Thread: New stove - dangit

On Oct 14, 7:18*pm, Cheryl <jlhsha...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> I am getting my new range tomorrow and was cleaning out the storage
> drawer and removing all the stuff I keep on top of the
> backboard/splashboard shelf - which my new range will not have because
> it's curved - and pulled it out a bit to see if I could easily move it.
> * Well it looks like I need an electrician. *The current power looks
> hardwired. *There is a thick wire coming out of the wall (no receptacle)
> and the new one comes with some new code power cord that's been in
> effect since 2000. *The free installation that comes from the vendor is
> just to put it in place and plug it in. *****. *Oh well.

On Oct 14, 7:18*pm, Cheryl <jlhsha...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> I am getting my new range tomorrow and was cleaning out the storage
> drawer and removing all the stuff I keep on top of the
> backboard/splashboard shelf - which my new range will not have because
> it's curved - and pulled it out a bit to see if I could easily move it.
> * Well it looks like I need an electrician. *The current power looks
> hardwired. *There is a thick wire coming out of the wall (no receptacle)
> and the new one comes with some new code power cord that's been in
> effect since 2000. *The free installation that comes from the vendor is
> just to put it in place and plug it in. *****. *Oh well.

Go get yourself some smelling salts.

Googling around it looks like the new code requires a four prong plug
and 6 ga. wire. Your electrician may have to pull new cable as well as
installing a socket. Hopefully you have sufficient amperage coming
into the house to run everything.

I also see nowadays microwaves and dishwashers need their own 15 amp
circuits. Oh well.

"Cheryl" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:4e98ed7c$0$1304$[email protected]..
>I am getting my new range tomorrow and was cleaning out the storage drawer
>and removing all the stuff I keep on top of the backboard/splashboard
>shelf - which my new range will not have because it's curved - and pulled
>it out a bit to see if I could easily move it. Well it looks like I need an
>electrician. The current power looks hardwired. There is a thick wire
>coming out of the wall (no receptacle) and the new one comes with some new
>code power cord that's been in effect since 2000. The free installation
>that comes from the vendor is just to put it in place and plug it in.
>****. Oh well.

Well. Yeah. Worse than that. Get an electrician that has a brain in his
head. The outlet for our stove stuck so far out from the wall that, of
course, the stove would not/could not be pushed back flat to the wall once
the stove was plugged in.
The solution was to put the outlet in the wall at the back of the
cabinet adjacent to the stove. The bottom drawer in that cabinet houses big
stock pots and there was no problem having the outlet in it. It may be that
the outlet was in the 'kick-space' and didn't affect the cabinet at all.
The 'free installation guy' didn't see a problem with the stove set out
from the wall about 4" but I found it quite offensive. Translation: think
hissy fit! Polly

"Cheryl" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:4e98ed7c$0$1304$[email protected]..
>I am getting my new range tomorrow and was cleaning out the storage drawer
>and removing all the stuff I keep on top of the backboard/splashboard
>shelf - which my new range will not have because it's curved - and pulled
>it out a bit to see if I could easily move it. Well it looks like I need an
>electrician. The current power looks hardwired. There is a thick wire
>coming out of the wall (no receptacle) and the new one comes with some new
>code power cord that's been in effect since 2000. The free installation
>that comes from the vendor is just to put it in place and plug it in.
>****. Oh well.

It may not be so bad. If the stove comes with a 4 connector plug, then you
merely need a qualified person to replace it with a three prong plug. Older
structures do not need to meet the newer standard. However if the stove
comes with 4 unterminated wires, well that's a whole new ball game. But you
should be able to get by without having to have a whole new set of wires
run. But yeah, time to call sparky.

Paul

On 10/14/2011 11:08 PM, Paul M. Cook wrote:

> It may not be so bad. If the stove comes with a 4 connector plug, then you
> merely need a qualified person to replace it with a three prong plug. Older
> structures do not need to meet the newer standard. However if the stove
> comes with 4 unterminated wires, well that's a whole new ball game. But you
> should be able to get by without having to have a whole new set of wires
> run. But yeah, time to call sparky.

One of my brother's best friends is an electrician and I called him for
his phone number. He's been out of work so I know he'll do it for me.
He's been an electrician for ages. The only thing is that I might not
have a working stove for a few days if he can't do it tomorrow.

On 10/14/2011 10:37 PM, Polly Esther wrote:

> Well. Yeah. Worse than that. Get an electrician that has a brain in
> his head. The outlet for our stove stuck so far out from the wall that,
> of course, the stove would not/could not be pushed back flat to the wall
> once the stove was plugged in.
> The solution was to put the outlet in the wall at the back of the
> cabinet adjacent to the stove. The bottom drawer in that cabinet houses
> big stock pots and there was no problem having the outlet in it. It may
> be that the outlet was in the 'kick-space' and didn't affect the cabinet
> at all.
> The 'free installation guy' didn't see a problem with the stove set
> out from the wall about 4" but I found it quite offensive. Translation:
> think hissy fit!

Good tip! Thanks!

On 10/14/2011 10:33 PM, spamtrap1888 wrote:
> Go get yourself some smelling salts.
>
> Googling around it looks like the new code requires a four prong plug
> and 6 ga. wire.

Yes, four prong. Similar to a dryer receptacle but shaped a little
differently.

Your electrician may have to pull new cable as well as
> installing a socket. Hopefully you have sufficient amperage coming
> into the house to run everything.
>
That shouldn't be a problem. All other new appliances I've bought
haven't needed any additional amperage, including a much larger heat
pump than I used to have. New washer and dryer were fine as is.

> I also see nowadays microwaves and dishwashers need their own 15 amp
> circuits. Oh well.

It's never easy, is it.

"Cheryl" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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> On 10/14/2011 11:08 PM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
>
>> It may not be so bad. If the stove comes with a 4 connector plug, then
>> you
>> merely need a qualified person to replace it with a three prong plug.
>> Older
>> structures do not need to meet the newer standard. However if the stove
>> comes with 4 unterminated wires, well that's a whole new ball game. But
>> you
>> should be able to get by without having to have a whole new set of wires
>> run. But yeah, time to call sparky.
>
> One of my brother's best friends is an electrician and I called him for
> his phone number. He's been out of work so I know he'll do it for me.
> He's been an electrician for ages. The only thing is that I might not
> have a working stove for a few days if he can't do it tomorrow.

well, you can use it for thawing things out until then.

"Cheryl" <>
> One of my brother's best friends is an electrician and I called him for
> his phone number. He's been out of work so I know he'll do it for me.
> He's been an electrician for ages. The only thing is that I might not
> have a working stove for a few days if he can't do it tomorrow.
>

If your new stove's bottom is simply a storage drawer, it may be that it is
open to the back and the size of the plug and location of the outlet won't
give you any grief at all. Meanwhile, if you must do without a stove for a
few days it's probably time for you to enjoy your electric skillet,
microwave, toaster oven and crock pot. We survived 6 months with no stove
after a fire. It can be done. You can, of course, ignore that and eat out.
I won't tell. Polly

On 10/14/2011 11:56 PM, Polly Esther wrote:
>
> If your new stove's bottom is simply a storage drawer, it may be that it
> is open to the back and the size of the plug and location of the outlet
> won't give you any grief at all. Meanwhile, if you must do without a
> stove for a few days it's probably time for you to enjoy your electric
> skillet, microwave, toaster oven and crock pot. We survived 6 months
> with no stove after a fire. It can be done. You can, of course, ignore
> that and eat out. I won't tell.

It is a storage drawer. I just left a message for my brother's friend.

I can get by without a stove. I have a micro and a toaster oven. I
can't use my grill because it's down on the grass while I get my deck
sealed. Too much rain and the grill has been down there for weeks.

On Fri, 14 Oct 2011 22:18:37 -0400, Cheryl <[email protected]>
wrote:

>I am getting my new range tomorrow and was cleaning out the storage
>drawer and removing all the stuff I keep on top of the
>backboard/splashboard shelf - which my new range will not have because
>it's curved - and pulled it out a bit to see if I could easily move it.
> Well it looks like I need an electrician. The current power looks
>hardwired. There is a thick wire coming out of the wall (no receptacle)
>and the new one comes with some new code power cord that's been in
>effect since 2000. The free installation that comes from the vendor is
>just to put it in place and plug it in. ****. Oh well.


The right handy person can disconnect the old and hook the wires to
the new in ten minutes or less. Having the plug is better though.

On 10/15/2011 12:34 AM, Cheryl wrote:
> On 10/14/2011 11:56 PM, Polly Esther wrote:
>>
>> If your new stove's bottom is simply a storage drawer, it may be that it
>> is open to the back and the size of the plug and location of the outlet
>> won't give you any grief at all. Meanwhile, if you must do without a
>> stove for a few days it's probably time for you to enjoy your electric
>> skillet, microwave, toaster oven and crock pot. We survived 6 months
>> with no stove after a fire. It can be done. You can, of course, ignore
>> that and eat out. I won't tell.
>
> It is a storage drawer. I just left a message for my brother's friend.
>
> I can get by without a stove. I have a micro and a toaster oven. I can't
> use my grill because it's down on the grass while I get my deck sealed.
> Too much rain and the grill has been down there for weeks.
>
Oh, and I wasn't surprised by all of the cat toys I see under the stove.
LOL

"Cheryl" wrote:
>
>I am getting my new range tomorrow and was cleaning out the storage drawer
>and removing all the stuff I keep on top of the backboard/splashboard
>shelf - which my new range will not have because it's curved - and pulled
>it out a bit to see if I could easily move it. Well it looks like I need an
>electrician. The current power looks hardwired. There is a thick wire
>coming out of the wall (no receptacle) and the new one comes with some new
>code power cord that's been in effect since 2000. The free installation
>that comes from the vendor is just to put it in place and plug it in.
>****. Oh well.

The store where you purchased should have asked if your old stove is a
plug-in or hardwired... if plug-in they would have sold you the cable
(about $30, theyh no longer ship with any cable). But not all sales
people have much in the smarts department so probably wouldn't
remember to ask, mine didn't but I got lucky and the delivery guys had
new plug-in cables on the truck, saved me a trip to the store... they
didn't even charge me... should be simpler for you, you have cleavage!
LOL

Last I bought a new electric stove was about 5 years ago, from Lowe's,
they no longer ship with any connection cable... instructions supplied
explained which connection cable to obtain for a plug-in and also how
to make the hardwired connection (there'll be a diagrame on the back
of the stove too). Even the plug-in cable needs to be hardwired to
the back of the stove... six of one half dozen the other, same-same.
If the present stove is hardwired there would be no problem connecting
to the new stove without buying anything... if you can read and aren't
color blind no electrician would be needed, just remember to turn off
the power at your panel, and you'd need a decent screwdriver and
probably an 8" crecent wrench... there'll be a clamp that secures the
wire to the stove with nuts and bolts that needs to be reattached too.
Buying a new electric clothes dryer requires the same exercise, they
don't ship with plug-in cables either. There really should be no
reason that the delivery guy wouldn't remove the old stove, take it
away, and rewire the new stove... don't forget to tip at least $20, or
whatever you usually give delivery guys! hehe

On Sat, 15 Oct 2011 00:43:16 -0400, Ed Pawlowski <[email protected]> wrote:

>On Fri, 14 Oct 2011 22:18:37 -0400, Cheryl <[email protected]>
>wrote:
>
>>I am getting my new range tomorrow and was cleaning out the storage
>>drawer and removing all the stuff I keep on top of the
>>backboard/splashboard shelf - which my new range will not have because
>>it's curved - and pulled it out a bit to see if I could easily move it.
>> Well it looks like I need an electrician. The current power looks
>>hardwired. There is a thick wire coming out of the wall (no receptacle)
>>and the new one comes with some new code power cord that's been in
>>effect since 2000. The free installation that comes from the vendor is
>>just to put it in place and plug it in. ****. Oh well.
>
>
>The right handy person can disconnect the old and hook the wires to
>the new in ten minutes or less. Having the plug is better though.

'Zactly. No electrician is needed, would be a big waste of money.
Most average folks can make the connection themselves... but I
strongly suggest Cheryl have someone do it for her, from reading her
posts I seriously doubt she has the common sense to know that she
needs to put on her socks before putting on her shoes... Cheryl
epitomizes airhead.

Having the plug is not really better, just more convenient (how many
times does one unplug a stove), hardwired is safer.

On Oct 14, 10:18*pm, Cheryl <jlhsha...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> I am getting my new range tomorrow and was cleaning out the storage
> drawer and removing all the stuff I keep on top of the
> backboard/splashboard shelf - which my new range will not have because
> it's curved - and pulled it out a bit to see if I could easily move it.
> * Well it looks like I need an electrician. *The current power looks
> hardwired. *There is a thick wire coming out of the wall (no receptacle)
> and the new one comes with some new code power cord that's been in
> effect



whaaaat? No flat backboard? I'd die without mine. Homebase for
salt, pepper, cinnamon, ( all in shakers), seaweed flakes, a 3 minute
egg timer....and a minute minder. I bet you'll miss that feature.

On Oct 14, 7:18*pm, Cheryl <jlhsha...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> I am getting my new range tomorrow and was cleaning out the storage
> drawer and removing all the stuff I keep on top of the
> backboard/splashboard shelf - which my new range will not have because
> it's curved - and pulled it out a bit to see if I could easily move it.
> * Well it looks like I need an electrician. *The current power looks
> hardwired. *There is a thick wire coming out of the wall (no receptacle)
> and the new one comes with some new code power cord that's been in
> effect since 2000. *The free installation that comes from the vendor is
> just to put it in place and plug it in. *****. *Oh well.

How old is the hardwire wire that comes out of the wall. Why can't
it be used to hardwire the new stove?
Seems to me you could unhook the old stove from the hard wire and then
use it for the new one.
Problem solved.

In article <4e98ed7c$0$1304$[email protected]>,
Cheryl <[email protected]> wrote:

> I am getting my new range tomorrow and was cleaning out the storage
> drawer and removing all the stuff I keep on top of the
> backboard/splashboard shelf - which my new range will not have because
> it's curved - and pulled it out a bit to see if I could easily move it.
> Well it looks like I need an electrician. The current power looks
> hardwired. There is a thick wire coming out of the wall (no receptacle)
> and the new one comes with some new code power cord that's been in
> effect since 2000. The free installation that comes from the vendor is
> just to put it in place and plug it in. ****. Oh well.

Good thing you are getting it replaced!

Odds are, a good electrician (make sure they are bonded) can cut that
wiring and install a proper receptical.

Sounds like my first hot water heater. The plumbing was BRAISED into
place! Had to pay a plumber (which are VERY expensive) to come out,
remove the old hot water heater, cut the water pipes and install
threaded fixtures to screw the new hot water heater in line.

It's since been replaced a second time (we've been here 24 years)
without the original hassle. <g>
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In article <4e98fb49$0$14433$[email protected]>,
Cheryl <[email protected]> wrote:

> On 10/14/2011 11:08 PM, Paul M. Cook wrote:
>
> > It may not be so bad. If the stove comes with a 4 connector plug, then you
> > merely need a qualified person to replace it with a three prong plug. Older
> > structures do not need to meet the newer standard. However if the stove
> > comes with 4 unterminated wires, well that's a whole new ball game. But you
> > should be able to get by without having to have a whole new set of wires
> > run. But yeah, time to call sparky.
>
> One of my brother's best friends is an electrician and I called him for
> his phone number. He's been out of work so I know he'll do it for me.
> He's been an electrician for ages. The only thing is that I might not
> have a working stove for a few days if he can't do it tomorrow.

Got a microwave? <g>
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"Politics is supposed to be the second oldest profession. I have
come to realize that it bears a very close resemblance to the first."
-- Mark Twain

On Sat, 15 Oct 2011 08:32:42 -0700 (PDT), Kalmia
<[email protected]> wrote:

> On Oct 14, 10:18*pm, Cheryl <jlhsha...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > I am getting my new range tomorrow and was cleaning out the storage
> > drawer and removing all the stuff I keep on top of the
> > backboard/splashboard shelf - which my new range will not have because
> > it's curved - and pulled it out a bit to see if I could easily move it.
> > * Well it looks like I need an electrician. *The current power looks
> > hardwired. *There is a thick wire coming out of the wall (no receptacle)
> > and the new one comes with some new code power cord that's been in
> > effect
>
>
>
> whaaaat? No flat backboard? I'd die without mine. Homebase for
> salt, pepper, cinnamon, ( all in shakers), seaweed flakes, a 3 minute
> egg timer....and a minute minder. I bet you'll miss that feature.

It's nothing a shelf or a nice piece of crown molding can't take care
of.

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