Thread: NYC subway/train and alcohol

On Thu, 11 Oct 2012 10:23:52 -0400, "Somebody" <[email protected]> wrote:

> I was really surprised how many people were drinking when waiting in line
>to see The Colbert Report few years ago. About 1/4 were openly drinking in
>public on the sidewalk and kinda drunkish by the time the show started... I
>was also surprised you can drink on the subway/train in NYC. I asked one of
>the train attendants about it, and he said: "oh yeah, you can drink as much
>as you want and get hammered." Then he pointed out there was stand down in
>the station that sold beer... (Don't most those people drive home when they
>get to their station? Isn't there liability issues?)
>
>
It is illegal to drink alcohol in public places in NYC such as you
describe. It is strictly prohibited by law.

Do the cops spend all their time enforcing these laws when they see
them violated? Not always, and you can see folks keeping a beer can
hidden in a paper bag and sipping their brew on street corners in some
areas at some times. Still, a NYC transit cop will slap the ass of an
obvious drinker pretty damn quickly.

The commuter lines, the MTA and LIRR, however, are different and some
trains have bar cars. And terminals and some stations have restaurants
and bars.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...546475484.html

Nevertheless, flaunting it in line at Colbert will bring the wrath of
their wranglers down on ticket holders should it be seen openly. Both
Colbert and Stewart shows are not particularly pleasant for ticket
holders in my estimation. I haven't been to either in a year or so,
but one of my kids is going next week, so I'll see if there is a
change.

Alcoholic beverages are major advertisers on both shows, though.

Boron

"Somebody" <[email protected]> wrote:

> I was really surprised how many people were drinking when
> waiting in line
> to see The Colbert Report few years ago. About 1/4 were
> openly drinking in public on the sidewalk and kinda
> drunkish by the time the show started... I was also
> surprised you can drink on the subway/train in NYC. I
> asked one of the train attendants about it, and he said:
> "oh yeah, you can drink as much as you want and get
> hammered." Then he pointed out there was stand down in the
> station that sold beer... (Don't most those people drive
> home when they get to their station? Isn't there liability
> issues?)



If you live in NYC, the subway system can usually get you blocks
from your apartment building. On the other hand if you take the
subway to catch a commuter train to the burbs getting hammered
is definitely a bad idea.

On a day trip to NYC, I studied the subway system for a couple
weeks plotting subway connections. With the $2 day passes,
getting around the Big Apple fast and trouble free!!!

We split a pitcher of beer for lunch, a cocktail at the fountain
at Lincoln center, then dinner at the Stage Deli, then subwayed
to Grand Central Terminal to look around and had a cocktail at
the mezzanine bar. Subwayed to Penn station andAmtrak'd back to
Philly. Regional railed to my town clean and sober for the drive
home.

Thanks to the subway system we saw in one day would've taken
days by bus or taxi.

Andy

"Somebody" <[email protected]> wrote:

> I was really surprised how many people were drinking when
> waiting in line
> to see The Colbert Report few years ago. About 1/4 were
> openly drinking in public on the sidewalk and kinda
> drunkish by the time the show started... I was also
> surprised you can drink on the subway/train in NYC. I
> asked one of the train attendants about it, and he said:
> "oh yeah, you can drink as much as you want and get
> hammered." Then he pointed out there was stand down in the
> station that sold beer... (Don't most those people drive
> home when they get to their station? Isn't there liability
> issues?)



If you live in NYC, the subway system can usually get you blocks
from your apartment building. On the other hand if you take the
subway to catch a commuter train to the burbs getting hammered
is definitely a bad idea.

On a day trip to NYC, I studied the subway system for a couple
weeks plotting subway connections. With the $2 day passes,
getting around the Big Apple fast and trouble free!!!

We split a pitcher of beer for lunch, a cocktail at the fountain
at Lincoln center, then dinner at the Stage Deli, then subwayed
to Grand Central Terminal to look around and had a cocktail at
the mezzanine bar. Subwayed to Penn station andAmtrak'd back to
Philly. Regional railed to my town clean and sober for the drive
home.

Thanks to the subway system we saw in one day would've taken
days and lots more dollars

Andy

In article <k56kpq$l1o$[email protected]>, Somebody <[email protected]> wrote:

> I was really surprised how many people were drinking when waiting in line
>to see The Colbert Report few years ago. About 1/4 were openly drinking in
>public on the sidewalk and kinda drunkish by the time the show started... I
>was also surprised you can drink on the subway/train in NYC. I asked one of
>the train attendants about it, and he said: "oh yeah, you can drink as much
>as you want and get hammered." Then he pointed out there was stand down in
>the station that sold beer... (Don't most those people drive home when they
>get to their station? Isn't there liability issues?)

Normally, one can drink on a train. Anywhere in Europe, there
are bars in train stations and often they sell drinks on the train.
This is true in the U.S. on Amtrak trains.

Officially you are not supposed to eat or drink on the NYC subway
but nobody cares.

On other local transit, it can be stricter. Here in the SF Bay
area, the BART system is pretty strict about disallowing it,
CalTrain is somewhat permissive, and Amtrak is completely permissive.

No, most New Yorkers do not drive home from the subway. On the LIRR
or Metro North, probably.


Steve

On Oct 11, 7:23*am, "Somebody" <e...@mail.au> wrote:
> *I was really surprised how many people were drinking when waiting in line
> to see The Colbert Report few years ago. *About 1/4 were openly drinking in
> public on the sidewalk and kinda drunkish by the time the show started...I
> was also surprised you can drink on the subway/train in NYC. *I asked one of
> the train attendants about it, and he said: "oh yeah, you can drink as much
> as you want and get hammered." *Then he pointed out there was stand down in
> the station that sold beer... *(Don't most those people drive home whenthey
> get to their station? *Isn't there liability issues?)

Did you see Andy there?

"Boron Elgar" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]..
> On Thu, 11 Oct 2012 10:23:52 -0400, "Somebody" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> I was really surprised how many people were drinking when waiting in line
>>to see The Colbert Report few years ago. About 1/4 were openly drinking
>>in
>>public on the sidewalk and kinda drunkish by the time the show started...
>>I
>>was also surprised you can drink on the subway/train in NYC. I asked one
>>of
>>the train attendants about it, and he said: "oh yeah, you can drink as
>>much
>>as you want and get hammered." Then he pointed out there was stand down
>>in
>>the station that sold beer... (Don't most those people drive home when
>>they
>>get to their station? Isn't there liability issues?)
>>
>>
> It is illegal to drink alcohol in public places in NYC such as you
> describe. It is strictly prohibited by law.
>
> Do the cops spend all their time enforcing these laws when they see
> them violated? Not always, and you can see folks keeping a beer can
> hidden in a paper bag and sipping their brew on street corners in some
> areas at some times. Still, a NYC transit cop will slap the ass of an
> obvious drinker pretty damn quickly.
>
> The commuter lines, the MTA and LIRR, however, are different and some
> trains have bar cars. And terminals and some stations have restaurants
> and bars.
>
> http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...546475484.html
>
> Nevertheless, flaunting it in line at Colbert will bring the wrath of
> their wranglers down on ticket holders should it be seen openly. Both
> Colbert and Stewart shows are not particularly pleasant for ticket
> holders in my estimation. I haven't been to either in a year or so,
> but one of my kids is going next week, so I'll see if there is a
> change.
>
> Alcoholic beverages are major advertisers on both shows, though.
>
> Boron



I went with my niece about 5 years ago to both. Got there about 2 hours
early, so to get a good seat for Colbert's show... Got high-fives when he
ran across the audience front row. (I don't see him do that on more on TV)
Interesting seeing the show in person; god they played horrible loud music
between breaks. I didn't get the point of that. Nor do when they do that
at football games.

Where I saw it going on (I was not imbibing) was on the side of the building
kinda hidden from the street... I wonder if it still goes on. Some of
their audiences sound a little "rowdy"

In Vegas, it's actually legal. Weird....

What about tailgating at sports events in NYC?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_...container_laws

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On Oct 11, 7:23 am, "Somebody" <e...@mail.au> wrote:
> I was really surprised how many people were drinking when waiting in line
> to see The Colbert Report few years ago. About 1/4 were openly drinking in
> public on the sidewalk and kinda drunkish by the time the show started...
> I
> was also surprised you can drink on the subway/train in NYC. I asked one
> of
> the train attendants about it, and he said: "oh yeah, you can drink as
> much
> as you want and get hammered." Then he pointed out there was stand down in
> the station that sold beer... (Don't most those people drive home when
> they
> get to their station? Isn't there liability issues?)

Did you see Andy there?

---

haha... Actually yes! At TDS... Andy Stern

"Steve Pope" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:k56r1e$ord$[email protected]..

> No, most New Yorkers do not drive home from the subway. On the LIRR
> or Metro North, probably.


This one was a subway that became a train, out towards Connecticut. If they
don't drive home, how do they get home?

Just seems odd they let people do it. Like having that giant liquor barn in
the median of a highway in NH on rte 3, near Merrimack.

On Thu, 11 Oct 2012 13:40:14 -0400, "Somebody" <[email protected]> wrote:

>"Steve Pope" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:k56r1e$ord$[email protected]..
>
>> No, most New Yorkers do not drive home from the subway. On the LIRR
>> or Metro North, probably.
>
>
>This one was a subway that became a train, out towards Connecticut. If they
>don't drive home, how do they get home?

That isn't a NYC subway...that is the MTA commuter rail that travels
underground within parts of the city. Think of that as just a train
tunnel...like through a mountain pass. It ain't the IRT, believe me.

>Just seems odd they let people do it. Like having that giant liquor barn in
>the median of a highway in NH on rte 3, near Merrimack.

It is no more reckless to allow drinking on a train than it is on a
plane or in a restaurant or at the ballpark.

Boron

>"Steve Pope" <[email protected]> wrote in message

>news:k56r1e$ord$[email protected]..

>> No, most New Yorkers do not drive home from the subway. On the LIRR
>> or Metro North, probably.

>This one was a subway that became a train, out towards Connecticut. If they
>don't drive home, how do they get home?

There is no "subway that becomes a train", although the subways run
both below ground and above ground, and broadly speaking, a subway
train is a train to begin with.

The subway does not go outside of New York City; it is confined
to the four boroughs (excluding Staten Island).

Some people might take the subway to (say) outer Queens, then drive. But,
the vast majority of subway users are not driving anywhere.

Steve

On Thu, 11 Oct 2012 13:33:20 -0400, "Somebody" <[email protected]> wrote:

>"Boron Elgar" <[email protected]> wrote in message

>>
>> Nevertheless, flaunting it in line at Colbert will bring the wrath of
>> their wranglers down on ticket holders should it be seen openly. Both
>> Colbert and Stewart shows are not particularly pleasant for ticket
>> holders in my estimation. I haven't been to either in a year or so,
>> but one of my kids is going next week, so I'll see if there is a
>> change.
>>
>> Alcoholic beverages are major advertisers on both shows, though.
>>
>> Boron
>
>
>
>I went with my niece about 5 years ago to both. Got there about 2 hours
>early, so to get a good seat for Colbert's show... Got high-fives when he
>ran across the audience front row. (I don't see him do that on more on TV)
>Interesting seeing the show in person; god they played horrible loud music
>between breaks. I didn't get the point of that. Nor do when they do that
>at football games.
>
>Where I saw it going on (I was not imbibing) was on the side of the building
>kinda hidden from the street... I wonder if it still goes on. Some of
>their audiences sound a little "rowdy"


It is not in their interest to have a drunk audience. They want
responsive people, not rowdy one. The security is pretty tight these
days, with a lot of managing of the lines, ID checking, etc.


>In Vegas, it's actually legal. Weird....
>
>What about tailgating at sports events in NYC?
>
You can drink until you keel over, at least at Giants and Jets games -
well almost - the website says:

"Please drink responsibly during the pre-game since guests who appear
to be impaired may not be permitted to enter the stadium."

Boron

On Thu, 11 Oct 2012 11:09:40 -0400, Boron Elgar
<[email protected]> wrote:

> Alcoholic beverages are major advertisers on both shows, though.

Really? Maybe it varies by state.

--
I take life with a grain of salt, a slice of lemon and a shot of tequila

Boron Elgar <[email protected]> wrote:

> "Please drink responsibly during the pre-game since guests
> who appear to be impaired may not be permitted to enter the
> stadium."



The one time I went to Giants stadium to tailgate and the
game, I bought a gallon jug of water in. They demanded the
jug's cap. I thought that was strange.

Later in the game I went to buy some beers for my gracious
hosts. They had Bud in plastic bottles, again no caps and only
two beers per purchase.

I realized capped glass bottles could make dangerous "beer
grenades" in a rowdy crowd. Plastic with no caps greatly
reduced throwing momentum or cracking open someone's skull.

Also, knowing the mean-spirited Giants/Eagles rivalry, I felt
it wise to blend in and left my Eagles jersey at home.

Andy

On Thu, 11 Oct 2012 15:40:13 -0700, sf <[email protected]> wrote:

>On Thu, 11 Oct 2012 11:09:40 -0400, Boron Elgar
><[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Alcoholic beverages are major advertisers on both shows, though.
>
>Really? Maybe it varies by state.

Sad for you guys if you missed Carville & Matalin plugging Maker's
Mark on Colbert [on one show where he was chugging Jack Daniels with
Stephanopolous] <g>

"It isn't about the Tea Party. It isn't about the Green Party. It
isn't about the Independent Party. It isn't about the Libertarian
Party. It isn't about the Democratic Party, and it isn't about the
Republican Party, but it is about The Cocktail Party! "
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vid...ommercial.html

Jim

On 10/11/2012 12:10 PM, Steve Pope wrote:
> In article <k56kpq$l1o$[email protected]>, Somebody <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> I was really surprised how many people were drinking when waiting in line
>> to see The Colbert Report few years ago. About 1/4 were openly drinking in
>> public on the sidewalk and kinda drunkish by the time the show started... I
>> was also surprised you can drink on the subway/train in NYC. I asked one of
>> the train attendants about it, and he said: "oh yeah, you can drink as much
>> as you want and get hammered." Then he pointed out there was stand down in
>> the station that sold beer... (Don't most those people drive home when they
>> get to their station? Isn't there liability issues?)
>
> Normally, one can drink on a train. Anywhere in Europe, there
> are bars in train stations and often they sell drinks on the train.
> This is true in the U.S. on Amtrak trains.
>
> Officially you are not supposed to eat or drink on the NYC subway
> but nobody cares.


You must ride on a different NYC subway system that I am familiar with.
Unfortunately the slobs who throw stuff on the floor and onto the tracks
ruin it for everyone else. They really started policing eating and
drinking on the subway and other stuff after Giuliani was hired.



>
> On other local transit, it can be stricter. Here in the SF Bay
> area, the BART system is pretty strict about disallowing it,
> CalTrain is somewhat permissive, and Amtrak is completely permissive.
>
> No, most New Yorkers do not drive home from the subway. On the LIRR
> or Metro North, probably.
>
>
> Steve
>

On 10/11/2012 1:57 PM, Boron Elgar wrote:
> On Thu, 11 Oct 2012 13:40:14 -0400, "Somebody" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> "Steve Pope" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:k56r1e$ord$[email protected]..
>>
>>> No, most New Yorkers do not drive home from the subway. On the LIRR
>>> or Metro North, probably.
>>
>>
>> This one was a subway that became a train, out towards Connecticut. If they
>> don't drive home, how do they get home?
>
> That isn't a NYC subway...that is the MTA commuter rail that travels
> underground within parts of the city. Think of that as just a train
> tunnel...like through a mountain pass. It ain't the IRT, believe me.
>
>> Just seems odd they let people do it. Like having that giant liquor barn in
>> the median of a highway in NH on rte 3, near Merrimack.
>
> It is no more reckless to allow drinking on a train than it is on a
> plane or in a restaurant or at the ballpark.
>
> Boron
>

The LIRR has a few bar cars. However it is unusual to see drinking on
the NYC subway system.

The problem on the subway used to be the few who would discard cans and
bottles (often with some liquid still in them) right on the floor or
just toss on the tracks. The subway (and NYC in general) was quite a
mess prior to Giuliani.

On Fri, 12 Oct 2012 08:03:30 -0400, George <[email protected]>
wrote:

>On 10/11/2012 1:57 PM, Boron Elgar wrote:
>> On Thu, 11 Oct 2012 13:40:14 -0400, "Somebody" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> "Steve Pope" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:k56r1e$ord$[email protected]..
>>>
>>>> No, most New Yorkers do not drive home from the subway. On the LIRR
>>>> or Metro North, probably.
>>>
>>>
>>> This one was a subway that became a train, out towards Connecticut. If they
>>> don't drive home, how do they get home?
>>
>> That isn't a NYC subway...that is the MTA commuter rail that travels
>> underground within parts of the city. Think of that as just a train
>> tunnel...like through a mountain pass. It ain't the IRT, believe me.
>>
>>> Just seems odd they let people do it. Like having that giant liquor barn in
>>> the median of a highway in NH on rte 3, near Merrimack.
>>
>> It is no more reckless to allow drinking on a train than it is on a
>> plane or in a restaurant or at the ballpark.
>>
>> Boron
>>
>
>The LIRR has a few bar cars. However it is unusual to see drinking on
>the NYC subway system.

Drinking is seen all the time, but for the vast majority of those
sightings, the drink is not (obviously) alcoholic.
>
>The problem on the subway used to be the few who would discard cans and
>bottles (often with some liquid still in them) right on the floor or
>just toss on the tracks. The subway (and NYC in general) was quite a
>mess prior to Giuliani.


I first moved to Manhattan in 1971. I have seen the system's ups and
down over all these years. I also think of Guiliani somewhat like
Mussolini.

Boron

On Thu, 11 Oct 2012 11:09:40 -0400, Boron Elgar wrote:

> On Thu, 11 Oct 2012 10:23:52 -0400, "Somebody" <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>I was also surprised you can drink on the subway/train in NYC. I asked one of
>>the train attendants about it, and he said: "oh yeah, you can drink as much
>>as you want and get hammered." Then he pointed out there was stand down in
>>the station that sold beer... (Don't most those people drive home when they
>>get to their station? Isn't there liability issues?)
>>
>>
> It is illegal to drink alcohol in public places in NYC such as you
> describe. It is strictly prohibited by law.
......

> The commuter lines, the MTA and LIRR, however, are different and some
> trains have bar cars. And terminals and some stations have restaurants
> and bars.

Here is an obvious sign of true clinical narcissism. She will
patently deny something all out, then look it up and change her tune
in mid stride, but still refuse to go back and revise what she
originally typed.

-sw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDeWWAkwogA

He moves in circles of friends
Who just pretend
That they like him
He does the same to them
And when you put it all together
There`s the model of a charmless man


He talks at speed
He gets nose bleeds
He doesn´t see
His days are tumbling
Down upon him
And yet he tries so hard to please
He´s just so keen
For you to listen
But no-one´s listening
And when you put it all together
There´s the model of a charmless man

He thinks he`s educated airs
Those family sharesWill protect him
That you`ll respect him
And yet he tries so hard to please
He`s just so keenFor you to listen
But no-one`s listenig
And when you put it all togetherThere`s the model of a charmless man