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  1. #1
    somebody Guest

    Default OT for cooking, but OT for newsgroups/usenet

    You ever notice OT could mean "off topic" or "on topic"?

    Anyway, my question is relevant to what the old-timers call "usenet".
    My isp stopped carrying newsgroups few years ago and I had to switch
    to Google Groups. Not a fan, but it's the only thing I can use unless
    I pay money and since I'm kinda poor headed towards even poorer I'd
    rather not pay as long as free is available.

    Do people here use newsgroup readers? Are there any free newsgroup
    servers left? All I've ever found is ones I have to pay for. I'm
    sure they are better than Google Groups and actually have features
    like a "killfile" etc but GG is good enough. Just wondered if I was
    missing something and there are any free news group servers. Used to
    use Forte' agent but that was many posts ago.

  2. #2
    George Guest

    Default Re: OT for cooking, but OT for newsgroups/usenet

    On 6/16/2012 9:40 PM, somebody wrote:
    > You ever notice OT could mean "off topic" or "on topic"?
    >
    > Anyway, my question is relevant to what the old-timers call "usenet".
    > My isp stopped carrying newsgroups few years ago and I had to switch
    > to Google Groups. Not a fan, but it's the only thing I can use unless
    > I pay money and since I'm kinda poor headed towards even poorer I'd
    > rather not pay as long as free is available.
    >
    > Do people here use newsgroup readers? Are there any free newsgroup
    > servers left? All I've ever found is ones I have to pay for. I'm
    > sure they are better than Google Groups and actually have features
    > like a "killfile" etc but GG is good enough. Just wondered if I was
    > missing something and there are any free news group servers. Used to
    > use Forte' agent but that was many posts ago.


    Sounds like you missed the numerous discussions that came up when ISPs
    turned off servers to "save the children". I started using this one when
    comcast turned off Usenet access:

    http://www.eternal-september.org/

  3. #3
    MotoFox Guest

    Default Re: OT for cooking, but OT for newsgroups/usenet

    And it came to pass that George delivered the following message unto the
    people, saying~

    > Sounds like you missed the numerous discussions that came up when ISPs
    > turned off servers to "save the children". I started using this one when
    > comcast turned off Usenet access:
    >
    > http://www.eternal-september.org/


    http://albasani.net/index.html.en is decent, too.

    Newsreader:
    http://pan.rebelbase.com/download/re...pell1.i386.rpm
    http://pan.rebelbase.com/download/re....0.4-1.src.rpm
    (you need gnet to run Pan)

    If you need a package that runs on Debian, you can convert these RPMs to
    ..deb format with Alien. Yes, there is a Window$ version, but surely you're
    not actually using Window$ to access the network, now are you? ;o)

    Of course, most times you can also log in directly to the news server
    through xterm and telnet (for example--
    $ telnet reader.albasani.net 119 <enter>
    auth user readonly <enter>
    auth pass readonly <enter>) which is how a really hard-core Usenetter
    would do it.

    Whatever you do, get away from Groups as quickly as you can. Run far, run
    fast!

    --
    2D 2D 0D 0A 4D 6F 74 6F 46 6F 78 0D 0A 44 45 41
    54 48 20 54 4F 20 45 42 43 44 49 43 21 21 16 04

  4. #4
    S Viemeister Guest

    Default Re: OT for cooking, but OT for newsgroups/usenet

    On 6/16/2012 9:40 PM, somebody wrote:
    > You ever notice OT could mean "off topic" or "on topic"?
    >
    > Anyway, my question is relevant to what the old-timers call "usenet".
    > My isp stopped carrying newsgroups few years ago and I had to switch
    > to Google Groups. Not a fan, but it's the only thing I can use unless
    > I pay money and since I'm kinda poor headed towards even poorer I'd
    > rather not pay as long as free is available.
    >
    > Do people here use newsgroup readers? Are there any free newsgroup
    > servers left? All I've ever found is ones I have to pay for. I'm
    > sure they are better than Google Groups and actually have features
    > like a "killfile" etc but GG is good enough. Just wondered if I was
    > missing something and there are any free news group servers. Used to
    > use Forte' agent but that was many posts ago.


    The one I use - news.individual.net - is close to free. It's only 10
    Euros (about $12.50) per _year_. They're very good at filtering out cr*p.
    I use Thunderbird (free) to read - the filters are very easy to set up.

  5. #5
    somebody Guest

    Default Re: OT for cooking, but OT for newsgroups/usenet

    On Jun 16, 9:48*pm, George <geo...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
    > On 6/16/2012 9:40 PM, somebody wrote:
    >
    > > You ever notice OT could mean "off topic" or "on topic"?

    >
    > > Anyway, my question is relevant to what the old-timers call "usenet".
    > > My isp stopped carrying newsgroups few years ago and I had to switch
    > > to Google Groups. *Not a fan, but it's the only thing I can use unless
    > > I pay money and since I'm kinda poor headed towards even poorer I'd
    > > rather not pay as long as free is available.

    >
    > > Do people here use newsgroup readers? *Are there any free newsgroup
    > > servers left? *All I've ever found is ones I have to pay for. *I'm
    > > sure they are better than Google Groups and actually have features
    > > like a "killfile" etc but GG is good enough. *Just wondered if I was
    > > missing something and there are any free news group servers. *Used to
    > > use Forte' agent but that was many posts ago.

    >
    > Sounds like you missed the numerous discussions that came up when ISPs
    > turned off servers to "save the children". I started using this one when
    > comcast turned off Usenet access:
    >
    > http://www.eternal-september.org/



    By George, I think it's working! I see newsgroup names
    downloading... And now Vista Mail is loading messages. Hey, this is
    great. Much better than Google Groups!

    Thank you very much!!!


  6. #6
    somebody Guest

    Default Re: OT for cooking, but OT for newsgroups/usenet

    On Jun 16, 10:09*pm, MotoFox <u...@footron.bitnet> wrote:
    > And it came to pass that George delivered the following message unto the
    > people, saying~
    >
    > > Sounds like you missed the numerous discussions that came up when ISPs
    > > turned off servers to "save the children". I started using this one when
    > > comcast turned off Usenet access:

    >
    > >http://www.eternal-september.org/

    >
    > http://albasani.net/index.html.enis decent, too.
    >
    > Newsreader:http://pan.rebelbase.com/download/re...T_9/gnet/REDHA...
    > (you need gnet to run Pan)
    >
    > If you need a package that runs on Debian, you can convert these RPMs to
    > .deb format with Alien. Yes, there is a Window$ version, but surely you're
    > not actually using Window$ to access the network, now are you? ;o)
    >
    > Of course, most times you can also log in directly to the news server
    > through xterm and telnet (for example--
    > $ telnet reader.albasani.net 119 <enter>
    > auth user readonly <enter>
    > auth pass readonly <enter>) which is how a really hard-core Usenetter
    > would do it.
    >
    > Whatever you do, get away from Groups as quickly as you can. Run far, run
    > fast!


    Thanks. I actually have a LCP but it was like 10 years ago. And
    well, you don't want to know... but at least I'm off Google Groups!

    [Thank you benevolent Overlords for Google Groups, but I no longer
    need them.]

  7. #7
    Somebody Guest

    Default Re: OT for cooking, but OT for newsgroups/usenet

    "George" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:jrjcvn$6vv$[email protected]..
    > On 6/16/2012 9:40 PM, somebody wrote:
    >> You ever notice OT could mean "off topic" or "on topic"?
    >>
    >> Anyway, my question is relevant to what the old-timers call "usenet".
    >> My isp stopped carrying newsgroups few years ago and I had to switch
    >> to Google Groups. Not a fan, but it's the only thing I can use unless
    >> I pay money and since I'm kinda poor headed towards even poorer I'd
    >> rather not pay as long as free is available.
    >>
    >> Do people here use newsgroup readers? Are there any free newsgroup
    >> servers left? All I've ever found is ones I have to pay for. I'm
    >> sure they are better than Google Groups and actually have features
    >> like a "killfile" etc but GG is good enough. Just wondered if I was
    >> missing something and there are any free news group servers. Used to
    >> use Forte' agent but that was many posts ago.

    >
    > Sounds like you missed the numerous discussions that came up when ISPs
    > turned off servers to "save the children". I started using this one when
    > comcast turned off Usenet access:
    >
    > http://www.eternal-september.org/




    I see messages in a hierarchy under a topic! Like I used years ago. Now, I
    can tell who is responding to who. Unlike Google Groups where I had to wade
    through old messages to see if there were new messages, and it wasn't
    obvious who was responding to who... And I can kill file spam. And glance
    through a thread and see where it started and ends. This is great!

    Thank you!



  8. #8
    gregz Guest

    Default Re: OT for cooking, but OT for newsgroups/usenet

    George <[email protected]> wrote:
    > On 6/16/2012 9:40 PM, somebody wrote:
    >> You ever notice OT could mean "off topic" or "on topic"?
    >>
    >> Anyway, my question is relevant to what the old-timers call "usenet".
    >> My isp stopped carrying newsgroups few years ago and I had to switch
    >> to Google Groups. Not a fan, but it's the only thing I can use unless
    >> I pay money and since I'm kinda poor headed towards even poorer I'd
    >> rather not pay as long as free is available.
    >>
    >> Do people here use newsgroup readers? Are there any free newsgroup
    >> servers left? All I've ever found is ones I have to pay for. I'm
    >> sure they are better than Google Groups and actually have features
    >> like a "killfile" etc but GG is good enough. Just wondered if I was
    >> missing something and there are any free news group servers. Used to
    >> use Forte' agent but that was many posts ago.

    >
    > Sounds like you missed the numerous discussions that came up when ISPs
    > turned off servers to "save the children". I started using this one when
    > comcast turned off Usenet access:
    >
    > http://www.eternal-september.org/


    So am I. I used free service through a university for many years. It was
    only 1 1/2 years ago they terminated usenet service. The students were not
    interested in it. I saw that happen 10 years ago.

    Greg

  9. #9
    Julie Bove Guest

    Default Re: OT for cooking, but OT for newsgroups/usenet


    "George" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:jrjcvn$6vv$[email protected]..
    > On 6/16/2012 9:40 PM, somebody wrote:
    >> You ever notice OT could mean "off topic" or "on topic"?
    >>
    >> Anyway, my question is relevant to what the old-timers call "usenet".
    >> My isp stopped carrying newsgroups few years ago and I had to switch
    >> to Google Groups. Not a fan, but it's the only thing I can use unless
    >> I pay money and since I'm kinda poor headed towards even poorer I'd
    >> rather not pay as long as free is available.
    >>
    >> Do people here use newsgroup readers? Are there any free newsgroup
    >> servers left? All I've ever found is ones I have to pay for. I'm
    >> sure they are better than Google Groups and actually have features
    >> like a "killfile" etc but GG is good enough. Just wondered if I was
    >> missing something and there are any free news group servers. Used to
    >> use Forte' agent but that was many posts ago.

    >
    > Sounds like you missed the numerous discussions that came up when ISPs
    > turned off servers to "save the children". I started using this one when
    > comcast turned off Usenet access:
    >
    > http://www.eternal-september.org/


    Yep.



  10. #10
    Gary Guest

    Default Re: OT for cooking, but OT for newsgroups/usenet

    Somebody wrote:
    >
    > "George" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > >
    > > http://www.eternal-september.org/

    >
    > I see messages in a hierarchy under a topic! Like I used years ago. Now, I
    > can tell who is responding to who. Unlike Google Groups where I had to wade
    > through old messages to see if there were new messages, and it wasn't
    > obvious who was responding to who... And I can kill file spam. And glance
    > through a thread and see where it started and ends. This is great!
    >
    > Thank you!


    Nice to have it back, isn't it?
    George hooked you up with that one.
    If you ever need a backup this is free too:
    http://www.aioe.org

    Gary

  11. #11
    Brooklyn1 Guest

    Default Re: OT for cooking, but OT for newsgroups/usenet

    gregz wrote:
    >
    >I used free service through a university for many years.


    It wasn't free, you're a thief, you stole it. Not only did you steal
    the service but you spent all day perusing the net instead of
    working... I bet you know every raunchy porn site out there.


  12. #12
    sf Guest

    Default Re: OT for cooking, but OT for newsgroups/usenet

    On Sat, 16 Jun 2012 19:14:56 -0700 (PDT), somebody
    <[email protected]> wrote:

    > By George, I think it's working! I see newsgroup names
    > downloading... And now Vista Mail is loading messages. Hey, this is
    > great. Much better than Google Groups!
    >
    > Thank you very much!!!


    Heh! Almost *anything* is better than GG. If you want binaries, like
    garden groups with individual images, and don't mind paying a couple
    of bucks for newsgroup access (monthly or a block account), you will
    have even more choices.

    --
    Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

  13. #13
    Somebody Guest

    Default Re: OT for cooking, but OT for newsgroups/usenet

    "sf" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]..
    > On Sat, 16 Jun 2012 19:14:56 -0700 (PDT), somebody
    > <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >> By George, I think it's working! I see newsgroup names
    >> downloading... And now Vista Mail is loading messages. Hey, this is
    >> great. Much better than Google Groups!
    >>
    >> Thank you very much!!!

    >
    > Heh! Almost *anything* is better than GG. If you want binaries, like
    > garden groups with individual images, and don't mind paying a couple
    > of bucks for newsgroup access (monthly or a block account), you will
    > have even more choices.
    >
    > --


    I don't think I need binaries-- I don't need any food-related porn.... Text
    and free is fine.






  14. #14
    Somebody Guest

    Default Re: OT for cooking, but OT for newsgroups/usenet

    "Brooklyn1" <Gravesend1> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]..
    > gregz wrote:
    >>
    >>I used free service through a university for many years.

    >
    > It wasn't free, you're a thief, you stole it. Not only did you steal
    > the service but you spent all day perusing the net instead of
    > working... I bet you know every raunchy porn site out there.



    There is porn on the internet??



  15. #15
    Andy Guest

    Default Re: OT for cooking, but OT for newsgroups/usenet

    "Somebody" <[email protected]> wrote:

    > There is porn on the internet??



    A funny animation./song

    The Internet is for Porn!
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWEjvCRPrCo

    Andy

  16. #16
    jmcquown Guest

    Default Re: OT for cooking, but OT for newsgroups/usenet


    "S Viemeister" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]..
    > On 6/16/2012 9:40 PM, somebody wrote:
    >> You ever notice OT could mean "off topic" or "on topic"?
    >>
    >> Anyway, my question is relevant to what the old-timers call "usenet".
    >> My isp stopped carrying newsgroups few years ago and I had to switch
    >> to Google Groups. Not a fan, but it's the only thing I can use unless
    >> I pay money and since I'm kinda poor headed towards even poorer I'd
    >> rather not pay as long as free is available.
    >>
    >> Do people here use newsgroup readers? Are there any free newsgroup
    >> servers left? All I've ever found is ones I have to pay for. I'm
    >> sure they are better than Google Groups and actually have features
    >> like a "killfile" etc but GG is good enough. Just wondered if I was
    >> missing something and there are any free news group servers. Used to
    >> use Forte' agent but that was many posts ago.

    >
    > The one I use - news.individual.net - is close to free. It's only 10 Euros
    > (about $12.50) per _year_. They're very good at filtering out cr*p.
    > I use Thunderbird (free) to read - the filters are very easy to set up.



    I use news.individual.net (NIN), too. Great service! IIRC it is maintained
    by students at a university in Germany.

    Jill


  17. #17
    Gary Guest

    Default Re: OT for cooking, but OT for newsgroups/usenet

    sf wrote:
    >
    > On Sat, 16 Jun 2012 19:14:56 -0700 (PDT), somebody
    > <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    > > By George, I think it's working! I see newsgroup names
    > > downloading... And now Vista Mail is loading messages. Hey, this is
    > > great. Much better than Google Groups!
    > >
    > > Thank you very much!!!

    >
    > Heh! Almost *anything* is better than GG. If you want binaries, like
    > garden groups with individual images, and don't mind paying a couple
    > of bucks for newsgroup access (monthly or a block account), you will
    > have even more choices.


    If I could get back some of my favorite nudie binary groups, I would gladly
    pay. ;o

    Gary

  18. #18
    Doug Freyburger Guest

    Default Re: OT for cooking, but OT for newsgroups/usenet

    somebody wrote:
    >
    > [Thank you benevolent Overlords for Google Groups, but I no longer
    > need them.]


    I keep my google account as a backup. When I'm on travel I nevre know
    if the network du jour might block NNTP protocol.

  19. #19
    dsi1 Guest

    Default Re: OT for cooking, but OT for newsgroups/usenet

    On 6/17/2012 3:09 AM, sf wrote:
    > On Sat, 16 Jun 2012 19:14:56 -0700 (PDT), somebody
    > <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >> By George, I think it's working! I see newsgroup names
    >> downloading... And now Vista Mail is loading messages. Hey, this is
    >> great. Much better than Google Groups!
    >>
    >> Thank you very much!!!

    >
    > Heh! Almost *anything* is better than GG. If you want binaries, like
    > garden groups with individual images, and don't mind paying a couple
    > of bucks for newsgroup access (monthly or a block account), you will
    > have even more choices.
    >


    OTOH, GG is better than nothing. For tablet and mobile device users,
    it'll probably be the preferred option.


  20. #20
    dsi1 Guest

    Default Re: OT for cooking, but OT for newsgroups/usenet

    On 6/17/2012 8:56 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
    > On Sun, 17 Jun 2012 08:22:16 -1000, dsi1
    > <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >
    >>>

    >>
    >> OTOH, GG is better than nothing. For tablet and mobile device users,
    >> it'll probably be the preferred option.

    >
    > If that is true, I'll never own a tablet. GG is horrid and not worth
    > the pixels it is printed on.
    >


    "I'll never own a tablet." Famous last words. Usenet ain't the world, ya
    know.


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