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  1. #1
    Mark Thorson Guest

    Default Organic Food Not More Nutritious !!!

    A recent review of 162 papers published in peer-reviewed journals
    found no significant difference in nutrition between organic
    and conventional food. The review was published in the
    _American_Journal_of_Clinical_Nutrition.

    http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/abst...n.2009.28041v1

  2. #2
    Chemo the Clown Guest

    Default Re: Organic Food Not More Nutritious !!!

    On Jul 29, 2:57*pm, Mark Thorson <nos...@sonic.net> wrote:
    > A recent review of 162 papers published in peer-reviewed journals
    > found no significant difference in nutrition between organic
    > and conventional food. *The review was published in the
    > _American_Journal_of_Clinical_Nutrition.
    >
    > http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/abst...n.2009.28041v1


    Ok.

  3. #3
    BD Guest

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    "Mark Thorson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]..
    >A recent review of 162 papers published in peer-reviewed journals
    > found no significant difference in nutrition between organic
    > and conventional food. The review was published in the
    > _American_Journal_of_Clinical_Nutrition.
    >
    > http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/abst...n.2009.28041v1



    apples vs. oranges

    It's not about the nutrition, its all about the chemicals/pesticides and
    preservatives.



  4. #4
    Andy Guest

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    Mark Thorson said...

    > A recent review of 162 papers published in peer-reviewed journals
    > found no significant difference in nutrition between organic
    > and conventional food. The review was published in the
    > _American_Journal_of_Clinical_Nutrition.



    I remember Sheldon made a comment about organic food, five years or so ago
    that was great!

    I don't remember it verbatim...

    "That only means your organic tomato ketchup has bugs in it."

    HA!!!

    Andy

  5. #5
    Bob Muncie Guest

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    Andy wrote:
    > Mark Thorson said...
    >
    >> A recent review of 162 papers published in peer-reviewed journals
    >> found no significant difference in nutrition between organic
    >> and conventional food. The review was published in the
    >> _American_Journal_of_Clinical_Nutrition.

    >
    >
    > I remember Sheldon made a comment about organic food, five years or so ago
    > that was great!
    >
    > I don't remember it verbatim...
    >
    > "That only means your organic tomato ketchup has bugs in it."
    >
    > HA!!!
    >
    > Andy


    May be old, but it is still funny :-)

    Bob

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    jmcquown Guest

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    "Mark Thorson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]..
    >A recent review of 162 papers published in peer-reviewed journals
    > found no significant difference in nutrition between organic
    > and conventional food. The review was published in the
    > _American_Journal_of_Clinical_Nutrition.
    >
    > http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/abst...n.2009.28041v1




    I've been saying for years there's no diference and I didn't need a study to
    tell me so. They are still the same fruit and vegetables, but with the
    label "organic" they command a higher price tag. Go figure.

    Jill


  7. #7
    jmcquown Guest

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    "BD" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:aS3cm.1610$[email protected]..
    >
    > "Mark Thorson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]..
    >>A recent review of 162 papers published in peer-reviewed journals
    >> found no significant difference in nutrition between organic
    >> and conventional food. The review was published in the
    >> _American_Journal_of_Clinical_Nutrition.
    >>
    >> http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/abst...n.2009.28041v1

    >
    >
    > apples vs. oranges
    >
    > It's not about the nutrition, its all about the chemicals/pesticides and
    > preservatives.
    >


    Tell me you've *never once* used a pesticide to get rid of bugs around your
    house. Then perhaps you can tell me how to keep out Palmetto bugs, crickets
    and spiders without spraying pescides. Same thing goes for a good crop of
    vegetables.

    Fresh fruits and vegetables don't contain preservatives. Hopefully by the
    time they get to the market they won't have been half eaten by bugs (or Bugs
    Bunny), too.

    Jill


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    blake murphy Guest

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    On Fri, 31 Jul 2009 02:11:38 -0400, jmcquown wrote:

    > "BD" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    > news:aS3cm.1610$[email protected]..
    >>
    >> "Mark Thorson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >> news:[email protected]..
    >>>A recent review of 162 papers published in peer-reviewed journals
    >>> found no significant difference in nutrition between organic
    >>> and conventional food. The review was published in the
    >>> _American_Journal_of_Clinical_Nutrition.
    >>>
    >>> http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/abst...n.2009.28041v1

    >>
    >>
    >> apples vs. oranges
    >>
    >> It's not about the nutrition, its all about the chemicals/pesticides and
    >> preservatives.
    >>

    >
    > Tell me you've *never once* used a pesticide to get rid of bugs around your
    > house. Then perhaps you can tell me how to keep out Palmetto bugs, crickets
    > and spiders without spraying pescides. Same thing goes for a good crop of
    > vegetables.
    >
    > Fresh fruits and vegetables don't contain preservatives. Hopefully by the
    > time they get to the market they won't have been half eaten by bugs (or Bugs
    > Bunny), too.
    >
    > Jill


    why would i live where cockroaches are so big they are required to file
    flight plans?

    your pal,
    blake

  9. #9
    jmcquown Guest

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    "blake murphy" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:138jtuacz2d5v$.[email protected]..
    > On Fri, 31 Jul 2009 02:11:38 -0400, jmcquown wrote:
    >
    >> "BD" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >> news:aS3cm.1610$[email protected]..
    >>>
    >>> "Mark Thorson" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    >>> news:[email protected]..
    >>>>A recent review of 162 papers published in peer-reviewed journals
    >>>> found no significant difference in nutrition between organic
    >>>> and conventional food. The review was published in the
    >>>> _American_Journal_of_Clinical_Nutrition.
    >>>>
    >>>> http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/abst...n.2009.28041v1
    >>>
    >>>
    >>> apples vs. oranges
    >>>
    >>> It's not about the nutrition, its all about the chemicals/pesticides and
    >>> preservatives.
    >>>

    >>
    >> Tell me you've *never once* used a pesticide to get rid of bugs around
    >> your
    >> house. Then perhaps you can tell me how to keep out Palmetto bugs,
    >> crickets
    >> and spiders without spraying pescides. Same thing goes for a good crop
    >> of
    >> vegetables.
    >>
    >> Fresh fruits and vegetables don't contain preservatives. Hopefully by
    >> the
    >> time they get to the market they won't have been half eaten by bugs (or
    >> Bugs
    >> Bunny), too.
    >>
    >> Jill

    >
    > why would i live where cockroaches are so big they are required to file
    > flight plans?
    >
    > your pal,
    > blake



    LOL They are indeed BIG and yes, they fly. They are disgusting. I mostly
    only see them when they're dying because yes! I use pesticides.

    Jill


  10. #10
    Cindy Hamilton Guest

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    On Jul 31, 11:29*am, blake murphy <blakepmNOTT...@verizon.net> wrote:

    > why would i live where cockroaches are so big they are required to file
    > flight plans?


    I concur. Hereabouts, we use a good long freeze every winter to keep
    the
    bug population in check. I certainly wouldn't trade away my three
    months of
    cold if I had to put up with palmetto bugs, fire ants and the whole
    dreary mess.

    Let's see. Here's my insecticide usage:

    1. Deet. Once so far this summer, even though it's been really wet.
    2. I twice sprayed the garbage can with Raid something-or-other
    because
    flies had got into it and reproduced.
    3. Wasp killer. I'm pretty sure we've killed a wasp nest this
    summer.

    Sometimes in a dry year we get black ants coming indoors. I use Terro
    for that,
    which IIRC is boric acid and sugar-water.

    We found carpenter ants in a raggedy shed built onto the back of our
    detached, concrete-block garage. Sprayed them to kingdom come.
    This was in... 2006? I think they're back. If they eat the shed,
    I'll
    have an excuse to demolish it.

    We get spiders in the house, but hunting them gives my husband
    something fun to do.

    We usually get one cricket in the basement. Drives me batty, but
    I'm not about to unleash pesticide in my house just for one dumb
    cricket. (I once worked for a lab that raised frogs, and raised
    crickets to feed the frogs. I'm pretty cricket-friendly.)

    I've never felt the need to spray my vegetable garden. Once in a
    while
    the rosebush needs it. Come to think of it, I was intending to use
    the
    rosebush stuff on my raspberry canes when they quit bearing; they look
    all fungusy and hardly bore any fruit this year.

    Cindy Hamilton
    Hanging in there until October,
    when the weather becomes civil again
    60 F = comfortable
    70 F = warm
    80 F = hot
    85 F = damned hot
    90 F = hot as the hinges of Hell
    95 F = hot as Satan's jockstrap
    >95 = This is nothing; when I was a kid, it got REALLY hot.


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    maxine Guest

    Default Re: Organic Food Not More Nutritious !!!

    On Jul 29, 5:57*pm, Mark Thorson <nos...@sonic.net> wrote:
    > A recent review of 162 papers published in peer-reviewed journals
    > found no significant difference in nutrition between organic
    > and conventional food. *The review was published in the
    > _American_Journal_of_Clinical_Nutrition.
    >
    > http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/abst...n.2009.28041v1


    I never considered nutrition as a reason to eat organic vs
    conventional. It's the lack of pesticides and petro-derived
    fertilizers involved in their growth that make me consider organic
    the more interesting of the two options.

    maxine in ri

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    maxine Guest

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    On Jul 31, 1:46*pm, Cindy Hamilton <angelicapagane...@yahoo.com>
    wrote:
    > On Jul 31, 11:29*am, blake murphy <blakepmNOTT...@verizon.net> wrote:
    >
    > > why would i live where cockroaches are so big they are required to file
    > > flight plans?

    >
    > I concur. *Hereabouts, we use a good long freeze every winter to keep
    > the
    > bug population in check. *I certainly wouldn't trade away my three
    > months of
    > cold if I had to put up with palmetto bugs, fire ants and the whole
    > dreary mess.


    And Thus far this year, I've used a citronella spray for walking in
    the evening, the vacuum for the crumbs the ants go for, and the vacuum
    for the spiders. Nobody else invaded my house.

    maxine in ri

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    pure kona Guest

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    On Fri, 31 Jul 2009 11:20:51 -0700 (PDT), maxine <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    >On Jul 29, 5:57*pm, Mark Thorson <nos...@sonic.net> wrote:
    >> A recent review of 162 papers published in peer-reviewed journals
    >> found no significant difference in nutrition between organic
    >> and conventional food. *The review was published in the
    >> _American_Journal_of_Clinical_Nutrition.
    >>
    >> http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/abst...n.2009.28041v1

    >
    >I never considered nutrition as a reason to eat organic vs
    >conventional. It's the lack of pesticides and petro-derived
    >fertilizers involved in their growth that make me consider organic
    >the more interesting of the two options.
    >
    >maxine in ri


    Agreed. As a small farmer who uses no insecticides, I think the
    greatest reason to urge organic is that the enormous fields of crop
    that are routinely sprayed with nasty pesticides are really ruinous to
    the earth---for a really long time. I admit I don't always buy
    organic, but if it's about the same cost, I do. (COSTCO has some
    really good organic hamburger- in one pound sizes, that I do prefer,
    and when I see it, I buy plenty.)

    So organic is good for the soil, more so apparently than it is for
    human nutrition.

    aloha,
    Cea

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    FliedLice Guest

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    On Fri, 31 Jul 2009 10:49:35 -1000, pure kona <[email protected]> wrote:

    >On Fri, 31 Jul 2009 11:20:51 -0700 (PDT), maxine <[email protected]>
    >wrote:
    >
    >>On Jul 29, 5:57*pm, Mark Thorson <nos...@sonic.net> wrote:
    >>> A recent review of 162 papers published in peer-reviewed journals
    >>> found no significant difference in nutrition between organic
    >>> and conventional food. *The review was published in the
    >>> _American_Journal_of_Clinical_Nutrition.
    >>>
    >>> http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/abst...n.2009.28041v1

    >>
    >>I never considered nutrition as a reason to eat organic vs
    >>conventional. It's the lack of pesticides and petro-derived
    >>fertilizers involved in their growth that make me consider organic
    >>the more interesting of the two options.
    >>
    >>maxine in ri

    >
    >Agreed. As a small farmer who uses no insecticides, I think the
    >greatest reason to urge organic is that the enormous fields of crop
    >that are routinely sprayed with nasty pesticides are really ruinous to
    >the earth---for a really long time. I admit I don't always buy
    >organic, but if it's about the same cost, I do. (COSTCO has some
    >really good organic hamburger- in one pound sizes, that I do prefer,
    >and when I see it, I buy plenty.)



    So you're saying the beef was organic? Did the farmer not inoculate his herd
    from diseases?


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    [email protected] Guest

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    On Fri, 31 Jul 2009 16:00:40 -0500, FliedLice <[email protected]> wrote:

    >On Fri, 31 Jul 2009 10:49:35 -1000, pure kona <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >>On Fri, 31 Jul 2009 11:20:51 -0700 (PDT), maxine <[email protected]>
    >>wrote:
    >>
    >>>On Jul 29, 5:57*pm, Mark Thorson <nos...@sonic.net> wrote:
    >>>> A recent review of 162 papers published in peer-reviewed journals
    >>>> found no significant difference in nutrition between organic
    >>>> and conventional food. *The review was published in the
    >>>> _American_Journal_of_Clinical_Nutrition.
    >>>>
    >>>> http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/abst...n.2009.28041v1
    >>>
    >>>I never considered nutrition as a reason to eat organic vs
    >>>conventional. It's the lack of pesticides and petro-derived
    >>>fertilizers involved in their growth that make me consider organic
    >>>the more interesting of the two options.
    >>>
    >>>maxine in ri

    >>
    >>Agreed. As a small farmer who uses no insecticides, I think the
    >>greatest reason to urge organic is that the enormous fields of crop
    >>that are routinely sprayed with nasty pesticides are really ruinous to
    >>the earth---for a really long time. I admit I don't always buy
    >>organic, but if it's about the same cost, I do. (COSTCO has some
    >>really good organic hamburger- in one pound sizes, that I do prefer,
    >>and when I see it, I buy plenty.)

    >
    >
    >So you're saying the beef was organic? Did the farmer not inoculate his herd
    >from diseases?


    Basically, Yes.
    http://www.ota.com/organic/foodsafety/OrganicBeef.html

    Ross.

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    maxine Guest

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    On Jul 31, 5:00*pm, FliedLice <no...@chance.nz> wrote:
    > On Fri, 31 Jul 2009 10:49:35 -1000, pure kona <k...@smithfarms.com> wrote:
    > >On Fri, 31 Jul 2009 11:20:51 -0700 (PDT), maxine <weed...@gmail.com>
    > >wrote:

    >
    > >>On Jul 29, 5:57*pm, Mark Thorson <nos...@sonic.net> wrote:
    > >>> A recent review of 162 papers published in peer-reviewed journals
    > >>> found no significant difference in nutrition between organic
    > >>> and conventional food. *The review was published in the
    > >>> _American_Journal_of_Clinical_Nutrition.

    >
    > >>>http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/abst...n.2009.28041v1

    >
    > >>I never considered nutrition as a reason to eat organic vs
    > >>conventional. *It's the lack of pesticides and petro-derived
    > >>fertilizers *involved in their growth that make me consider organic
    > >>the more interesting of the two options.

    >
    > >>maxine in ri

    >
    > >Agreed. *As a small farmer who uses no insecticides, I think the
    > >greatest reason to urge organic is that the enormous fields of crop
    > >that are routinely sprayed with nasty pesticides are really ruinous to
    > >the earth---for a really long time. *I admit I don't always buy
    > >organic, but if it's about the same cost, I do. *(COSTCO has some
    > >really good organic hamburger- in one pound sizes, that I do prefer,
    > >and when I see it, I buy plenty.)

    >
    > So you're saying the beef was organic? Did the farmer not inoculate his herd
    > from diseases?


    Organic meat comes from animals that are fed their "natural" diet with
    no antibiotics or hormones. Natural for a cow or sheep would be grass
    fed, not finished off with corn and soy. It's a bit riskier for the
    farmer who grows the animals, since illness will cull his herd and can
    sometimes wipe them out, but the animals are healthier and need less
    meds if they are not cooped up in a feed lot or forced to grow
    rapidly. E coli is less of a concern as well, since the animals have
    not been standing knee deep in manure for their last few weeks.

    maxine in ri

  17. #17
    U.N. Guest

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    On Jul 31, 1:23*pm, maxine <weed...@gmail.com> wrote:
    > On Jul 31, 1:46*pm, Cindy Hamilton <angelicapagane...@yahoo.com>
    > wrote:
    >
    > > On Jul 31, 11:29*am, blake murphy <blakepmNOTT...@verizon.net> wrote:

    >
    > > > why would i live where cockroaches are so big they are required to file
    > > > flight plans?

    >
    > > I concur. *Hereabouts, we use a good long freeze every winter to keep
    > > the
    > > bug population in check. *I certainly wouldn't trade away my three
    > > months of
    > > cold if I had to put up with palmetto bugs, fire ants and the whole
    > > dreary mess.

    >
    > And Thus far this year, I've used a citronella spray for walking in
    > the evening, the vacuum for the crumbs the ants go for, and the vacuum
    > for the spiders. *Nobody else invaded my house.
    >
    > maxine in ri


    I'm jealous! In Wisconsin it is 6 months of cold.

    However, aside from the mosquitos that blot out the sun and blacken
    the skies from mid-summer to the first freeze, the insects don't
    bother me much.

    -J

  18. #18
    pure kona Guest

    Default Re: Organic Food Not More Nutritious !!!

    On Fri, 31 Jul 2009 19:24:34 -0400, [email protected] wrote:

    >On Fri, 31 Jul 2009 16:00:40 -0500, FliedLice <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >>On Fri, 31 Jul 2009 10:49:35 -1000, pure kona <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>
    >>>On Fri, 31 Jul 2009 11:20:51 -0700 (PDT), maxine <[email protected]>
    >>>wrote:
    >>>
    >>>>On Jul 29, 5:57*pm, Mark Thorson <nos...@sonic.net> wrote:
    >>>>> A recent review of 162 papers published in peer-reviewed journals
    >>>>> found no significant difference in nutrition between organic
    >>>>> and conventional food. *The review was published in the
    >>>>> _American_Journal_of_Clinical_Nutrition.
    >>>>>
    >>>>> http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/abst...n.2009.28041v1
    >>>>
    >>>>I never considered nutrition as a reason to eat organic vs
    >>>>conventional. It's the lack of pesticides and petro-derived
    >>>>fertilizers involved in their growth that make me consider organic
    >>>>the more interesting of the two options.
    >>>>
    >>>>maxine in ri
    >>>
    >>>Agreed. As a small farmer who uses no insecticides, I think the
    >>>greatest reason to urge organic is that the enormous fields of crop
    >>>that are routinely sprayed with nasty pesticides are really ruinous to
    >>>the earth---for a really long time. I admit I don't always buy
    >>>organic, but if it's about the same cost, I do. (COSTCO has some
    >>>really good organic hamburger- in one pound sizes, that I do prefer,
    >>>and when I see it, I buy plenty.)

    >>
    >>
    >>So you're saying the beef was organic? Did the farmer not inoculate his herd
    >>from diseases?

    >
    >Basically, Yes.
    >http://www.ota.com/organic/foodsafety/OrganicBeef.html
    >
    >Ross.


    Thanks Ross. I assumed so but did not take the time to research and
    argue back.

    aloha,
    Cea

  19. #19
    Cindy Hamilton Guest

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    On Jul 31, 7:47*pm, "U.N." <blahbleh...@hotmail.com> wrote:

    > I'm jealous! *In Wisconsin it is 6 months of cold.


    I live in southeast Michigan, which might be a tad warmer than
    Wisconsin, but not a lot. I just Googled, and I don't know
    whereabouts you are, but it seems to be about 10 degrees
    colder in Eau Claire in the winter than it is here in Ann Arbor.
    I see the summers are nearly the same, though. I would still
    call that three months of cold weather, since October and
    March averages are in the 40s. That's perfectly acceptable
    "put on a sweatshirt and work outdoors" weather (provided
    it's dry out).

    I mean 3 months of actual cold weather. December, January, and
    February,
    whose average highs are actually in the low 30s.

    It's just fooling around in November and March (average highs in the
    40s).

    October and May are the best two months here, with average highs in
    the low 60s
    to low 70s, respectively.

    April is "When will the ground dry out so I can get some work done out
    there?"

    The rest of the year it's warm to hot, and I have to force myself to
    go outside
    when I'd rather sit in the air-conditioning and read.

    Cindy Hamilton

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