
    > And, remember the words of Mark Twain: if you get
    > frustrated, count to 10. If you get really frustrated,
    > swear. (Not an admission that I swear!) :-)


    How do you get it to quit marking everything unread that's already been
    read? Whole threads, including the very long ones I don't even want to
    read keep coming back unread. I could have done something but I don't
    think I've deliberately changed anything recently.


  19. #19
    Janet Wilder Guest

    Default Re: OT Thunderbird

    On 9/21/2012 5:52 PM, Cheryl wrote:
    > On 9/20/2012 3:17 PM, Todd wrote:
    >> You tripped across two bugs in Th. The Mozilla foundation
    >> is working on them.
    >>
    >> Bug 1: there is a memory leak. You can tell when
    >> this happens as things stop or are very slow to
    >> respond. When this happens, just exit Th and restart
    >> it
    >>
    >> Bug 2: when all the posts seems to have disappeared,
    >> just click on another newsgroup, let it load up, then
    >> click back on the blank newsgroup. This happens to
    >> me several times a day. First few times it was scary.
    >> You get use to it.
    >>
    >> And, remember the words of Mark Twain: if you get
    >> frustrated, count to 10. If you get really frustrated,
    >> swear. (Not an admission that I swear!) :-)

    >
    > How do you get it to quit marking everything unread that's already been
    > read? Whole threads, including the very long ones I don't even want to
    > read keep coming back unread. I could have done something but I don't
    > think I've deliberately changed anything recently.
    >

    "Threads>unread"

    Honestly, I am using the same TB as everyone else and don't have the
    problems y'all are having. I've been using it for a newsreader since it
    was part of the "Mozilla Suite" pre-Firefox/Thunderbird and don't seem
    to have any problems with it. I have tried other newsreaders and none
    of them suit me as well.

    --
    Janet Wilder
    Way-the-heck-south Texas
    Spelling doesn't count. Cooking does.

  20. #20
    Todd Guest

    Default Re: OT Thunderbird

    On 09/21/2012 03:52 PM, Cheryl wrote:
    > On 9/20/2012 3:17 PM, Todd wrote:
    >> You tripped across two bugs in Th. The Mozilla foundation
    >> is working on them.
    >>
    >> Bug 1: there is a memory leak. You can tell when
    >> this happens as things stop or are very slow to
    >> respond. When this happens, just exit Th and restart
    >> it
    >>
    >> Bug 2: when all the posts seems to have disappeared,
    >> just click on another newsgroup, let it load up, then
    >> click back on the blank newsgroup. This happens to
    >> me several times a day. First few times it was scary.
    >> You get use to it.
    >>
    >> And, remember the words of Mark Twain: if you get
    >> frustrated, count to 10. If you get really frustrated,
    >> swear. (Not an admission that I swear!) :-)

    >
    > How do you get it to quit marking everything unread that's already been
    > read? Whole threads, including the very long ones I don't even want to
    > read keep coming back unread. I could have done something but I don't
    > think I've deliberately changed anything recently.
    >


    You can mark them all as unread. Then new ones should come in as
    unread.

    edit, select, all
    Message, Mark, read

    What version are you running?

    Help, About Thunderbird

    -T


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