Thread: OT for cooking, but OT for newsgroups/usenet

On 6/16/2012 9:40 PM, somebody wrote:
> You ever notice OT could mean "off topic" or "on topic"?
>
> Anyway, my question is relevant to what the old-timers call "usenet".
> My isp stopped carrying newsgroups few years ago and I had to switch
> to Google Groups. Not a fan, but it's the only thing I can use unless
> I pay money and since I'm kinda poor headed towards even poorer I'd
> rather not pay as long as free is available.
>
> Do people here use newsgroup readers? Are there any free newsgroup
> servers left? All I've ever found is ones I have to pay for. I'm
> sure they are better than Google Groups and actually have features
> like a "killfile" etc but GG is good enough. Just wondered if I was
> missing something and there are any free news group servers. Used to
> use Forte' agent but that was many posts ago.

Sounds like you missed the numerous discussions that came up when ISPs
turned off servers to "save the children". I started using this one when
comcast turned off Usenet access:

http://www.eternal-september.org/

And it came to pass that George delivered the following message unto the
people, saying~

> Sounds like you missed the numerous discussions that came up when ISPs
> turned off servers to "save the children". I started using this one when
> comcast turned off Usenet access:
>
> http://www.eternal-september.org/

http://albasani.net/index.html.en is decent, too.

Newsreader:
http://pan.rebelbase.com/download/re...pell1.i386.rpm
http://pan.rebelbase.com/download/re....0.4-1.src.rpm
(you need gnet to run Pan)

If you need a package that runs on Debian, you can convert these RPMs to
..deb format with Alien. Yes, there is a Window$ version, but surely you're
not actually using Window$ to access the network, now are you? ;o)

Of course, most times you can also log in directly to the news server
through xterm and telnet (for example--
$ telnet reader.albasani.net 119 <enter>
auth user readonly <enter>
auth pass readonly <enter>) which is how a really hard-core Usenetter
would do it.

Whatever you do, get away from Groups as quickly as you can. Run far, run
fast!

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On 6/16/2012 9:40 PM, somebody wrote:
> You ever notice OT could mean "off topic" or "on topic"?
>
> Anyway, my question is relevant to what the old-timers call "usenet".
> My isp stopped carrying newsgroups few years ago and I had to switch
> to Google Groups. Not a fan, but it's the only thing I can use unless
> I pay money and since I'm kinda poor headed towards even poorer I'd
> rather not pay as long as free is available.
>
> Do people here use newsgroup readers? Are there any free newsgroup
> servers left? All I've ever found is ones I have to pay for. I'm
> sure they are better than Google Groups and actually have features
> like a "killfile" etc but GG is good enough. Just wondered if I was
> missing something and there are any free news group servers. Used to
> use Forte' agent but that was many posts ago.

The one I use - news.individual.net - is close to free. It's only 10
Euros (about $12.50) per _year_. They're very good at filtering out cr*p.
I use Thunderbird (free) to read - the filters are very easy to set up.

On Jun 16, 9:48*pm, George <geo...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> On 6/16/2012 9:40 PM, somebody wrote:
>
> > You ever notice OT could mean "off topic" or "on topic"?
>
> > Anyway, my question is relevant to what the old-timers call "usenet".
> > My isp stopped carrying newsgroups few years ago and I had to switch
> > to Google Groups. *Not a fan, but it's the only thing I can use unless
> > I pay money and since I'm kinda poor headed towards even poorer I'd
> > rather not pay as long as free is available.
>
> > Do people here use newsgroup readers? *Are there any free newsgroup
> > servers left? *All I've ever found is ones I have to pay for. *I'm
> > sure they are better than Google Groups and actually have features
> > like a "killfile" etc but GG is good enough. *Just wondered if I was
> > missing something and there are any free news group servers. *Used to
> > use Forte' agent but that was many posts ago.
>
> Sounds like you missed the numerous discussions that came up when ISPs
> turned off servers to "save the children". I started using this one when
> comcast turned off Usenet access:
>
> http://www.eternal-september.org/


By George, I think it's working! I see newsgroup names
downloading... And now Vista Mail is loading messages. Hey, this is
great. Much better than Google Groups!

Thank you very much!!!

On Jun 16, 10:09*pm, MotoFox <u...@footron.bitnet> wrote:
> And it came to pass that George delivered the following message unto the
> people, saying~
>
> > Sounds like you missed the numerous discussions that came up when ISPs
> > turned off servers to "save the children". I started using this one when
> > comcast turned off Usenet access:
>
> >http://www.eternal-september.org/
>
> http://albasani.net/index.html.enis decent, too.
>
> Newsreader:http://pan.rebelbase.com/download/re...T_9/gnet/REDHA...
> (you need gnet to run Pan)
>
> If you need a package that runs on Debian, you can convert these RPMs to
> .deb format with Alien. Yes, there is a Window$ version, but surely you're
> not actually using Window$ to access the network, now are you? ;o)
>
> Of course, most times you can also log in directly to the news server
> through xterm and telnet (for example--
> $ telnet reader.albasani.net 119 <enter>
> auth user readonly <enter>
> auth pass readonly <enter>) which is how a really hard-core Usenetter
> would do it.
>
> Whatever you do, get away from Groups as quickly as you can. Run far, run
> fast!

Thanks. I actually have a LCP but it was like 10 years ago. And
well, you don't want to know... but at least I'm off Google Groups!

[Thank you benevolent Overlords for Google Groups, but I no longer
need them.]

"George" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:jrjcvn$6vv$[email protected]..
> On 6/16/2012 9:40 PM, somebody wrote:
>> You ever notice OT could mean "off topic" or "on topic"?
>>
>> Anyway, my question is relevant to what the old-timers call "usenet".
>> My isp stopped carrying newsgroups few years ago and I had to switch
>> to Google Groups. Not a fan, but it's the only thing I can use unless
>> I pay money and since I'm kinda poor headed towards even poorer I'd
>> rather not pay as long as free is available.
>>
>> Do people here use newsgroup readers? Are there any free newsgroup
>> servers left? All I've ever found is ones I have to pay for. I'm
>> sure they are better than Google Groups and actually have features
>> like a "killfile" etc but GG is good enough. Just wondered if I was
>> missing something and there are any free news group servers. Used to
>> use Forte' agent but that was many posts ago.
>
> Sounds like you missed the numerous discussions that came up when ISPs
> turned off servers to "save the children". I started using this one when
> comcast turned off Usenet access:
>
> http://www.eternal-september.org/



I see messages in a hierarchy under a topic! Like I used years ago. Now, I
can tell who is responding to who. Unlike Google Groups where I had to wade
through old messages to see if there were new messages, and it wasn't
obvious who was responding to who... And I can kill file spam. And glance
through a thread and see where it started and ends. This is great!

Thank you!

George <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 6/16/2012 9:40 PM, somebody wrote:
>> You ever notice OT could mean "off topic" or "on topic"?
>>
>> Anyway, my question is relevant to what the old-timers call "usenet".
>> My isp stopped carrying newsgroups few years ago and I had to switch
>> to Google Groups. Not a fan, but it's the only thing I can use unless
>> I pay money and since I'm kinda poor headed towards even poorer I'd
>> rather not pay as long as free is available.
>>
>> Do people here use newsgroup readers? Are there any free newsgroup
>> servers left? All I've ever found is ones I have to pay for. I'm
>> sure they are better than Google Groups and actually have features
>> like a "killfile" etc but GG is good enough. Just wondered if I was
>> missing something and there are any free news group servers. Used to
>> use Forte' agent but that was many posts ago.
>
> Sounds like you missed the numerous discussions that came up when ISPs
> turned off servers to "save the children". I started using this one when
> comcast turned off Usenet access:
>
> http://www.eternal-september.org/

So am I. I used free service through a university for many years. It was
only 1 1/2 years ago they terminated usenet service. The students were not
interested in it. I saw that happen 10 years ago.

Greg

"George" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:jrjcvn$6vv$[email protected]..
> On 6/16/2012 9:40 PM, somebody wrote:
>> You ever notice OT could mean "off topic" or "on topic"?
>>
>> Anyway, my question is relevant to what the old-timers call "usenet".
>> My isp stopped carrying newsgroups few years ago and I had to switch
>> to Google Groups. Not a fan, but it's the only thing I can use unless
>> I pay money and since I'm kinda poor headed towards even poorer I'd
>> rather not pay as long as free is available.
>>
>> Do people here use newsgroup readers? Are there any free newsgroup
>> servers left? All I've ever found is ones I have to pay for. I'm
>> sure they are better than Google Groups and actually have features
>> like a "killfile" etc but GG is good enough. Just wondered if I was
>> missing something and there are any free news group servers. Used to
>> use Forte' agent but that was many posts ago.
>
> Sounds like you missed the numerous discussions that came up when ISPs
> turned off servers to "save the children". I started using this one when
> comcast turned off Usenet access:
>
> http://www.eternal-september.org/

Yep.

Somebody wrote:
>
> "George" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> >
> > http://www.eternal-september.org/
>
> I see messages in a hierarchy under a topic! Like I used years ago. Now, I
> can tell who is responding to who. Unlike Google Groups where I had to wade
> through old messages to see if there were new messages, and it wasn't
> obvious who was responding to who... And I can kill file spam. And glance
> through a thread and see where it started and ends. This is great!
>
> Thank you!

Nice to have it back, isn't it?
George hooked you up with that one.
If you ever need a backup this is free too:
http://www.aioe.org

Gary

gregz wrote:
>
>I used free service through a university for many years.

It wasn't free, you're a thief, you stole it. Not only did you steal
the service but you spent all day perusing the net instead of
working... I bet you know every raunchy porn site out there.

On Sat, 16 Jun 2012 19:14:56 -0700 (PDT), somebody
<[email protected]> wrote:

> By George, I think it's working! I see newsgroup names
> downloading... And now Vista Mail is loading messages. Hey, this is
> great. Much better than Google Groups!
>
> Thank you very much!!!

Heh! Almost *anything* is better than GG. If you want binaries, like
garden groups with individual images, and don't mind paying a couple
of bucks for newsgroup access (monthly or a block account), you will
have even more choices.

--
Food is an important part of a balanced diet.

"sf" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]..
> On Sat, 16 Jun 2012 19:14:56 -0700 (PDT), somebody
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> By George, I think it's working! I see newsgroup names
>> downloading... And now Vista Mail is loading messages. Hey, this is
>> great. Much better than Google Groups!
>>
>> Thank you very much!!!
>
> Heh! Almost *anything* is better than GG. If you want binaries, like
> garden groups with individual images, and don't mind paying a couple
> of bucks for newsgroup access (monthly or a block account), you will
> have even more choices.
>
> --

I don't think I need binaries-- I don't need any food-related porn.... Text
and free is fine.

"Brooklyn1" <Gravesend1> wrote in message
news:[email protected]..
> gregz wrote:
>>
>>I used free service through a university for many years.
>
> It wasn't free, you're a thief, you stole it. Not only did you steal
> the service but you spent all day perusing the net instead of
> working... I bet you know every raunchy porn site out there.


There is porn on the internet??

"Somebody" <[email protected]> wrote:

> There is porn on the internet??


A funny animation./song

The Internet is for Porn!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWEjvCRPrCo

Andy

"S Viemeister" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]..
> On 6/16/2012 9:40 PM, somebody wrote:
>> You ever notice OT could mean "off topic" or "on topic"?
>>
>> Anyway, my question is relevant to what the old-timers call "usenet".
>> My isp stopped carrying newsgroups few years ago and I had to switch
>> to Google Groups. Not a fan, but it's the only thing I can use unless
>> I pay money and since I'm kinda poor headed towards even poorer I'd
>> rather not pay as long as free is available.
>>
>> Do people here use newsgroup readers? Are there any free newsgroup
>> servers left? All I've ever found is ones I have to pay for. I'm
>> sure they are better than Google Groups and actually have features
>> like a "killfile" etc but GG is good enough. Just wondered if I was
>> missing something and there are any free news group servers. Used to
>> use Forte' agent but that was many posts ago.
>
> The one I use - news.individual.net - is close to free. It's only 10 Euros
> (about $12.50) per _year_. They're very good at filtering out cr*p.
> I use Thunderbird (free) to read - the filters are very easy to set up.


I use news.individual.net (NIN), too. Great service! IIRC it is maintained
by students at a university in Germany.

Jill

sf wrote:
>
> On Sat, 16 Jun 2012 19:14:56 -0700 (PDT), somebody
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > By George, I think it's working! I see newsgroup names
> > downloading... And now Vista Mail is loading messages. Hey, this is
> > great. Much better than Google Groups!
> >
> > Thank you very much!!!
>
> Heh! Almost *anything* is better than GG. If you want binaries, like
> garden groups with individual images, and don't mind paying a couple
> of bucks for newsgroup access (monthly or a block account), you will
> have even more choices.

If I could get back some of my favorite nudie binary groups, I would gladly
pay. ;o

Gary

somebody wrote:
>
> [Thank you benevolent Overlords for Google Groups, but I no longer
> need them.]

I keep my google account as a backup. When I'm on travel I nevre know
if the network du jour might block NNTP protocol.

On 6/17/2012 3:09 AM, sf wrote:
> On Sat, 16 Jun 2012 19:14:56 -0700 (PDT), somebody
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> By George, I think it's working! I see newsgroup names
>> downloading... And now Vista Mail is loading messages. Hey, this is
>> great. Much better than Google Groups!
>>
>> Thank you very much!!!
>
> Heh! Almost *anything* is better than GG. If you want binaries, like
> garden groups with individual images, and don't mind paying a couple
> of bucks for newsgroup access (monthly or a block account), you will
> have even more choices.
>

OTOH, GG is better than nothing. For tablet and mobile device users,
it'll probably be the preferred option.

On 6/17/2012 8:56 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On Sun, 17 Jun 2012 08:22:16 -1000, dsi1
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>>>
>>
>> OTOH, GG is better than nothing. For tablet and mobile device users,
>> it'll probably be the preferred option.
>
> If that is true, I'll never own a tablet. GG is horrid and not worth
> the pixels it is printed on.
>

"I'll never own a tablet." Famous last words. Usenet ain't the world, ya
know.