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    Serene Vannoy Guest

    Default OT, but it's not stopping anyone else

    Obesity police's shaky science

    http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/opi...73,print.story


    And even if being thinner were better for you, DIETS DON'T WORK:

    http://www.reuters.com/article/gc08/...2?pageNumber=1

    "We concluded most of them would have been better off not going on the
    diet at all. Their weight would be pretty much the same, and their
    bodies would not suffer the wear and tear from losing weight and gaining
    it all back," said Mann.

    "Diets do not lead to sustained weight loss or health benefits for the
    majority of people."


    Diets don't work: http://kateharding.net/2007/04/12/diets-dont-work-but/

    Diets don't work:
    http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/0...s-dont-work-2/

    (Might need registration, so here it is in full:

    More Evidence That Diets Don’t Work
    By tbilanow

    As if we needed a reminder that diets mostly fail, The New England
    Journal of Medicine has published a new report on an intense, tightly
    controlled experiment involving more than 300 moderately obese people.

    After two years of effort the dieters lost, on average, 6 to 10 pounds.
    The study, funded in part by the Atkins Research Foundation, seemed
    designed to prove that low-carb diets trump low-fat diets. But in the
    end, all it really showed is that dieters can put forth tremendous
    effort and reap very little benefit.

    Dr. Dean Ornish, a proponent of low-fat diets, is critical of the study
    design, particularly the fact that the so-called “low-fat” diet group
    was really only a moderate-fat diet that included about 30 percent of
    calories from fat. He writes more about the issue in a Newsweek column here.

    The New England Journal report also affirmed something many women have
    believed all along — that low-carb diets work better for men than women.
    Male low-carb dieters lost about 11 pounds, compared to about 9 pounds
    on a Mediterranean diet. Women low-carb dieters lost only about 5
    pounds, compared to about 14 on the Mediterranean diet.

    Diets don't work:
    http://www.scientificamerican.com/po...5F60B2E1AB3C7F

    And so on. Now can we get back to talking about cooking?

    ObFood: I came home exhausted, and the kid was making dinner. She
    doesn't cook much, and she wasn't impressed with her simple dinner of
    veggies and rice, but I loved it, and I so appreciated her taking care
    of us in that way.

    Serene
    --
    42 Magazine, celebrating life with meaning. Inaugural issue is here!
    http://42magazine.com

    "But here's a handy hint: if your fabulous theory for ending war and
    all other human conflict will not survive an online argument with
    humourless feminists who are not afraid to throw rape around as an
    example, your theory needs work." -- Aqua, alt.polyamory

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    cybercat Guest

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    "Serene Vannoy" <[email protected]> wrote
    ?
    >
    > ObFood: I came home exhausted, and the kid was making dinner. She doesn't
    > cook much, and she wasn't impressed with her simple dinner of veggies and
    > rice, but I loved it, and I so appreciated her taking care of us in that
    > way.


    She sounds like a good kid.



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    Ophelia Guest

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    "cybercat" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:jZ9cm.73205$[email protected]..
    >
    > "Serene Vannoy" <[email protected]> wrote
    > ?
    >>
    >> ObFood: I came home exhausted, and the kid was making dinner. She doesn't
    >> cook much, and she wasn't impressed with her simple dinner of veggies and
    >> rice, but I loved it, and I so appreciated her taking care of us in that
    >> way.

    >
    > She sounds like a good kid.


    And well loved) There is a lot of love in that house




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    Serene Vannoy Guest

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    cybercat wrote:
    > "Serene Vannoy" <[email protected]> wrote
    > ?
    >> ObFood: I came home exhausted, and the kid was making dinner. She doesn't
    >> cook much, and she wasn't impressed with her simple dinner of veggies and
    >> rice, but I loved it, and I so appreciated her taking care of us in that
    >> way.

    >
    > She sounds like a good kid.


    She's a really good kid. She's had a hard few years, and she's coming
    out of it well.

    Serene

    --
    42 Magazine, celebrating life with meaning. Inaugural issue is here!
    http://42magazine.com

    "But here's a handy hint: if your fabulous theory for ending war and
    all other human conflict will not survive an online argument with
    humourless feminists who are not afraid to throw rape around as an
    example, your theory needs work." -- Aqua, alt.polyamory

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    Serene Vannoy Guest

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    Ophelia wrote:
    > "cybercat" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:jZ9cm.73205$[email protected]..
    >> "Serene Vannoy" <[email protected]> wrote
    >> ?
    >>> ObFood: I came home exhausted, and the kid was making dinner. She doesn't
    >>> cook much, and she wasn't impressed with her simple dinner of veggies and
    >>> rice, but I loved it, and I so appreciated her taking care of us in that
    >>> way.

    >> She sounds like a good kid.

    >
    > And well loved) There is a lot of love in that house
    >
    >
    >


    Yep. We're awfully lucky.

    ObFood: Tonight, we stopped for hamburgers on our way home and got one
    for the kid. Also, I got the best ever grape tomatoes for a dollar a
    pound, and I'm gonna snarf a bazillion of them for "dessert".

    Serene

    --
    42 Magazine, celebrating life with meaning. Inaugural issue is here!
    http://42magazine.com

    "But here's a handy hint: if your fabulous theory for ending war and
    all other human conflict will not survive an online argument with
    humourless feminists who are not afraid to throw rape around as an
    example, your theory needs work." -- Aqua, alt.polyamory

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    cybercat Guest

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    "Serene Vannoy" <[email protected]> wrote
    >
    > ObFood: Tonight, we stopped for hamburgers on our way home and got one for
    > the kid. Also, I got the best ever grape tomatoes for a dollar a pound,
    > and I'm gonna snarf a bazillion of them for "dessert".
    >


    I love grape tomatos. They are nice sliced (so they will not shoot out the
    sides) with raw onions on sub type sandwiches, too. I have been cooking very
    little this summer, mostly eating simple stuff like salads and sandwiches
    (and watermelon!) at home, with the occasional big old greasy fast food
    meal. Today it was a Bojangles bacon egg and cheese biscuit with fries. Big,
    seasoned, half-floppy, half crispy, perfect potatoes. Mmm. Also, (and this
    should wow the rfc crowd, haha!) I have discovered Shake N Bake, using it on
    chicken legs after soaking them in milk for a few hours. Excellent cold, in
    salads, or snarfed over the sink off the bone.



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    projectile vomit chick Guest

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    On Jul 30, 11:56*pm, "cybercat" <cyberpu...@yahoo.com> wrote:
    > snarfed over the sink off the bone.


    I don't need to hear about your night job, slut.

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    Bob Muncie Guest

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    cybercat wrote:
    > "Serene Vannoy" <[email protected]> wrote
    >> ObFood: Tonight, we stopped for hamburgers on our way home and got one for
    >> the kid. Also, I got the best ever grape tomatoes for a dollar a pound,
    >> and I'm gonna snarf a bazillion of them for "dessert".
    >>

    >
    > I love grape tomatos. They are nice sliced (so they will not shoot out the
    > sides) with raw onions on sub type sandwiches, too. I have been cooking very
    > little this summer, mostly eating simple stuff like salads and sandwiches
    > (and watermelon!) at home, with the occasional big old greasy fast food
    > meal. Today it was a Bojangles bacon egg and cheese biscuit with fries. Big,
    > seasoned, half-floppy, half crispy, perfect potatoes. Mmm. Also, (and this
    > should wow the rfc crowd, haha!) I have discovered Shake N Bake, using it on
    > chicken legs after soaking them in milk for a few hours. Excellent cold, in
    > salads, or snarfed over the sink off the bone.
    >
    >


    I know the style. I've been eating yogurt and/or cereal for breakfast,
    salad/fruit for lunch and or dinner time frame mostly, with an
    occasional indulgence. I have some BOGO coupons for Culver's double
    deluxe burgers that expire today, so it's likely I'll indulge that
    today. I also have some steamed burger with onions and mushrooms I made
    yesterday for a more healthy loose meat sandwich yesterday. The left
    over will likely go towards a chili on Saturday or Sunday. Guess I'll be
    burgered out by the end of the week-end and switching to chicken :-) But
    now is the right time to enjoy the salad and fruit as they are at least
    50% off around here this time of the season.

    Bob

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    =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Bobo_Bonobo=AE?= Guest

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    On Jul 31, 5:56*am, Bob Muncie <bob.mun...@gmail.com> wrote:
    > cybercat wrote:
    > > "Serene Vannoy" <ser...@serenepages.org> wrote
    > >> ObFood: Tonight, we stopped for hamburgers on our way home and got onefor
    > >> the kid. *Also, I got the best ever grape tomatoes for a dollar a pound,
    > >> and I'm gonna snarf a bazillion of them for "dessert".

    >
    > > I love grape tomatos. They are nice sliced (so they will not shoot out the
    > > sides) with raw onions on sub type sandwiches, too. I have been cookingvery
    > > little this summer, mostly eating simple stuff like salads and sandwiches
    > > (and watermelon!) at home, with the occasional big old greasy fast food
    > > meal. Today it was a Bojangles bacon egg and cheese biscuit with fries.Big,
    > > seasoned, half-floppy, half crispy, perfect potatoes. Mmm. Also, (and this
    > > should wow the rfc crowd, haha!) I have discovered Shake N Bake, using it on
    > > chicken legs after soaking them in milk for a few hours. Excellent cold, in
    > > salads, or snarfed over the sink off the bone.

    >
    > I know the style. I've been eating yogurt and/or cereal for breakfast,
    > salad/fruit for lunch and or dinner time frame mostly, with an
    > occasional indulgence. I have some BOGO coupons for Culver's double
    > deluxe burgers that expire today, so it's likely I'll indulge that
    > today.


    Man, my cup runneth over with restaurant coupons. I have buches of
    BOGO coupons for any sandwich at a particular McD's. Del Taco put out
    a sheet of coupons, so I searched the recycling containers in my old
    neighborhood for those, and got lots of BK and Hardee's too, as they
    were in the same mailer. I have a bunch of Entertainment books that
    are good until Nov. 1, and some restaurant.com dining certificates.

    White Castle has a coupon out now too: http://whitecastle.com/craversaver/coupon.html

    I'll be getting some other good deals today, as the church is having
    their garage sale. Got my eyes on a bike (that needs a little work),
    a runner sled (for next winter), an old Monopoly game (for the extra
    hotels and such, since my cat likes to relocate them), and a few other
    things. I'm lining up early. I want that bike.
    >
    > Bob


    --Bryan

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    Andy Guest

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    Bobo Bonobo® said...

    > Man, my cup runneth over with restaurant coupons. I have buches of
    > BOGO coupons for any sandwich at a particular McD's.


    I've never heard of a coupon being location specific!?!


    > Del Taco put out
    > a sheet of coupons, so I searched the recycling containers in my old
    > neighborhood for those,


    That paints a terrible mental picture. We used to get poor people going
    through curbside trash looking for aluminum cans and they would toss
    anything in their way onto the curb. We called them human roaches.


    > and got lots of BK and Hardee's too, as they
    > were in the same mailer. I have a bunch of Entertainment books that
    > are good until Nov. 1, and some restaurant.com dining certificates.
    >
    > White Castle has a coupon out now too:
    > http://whitecastle.com/craversaver/coupon.html


    An upgrade? HA!!! Either those are really teeny tiny burgers or there's
    something unusually large about the small drink and regular fries. Ah, the
    magic of advertising.


    > I'll be getting some other good deals today, as the church is having
    > their garage sale. Got my eyes on a bike (that needs a little work),
    > a runner sled (for next winter), an old Monopoly game (for the extra
    > hotels and such, since my cat likes to relocate them), and a few other
    > things. I'm lining up early. I want that bike.



    I'd give you my Trek 24-speed if you were local. Lately, my hills have
    continually gotten steeper and steeper.

    Andy

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    FliedLice Guest

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    On Thu, 30 Jul 2009 20:31:34 -0700, Serene Vannoy <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    >Ophelia wrote:
    >> "cybercat" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >> news:jZ9cm.73205$[email protected]..
    >>> "Serene Vannoy" <[email protected]> wrote
    >>> ?
    >>>> ObFood: I came home exhausted, and the kid was making dinner. She doesn't
    >>>> cook much, and she wasn't impressed with her simple dinner of veggies and
    >>>> rice, but I loved it, and I so appreciated her taking care of us in that
    >>>> way.
    >>> She sounds like a good kid.

    >>
    >> And well loved) There is a lot of love in that house
    >>
    >>
    >>

    >
    >Yep. We're awfully lucky.
    >
    >ObFood: Tonight, we stopped for hamburgers on our way home and got one
    >for the kid. Also, I got the best ever grape tomatoes for a dollar a
    >pound, and I'm gonna snarf a bazillion of them for "dessert".
    >
    >Serene


    Picked up two packs at costco, alittle sea salt and they're a terrific dessert.

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    cybercat Guest

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    "Bob Muncie" <[email protected]> wrote
    >
    > I know the style. I've been eating yogurt and/or cereal for breakfast,
    > salad/fruit for lunch and or dinner time frame mostly, with an occasional
    > indulgence. I have some BOGO coupons for Culver's double deluxe burgers
    > that expire today, so it's likely I'll indulge that today. I also have
    > some steamed burger with onions and mushrooms I made yesterday for a more
    > healthy loose meat sandwich yesterday.


    Hmm, what is this "steamed burger?"

    The left
    > over will likely go towards a chili on Saturday or Sunday. Guess I'll be
    > burgered out by the end of the week-end and switching to chicken :-) But
    > now is the right time to enjoy the salad and fruit as they are at least
    > 50% off around here this time of the season.
    >


    Yes indeed. Man, they had four pints of really nice blueberries (not wild, I
    know, I am deprived!) for $6 the other week the most expensive grocery
    around, then they were four for $5 couple days ago! I had no idea they are
    full of Omega 3 fatty acids, like fish, did you know that?



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    Nancy2 Guest

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    > > that expire today, so it's likely I'll indulge that today. I also have
    > > some steamed burger with onions and mushrooms I made yesterday for a more
    > > healthy loose meat sandwich yesterday.

    >
    > Hmm, what is this "steamed burger?"
    >


    The key was he said "loose meat." Just throw the hamburger in a hot
    pan and stir it like crazy until it's all broken up and cooked through
    - it shouldn't get browned which would make the bits hard and dry. It
    just gets "steamed."

    N.

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    Bob Muncie Guest

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    cybercat wrote:
    > "Bob Muncie" <[email protected]> wrote
    >> I know the style. I've been eating yogurt and/or cereal for breakfast,
    >> salad/fruit for lunch and or dinner time frame mostly, with an occasional
    >> indulgence. I have some BOGO coupons for Culver's double deluxe burgers
    >> that expire today, so it's likely I'll indulge that today. I also have
    >> some steamed burger with onions and mushrooms I made yesterday for a more
    >> healthy loose meat sandwich yesterday.

    >
    > Hmm, what is this "steamed burger?"
    >
    > The left
    >> over will likely go towards a chili on Saturday or Sunday. Guess I'll be
    >> burgered out by the end of the week-end and switching to chicken :-) But
    >> now is the right time to enjoy the salad and fruit as they are at least
    >> 50% off around here this time of the season.
    >>

    >
    > Yes indeed. Man, they had four pints of really nice blueberries (not wild, I
    > know, I am deprived!) for $6 the other week the most expensive grocery
    > around, then they were four for $5 couple days ago! I had no idea they are
    > full of Omega 3 fatty acids, like fish, did you know that?
    >
    >


    CC -

    I will often times get burger (doesn't matter the % of fat for this cook
    method) season well, put in a steamer rack on top of a coffee filter
    that sits inside a smaller size stock pot. Two cups of water boiling,
    add the steamer rack to the pot, cover and cook for appropriate time
    (depends on thickness of the burger. In the above case, I mentioned
    loose meat so the form was more like a maid-rite which is just highly
    seasoned burger that is in loose format, and served on steamed buns with
    mustard, chopped onions, and pickles. I could have also made them in a
    hamburger shape (I have those round egg molds for frying eggs for muffin
    sandwiches) but since I was making some for chili, I didn't bother.
    Throw in a couple of buns to steam before serving. But I did saute
    mushrooms and onions in olive oil to add to the burger after I broke it
    up. Chopped raw onion is also a normal topping for the sandwiches.

    The burger cooked this way is pretty ugly coming out as it's gray, but
    it does taste good, and is a healthy way to cook it.

    The remainder that I'll use for chili will go into a saute pan with
    cumin and chili pepper (I use chipotle), stir until somewhat dry, and
    add to chili base (and yes I use beans).

    Bob

    My dog even benefits as he gets some of the greased water to his dry
    food before disposing of the water :-)

    In sandwich form, you could also add shredded cheese (I uses cheddar or
    mozzarella)or if you formed the burgers, sliced cheese also works well.

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    Bob Muncie Guest

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    Nancy2 wrote:
    >>> that expire today, so it's likely I'll indulge that today. I also have
    >>> some steamed burger with onions and mushrooms I made yesterday for a more
    >>> healthy loose meat sandwich yesterday.

    >> Hmm, what is this "steamed burger?"
    >>

    >
    > The key was he said "loose meat." Just throw the hamburger in a hot
    > pan and stir it like crazy until it's all broken up and cooked through
    > - it shouldn't get browned which would make the bits hard and dry. It
    > just gets "steamed."
    >
    > N.


    Thanks Nancy, and you would be right to assume I started doing it that
    way before the steam basket method came to me later on. A traditional
    "maid-rite" copykat is to do exactly what you describe, and than add
    beef broth back into the mix once the burger is cooked and broken up to
    re-moisten (the steam factor I think). That would also allow for the
    steaming of the rolls or buns.

    Bob

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    Serene Vannoy Guest

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    Bobo Bonobo® wrote:

    > Man, my cup runneth over with restaurant coupons. I have buches of
    > BOGO coupons for any sandwich at a particular McD's. Del Taco put out
    > a sheet of coupons, so I searched the recycling containers in my old
    > neighborhood for those, and got lots of BK and Hardee's too, as they
    > were in the same mailer. I have a bunch of Entertainment books that
    > are good until Nov. 1, and some restaurant.com dining certificates.
    >
    > White Castle has a coupon out now too: http://whitecastle.com/craversaver/coupon.html


    Wait a minute. You rag on people who eat margarine, and you eat at
    McDonald's? Yeesh.

    Serene

    --
    42 Magazine, celebrating life with meaning. Inaugural issue is here!
    http://42magazine.com

    "But here's a handy hint: if your fabulous theory for ending war and
    all other human conflict will not survive an online argument with
    humourless feminists who are not afraid to throw rape around as an
    example, your theory needs work." -- Aqua, alt.polyamory

  17. #17
    cyberpurrs Guest

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    "Serene Vannoy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]..
    > Bobo Bonobo® wrote:
    >
    >> Man, my cup runneth over with restaurant coupons. I have buches of
    >> BOGO coupons for any sandwich at a particular McD's. Del Taco put out
    >> a sheet of coupons, so I searched the recycling containers in my old
    >> neighborhood for those, and got lots of BK and Hardee's too, as they
    >> were in the same mailer. I have a bunch of Entertainment books that
    >> are good until Nov. 1, and some restaurant.com dining certificates.
    >>
    >> White Castle has a coupon out now too:
    >> http://whitecastle.com/craversaver/coupon.html

    >
    > Wait a minute. You rag on people who eat margarine, and you eat at
    > McDonald's? Yeesh.
    >


    hilarious.


  18. #18
    cybercat Guest

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    "Bob Muncie" <[email protected]> wrote
    [snips]
    >
    > In sandwich form, you could also add shredded cheese (I uses cheddar or
    > mozzarella)or if you formed the burgers, sliced cheese also works well.


    Sounds pretty good!



  19. #19
    blake murphy Guest

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    On Fri, 31 Jul 2009 19:11:33 -0700, Serene Vannoy wrote:

    > Bobo Bonobo® wrote:
    >
    >> Man, my cup runneth over with restaurant coupons. I have buches of
    >> BOGO coupons for any sandwich at a particular McD's. Del Taco put out
    >> a sheet of coupons, so I searched the recycling containers in my old
    >> neighborhood for those, and got lots of BK and Hardee's too, as they
    >> were in the same mailer. I have a bunch of Entertainment books that
    >> are good until Nov. 1, and some restaurant.com dining certificates.
    >>
    >> White Castle has a coupon out now too: http://whitecastle.com/craversaver/coupon.html

    >
    > Wait a minute. You rag on people who eat margarine, and you eat at
    > McDonald's? Yeesh.
    >
    > Serene


    well, otherwise he would live forever.

    your pal,
    blake

  20. #20
    Terry Pulliam Burd Guest

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    On Fri, 31 Jul 2009 07:53:42 -0500, Andy <[email protected]> fired up random
    neurons and synapses to opine:

    >That paints a terrible mental picture. We used to get poor people going
    >through curbside trash looking for aluminum cans and they would toss
    >anything in their way onto the curb. We called them human roaches.


    The LA City council has been discussing putting locks on homeowners'
    recycling bins b/c of this. Personally, I think it's a petty, cruel
    move for the more affluent to lock away something that's being thrown
    out. Counterintuitive, IMHO, but the City council insists that it will
    keep the "undesirables" out of residential neighborhoods. They also
    attempted to keep the taco trucks from parking for more than one hour
    in one place - claimed it hurt local restaurants. Like a taco truck is
    going to be competition for a restaurant? Likewise, the Santa Ana city
    council has been discussing banning the ice cream handcarts. What a
    crock. What's next? Ban the little old ladies in SA from using their
    iconic umbrellas?

    Terry "Squeaks" Pulliam Burd

    --

    "If the soup had been as hot as the claret, if the claret had been as
    old as the bird, and if the bird's breasts had been as full as the
    waitress's, it would have been a very good dinner."

    - Duncan Hines

    To reply, replace "meatloaf" with "cox"





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