Thread: OT: It's Catherine with a C, folks

"Felice" <[email protected]> wrote:

> If she's going to be a topic for a while, can we at least spell her
> name right?
>
> BTW, she's not Princess Catherine, because she is not a princess in
> her own right; she is Her Royal Highness The Duchess of Cambridge.
> Should you run across her in the local Tesco, you may address her as
> Your Royal Highness.
>
> Well, it matters to some of us!
>
> Felice
> the grumpy old Tory
>
> OB Food: For dessert after the smoked salmon breakfast, I served a
> killer English Trifle


Felice,

[Raising hand]

MY MISTAKE!

Sorry!

Katherine and Prince Philip was another blunder of mine.

Best,

Andy

On Apr 30, 2:49*pm, "Felice" <fri...@comcast.net> wrote:
> If she's going to be a topic for a while, can we at least spell her name
> right?
>
> BTW, she's not Princess Catherine, because she is not a princess in her own
> right; she is Her Royal Highness The Duchess of Cambridge. Should you run
> across her in the local Tesco, you may address her as Your Royal Highness..
>
> Well, it matters to some of us!
>
> Felice
> the grumpy old Tory
>
> OB Food: For dessert after the smoked salmon breakfast, I served a killer
> English Trifle

Now, give us a lesson. Was there ever another Duchess of Cambridge,
or has this been 'created' for her? Is it just a title or is there
real land and assets attached?

Just another dumb Colonial here.

Ob food: had a beer for lunch - drunk as a lord.

On Apr 30, 11:49*am, "Felice" <fri...@comcast.net> wrote:
> If she's going to be a topic for a while, can we at least spell her name
> right?
>
> BTW, she's not Princess Catherine, because she is not a princess in her own
> right; she is Her Royal Highness The Duchess of Cambridge. Should you run
> across her in the local Tesco, you may address her as Your Royal Highness..
>
> Well, it matters to some of us!
>
> Felice
> the grumpy old Tory
>
> OB Food: For dessert after the smoked salmon breakfast, I served a killer
> English Trifle

I'll just call her babe!

In article <[email protected]>,
Kalmia <[email protected]> wrote:
>On Apr 30, 2:49?pm, "Felice" <fri...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> If she's going to be a topic for a while, can we at least spell her name
>> right?
>>
>> BTW, she's not Princess Catherine, because she is not a princess in her own
>> right; she is Her Royal Highness The Duchess of Cambridge. Should you run
>> across her in the local Tesco, you may address her as Your Royal Highness.
>>
>> Well, it matters to some of us!
>>
>> Felice
>> the grumpy old Tory
>>
>> OB Food: For dessert after the smoked salmon breakfast, I served a killer
>> English Trifle
>
>Now, give us a lesson. Was there ever another Duchess of Cambridge,
>or has this been 'created' for her? Is it just a title or is there
>real land and assets attached?

The title is William's, she just married into it .

There have been previous Dukes of Cambridge. The title "of Cambridge" was
originally in the Royal Family as "Earl of Cambridge" for a younger son of
Edward III and subsumed back into the Crown when the Cambridge branch
eventually took the throne (or, maybe the title had been forfeit and just
not reused until then).

"Duke of Cambridge" was first used for sons of James II, then Duke of
York, who did not survive infancy.

There has been one previous royal Duchess, but the last previous Duke of
Cambridge was a grandson of George III who died without legitimate male
issue.

No, I don't know this all by heart! Wikipedia can be your friend.

I don't think Wills gets land/additional income with the title. My
understanding is that most of the actual real estate is owned by
either the Queen or the Prince of Wales (from the Duchy of Cornwall).
HM may raise his payments from the Royal Lists because his new Duchess
will no doubt be doing Royal work (the visits, etc.) and once he finishes
his service in Wales, they'll get houses.

obFood: "Duchy Originals" line of organic foods. Amazing how much the
Prince of Wales was regarded as a bit of a crank when he started this
stuff, and it's fairly mainstream now.

Charlotte
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"Charlotte L. Blackmer" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:iphose$cc8$[email protected]..
> In article
> <[email protected]>,
> Kalmia <[email protected]> wrote:
>>On Apr 30, 2:49?pm, "Felice" <fri...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>> If she's going to be a topic for a while, can we at least spell her name
>>> right?
>>>
>>> BTW, she's not Princess Catherine, because she is not a princess in her
>>> own
>>> right; she is Her Royal Highness The Duchess of Cambridge. Should you
>>> run
>>> across her in the local Tesco, you may address her as Your Royal
>>> Highness.
>>>
>>> Well, it matters to some of us!
>>>
>>> Felice
>>> the grumpy old Tory
>>>
>>> OB Food: For dessert after the smoked salmon breakfast, I served a
>>> killer
>>> English Trifle
>>
>>Now, give us a lesson. Was there ever another Duchess of Cambridge,
>>or has this been 'created' for her? Is it just a title or is there
>>real land and assets attached?
>
> The title is William's, she just married into it .
>
> There have been previous Dukes of Cambridge. The title "of Cambridge" was
> originally in the Royal Family as "Earl of Cambridge" for a younger son of
> Edward III and subsumed back into the Crown when the Cambridge branch
> eventually took the throne (or, maybe the title had been forfeit and just
> not reused until then).
>
> "Duke of Cambridge" was first used for sons of James II, then Duke of
> York, who did not survive infancy.
>
> There has been one previous royal Duchess, but the last previous Duke of
> Cambridge was a grandson of George III who died without legitimate male
> issue.
>
> No, I don't know this all by heart! Wikipedia can be your friend.
>
> I don't think Wills gets land/additional income with the title. My
> understanding is that most of the actual real estate is owned by
> either the Queen or the Prince of Wales (from the Duchy of Cornwall).
> HM may raise his payments from the Royal Lists because his new Duchess
> will no doubt be doing Royal work (the visits, etc.) and once he finishes
> his service in Wales, they'll get houses.
>
> obFood: "Duchy Originals" line of organic foods. Amazing how much the
> Prince of Wales was regarded as a bit of a crank when he started this
> stuff, and it's fairly mainstream now.

When/if Charles becomes King, William will become Prince of Wales and she
will become Princess Catherine.
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"Kalmia" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On Apr 30, 2:49 pm, "Felice" <fri...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> If she's going to be a topic for a while, can we at least spell her
>> name right?
>>
>> BTW, she's not Princess Catherine, because she is not a princess in
>> her own right; she is Her Royal Highness The Duchess of Cambridge.
>> Should you run across her in the local Tesco, you may address her as
>> Your Royal Highness.
>>
>> Well, it matters to some of us!
>>
>> Felice
>> the grumpy old Tory
>>
>> OB Food: For dessert after the smoked salmon breakfast, I served a
>> killer English Trifle

> Now, give us a lesson. Was there ever another Duchess of Cambridge,
> or has this been 'created' for her? Is it just a title or is there
> real land and assets attached?
>
> Just another dumb Colonial here.
>
> Ob food: had a beer for lunch - drunk as a lord.

Well, as long as you asked, here's the history of the Cambridge dukedom, not
to mention the Strathearn earldom and the Carrickfergus barony.

http://www.officialroyalwedding2011....rine-Middleton
or, of course,
http://tinyurl.com/6dbq8ll

Felice

"Ophelia" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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<cutting to chase>

> When/if Charles becomes King, William will become Prince of Wales and
> she will become Princess Catherine.

Nope. She will become (The) Princess of Wales. She could only be Princess
Catherine if she were born a princess or if the Queen created her a
princess.

She could also be known as Princess William.

Felice

Charlotte L. Blackmer wrote:
> In article
> <[email protected]>,
> Kalmia <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On Apr 30, 2:49?pm, "Felice" <fri...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>> If she's going to be a topic for a while, can we at least spell
>>> her
>>> name right?
>>>
>>> BTW, she's not Princess Catherine, because she is not a princess
>>> in
>>> her own right; she is Her Royal Highness The Duchess of Cambridge.
>>> Should you run across her in the local Tesco, you may address her
>>> as Your Royal Highness.
>>>
>>> Well, it matters to some of us!
>>>
>>> Felice
>>> the grumpy old Tory
>>>
>>> OB Food: For dessert after the smoked salmon breakfast, I served a
>>> killer English Trifle
>>
>> Now, give us a lesson. Was there ever another Duchess of
>> Cambridge,
>> or has this been 'created' for her? Is it just a title or is there
>> real land and assets attached?
>
> The title is William's, she just married into it .
>
> There have been previous Dukes of Cambridge. The title "of
> Cambridge" was originally in the Royal Family as "Earl of Cambridge"
> for a younger son of Edward III and subsumed back into the Crown
> when
> the Cambridge branch eventually took the throne (or, maybe the title
> had been forfeit and just
> not reused until then).
>
> "Duke of Cambridge" was first used for sons of James II, then Duke
> of
> York, who did not survive infancy.
>
> There has been one previous royal Duchess, but the last previous
> Duke
> of Cambridge was a grandson of George III who died without
> legitimate
> male issue.
>
> No, I don't know this all by heart! Wikipedia can be your friend.
>
> I don't think Wills gets land/additional income with the title. My
> understanding is that most of the actual real estate is owned by
> either the Queen or the Prince of Wales (from the Duchy of
> Cornwall).
> HM may raise his payments from the Royal Lists because his new
> Duchess
> will no doubt be doing Royal work (the visits, etc.) and once he
> finishes
> his service in Wales, they'll get houses.
>
> obFood: "Duchy Originals" line of organic foods. Amazing how much
> the Prince of Wales was regarded as a bit of a crank when he started
> this
> stuff, and it's fairly mainstream now.
>
> Charlotte

Charlotte L. Blackmer wrote:
>
> I don't think Wills gets land/additional income with the title. My
> understanding is that most of the actual real estate is owned by
> either the Queen or the Prince of Wales (from the Duchy of
> Cornwall).
> HM may raise his payments from the Royal Lists because his new
> Duchess
> will no doubt be doing Royal work (the visits, etc.) and once he
> finishes
> his service in Wales, they'll get houses.
>
I haven't checked but I don't feel the holdings of the Duchy of
Cornwall would include Cambridge. They're on opposite sides of
England.

Kalmia wrote:
> On Apr 30, 2:49�pm, "Felice" <fri...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>>If she's going to be a topic for a while, can we at least spell her name
>>right?
>>
>>BTW, she's not Princess Catherine, because she is not a princess in her own
>>right; she is Her Royal Highness The Duchess of Cambridge. Should you run
>>across her in the local Tesco, you may address her as Your Royal Highness.
>>
>>Well, it matters to some of us!
>>
>>Felice
>>the grumpy old Tory
>>
>>OB Food: For dessert after the smoked salmon breakfast, I served a killer
>>English Trifle
>
>
> Now, give us a lesson. Was there ever another Duchess of Cambridge,
> or has this been 'created' for her? Is it just a title or is there

Its got an provenance, how interesting that may be to any one is another
matter.

The Present Queens Grandmother Queen Mary (Wife of George V) was a
daughter of a German Prince named Teck who married a grand daughter of
George III.

During WWI when the British Royal Family officially changed its name
from the Germanic Saxe Coburg Goth, Guelph & etc. to Windsor various
familial relations with Germanic names & styles & titles also changed
theirs. Thus the Prince of Teck became the Earl of Cambridge because of
her Mothers father. The Battenburgs became Mountbattens, Marqueses of
MIlford Haven in the senior line,

The Dukes of Cambridge were originally Queen Mary's Uncle and
Grandfather, respectively Son and Grandson of George III. Whose line
went extinct iirc, not in abeyance, but extinct due to a lack of male heirs.

The last Duke of Cambridge was Prince George a cousin of Queen Victoria.

His title Duke of Cambridge fell into disuse upon his death. It was not
revived until 107 years later, when Queen Elizabeth II awarded the title
to her grandson Prince William, Duke of Cambridge on 29 April 2011, the
day he married Kate Middleton, who in turn became the Duchess of Cambridge.



> real land and assets attached?

No. He gets those as an accident of birth, or death considering the
estate left to him and his brother by his mother, her divorce settlement
was around $30,000,000 iirc. Plus all the jewellery and other expensive
gifts & real property she was given. It all went to her sons.
Including the Cambridge "lovers knot" diamond and pearl Tiara the Queen
Gave Princess Diana as a wedding gift. That thing alone, given its
provenance, would easily fetch $10,000,000. at a well publicized auction.

Princess Margaret's kids had to sell her "Poltimore Tiara" just to pay
the taxes on inheriting it

http://www.christies.com/special_sit...specialist.asp

William & Harry probly had to pay death duties on their mothers estate,
but when William inherits from his father he wont have to, though Harry
will unless by some change he succeeds to the throne.

Which has been the case of 2nd sons doing so for a couple of
generations, both the present Queens father and grand father were 2nd
sons. The spare of the heir and the spare.

>
> Just another dumb Colonial here.
>
> Ob food: had a beer for lunch - drunk as a lord.


Wearing a silken cord? sipping champagne from a ladies slipper?
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JL

"Felice" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:iphsmt$848$[email protected]..
> "Ophelia" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]
>
> <cutting to chase>
>
>> When/if Charles becomes King, William will become Prince of Wales and
>> she will become Princess Catherine.
>
> Nope. She will become (The) Princess of Wales. She could only be Princess
> Catherine if she were born a princess or if the Queen created her a
> princess.
>
> She could also be known as Princess William.

She already has the title, Princess William

Don't you remember Diana? She was Princess of Wales and was known as
Princess Diana. After her divorce she was known as Diana, Princess of
Wales.

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Charlotte L. Blackmer wrote:

> obFood: "Duchy Originals" line of organic foods. Amazing how much the
> Prince of Wales was regarded as a bit of a crank when he started this
> stuff, and it's fairly mainstream now.
>
> Charlotte

Even his father, Philip, has come around to it after being initially,
contemptuously dismissive of his sons interest in organic farming.
--
JL

"Ophelia" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
>
> "Felice" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:iphsmt$848$[email protected]..
>> "Ophelia" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]
>>
>> <cutting to chase>
>>
>>> When/if Charles becomes King, William will become Prince of Wales and
>>> she will become Princess Catherine.
>>
>> Nope. She will become (The) Princess of Wales. She could only be Princess
>> Catherine if she were born a princess or if the Queen created her a
>> princess.
>>
>> She could also be known as Princess William.
>
> She already has the title, Princess William
>
> Don't you remember Diana? She was Princess of Wales and was known as
> Princess Diana. After her divorce she was known as Diana, Princess of
> Wales.

Only as part of her agreement to the divorce. The Queen let her keep the
title. They wanted her gone really bad.

Paul

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> "Ophelia" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>> "Felice" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>>> "Ophelia" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>>>
>>> <cutting to chase>
>>>
>>>> When/if Charles becomes King, William will become Prince of Wales and
>>>> she will become Princess Catherine.
>>>
>>> Nope. She will become (The) Princess of Wales. She could only be
>>> Princess Catherine if she were born a princess or if the Queen created
>>> her a princess.
>>>
>>> She could also be known as Princess William.
>>
>> She already has the title, Princess William
>>
>> Don't you remember Diana? She was Princess of Wales and was known as
>> Princess Diana. After her divorce she was known as Diana, Princess of
>> Wales.
>
> Only as part of her agreement to the divorce. The Queen let her keep the
> title. They wanted her gone really bad.

Maybe so, but my point was, that she was Princess Diana because Charles was
Prince of Wales.

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Dora wrote:
> Charlotte L. Blackmer wrote:
>
>>
>> I don't think Wills gets land/additional income with the title. My
>> understanding is that most of the actual real estate is owned by
>> either the Queen or the Prince of Wales (from the Duchy of Cornwall).
>> HM may raise his payments from the Royal Lists because his new Duchess
>> will no doubt be doing Royal work (the visits, etc.) and once he
>> finishes
>> his service in Wales, they'll get houses.
>>
> I haven't checked but I don't feel the holdings of the Duchy of Cornwall
> would include Cambridge. They're on opposite sides of England.

The Duchy of Cornwall as well as the Queens Duchy of Lancaster own
properties all over Britain.

The Earl Mountbatten is of "Burma" (not Myanmar and then there's Earl
Alexander of Tunis. Both titles given for services during W.W.II.

Had Charles & Camilla not used the Cornwall title, William would probly
have been known by the courtesy title of Duke of Cornwall though it is
fully within the Queens prerogative to grant him armorial standing of
his own, he's already a knight of the Garter iirc, and has subsidiary
titles to go along with the Ducal status (Earl of Strathearn and Baron
Carrickfergus) so that his children, at least any males will have
courtesy titles available to them along with their princely status.

It has been speculated that Harry will be given his Grandfather, Prince
Philips, secondary title Earl of Merioneith upon his marriage to use as
a courtesy title during his Grandfathers life and assume his ducal &
other styles and titles after his Grandfathers death. Quite possibly as
Prince Henry Mountbatten-Windsor, Though his children will not inherit
his princely title unless he succeeds to the throne. Any Children of
Harry's will then have to muddle through life as an ordinary non royal Duke.
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"Ophelia" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> "Felice" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:iphsmt$848$[email protected]..
>> "Ophelia" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]

>>> When/if Charles becomes King, William will become Prince of Wales and
>>> she will become Princess Catherine.
>>
>> Nope. She will become (The) Princess of Wales. She could only be Princess
>> Catherine if she were born a princess or if the Queen created her a
>> princess.
>>
>> She could also be known as Princess William.

> She already has the title, Princess William

She HAS the title, but apparently does not choose to be known by it.

> Don't you remember Diana? She was Princess of Wales and was known as
> Princess Diana. After her divorce she was known as Diana, Princess of
> Wales.

Yes, I do remember Lady Diana, who was incorrectly called Princess Diana
because she was neither born a princess nor created one by the Queen.

I'm not an expert on styles and titles and I hope someone will let me know
if I am wrong!

Felice

In article <[email protected]>,
Ophelia <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>"Felice" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:iphsmt$848$[email protected]..
>> "Ophelia" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]
>>
>> <cutting to chase>
>>
>>> When/if Charles becomes King, William will become Prince of Wales and
>>> she will become Princess Catherine.
>>
>> Nope. She will become (The) Princess of Wales. She could only be Princess
>> Catherine if she were born a princess or if the Queen created her a
>> princess.
>>
>> She could also be known as Princess William.

"of Wales"

>She already has the title, Princess William

Well, that's why Wills got a dukedom, so she wouldn't need to use it. I
remember I got so confused when I was in England for my junior year abroad
and kept hearing about Princess Michael of Kent. "That poor woman!
Whatever were her parents thinking, naming her Michael?!" The penny
finally dropped.

>Don't you remember Diana? She was Princess of Wales and was known as
>Princess Diana.

Not officially/legally. She was HRH The Princess of Wales. What people
outside the court called her, of course, is another matter.

>After her divorce she was known as Diana, Princess of Wales.

Yes, they let her keep the modified title (minus HRH) as part of the
settlement.

Catherine will be "Queen Catherine" (God willing) but not "Princess
Catherine" of anything - at least, not officially, unless (God forbid)
something horrible happens and the sovereign grants her the style. *

* The Queen granted the style to her late aunt-by-marriage, Princess
Alice, Duchess of Gloucester, upon the death of Prince Henry, Duke of
Gloucester. Princess Alice was born Lady Alice (iow, not a princess in
her own right). At Henry's death, their son became Duke and his wife
the Duchess. Princess Alice for some reason did not wish to be known as
the Dowager Duchess of Gloucester and petitioned for the title change.

Charlotte
(ok, the part about the titles here I had in my head. Occasionally some
of the oddball info I keep track of is socially useful.


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On 30/04/2011 6:32 PM, Charlotte L. Blackmer wrote:

> * The Queen granted the style to her late aunt-by-marriage, Princess
> Alice, Duchess of Gloucester, upon the death of Prince Henry, Duke of
> Gloucester. Princess Alice was born Lady Alice (iow, not a princess in
> her own right). At Henry's death, their son became Duke and his wife
> the Duchess. Princess Alice for some reason did not wish to be known as
> the Dowager Duchess of Gloucester and petitioned for the title change.
>
> Charlotte
> (ok, the part about the titles here I had in my head. Occasionally some
> of the oddball info I keep track of is socially useful.
>
>

Okay.... Pet peeve of mine..... game shows like Jeopardy often have
questions <answers> about British monarchs. My view is that if some
king or queen is the first one with that name, they are not X the first.
They are simply X. The 16th Century Queen Elizabeth was simply Queen
Elizabeth, not Queen Elizabeth I or Queen Elizabeth the first.

"Dave Smith" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:rc0vp.12044$[email protected] om...
> On 30/04/2011 6:32 PM, Charlotte L. Blackmer wrote:
>
>> * The Queen granted the style to her late aunt-by-marriage, Princess
>> Alice, Duchess of Gloucester, upon the death of Prince Henry, Duke of
>> Gloucester. Princess Alice was born Lady Alice (iow, not a princess in
>> her own right). At Henry's death, their son became Duke and his wife
>> the Duchess. Princess Alice for some reason did not wish to be known as
>> the Dowager Duchess of Gloucester and petitioned for the title change.
>>
>> Charlotte
>> (ok, the part about the titles here I had in my head. Occasionally some
>> of the oddball info I keep track of is socially useful.
>>
>>
>
> Okay.... Pet peeve of mine..... game shows like Jeopardy often have
> questions <answers> about British monarchs. My view is that if some king
> or queen is the first one with that name, they are not X the first. They
> are simply X. The 16th Century Queen Elizabeth was simply Queen
> Elizabeth, not Queen Elizabeth I or Queen Elizabeth the first.
>
She only became that when the current Liz became Queen.
Graham