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RennTech.org Forums _ 997 Series (Carrera, Carrera 4, Carrera 2S,
Carrera 4S) _ Nav-TV Bluetooth Adapter for 997 Posted by: JFR0317 on
Sep 28 2007, 02:21 PM I have just had a "Release Candidate"
prototype Bluetooth adapter from NAV-TV installed in my 07 C2S. It
connects into the MOST ring just as do the NAV-TV iPod adapter and
Sirius satellite radio adapter that I previously had installed. The
Bluetooth adapter allows control of a Bluetooth cell phone via the
PCM's buttons and knobs, including initiating and answering calls
using the "lift handset" button at the upper left of the
PCM, hanging up via the "end call" button just to the right
of that, dialing calls via the PCM numeric keypad, syncing the cell
phone's phonebook such that it is accessible through the PCM,
making calls from the synced phonebook, displaying incoming caller
information on the PCM screen, muting the radio or CD during calls,
etc. Call quality is excellent, as is the sound through the car's
main speaker system.The only flaw I have found with my adapter's
software version is that it doesn't sync the cell phone's
entire phonebook, just the first 60 or so entries. NAV-TV has just
shipped me an updated adapter based on my feedback which should
correct this one issue. I have paired both an iPhone and a Blackberry
8700 with the NAV-TV adapter with no other issues than the partial
phonebook transfer. When I get the new adapter installed next week,
I'll post whether or not it has cured this problem.NAV-TV tells me
the final version of the adapter should be ready for formal release
through retail channels within the next month.I had
http://www.chinese-microphone.com/OEM-MIC.html my Bluetooth adapter,
as well as my satellite radio adapter and iPod adapter, installed by
Custom Car Stereo in Houston, who did their usual excellent job. The
Bluetooth adapter installation took well less than an hour.I also
posted this information at rennlist.com and 6speedonline.com but
thought it might be of interest here as well. Posted by: Popolou on
Sep 29 2007, 02:34 AM Could you explain how the device operates with
the PCM if it doesn't utilise the telephone module? Is it as i
suspect that enabling the PCM for the phone as per the cd changer for
the MP3 functionality is required from the dealers?This could be
interesting.RegardsPopolou Posted by: 997C2SCab on Sep 30 2007, 11:40
AM First, thanks for the post. This is the solution for two of three
of the upgrades I want to make to my 997.I just got a 2006 997 without
the Phone module and I have been searching for a bluetooth solution
(since the dealer wants $1800+installation for the OEM Phone
Module - does $2k+ for a cell phone seem rediculous to anyone
else?) Anyway, this looks like exactly the solution I am looking for
since I have also been looking into a solution for an integrated
iPod.I have 2 questions:1. Where does the phone mic come from? Does
the bluetooth adapter come with one that needs to be installed or does
the car already have one wired that doesn't work until you install
the Phone Module (or this bluetooth solution)?2. What Nav-Tv model
number do I need? Thanks in advance. Posted by: JFR0317 on Oct 1 2007,
05:22 AM QUOTE(997C2SCab @ Sep 30 2007, 02:40 PM) First,
thanks for the post. This is the solution for two of three of the
upgrades I want to make to my 997.I just got a 2006 997 without the
Phone module and I have been searching for a bluetooth solution (since
the dealer wants $1800+installation for the OEM Phone Module -
does $2k+ for a cell phone seem rediculous to anyone else?)
Anyway, this looks like exactly the solution I am looking for since I
have also been looking into a solution for an integrated iPod.I have 2
questions:1. Where does the phone mic come from? Does the bluetooth
adapter come with one that needs to be installed or does the car
already have one wired that doesn't work until you install the
Phone Module (or this bluetooth solution)?2. What Nav-Tv model number
do I need? Thanks in advance.1. The Nav-TV kit comes with a
microphone. My installer mounted it on the driver's side of the
overhead console that houses the reading lights and Homelink buttons.
It could be mounted in the steering column under the right hand grill,
but my installer said from his experience with installing mics for
various other Bluetooth kits that the location he used for me worked
more effectively.2. My prototype is called the "Tooki - P".
I understand that Nav-TV plans to have the finished product available
for sale late this month (Oct.). Posted by: JFR0317 on Oct 1 2007,
05:26 AM QUOTE(Popolou @ Sep 29 2007, 05:34 AM) Could you
explain how the device operates with the PCM if it doesn't utilise
the telephone module? Is it as i suspect that enabling the PCM for the
phone as per the cd changer for the MP3 functionality is required from
the dealers?This could be interesting.RegardsPopolouMine worked
without having to go to the dealer first to have him "enter"
the device into the PCM via his PIWIS. The Nav-TV device emulates the
factory GSM module and connects into the PCM via the MOST fiber optic
ring in a similar manner to the way the factory CD changer or
aftermarket iPod adapters do. There are further descriptions of how it
works along with some screen shots in a thread I started over at
6speedonline. Posted by: red_smeg on Oct 6 2007, 07:53 AM Hi,How
Much.....?Why does it not use the stnd microphone in the car ??the Nav-
tV site has nothing on this do you have a link (i saw the post on
6speed) Posted by: JFR0317 on Oct 8 2007, 05:40 AM QUOTE(red_smeg
@ Oct 6 2007, 10:53 AM) Hi,How Much.....?Why does it not use
the stnd microphone in the car ??the Nav-tV site has nothing on this
do you have a link (i saw the post on 6speed)Hi, Nav-TV has not
released a retail price yet. There is a blurb on their website saying
bluetooth integration is coming soon, but nothing else yet. The screen
shots posted in the thread on 6speedonline are about the best info I
have seen published.It probably could use the standard microphone from
a non-Bose equipped car, but the Bose system uses the standard
microphone to assess ambient noise in the car and then apply
compensation to the Bose stereo music output. On cars equipped with
Bose and the factory phone option, they use a different microphone
which has four wires (two for Bose and two for the factory phone).
That would probably work with the Nav-TV Bluetooth module, or
alternatively, you could probably put the Nav-TV microphone under the
other grill on the steering column (left one as you sit in the car has
the factory microphone under it, right one is just a dummy grill). I
had mine put where it is on the advice of my installer who said in his
experience, it should work better from there. Posted by: 997C2SCab on
Oct 8 2007, 08:29 AM JFR0317 - I have to tell you that you have been,
by far, the most informative resource on this subject out of anyone I
have had communications with, including the guys from Nav-TV. I am
definately going to get this setup installed the minute it is
available. I have been trying to prepare my local installer in advance
so I can get an accurate quote for labor. BTW - They are called
Benchmark Motoring in Bellevue, WA and were recommended by my Porsche
Dealer. So far, they have been great about researching and getting
back to me.Anyway, to the point, am I a little confused and perhaps
not understanding you correctly. Based on you last post, it sounds
like you're saying that since I have the Premium Bose system I
already have a microphone in my car even though I do not have the
phone module option? In other words, I will not need to have the mic
that comes with the Tooki kit installed and can use the mic for the
Bose system? Posted by: JFR0317 on Oct 9 2007, 06:16 AM
QUOTE(997C2SCab @ Oct 8 2007, 11:29 AM) JFR0317 - I have to
tell you that you have been, by far, the most informative resource on
this subject out of anyone I have had communications with, including
the guys from Nav-TV. I am definately going to get this setup
installed the minute it is available. I have been trying to prepare my
local installer in advance so I can get an accurate quote for labor.
BTW - They are called Benchmark Motoring in Bellevue, WA and were
recommended by my Porsche Dealer. So far, they have been great about
researching and getting back to me.Anyway, to the point, am I a little
confused and perhaps not understanding you correctly. Based on you
last post, it sounds like you're saying that since I have the
Premium Bose system I already have a microphone in my car even though
I do not have the phone module option? In other words, I will not need
to have the mic that comes with the Tooki kit installed and can use
the mic for the Bose system?As I understand it from reading the
Porsche TSB for retrofitting the factory phone s

ystem, the microphone that comes with the Bose system on cars that do
not have the factory phone installed is replaced by a different
microphone (Part Number 997.646.307.01) that connects to both the Bose
system and to the phone module. Therefore, I do not think you could
use your existing microphone since it needs to be connected to the
Bose for the ambient noise sensing.My installer says that you can
install an aftermarket microphone under the "dummy" grill on
the right top side of the steering column (the factory microphone is
under the left grill). However, he says that he has had better luck
with outgoing voice quality with putting the microphone on the left
side of the overhead console where he put mine. It really isn't
very obtrusive there, and it does work very well. Posted by: JAudio on
Oct 10 2007, 04:04 PM Hey everyone, i work at La Jolla Audio in san
diego california.. and just to let you know... YES, NAV-YV is soon to
release this BT kit. i have worked on the 997s quite extensively.. and
i have found that for factory PCM, nav-tv has come out with quite a
few great integration parts. i expect that once this piece comes out,
it will become very popular. if you have any technical questions about
this unit, or any other integration units (iPod, back up camera, XM or
sirius, video input, or another reliable BT unit) please call us. you
can google our number, or go to www.LaJollaAudio.com. we can also do
touchscreen navigation Posted by: tmc on Oct 17 2007, 02:52 PM Got my
TOOKI today and will have it installed tomorrow in my Targa
4S!I'll report back on how it goes.tmc Posted by: tmc on Oct
17 2007, 02:55 PM And the price per module was $750 Posted by:
997C2SCab on Oct 17 2007, 03:08 PM QUOTE (tmc @ Oct 17 2007,
03:55 PM) And the price per module was $750I had my installer
order the Tooki last week along with the Dension Gateway 500 for my
iPod. The Dension aparently does everything the Nav-TV product (OPi-P)
does and more. Most importantly to me - it is updatable via a USB
memory stick rather that having to replace the hardware. That sold me.
Thanks for including the price you paid for the Tooki because that is
what I had to pay too and I thought I might be getting over charged
for it. I too will share my experience once it comes in and is
installed. Posted by: tmc on Oct 17 2007, 04:38 PM QUOTE (997C2SCab
@ Oct 17 2007, 07:08 PM) I had my installer order the Tooki
last week along with the Dension Gateway 500 for my iPod. The Dension
aparently does everything the Nav-TV product (OPi-P) does and more.
Most importantly to me - it is updatable via a USB memory stick rather
that having to replace the hardware. That sold me.Had the Dension in
another car (a 987S) and it was "ok" for iPod use. I found
the user interface clunky, but I have no proof that the Nav-TV would
be any different. The bluetooth module to the Dension was crap,
though. It treated a call as though it were a CD playing. You had to
switch modes to CD changer mode to answer. Very bizarre.tmc Posted by:
tmc on Oct 19 2007, 05:03 PM Got the car back today:Overall, WOW this
works just like having a Tequipment phone module!However, I
wasn't able to pair my HTC Windows Mobile 6 phone. It just hung
after I entered the four-digit security code during the BT handshake.
I was able to pair both my old Blackberry Perl http://www.chinese-microphone.com/OEM-MIC.html
and my wife's Motorola PEBL. So my guess is that, if you have Moto
or Blackberry branded phones, you'll be fine.I have yet to try my
Treo 750, but I'll report back once I do.tmc Posted by: tmc on Oct
19 2007, 07:07 PM Ok, confirmed: both my Treo Windows Mobile 5 PDA and
my HTC S710 Vox Smartphone hang when trying to pair with the
TOOKI.Again, no problems with the Blackberry 8100 or the Moto PEBL.tmc
Posted by: Popolou on Oct 20 2007, 12:54 AM This is very cool. TMC,
any chance you can confirm: -1. SOS button, does it now work?2. Mail/
SMS. This could be restricted due to carrier but if you were using a
GSM mobile, can you compile sms messages and send/receive them through
the PCM now?3. Where did you have the unit installed?Many thanks,Pop
Posted by: tmc on Oct 20 2007, 07:37 PM QUOTE (Popolou @ Oct 20
2007, 04:54 AM) This is very cool. TMC, any chance you can
confirm: -1. SOS button, does it now work?2. Mail/SMS. This could be
restricted due to carrier but if you were using a GSM mobile, can you
compile sms messages and send/receive them through the PCM now?3.
Where did you have the unit installed?1. SOS works2. SMS doesn't
seem to work, but the documentation says that it works for some
phones3. My dealer, cost $100. But the install is relatively
simple: there's a connector that goes to the back of the PCM2 head
unit and a fibre optic cable to add to the MOST loop. Posted by:
Popolou on Oct 21 2007, 01:10 AM QUOTE (tmc @ Oct 21 2007,
04:37 AM) QUOTE (Popolou @ Oct 20 2007, 04:54 AM) This is
very cool. TMC, any chance you can confirm: -1. SOS button, does it
now work?2. Mail/SMS. This could be restricted due to carrier but if
you were using a GSM mobile, can you compile sms messages and send/
receive them through the PCM now?3. Where did you have the unit
installed?1. SOS works2. SMS doesn't seem to work, but the
documentation says that it works for some phones3. My dealer, cost
$100. But the install is relatively simple: there's a
connector that goes to the back of the PCM2 head unit and a fibre
optic cable to add to the MOST loop.Lol, i meant where on the car did
the installers located the unit? Cheers,Pop Posted by: tmc on Oct 21
2007, 05:46 AM It's a small box and goes behind the PCM2 head
unit. Posted by: 997C2SCab on Oct 21 2007, 08:39 AM QUOTE (tmc @
Oct 17 2007, 05:38 PM) QUOTE (997C2SCab @ Oct 17 2007,
07:08 PM) I had my installer order the Tooki last week along with
the Dension Gateway 500 for my iPod. The Dension aparently does
everything the Nav-TV product (OPi-P) does and more. Most importantly
to me - it is updatable via a USB memory stick rather that having to
replace the hardware. That sold me.Had the Dension in another car (a
987S) and it was "ok" for iPod use. I found the user
interface clunky, but I have no proof that the Nav-TV would be any
different. The bluetooth module to the Dension was crap, though. It
treated a call as though it were a CD playing. You had to switch modes
to CD changer mode to answer. Very bizarre.tmcThat's interesting.
What type of clunkiness specifically? I still have 10 days until my
install date. Is there a specific question I should ask my installer
about?I was originally going to have the Nav-TV unit installed but my
installer has installed both and insisted the Dension was the better
unit. I made him a list of everything I wanted (like OEM look/feel,
Search by artist/track/album, charges the iPod, powers it off, etc)
and he says it does it all and more so I went with the Dension. I have
seen screenshots online of how the browsing looks and from what i can
tell it is just like browsing the CD changer. I think that is about
the only feature I'll be using regularly and from what I can tell
it doesn't SEEM to be any clunkier than the PCM already is.
We'll see.I also just found this which leads me to believe I made
the right choice. USB updates are a huge plus.http://
forums.roadfly.com/forums/porsche/porsche_cayenne/8516283-1.html
Posted by: tmc on Oct 21 2007, 09:22 AM QUOTE (997C2SCab @ Oct 21
2007, 12:39 PM) QUOTE (tmc @ Oct 17 2007, 05:38 PM) QUOTE
(997C2SCab @ Oct 17 2007, 07:08 PM) I had my installer order
the Tooki last week along with the Dension Gateway 500 for my iPod.
The Dension aparently does everything the Nav-TV product (OPi-P) does
and more. Most importantly to me - it is updatable via a USB memory
stick rather that having to replace the hardware. That sold me.Had the
Dension in another car (a 987S) and it was "ok" for iPod
use. I found the user interface clunky, but I have no proof that the
Nav-TV would be any different. The bluetooth module to the Dension was
crap, though. It treated a call as though it were a CD playing. You
had to switch modes to CD changer mode to answer. Very
bizarre.tmcThat's interesting. What type of clunkiness
specifically? I still have 10 days until my install date. Is there a
specific question I should ask my installer about?Let's see if I
can remember: it had you hold down the FF (>>) button to select
anything. Furthermore, you had several states that were non-obvious.
It was annoying in that, whenever it was confused, it would play the
first song on your iPod (Aaron Aardvark's Greatest Hits kind of
thing).The bluetooth interface was downright silly, as I said. The
TOOKI is far, far better.There was a long thread on Rennlist about the
Dension, I think in the 997 forum (sorry no time to look it up, gotta
run).tmc Posted by: The Caped Crusader on Nov 4 2007, 04:05 AM There
now appears to be an update on the Nav-Tv website. They've also
got a link to the user manual now as well.http://www.navtv.com/
products_usa_bluetooth_tooki.php Posted by: fgv1it on Nov 21 2007,
07:20 PM JFR0317, Thank you for posting your experience with the TOOKI
bt adapter. I had been looking for a well-integrated aftermarket unit,
and thanks to your info, I now have satellite radio as well as bt
telephone in my car, an '06 C2S Cab. I live in Houston, so I went
to Custom Car Stereo as well. Very good service. The units work great,
just as advertised, and the look and feel of the system is very much
"OEM". Once again, thanks. Posted by: tmc on Nov 26 2007,
05:33 AM I'm really happy with this thing.Note to all that
it's available from http://tinyurl.com/2tf4xjAlthough I paid
someone to install it on my 997, I installed it myself on my
wife's Cayenne.If people are interested, I'll post a DIY.
It's a 30 minute job, tops. (Wish I hadn't paid $220 for
the 997's install... )tmc Posted by: Nick_USA on Nov 26 2007,
06:54 AM QUOTE (tmc @ Nov 26 2007, 08:33 AM) I'm really
happy with this thing.Note to all that it's available from
http://tinyurl.com/2tf4xjAlthough I paid someone to install it on my
997, I installed it myself on my wife's Cayenne.If people are
interested, I'll post a DIY. It's a 30 minute job, tops. (Wish
I hadn't paid $220 for the 997's install... )tmcI'm
always interested in saving money and avoiding the dealers, so post
away. Posted by: 997C2SCab on Nov 26 2007, 09:54 AM I have had my
Dension and Tooki units installed and some time to get used to them.
For the most part they are OK but neither is without it own short-
comings. Perhaps there is a way around them or I am missing something
since neither come with instruction manual worth the paper they are
printed on. If anyone has any advice/tips/comments on what I might try
or be doing wrong, please share. The issues that people should know
before installing are as followsension Gateway 500: There is no way
to take the search path Artist>Album>Song. This is really lame. If you
search by artist, you get every song by that artist in the track list.
There is no way (that I can find) to get a list only of albums by a
particular artist. Since this is how I select music 90% of the time on
my iPod, this is a big pain point for me. The other big pain point is
the load time. It takes my unit 30 seconds to load. For example, if
you do a "Search by Artist" you get a list of the artist
names on your ipod. Once you select one, it starts to play the first
track. If you press the next button (>>) at that point it goes to the
next artist, not the next song as you would expect. You have to wait
30+ seconds for all of the artist's tracks to load before the next
button goes to the next track instead of the next artist. While this
may seem minor, when you are driving and trying skip a song you
don't like, a 30 second wait is a huge pain. Next time you are
channel surfing on your radio while driving, try waiting 30 seconds on
a song/station you don't want to listen to. It will seem like
forever. The wait time could be different depending on whether you
have more or less music on you iPod. I have about 250 albums on
mine.Tooki:For the most part, the Tooki works very well. It didn't
download the phonebook when I paired it with my BlackJack phone but it
works with my iPhone and my wife's Razr. The only real issue, and
this is a big one, it only grabs one number for a particular contact.
This is sooooooo annoying! For example, if I have a home number,
work number, and a cell number for a particular contact, the phonebook
only gets one of the numbers. This virtually makes the phonebook
feature worthless in my opinion. If I can't use the phonebook to
locate/dial the number I need, what good is it? Also, you cannot add/
edit your contacts via the PCM2 unit but this is not a big deal IMO.
In short, the units DO allow you to listen to an iPod and use a cell
phone via the PCM2 but they are in no way integrated in a way that
makes them work as if they were OEM. The Tooki unit is close but not
all of the way there. The Dension unit in particular is very awkward
and unituitive. There is no way someone could just pick it up and
figure out how to use it to do what they want without much trial and
error and confusion. Posted by: fgv1it on Nov 26 2007, 06:27 PM
997C2SCab,Afer reading your post above, I went out to the garage and
tried the phonebook feature of t

he TOOKI. My unit downloads all the phone numbers for a contact. The
only shortcoming is that there's no indication of which number is
home, or cell, or work, etc. I see the contact name, and the phone
number itself. One possible way around this is to include the phone
number type in the contact name. Posted by: tmc on Nov 26 2007, 08:53
PM QUOTE (fgv1it @ Nov 26 2007, 09:27 PM) 997C2SCab,Afer
reading your post above, I went out to the garage and tried the
phonebook feature of the TOOKI. My unit downloads all the phone
numbers for a contact. The only shortcoming is that there's no
indication of which number is home, or cell, or work, etc. I see the
contact name, and the phone number itself. One possible way around
this is to include the phone number type in the contact name.It
depends on the phone.Sadly, bluetooth is a physical link-level
protocol, not an application-level protocol. There are no standards at
the ap level and each manufacturer does it slightly differently.
However, I know that Nav-TV is actively working on upgraded firmware.
One cool thing is that the firmware is upgradeable via bluetooth.
Unlike the dension, you don't have to jank it out or put in a
flash stick. Run a program on a bluetooth enabled laptop and badda-
bing, badda-boom, you're done. Posted by: tmc on Nov 26 2007,
09:03 PM Ok how to do the install:First,
http://www.renntech.org/forums/index...pic=4991Second, behind
the PCM are two connectors, one is (an ISO connector) for the fiber
and one is for the radio power, etc.Nav-TV supplies a male-female
wiring harness that is very convenient: you unclip the radio power
connector, insert the car end into the Nav-TV harness, and insert the
other end back into the PCM.The fiber is not as hard as it seems. You
have to carefully pull a small, blue 'T' out of the connector
using a small jewelers screw driver. Once done, you have to then
remove one of the two fiber cables. Each is held in with a small clip
that, if you pry slightly with aforementioned screwdriver, the cable
will simply come out of the connector.The Nav-TV Tooki is supplied
with a fiber connector populated with one cable. The idea is you
disconnect the 'out' side (there are arrows on the connectors)
of the PCM fiber, attach it to the Nav-TV connector. Before you can
attach the fiber to the NAV-TV connector, you need to disassemble it.
On the non-business side (ie, the side where the fiber is connected),
along the short side, is a clasp. It's hard to see, but it's
there. Use a small-blade screwdriver to release the clasp and get to
the "inner" cable connector. Once you get to this,
you'll see the blue tab. You will need to remove its blue T as
well, and then hook the Nav-TV-supplied cable back into the PCM. So
what comes out of the PCM is now routed to the Nav-TV Tooki, and then
the Tooki routes it back to the car. Be sure to put all of the blue
tabs back and reassemble the inner NAV-TV connector into its shell (it
slides in and snaps in place).You're almost done! Hook up the
power connector from the NAV-TV's wiring harness to the Nav-TV
Tooki control box (easy: just pushes in).Route the microphone cable. I
mounted my microphone on the driver's left side by the top of the
A pillar. I used their supplied clip and also routed the cord with an
old credit card. Then down and across the top of the pedal area (using
wire ties to hold it up) and into the back of the center console area,
connected ultimately to the phono jack in the Tooki.Mounting: I found
I could use some double backed tape and mount the Tooki behind the
PCM. There is gobs of room back there.Push it all back in and reverse
the procedure to remove the PCM.Turn on the head unit and you should
see 'Tooki searching . . ."Set your phone to search for
bluetooth and pair with the device, its pin for me was 6888Then it
will transfer your address book.Finally, try making a call! Now
you're cooking with gas! Posted by: 997C2SCa
http://www.chinese-microphone.com/OEM-MIC.html b on Nov 26 2007, 10:14
PM QUOTE (fgv1it @ Nov 26 2007, 07:27 PM) 997C2SCab,Afer
reading your post above, I went out to the garage and tried the
phonebook feature of the TOOKI. My unit downloads all the phone
numbers for a contact. The only shortcoming is that there's no
indication of which number is home, or cell, or work, etc. I see the
contact name, and the phone number itself. One possible way around
this is to include the phone number type in the contact name.Well
that's interesting. How do you select which number you want for a
particular contact? On mine, each contact/name only shows up once. So
for example, if I have a work, home, and cell number for Joe Schmoe, I
only see one Joe Schmoe entry in the PCM. How do you toggle between
the different numbers for the same contact? Posted by: JFR0317 on Nov
27 2007, 10:20 AM I just updated my Tooki with the new firmware via
Bluetooth, and it seems to have cured my issue of the PCM sometimes
not finding the Tooki when booting up. I am using an iPhone with the
Tooki, and I have the problem of only one phone number per contact
being transferred and the problem of having more than the 255 contacts
that can be transferred. In my case, it transfers the first 255 in
alphabetical order, so my workaround was to add separate contacts for
my most frequently called numbers (home, wife's cell, etc.) and to
assign a name to them such as "A Home" or "A
JPRCell" so that they show up at the top of the list in the Tooki
phonebook. I also discovered that you can program names with numbers
into the PCM address book and have them recognized by the Tooki by
first accessing the address book, selecting a name, and then hitting
the "lift handset" button at the upper lefthand corner of
the PCM. Posted by: larrytrk on Nov 28 2007, 07:31 AM I would still
like to be able to use Voice Activation with a Tooki, like I can with
my Dension Bluetooth! Posted by: JFR0317 on Nov 28 2007, 07:49 AM
Voice activation is indeed a very nice feature. I have a Parrot
Bluetooth kit in one of my other vehicles, and it works great. Since
the Tooki basically tries to emulate the features of the factory phone
option, I'm not optimistic about it getting voice dialing anytime
soon. However, since I only make calls out to a few numbers when
I'm in the 997, lack of voice dialing is not a deal breaker for
me. For someone who makes a lot of calls out, it would be a different
story. Posted by: Popolou on Nov 28 2007, 10:15 AM Actually, the Tooki
is built around a Parrot unit too so it could just be down to the
firmware sometime in the future.Pop Posted by: JFR0317 on Nov 28 2007,
10:37 AM QUOTE (Popolou @ Nov 28 2007, 12:15 PM) Actually,
the Tooki is built around a Parrot unit too so it could just be down
to the firmware sometime in the future.PopYes, you're right about
that, although based on a conversation I had with Nav-TV, it may be
pretty tough to do due to the self-imposed limitation of trying to
stay with the PCM's factory phone interface screens and buttons.
It would be very nice if they can. After all, the Parrot's
firmware can be updated from a Bluetooth-enabled laptop, and now so
can the Tooki. Posted by: bob/ft.worth on Dec 1 2007, 02:10 PM
Installed the tooki today. Works like a charm. my address book
contains about 60 entries and i had access to all. Signal was clear on
both sides of the conversation. Very, very pleased. Use the PCM
buttons to dial, the call/haang-up buttons to make and end calls. All
intergated and you almost wouldn't know you were using
BluetoothAdd these notes to TMC's install instructions(ps... there
are NO install instructions with the unit)Carpet piece Torx
27Leatherette trim panels Torx 20Locking bolt on passenger side 7mmThe
1/4 turn locking 'bolts' are VERY easy to turn with a 5mm hex
wrench. Like 1 ftlb easy, so just give them a light twist. NOTE: the
upper one on the drivers side is tough to get to. You kinda do it by
feel using a 5mm allen wrench. (the lower dashboard trim is in the
way. But I got it done on the first try.Don't forget the 7mm
locking bolt on the pass side.So what stumped me? It was the fiber
connector supplied by Nav-TV. The one fiber cable comes pre-made with
a connector on the end to plug into the tooki. You have to insert one
of the cables from the car into this connector. Well it's a little
different and took me 10 minutes to figure out. Usually the fiber
connectors have a small blue pin you pull out. This one is actually a
two-piece connector. On one side of the connector is a small piece of
plastic. Slip a very small screwdriver in between the main housing and
the piece of plastic. That will release the inner 'barrel' so
you can insert the fiber cable. Low an behold, there is the little
blue "T" pin,I placed the Tooki directly behind the PCM.
There is a narrow gap between the rear-most bracket where it fits
perfectly. I'd added some velco to keep it from rattling. Just
make sure all the cabling is out of the way. There is just enough room
to fit it.Mic: The mic was placed by the sunroof console. A constant
pain for me is running any wire along the upper windshield without it
falling down all the time. This time I cut some of those styrofoam
peanuts in half and wedged them in; works great.locking bolts just
below the yellow clipsSpace behind PCM; you can see the mic jackThe
connector that baffled me. Here is the inner barrel and outer shellAnd
finally, success Posted by: Nick_USA on Dec 1 2007, 04:26 PM QUOTE
(bob/ft.worth @ Dec 1 2007, 05:10 PM) Installed the tooki
today. Works like a charm. my address book contains about 60 entries
and i had access to all. Signal was clear on both sides of the
conversation. Very, very pleased. Use the PCM buttons to dial, the
call/haang-up buttons to make and end calls. All intergated and you
almost wouldn't know you were using BluetoothDo you have any
photos of the tooki unit itself and what power supply did you wire it
to, switched or constant supply ? Posted by: bob/ft.worth on Dec 1
2007, 04:56 PM tooki pic. Ha! that's the one thing I forgot to
take a pic of. It's a plastic box about 3X7X1. Wiring couldn't
be simpler. They supply a power harness that has connectors that match
the PCM. Disconnect the plug from the PCM, plug that end into the
matching tooki female connector and then plug the other end of the
harness into the PCM. Some wires come off the harness and then that
plug goes into the tooki/ no cutting, no splicing, no soldering,
Posted by: bob/ft.worth on Dec 1 2007, 05:21 PM Here some shots of the
screens showing the cell carrier and signal strength. sorry for the
poor quality of the pics...(ps... the MOST loop was fine with the
tooki. I also have the Dennison GW500/ipod and Porsche Nav in the loop
with the tooki)Main screenPushing the Tel putton gets this screen
Posted by: Nick_USA on Dec 2 2007, 06:32 AM QUOTE (bob/ft.worth @
Dec 1 2007, 08:21 PM) Here some shots of the screens showing the
cell carrier and signal strength. sorry for the poor quality of the
pics...(ps... the MOST loop was fine with the tooki. I also have the
Dennison GW500/ipod and Porsche Nav in the loop with the tooki)Main
screenPushing the Tel putton gets this screenIf you press MAIN and
TRIP together at the same time what does it show?(From the next page)
Also if you then scroll down to the Telephone module and press the
right hand knb what does it then show?Have you also thought about
putting the mic in the steering column where the grill for the stock
mic goes? Posted by: Fskof on Dec 2 2007, 12:27 PM How is the Mic that
comes with the unit? Can people hear you over the road/engine noise?
Posted by: JFR0317 on Dec 2 2007, 12:36 PM QUOTE (Fskof @ Dec 2
2007, 02:27 PM) How is the Mic that comes with the unit? Can
people hear you over the road/engine noise?The microphone that comes
with the Tooki seems to work very well for me, according to feedback
from people I've c

alled from the car. Of course, I have a coupe.On the advice of my
installer, my mic is mounted near the center of the car just to the
left of the Homelink panel above the inside rearview mirror. Posted
by: Nick_USA on Dec 2 2007, 01:34 PM QUOTE (JFR0317 @ Dec 2 2007,
03:36 PM) QUOTE (Fskof @ Dec 2 2007, 02:27 PM) How is the
Mic that comes with the unit? Can people hear you over the road/engine
noise?The microphone that comes with the Tooki seems to work very well
for me, according to feedback from people I've called from the
car. Of course, I have a coupe.On the advice of my installer, my mic
is mounted near the center of the car just to the left of the Homelink
panel above the inside rearview mirror.I assume it would also work in
the 'stock' position. It's just a pain perhaps to remove
the plastic trim around the steering wheel. Posted by: JFR0317 on Dec
2 2007, 02:22 PM QUOTE (Nick_USA @ Dec 2 2007, 03:34 PM)
QUOTE (JFR0317 @ Dec 2 2007, 03:36 PM) QUOTE (Fskof @
Dec 2 2007, 02:27 PM) How is the Mic that comes with the unit? Can
people hear you over the road/engine noise?The microphone that comes
with the Tooki seems to work very well for me, according to feedback
from people I've called from the car. Of course, I have a coupe.On
the advice of my installer, my mic is mounted near the center of the
car just to the left of the Homelink panel above the inside rearview
mirror.I assume it would also work in the 'stock' position.
It's just a pain perhaps to remove the plastic trim around the
steering wheel.It will work in the stock position, but if you have a
Bose sound system, it has a mic there to pick up the ambient noise
level so that it will know how much to co http://www.chinese-microphone.com/OEM-MIC.html
mpensate for in the volume level. With the factory phone option, the
regular Bose mic is replaced with one with two sets of leads, one set
for the Bose and one for the phone. It seems like you could put the
Tooki mic under the corresponding "dummy" opening on the top
of the steering column, but as you said, that would be something of a
chore. Posted by: scuzy on Dec 6 2007, 04:02 PM Any of you that
install this yourself. Do you guys have a DIY with pics guide on
this ? I am about to take on the installation sometimes this next
week.Thanks Posted by: tmc on Dec 6 2007, 04:49 PM QUOTE (scuzy @
Dec 6 2007, 07:02 PM) Any of you that install this yourself. Do
you guys have a DIY with pics guide on this ? I am about to take on
the installation sometimes this next week.Thanksgo back to page 2 of
this thread Posted by: bob/ft.worth on Dec 6 2007, 06:00 PM here are a
couple more install pics...after you remove the carpet piece, remove
the two torx bolts holding the leathette side pieces. Pull up and
straight up and out. A good firm tug will do it.this shot shows the
round hex nuts that secure the pcm to the frametooki wiring harness:
remove pcm plug from unit, plug that into the female tooki plug and
then plug the other end of the harness in the pcm. the purple and red
wires go to the tookiback showing orange fiber cables. the plug has a
push type locking clip on the drivers side. Posted by: scuzy on Dec 13
2007, 09:40 AM Just did the install last night. Tooki and Mobrige took
a total of 20 minutes to install . The other hour was spent on finding
a good location and re installing all the panels. So far i like the
tooki and the mobridge. I'll give more feed back a i work with the
two more. Posted by: tmc on Dec 14 2007, 08:36 PM Some interest in
setting up a group buy. I'd be happy to help. Who is interested?
Posted by: Nick_USA on Dec 15 2007, 06:46 AM QUOTE (tmc @ Dec 14
2007, 11:36 PM) Some interest in setting up a group buy. I'd
be happy to help. Who is interested?...and the price of the group buy
would be? Posted by: tmc on Dec 15 2007, 07:05 AM QUOTE (Nick_USA
@ Dec 15 2007, 09:46 AM) QUOTE (tmc @ Dec 14 2007,
11:36 PM) Some interest in setting up a group buy. I'd be
happy to help. Who is interested?...and the price of the group buy
would be?I don't know, I'm not a seller. I'm just offering
to organize a group buy.To make a case to Nav-TV, we'd need a
bunch of people to say they are interested.Then I'll talk to them
and figure out the price.Note: I have no financial interest (gain or
loss) in this.tmc Posted by: bob/ft.worth on Dec 16 2007, 02:27 PM mic
location Posted by: Nick_USA on Dec 16 2007, 02:48 PM QUOTE (bob/
ft.worth @ Dec 16 2007, 05:27 PM) mic locationA question for
you, why didn't you install it in the steering column? I have
checked and the suround is removed by undoing 2 screws and removing
the suround. Posted by: bob/ft.worth on Dec 16 2007, 03:56 PM
Actually, I may move it to the steering wheel housing - i like the OEM
type look.I did investigate how the housing was assembled. Two things
stopped me for the moment. 1. i don't know how much room is
underneath the housing; e.g, is there enough room to mount the nav-tv
mic since it's about 1/2 inch high. 2. there's been some
discussion on the location that gives the best audio to the person on
the other end. Supposedly the overhead position is better but i
don't know that for a fact.the instructions for the navtv mic
indicate that they reccommend install near the overhead console.
i'd prefer the OEM location Posted by: scuzy on Dec 16 2007, 10:33
PM QUOTE (bob/ft.worth @ Dec 16 2007, 03:56 PM) Actually, I
may move it to the steering wheel housing - i like the OEM type look.I
did investigate how the housing was assembled. Two things stopped me
for the moment. 1. i don't know how much room is underneath the
housing; e.g, is there enough room to mount the nav-tv mic since
it's about 1/2 inch high. 2. there's been some discussion on
the location that gives the best audio to the person on the other end.
Supposedly the overhead position is better but i don't know that
for a fact.the instructions for the navtv mic indicate that they
reccommend install near the overhead console. i'd prefer the OEM
locationthat mic doesn't look like the one i have on my tooki. Is
it a different mic ? Mine has a clip and a swivel to adjust the mic.
Posted by: bob/ft.worth on Dec 17 2007, 05:19 AM that's the mic
supplied by nav-tv. velcro or a pin-type attachment Posted by:
dtrounce on Dec 17 2007, 06:03 AM That looks like the microphone I got
with the Tooki. Here's my install location - very similar to
Bob's. Scuzy - I'd be interested in a picture of yours. Moni
(CEO of NAV-TV) has confirmed that this is the part he selected -
it's an Ericsson part. See http://navtv.com/forum/index.php?topic=47.0Top
up, on the freeway at highway speeds, two reports now have said that
the conversation is perfectly understandable. One said it sounded like
a speakerphone, the other said it sounded like a normal cellphone
call. I haven't tried top down yet. Posted by: scuzy on Dec 17
2007, 09:13 AM QUOTE (dtrounce @ Dec 17 2007, 06:03 AM) That
looks like the microphone I got with the Tooki. Here's my install
location - very similar to Bob's. Scuzy - I'd be interested in
a picture of yours. Moni (CEO of NAV-TV) has confirmed that this is
the part he selected - it's an Ericsson part. See
http://navtv.com/forum/index.php?topic=47.0Top up, on the freeway at
highway speeds, two reports now have said that the conversation is
perfectly understandable. One said it sounded like a speakerphone, the
other said it sounded like a normal cellphone call. I haven't
tried top down yet.Maybe i should velcro the mic onto the top instead
of cliping it into the sun visor. Posted by: bob/ft.worth on Jan 25
2008, 12:48 PM Bumping this back up to ask if any one knows how to
remove the cowling around the steering wheel to get to the OEM mic
locations. Gonna try this mic location if (1) i can figure out how to
get it apart (2) see if there is enough room underneath to fit the
tooki mic.If 1 and 2 work, i'll post picsbob Posted by: Nick_USA
on Jan 25 2008, 01:35 PM QUOTE (bob/ft.worth @ Jan 25 2008,
03:48 PM) Bumping this back up to ask if any one knows how to
remove the cowling around the steering wheel to get to the OEM mic
locations. Gonna try this mic location if (1) i can figure out how to
get it apart (2) see if there is enough room underneath to fit the
tooki mic.If 1 and 2 work, i'll post picsbob1. Extend out the
steering column to allow better access.2. Unscrew fastrening screws on
the steering column trim panel and remove the upper part of the
steering column trim panel.3. Fit the microphone into the upper part
of the trim panel and secure.4. Route the wiring round to the PCM
tooki unit.5. Refit trim panel and adjust steering column. Posted by:
bob/ft.worth on Jan 25 2008, 02:09 PM thanks Nick!doesn't
sound complicated (didn't think about extending the steering
column...) Posted by: dcooper on Feb 20 2008, 12:09 PM I've just
ordered my TOOKI Bluetooth kit for my 2006 997 C4 Cab Tip, and in a
fit of inspiration, I also ordered the OEM multi-function steering
wheel with phone + volume controls etc to be able to control things
right from the steering wheel. I will try to get them to put the mic
in the steering column when the OEM mic is supposed to go if possible.
Thanks to you guys in the forums here for pointing out this whole
solution. Should be sweet when it's all done.I also ordered the
new Porsche NAV update fo good measure. I already have the Porsche OEM
Sirius Sat kit installed and the NAV-TV iPod/iPhone interface, so
I'll be good to go with this update!I'll post back on how
it all works together once this last batch of stuff is installed.Damon
Posted by: bob_ricco on Feb 25 2008, 11:15 AM QUOTE (tmc @ Oct 21
2007, 05:46 AM) It's a small box and goes behind the PCM2 head
unit.Does the signal strength meter work on your cars?-Bob Posted by:
bob/ft.worth on Feb 25 2008, 11:23 AM yes, all PCM screens with the
signal strength meter work - main, telephone, audioQUOTE (bob_ricco
@ Feb 25 2008, 11:15 AM) QUOTE (tmc @ Oct 21 2007,
05:46 AM) It's a small box and goes behind the PCM2 head
unit.Does the signal strength meter work on your cars?-Bob
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