Thread: Orange roughy

Bob Terwilliger wrote:

> Lou wrote:
>
>> I've got orange roughy thawing for dinner and I think I'd like
>> to deep fry them and make hush puppies.
>
> I'm not generally a tree-hugger and I rarely get preachy, but were you aware
> that orange roughy is endangered?

Is there a "best source" you can provide for a list of endengered species?
What organization is actually the final authority on these? Or can
anybody that loves chihuahuas put up a website about their "endangered"
status and if enough people believe...really believe...they (the
chihuahuas!) will become so?


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On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 19:23:12 -0800, Blinky the Shark
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Bob Terwilliger wrote:
>
>> Lou wrote:
>>
>>> I've got orange roughy thawing for dinner and I think I'd like
>>> to deep fry them and make hush puppies.
>>
>> I'm not generally a tree-hugger and I rarely get preachy, but were you aware
>> that orange roughy is endangered?
>
>Is there a "best source" you can provide for a list of endengered species?
>What organization is actually the final authority on these? Or can
>anybody that loves chihuahuas put up a website about their "endangered"
>status and if enough people believe...really believe...they (the
>chihuahuas!) will become so?

This site was brought to my attention when I posted a shark steak
(oops) recipe on my blog.

Seems sharks are endangered also, so please be careful Blinky.

http://www.mbayaq.org/cr/seafoodwatch.asp

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Nancy Young wrote:

>
> "Blinky the Shark" <[email protected]> wrote
>
>> Bob Terwilliger wrote:
>>
>>> Lou wrote:
>>>
>>>> I've got orange roughy thawing for dinner and I think I'd like
>>>> to deep fry them and make hush puppies.
>>>
>>> I'm not generally a tree-hugger and I rarely get preachy, but were you
>>> aware
>>> that orange roughy is endangered?
>>
>> Is there a "best source" you can provide for a list of endengered species?
>> What organization is actually the final authority on these? Or can
>> anybody that loves chihuahuas put up a website about their "endangered"
>> status and if enough people believe...really believe...they (the
>> chihuahuas!) will become so?
>
> The problem with orange roughy is that they don't mate until
> they are years old. I wouldn't buy it, it is endangered.

Cite, please. No, not a blog. An actual authority, as I requested.
Again -- where are the authorities for endangered species?

Sure, anybody can make one of these:

http://www.endangeredfishalliance.org/orangeroughy.htm

They list four fish.

I'm not arguing that the orange roughy is not endangered. I honestly
don't know. But it seems odd that my usual chain supermarket is selling
it. That's why I'm asking for something more authoritative than what I've
found so far.


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On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 22:07:29 -0800, Blinky the Shark wrote:

> I'm not arguing that the orange roughy is not endangered. I honestly
> don't know. But it seems odd that my usual chain supermarket is selling
> it. That's why I'm asking for something more authoritative than what I've
> found so far.

CostCo has always sold it as well.

I do see articles that a endangered status was planned after some
tree-hugging group complained, but I don't see anything that made
it official.

I would think endangering/banning geoduck clams would come before
roughy.

-sw

On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 22:42:48 -0800, Blinky the Shark wrote:

> Afterthought: I'm not trying to be a hard-ass, here -- honest. But my
> thinking is that if there are *laws* about taking endangered species (from
> woodpeckers to tigers, not just fish), they must be based on something
> more organizationally authoritative than a local aquarium, however groovy
> that local aquarium is. "You are sentenced to 3 years of community
> service for keeping that blue-footed lake trout, because the Lake
> Winnebago Aquarium says they're endangered", doesn't seem probable.
> So I'm just looking for what that real authority might be.

http://www.fws.gov/Endangered/wildlife.html

-sw

On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 23:02:43 -0800, Blinky the Shark wrote:

> Sqwertz wrote:
>
>> I would think endangering/banning geoduck clams would come before
>> roughy.
>
> http://zapatopi.net/treeoctopus/

I'm sure land sharks are on the endangered list, too.

-sw

In article <[email protected] .net>,
Blinky the Shark <[email protected]> wrote:

> Bob Terwilliger wrote:
>
> > Lou wrote:
> >
> >> I've got orange roughy thawing for dinner and I think I'd like
> >> to deep fry them and make hush puppies.
> >
> > I'm not generally a tree-hugger and I rarely get preachy, but were you
> > aware
> > that orange roughy is endangered?
>
> Is there a "best source" you can provide for a list of endengered species?
> What organization is actually the final authority on these? Or can
> anybody that loves chihuahuas put up a website about their "endangered"
> status and if enough people believe...really believe...they (the
> chihuahuas!) will become so?

Here's the New Zealand list:

http://www.forestandbird.org.nz/best...cies/index.asp

Miche

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"Nancy Young" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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>
> "Blinky the Shark" <[email protected]> wrote
>
>> Bob Terwilliger wrote:
>>
>>> Lou wrote:
>>>
>>>> I've got orange roughy thawing for dinner and I think I'd like
>>>> to deep fry them and make hush puppies.
>>>
>>> I'm not generally a tree-hugger and I rarely get preachy, but were you
>>> aware
>>> that orange roughy is endangered?
>>
>> Is there a "best source" you can provide for a list of endengered
>> species?
>> What organization is actually the final authority on these? Or can
>> anybody that loves chihuahuas put up a website about their "endangered"
>> status and if enough people believe...really believe...they (the
>> chihuahuas!) will become so?
>
> The problem with orange roughy is that they don't mate until
> they are years old. I wouldn't buy it, it is endangered.
>
> nancy
I was very surprised to see orange roughy back on menus and in grocery
stores. Every store I knew couldn't get it anymore because it was
classified as endangered. Sorry, no citations, just what I recall from the
news.

Jill

Miche wrote:

> In article <[email protected] .net>,
> Blinky the Shark <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Bob Terwilliger wrote:
>>
>> > Lou wrote:
>> >
>> >> I've got orange roughy thawing for dinner and I think I'd like
>> >> to deep fry them and make hush puppies.
>> >
>> > I'm not generally a tree-hugger and I rarely get preachy, but were you
>> > aware
>> > that orange roughy is endangered?
>>
>> Is there a "best source" you can provide for a list of endengered species?
>> What organization is actually the final authority on these? Or can
>> anybody that loves chihuahuas put up a website about their "endangered"
>> status and if enough people believe...really believe...they (the
>> chihuahuas!) will become so?
>
> Here's the New Zealand list:
>
> http://www.forestandbird.org.nz/best...cies/index.asp

Thanks, Miche.

It's interesting that while they rank it as one of the worst fish to use,
their warnings don't contain the word "endangered". This looks like more
of the grey area I found online before I asked for an actual authority on
endangered species -- like many of the casual warnings I found online.
Which is what prompted me to ask about an authority on "endangered
species".

Wertz provided a link to a US governmental site that contains almost 600
endangered species around the world.


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Pixmaker wrote:

> I recall reading (somewhere) that Orange Roughy was considered a
> "nuisance fish" or a "junk fish" having no commercial value. In fact,
> I believe Auistralians called it a "slimehead."
>
> And then—a name change!
>
> This may not be true but it's an interesting story.

I've seen several stories on the plague of asian carp in local rivers.
Not only do they out-compete indigenous species, they also have the
alarming habit of going airborn when startled, with numerous collisions
between boaters and large fish reported.

The commercial market for these fish is pretty limited. One proposal
was to sell them to the state prisons to feed to inmates. Another canny
fellow suggested re-naming the species "silver salmon", at which point
they'd be able to charge a fortune for them.

On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 18:57:50 -0800, "Bob Terwilliger"
<virtualgoth@die_spammer.biz> wrote:

>Lou wrote:
>
>> I've got orange roughy thawing for dinner and I think I'd like
>> to deep fry them and make hush puppies.
>
>I'm not generally a tree-hugger and I rarely get preachy, but were you aware
>that orange roughy is endangered?
>
>Bob

i think that particular orange roughy has gone beyond endangered.

your pal,
blake

On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 19:23:12 -0800, Blinky the Shark
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Bob Terwilliger wrote:
>
>> Lou wrote:
>>
>>> I've got orange roughy thawing for dinner and I think I'd like
>>> to deep fry them and make hush puppies.
>>
>> I'm not generally a tree-hugger and I rarely get preachy, but were you aware
>> that orange roughy is endangered?
>
>Is there a "best source" you can provide for a list of endengered species?
>What organization is actually the final authority on these? Or can
>anybody that loves chihuahuas put up a website about their "endangered"
>status and if enough people believe...really believe...they (the
>chihuahuas!) will become so?

it's hard to get bonobo meat these days.

your pal,
blake

On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 23:22:02 -0800, Blinky the Shark
<[email protected]> wrote:

>Sqwertz wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 23:02:43 -0800, Blinky the Shark wrote:
>>
>>> Sqwertz wrote:
>>>
>>>> I would think endangering/banning geoduck clams would come before
>>>> roughy.
>>>
>>> http://zapatopi.net/treeoctopus/
>>
>> I'm sure land sharks are on the endangered list, too.
>
>Shhhhh. We categorically deny their existence......

i don't mind land sharks, but i wish they'd stay out of the
handicapped spaces.

your pal,
blake

Sky wrote on Fri, 29 Feb 2008 11:18:49 -0600:


S> And to confuse the issue even further, perhaps some fish get
S> mislabeled. For example, a lot of 'red snapper' listed in
S> sushi restaurants' menus tend to actually be 'talapia' and
S> not even true red snapper. Whether or not it's the
S> restaurant scamming their patrons or the distributors
S> scamming the restaurants, it wasn't clear. This expose' was
S> something I saw on one of the main TV networks' (ABC, NBC,
S> or CBS) news show(s). But as with anything seen on TV or
S> read in general, I don't know how true this is or isn't.

I've never thought of "red snapper" as one of my favorite sushi
fishes. I can't say whether or not tilapia is substituted but I
don't like cooked tilapia much. I've even had it fished out of a
tank and cooked then and there in a Chinese restautant but I
can't say I'd bother again. Incidentally, for those without sea
access, tilapia is a fast growing fish that the Chinese used to
raise while the rice paddies were flooded, I believe.

James Silverton
Potomac, Maryland

E-mail, with obvious alterations:
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>
> I don't think the Monterey Aquarium, while probably knowledgeable, is
> the authority on endangered species, which is what I requested.

I've looked but can't seem to find orange roughy on any of the .gov sites
I've visited. Is there even a comprehensive list out there? I don't know
where else to look. Google has not been a real big help.

Michael

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On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 18:57:50 -0800, "Bob Terwilliger"
<virtualgoth@die_spammer.biz> wrote:

>Lou wrote:
>
>> I've got orange roughy thawing for dinner and I think I'd like
>> to deep fry them and make hush puppies.
>
>I'm not generally a tree-hugger and I rarely get preachy, but were you aware
>that orange roughy is endangered?
>
>Bob

I didn't know that. But it sure is an interesting tread. <eg>

Lou

Nancy Young wrote:

>
> "Blinky the Shark" <[email protected]> wrote
>
>> Nancy Young wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> "Blinky the Shark" <[email protected]> wrote
>>>
>>>> Bob Terwilliger wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Lou wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I've got orange roughy thawing for dinner and I think I'd like
>>>>>> to deep fry them and make hush puppies.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm not generally a tree-hugger and I rarely get preachy, but were you
>>>>> aware
>>>>> that orange roughy is endangered?
>>>>
>>>> Is there a "best source" you can provide for a list of endengered
>>>> species?
>>>> What organization is actually the final authority on these? Or can
>>>> anybody that loves chihuahuas put up a website about their "endangered"
>>>> status and if enough people believe...really believe...they (the
>>>> chihuahuas!) will become so?
>>>
>>> The problem with orange roughy is that they don't mate until
>>> they are years old. I wouldn't buy it, it is endangered.
>>
>> Cite, please. No, not a blog. An actual authority, as I requested.
>> Again -- where are the authorities for endangered species?
>
> I used endangered in the generic sense, not the legal sense. This
> wikipekia entry uses better words.

That would explain why nobody's produced an actual cite that it is an
actual endangered species. Thanks for getting back on this.

> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orange_roughy

I've been looking up orange roughys until I'm blue in the face; I'll
assume that that's like all the others, which warn of a predicament for
the species without using the established term "endangered".


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Kathleen wrote:

> Pixmaker wrote:
>
>> I recall reading (somewhere) that Orange Roughy was considered a
>> "nuisance fish" or a "junk fish" having no commercial value. In fact,
>> I believe Auistralians called it a "slimehead."
>>
>> And then-a name change!
>>
>> This may not be true but it's an interesting story.
>
> I've seen several stories on the plague of asian carp in local rivers.
> Not only do they out-compete indigenous species, they also have the
> alarming habit of going airborn when startled, with numerous collisions
> between boaters and large fish reported.
>
> The commercial market for these fish is pretty limited. One proposal
> was to sell them to the state prisons to feed to inmates. Another canny
> fellow suggested re-naming the species "silver salmon", at which point
> they'd be able to charge a fortune for them.

I've been eating basa lately -- great taste and $3.99US a pound as a
regular price at my mundane supermarket. I find that they're considered a
threat by USan catfish producers. The don't look like any catfish I've
seen, but apparently they've been marketed here as catfish (which they're
called in Viet Nam, from which they're imported). Politics aside, I
recommend them. Yum.


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Sky wrote:

> Blinky the Shark wrote:
>>
>> Miche wrote:
>>
>> > In article <[email protected] .net>,
>> > Blinky the Shark <[email protected]> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Bob Terwilliger wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > Lou wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> I've got orange roughy thawing for dinner and I think I'd like
>> >> >> to deep fry them and make hush puppies.
>> >> >
>> >> > I'm not generally a tree-hugger and I rarely get preachy, but were you
>> >> > aware
>> >> > that orange roughy is endangered?
>> >>
>> >> Is there a "best source" you can provide for a list of endengered species?
>> >> What organization is actually the final authority on these? Or can
>> >> anybody that loves chihuahuas put up a website about their "endangered"
>> >> status and if enough people believe...really believe...they (the
>> >> chihuahuas!) will become so?
>> >
>> > Here's the New Zealand list:
>> >
>> > http://www.forestandbird.org.nz/best...cies/index.asp
>>
>> Thanks, Miche.
>>
>> It's interesting that while they rank it as one of the worst fish to use,
>> their warnings don't contain the word "endangered". This looks like more
>> of the grey area I found online before I asked for an actual authority on
>> endangered species -- like many of the casual warnings I found online.
>> Which is what prompted me to ask about an authority on "endangered
>> species".
>>
>> Wertz provided a link to a US governmental site that contains almost 600
>> endangered species around the world.
>>
>> --
>> Blinky
>
>
> And to confuse the issue even further, perhaps some fish get
> mislabeled. For example, a lot of 'red snapper' listed in sushi
> restaurants' menus tend to actually be 'talapia' and not even true red
> snapper. Whether or not it's the restaurant scamming their patrons or

I did not know that. But I just posted a reply to an article from
Kathleen that mentioned basa -- which apparently used to be marketed here
in the US as a kind of catfish, until the US catfish farmers got some kind
of protection for the name. Or maybe that was settled without the suit
going through. Or whatever.

> Sky, who's landlocked too far from any ocean

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