Thread: OT: Deepwater Horizon could get many, many times worse

Steve Pope wrote:
>
> Apparently while this well is leaking, it has not failed
> entirely and if it does the scale of the leak becomes
> truly enormous.
>
> The well is "tapping second largest oilfield in the world",
> and in "the event of total wellhead failure before relief wells
> are completed in August... considering the size of the deposit,
> if BP loses control of the flow completely, the scope of the
> disaster would be unfathomable."
>
> http://www.examiner.com/x-33986-Poli...t-in-the-world
>


And all that's probably only the tip of the scope of problems to come
(SIGH) ( An upcoming to the Gulf for a family even will be treasured
since it'll be in a part that hasn't been soiled & spoiled yet :< Wanna
bet the prices of seafood rise ??

Sky

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Sky <[email protected]> wrote:

>Steve Pope wrote:

>> Apparently while this well is leaking, it has not failed
>> entirely and if it does the scale of the leak becomes
>> truly enormous.

>> The well is "tapping second largest oilfield in the world",
>> and in "the event of total wellhead failure before relief wells
>> are completed in August... considering the size of the deposit,
>> if BP loses control of the flow completely, the scope of the
>> disaster would be unfathomable."

>And all that's probably only the tip of the scope of problems to come
>(SIGH) ( An upcoming to the Gulf for a family even will be treasured
>since it'll be in a part that hasn't been soiled & spoiled yet :< Wanna
>bet the prices of seafood rise ??

I visualize the entire Gulf, and a large section of the Atlantic
ocean becoming dead zones. There are already dead zones in oceans
around the world from lesser environmental insults than this one.

Offshore drilling, like nuclear weaponry or GMO foods, is
one of the many technologies mankind would have been far
better off never developing.

This time we are, literally, hosed.


Steve

"Steve Pope" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:htvl33$ura$[email protected]..
> Apparently while this well is leaking, it has not failed
> entirely and if it does the scale of the leak becomes
> truly enormous.
>
> The well is "tapping second largest oilfield in the world",
> and in "the event of total wellhead failure before relief wells
> are completed in August... considering the size of the deposit,
> if BP loses control of the flow completely, the scope of the
> disaster would be unfathomable."

How can this be? I thought the world was out of oil, and that we had to all
go to solar power, and fart power, and all those expensive carbon credit
thingies AlGore was selling. You mean there's oil out there, and there's
some problem with letting the American people have it? You don't think
.............

Steve

On Mon, 31 May 2010 08:39:50 -0700, "Steve B"
<[email protected]> wrote:

>
> "Steve Pope" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:htvl33$ura$[email protected]..
> > Apparently while this well is leaking, it has not failed
> > entirely and if it does the scale of the leak becomes
> > truly enormous.
> >
> > The well is "tapping second largest oilfield in the world",
> > and in "the event of total wellhead failure before relief wells
> > are completed in August... considering the size of the deposit,
> > if BP loses control of the flow completely, the scope of the
> > disaster would be unfathomable."
>
> How can this be? I thought the world was out of oil, and that we had to all
> go to solar power, and fart power, and all those expensive carbon credit
> thingies AlGore was selling. You mean there's oil out there, and there's
> some problem with letting the American people have it? You don't think
> ............
>
Apparently there's a problem getting to it. In any case, oil is
finite. Get off it now or get off it later, but we have to get off
it. Sounds like an oil addiction to me.

--
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sf <[email protected]> wrote:

>On Mon, 31 May 2010 08:39:50 -0700, "Steve B"

>> "Steve Pope" <[email protected]> wrote in message

>> > The well is "tapping second largest oilfield in the world",
>> > and in "the event of total wellhead failure before relief wells
>> > are completed in August... considering the size of the deposit,
>> > if BP loses control of the flow completely, the scope of the
>> > disaster would be unfathomable."

>> How can this be? I thought the world was out of oil, and that we had to all
>> go to solar power, and fart power, and all those expensive carbon credit
>> thingies AlGore was selling. You mean there's oil out there, and there's
>> some problem with letting the American people have it? You don't think

Good one.

>Apparently there's a problem getting to it. In any case, oil is
>finite. Get off it now or get off it later, but we have to get off
>it. Sounds like an oil addiction to me.

There 300 years or so of oil left. The field the Horizon was
drilling might have added 10 years to that. Oh well.

Steve

On Mon, 31 May 2010 16:42:15 +0000 (UTC), [email protected]
(Steve Pope) wrote:

> There 300 years or so of oil left. The field the Horizon was
> drilling might have added 10 years to that. Oh well.

Where did you get 300 from? I thought it was less than that at the
rate we're using it.

--
Forget the health food. I need all the preservatives I can get.

"Steve Pope" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:htvl33$ura$[email protected]..
> Apparently while this well is leaking, it has not failed
> entirely and if it does the scale of the leak becomes
> truly enormous.
>
> The well is "tapping second largest oilfield in the world",
> and in "the event of total wellhead failure before relief wells
> are completed in August... considering the size of the deposit,
> if BP loses control of the flow completely, the scope of the
> disaster would be unfathomable."
>
> http://www.examiner.com/x-33986-Poli...t-in-the-world

Extremely dubious article from a rather poor source. Not to diminish the
catastrophe but the BP well is not at all that large. Brazil has found
deposits many times larger. This article seems more alarmist than accurate.
Still, even if it was one of the world's smaller wells, that's all it will
take to destroy the entire Gulf of Mexico.

Paul

>
> S.

Steve Pope wrote:
> Apparently while this well is leaking, it has not failed
> entirely and if it does the scale of the leak becomes
> truly enormous.
>
> The well is "tapping second largest oilfield in the world",
> and in "the event of total wellhead failure before relief wells
> are completed in August... considering the size of the deposit,
> if BP loses control of the flow completely, the scope of the
> disaster would be unfathomable."
>
> http://www.examiner.com/x-33986-Poli...t-in-the-world
>
> S.
The ocean produces roughly 75% of the oxygen we breath, interrupt the
light flow entering

the ocean with a big enough oil slick to block the light and prevent
photosynthesis and .....

Or for that patter poison the flora and fauna the produce this
oxygen...i have often thought we would probly destroy ourselves
accidentally, go out with a whimper rather than a bang.

Where are the fleet of tankers siphoning it all up as it comes out!
Where is the massive intervention by the govt. with all its available
resources, this should have been taken away from BP after their first
failure to fix the problem.
--

Mr. Joseph Paul Littleshoes Esq.

Domine, dirige nos.

Let the games begin!
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Mr. Joseph Littleshoes Esq. <[email protected]> wrote:

>Where are the fleet of tankers siphoning it all up as it comes out!
>Where is the massive intervention by the govt. with all its available
>resources, this should have been taken away from BP after their first
>failure to fix the problem.

Totally. Total failure by our government.

As Winston Churchill said... you can always count on the Americans
to do the right thing... after they have exhausted all the
alternatives.


Steve

"Mr. Joseph Littleshoes Esq." <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]..
>
>
> Steve Pope wrote:
>> Apparently while this well is leaking, it has not failed
>> entirely and if it does the scale of the leak becomes
>> truly enormous.
>>
>> The well is "tapping second largest oilfield in the world",
>> and in "the event of total wellhead failure before relief wells are
>> completed in August... considering the size of the deposit, if BP loses
>> control of the flow completely, the scope of the disaster would be
>> unfathomable."
>>
>> http://www.examiner.com/x-33986-Poli...t-in-the-world
>>
>> S.
> The ocean produces roughly 75% of the oxygen we breath, interrupt the
> light flow entering
>
> the ocean with a big enough oil slick to block the light and prevent
> photosynthesis and .....
>
> Or for that patter poison the flora and fauna the produce this oxygen...i
> have often thought we would probly destroy ourselves accidentally, go out
> with a whimper rather than a bang.
>
> Where are the fleet of tankers siphoning it all up as it comes out! Where
> is the massive intervention by the govt. with all its available resources,
> this should have been taken away from BP after their first failure to fix
> the problem.

While I agree much, much more should be done the feds really have nothing to
bring to this disaster. The Saudis have a small fleet of supertankers thank
can siphon huge amounts of oil from the water. They should be leased
immediately. No sign of that happening though. Probably BP doesn't want
the bad PR of having Arabs do more to help than they can.

The hurricane season is going to be a bitch. West African water
temperatures are very high which means we can expect a lot of intense
hurricanes. Any hurricane in the Gulf will suck up huge amounts of surface
oil and spread it across land 100 mile inwards. Florida is toast, its reefs
will be obliterated. Cuba and its entire fishing economy could be wiped
out.

This is anything but over and the final devastation will be anyone's guess
as to severity. One thing for sure is it will be worse than can be
imagined.

Paul

On Tue, 1 Jun 2010 00:34:35 -0700, "Paul M. Cook" <[email protected]>
wrote:

>
>"Mr. Joseph Littleshoes Esq." <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]..
>>
>>
>> Steve Pope wrote:
>>> Apparently while this well is leaking, it has not failed
>>> entirely and if it does the scale of the leak becomes
>>> truly enormous.
>>>
>>> The well is "tapping second largest oilfield in the world",
>>> and in "the event of total wellhead failure before relief wells are
>>> completed in August... considering the size of the deposit, if BP loses
>>> control of the flow completely, the scope of the disaster would be
>>> unfathomable."
>>>
>>> http://www.examiner.com/x-33986-Poli...t-in-the-world
>>>
>>> S.
>> The ocean produces roughly 75% of the oxygen we breath, interrupt the
>> light flow entering
>>
>> the ocean with a big enough oil slick to block the light and prevent
>> photosynthesis and .....
>>
>> Or for that patter poison the flora and fauna the produce this oxygen...i
>> have often thought we would probly destroy ourselves accidentally, go out
>> with a whimper rather than a bang.
>>
>> Where are the fleet of tankers siphoning it all up as it comes out! Where
>> is the massive intervention by the govt. with all its available resources,
>> this should have been taken away from BP after their first failure to fix
>> the problem.
>
>While I agree much, much more should be done the feds really have nothing to
>bring to this disaster. The Saudis have a small fleet of supertankers thank
>can siphon huge amounts of oil from the water. They should be leased
>immediately. No sign of that happening though. Probably BP doesn't want
>the bad PR of having Arabs do more to help than they can.
>
>The hurricane season is going to be a bitch. West African water
>temperatures are very high which means we can expect a lot of intense
>hurricanes. Any hurricane in the Gulf will suck up huge amounts of surface
>oil and spread it across land 100 mile inwards. Florida is toast, its reefs
>will be obliterated. Cuba and its entire fishing economy could be wiped
>out.
>
>This is anything but over and the final devastation will be anyone's guess
>as to severity. One thing for sure is it will be worse than can be
>imagined.
>
>Paul
>

If anyones interested I have a PDF onsite with the pictures of the Oil
Rig fire at http://foodforu.ca/horizonfire/Horizon.pdf
It looks by the pictures( the last two) that it started to list, and
in the last one the rig seems to be gone, did it sink?

> >"Mr. Joseph Littleshoes Esq." <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >news:[email protected]..

> >> Where are the fleet of tankers siphoning it all up as it comes out!

http://www.bp.com/genericarticle.do?...tentId=7062283

" Surface Spill Response and Containment
Work continues to collect and disperse oil that has reached the surface
of the sea. Over 1,100 vessels are involved in the response effort,
including skimmers, tugs, barges and recovery vessels.
Intensive operations to skim oil from the surface of the water have now
recovered, in total, some 243,000 barrels (10.2 million gallons) of oily
liquid."

Janet.

On Mon, 31 May 2010 15:30:31 -0700, Mr. Joseph Littleshoes Esq. wrote:
>
> Where are the fleet of tankers siphoning it all up as it comes out!
> Where is the massive intervention by the govt. with all its available
> resources, this should have been taken away from BP after their first
> failure to fix the problem.

see, the thing is the goverment's resources don't include oil drilling
equipment. why would it?

the government *is* to blame for allowing bp to drill this hole without
some of the safety equipment required by most other countries who lease
offshore oil fields.

they could maybe kick bp out of there and put exxon or one of the other big
boys in there to handle the recovery effort (given bp's apparent lying
about the scope of the thing from the outset), but the feds don't have
equipment themselves.

your pal,
blake

The message <[email protected]>
from Stu <[email protected]> contains these words:

> If anyones interested I have a PDF onsite with the pictures of the Oil
> Rig fire at http://foodforu.ca/horizonfire/Horizon.pdf
> It looks by the pictures( the last two) that it started to list, and
> in the last one the rig seems to be gone, did it sink?

You don't follow the news much, do you?

Janet

"Stu" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]..
> On Tue, 1 Jun 2010 00:34:35 -0700, "Paul M. Cook" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Mr. Joseph Littleshoes Esq." <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:[email protected]..
>>>
>>>
>>> Steve Pope wrote:
>>>> Apparently while this well is leaking, it has not failed
>>>> entirely and if it does the scale of the leak becomes
>>>> truly enormous.
>>>>
>>>> The well is "tapping second largest oilfield in the world",
>>>> and in "the event of total wellhead failure before relief wells are
>>>> completed in August... considering the size of the deposit, if BP loses
>>>> control of the flow completely, the scope of the disaster would be
>>>> unfathomable."
>>>>
>>>> http://www.examiner.com/x-33986-Poli...t-in-the-world
>>>>
>>>> S.
>>> The ocean produces roughly 75% of the oxygen we breath, interrupt the
>>> light flow entering
>>>
>>> the ocean with a big enough oil slick to block the light and prevent
>>> photosynthesis and .....
>>>
>>> Or for that patter poison the flora and fauna the produce this
>>> oxygen...i
>>> have often thought we would probly destroy ourselves accidentally, go
>>> out
>>> with a whimper rather than a bang.
>>>
>>> Where are the fleet of tankers siphoning it all up as it comes out!
>>> Where
>>> is the massive intervention by the govt. with all its available
>>> resources,
>>> this should have been taken away from BP after their first failure to
>>> fix
>>> the problem.
>>
>>While I agree much, much more should be done the feds really have nothing
>>to
>>bring to this disaster. The Saudis have a small fleet of supertankers
>>thank
>>can siphon huge amounts of oil from the water. They should be leased
>>immediately. No sign of that happening though. Probably BP doesn't want
>>the bad PR of having Arabs do more to help than they can.
>>
>>The hurricane season is going to be a bitch. West African water
>>temperatures are very high which means we can expect a lot of intense
>>hurricanes. Any hurricane in the Gulf will suck up huge amounts of
>>surface
>>oil and spread it across land 100 mile inwards. Florida is toast, its
>>reefs
>>will be obliterated. Cuba and its entire fishing economy could be wiped
>>out.
>>
>>This is anything but over and the final devastation will be anyone's guess
>>as to severity. One thing for sure is it will be worse than can be
>>imagined.
>>
>>Paul
>>
>
> If anyones interested I have a PDF onsite with the pictures of the Oil
> Rig fire at http://foodforu.ca/horizonfire/Horizon.pdf
> It looks by the pictures( the last two) that it started to list, and
> in the last one the rig seems to be gone, did it sink?

On April 23rd.

Paul

On Tue, 1 Jun 2010 19:14:06 +0100, Janet Baraclough
<[email protected]> wrote:

>The message <[email protected]>
>from Stu <[email protected]> contains these words:
>
>> If anyones interested I have a PDF onsite with the pictures of the Oil
>> Rig fire at http://foodforu.ca/horizonfire/Horizon.pdf
>> It looks by the pictures( the last two) that it started to list, and
>> in the last one the rig seems to be gone, did it sink?
>
> You don't follow the news much, do you?
>
> Janet

No, watch morning news and thats it... I'm retired, too busy.

The message <[email protected]>
from Stu <[email protected]> contains these words:

> On Tue, 1 Jun 2010 19:14:06 +0100, Janet Baraclough
> <[email protected]> wrote:

> >The message <[email protected]>
> >from Stu <[email protected]> contains these words:
> >
> >> If anyones interested I have a PDF onsite with the pictures of the Oil
> >> Rig fire at http://foodforu.ca/horizonfire/Horizon.pdf
> >> It looks by the pictures( the last two) that it started to list, and
> >> in the last one the rig seems to be gone, did it sink?
> >
> > You don't follow the news much, do you?
> >
> > Janet

> No, watch morning news and thats it... I'm retired, too busy.

You've watched the morning news for six weeks and still don't know what
happened to the rig?

Janet

On Tue, 1 Jun 2010 23:51:49 +0100, Janet Baraclough
<[email protected]> wrote:

> You've watched the morning news for six weeks and still don't know what
> happened to the rig?

I haven't noticed them recapping it with a timeline every day. Maybe
it's different on the other side of the pond.

--
Forget the health food. I need all the preservatives I can get.

On Tue, 1 Jun 2010 23:51:49 +0100, Janet Baraclough
<[email protected]> wrote:

>The message <[email protected]>
>from Stu <[email protected]> contains these words:
>
>> On Tue, 1 Jun 2010 19:14:06 +0100, Janet Baraclough
>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> >The message <[email protected]>
>> >from Stu <[email protected]> contains these words:
>> >
>> >> If anyones interested I have a PDF onsite with the pictures of the Oil
>> >> Rig fire at http://foodforu.ca/horizonfire/Horizon.pdf
>> >> It looks by the pictures( the last two) that it started to list, and
>> >> in the last one the rig seems to be gone, did it sink?
>> >
>> > You don't follow the news much, do you?
>> >
>> > Janet
>
>> No, watch morning news and thats it... I'm retired, too busy.
>
>You've watched the morning news for six weeks and still don't know what
>happened to the rig?
>
> Janet

That is correct, guess it wasn't important to me, the damage being
done to the coast is.