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    sf Guest

    Default A new California law will require chefs to wear gloves

    What fool thought this was a good idea? IMO: anyone so squeamish that
    they can't stand the thought of some stranger's bare hands touching
    their food should stay home and cook for themselves.

    http://www.latimes.com/food/dailydis...#axzz2q7QNBhdK

    --
    "Corporations aren't people, they're Republicans"
    (Rev Al Sharpton 10/7/2011)

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    ChattyCathy Guest

    Default Re: A new California law will require chefs to wear gloves

    On Sun, 12 Jan 2014 05:23:01 -0800, sf wrote:

    > What fool thought this was a good idea? IMO: anyone so squeamish that
    > they can't stand the thought of some stranger's bare hands touching
    > their food should stay home and cook for themselves.


    Afaiaa, cooks/chefs having to wear gloves/hair nets etc. in restaurants
    has been common health and safety practice in this neck of the woods for a
    few decades. One has to wonder what makes California so special?

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    Cheers
    Chatty Cathy


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    Broadback Guest

    Default Re: A new California law will require chefs to wear gloves

    On 12/01/2014 13:23, sf wrote:
    > What fool thought this was a good idea? IMO: anyone so squeamish that
    > they can't stand the thought of some stranger's bare hands touching
    > their food should stay home and cook for themselves.
    >
    > http://www.latimes.com/food/dailydis...#axzz2q7QNBhdK
    >

    My wife, who used to be connected with the catering trade says several
    chefs told her that "If you want a good meal cook it at home.". That in
    general has been my experience.

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    Gary Guest

    Default Re: A new California law will require chefs to wear gloves

    Broadback wrote:
    >
    > My wife, who used to be connected with the catering trade says several
    > chefs told her that "If you want a good meal cook it at home.". That in
    > general has been my experience.


    That assumes one can cook though. I've known many people that spend a
    fortune on a kitchen renovation and end up with every chef's envy of a
    kitchen. Yet...the ones I know can't or don't cook very much at all.
    All the money is spent on a "show kitchen."

    G.

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    Dave Smith Guest

    Default Re: A new California law will require chefs to wear gloves

    On 2014-01-12 8:23 AM, sf wrote:
    > What fool thought this was a good idea? IMO: anyone so squeamish that
    > they can't stand the thought of some stranger's bare hands touching
    > their food should stay home and cook for themselves.
    >
    > http://www.latimes.com/food/dailydis...#axzz2q7QNBhdK
    >



    I always assumed that they washed their hands frequently. I do. I wash
    my hands before I start handling food, and I wash my hand when switching
    from to another. I always wash my hands before and after handling meats.
    I wash them after handling onions, garlic and peppers.

    I see no benefit from wearing gloves unless they change gloves as often
    as I wash my hands when cooking.


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    jmcquown Guest

    Default Re: A new California law will require chefs to wear gloves

    On 1/12/2014 8:23 AM, sf wrote:
    > What fool thought this was a good idea? IMO: anyone so squeamish that
    > they can't stand the thought of some stranger's bare hands touching
    > their food should stay home and cook for themselves.
    >
    > http://www.latimes.com/food/dailydis...#axzz2q7QNBhdK
    >

    I like this last part:

    "Who's saying gloves can't cause cross-contamination or can't get dirty?
    Outside or inside. Nothing good is happening in there where it's warm
    and sweaty. And I bet its three months before a glove shows up in a salad."

    Jill

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    Dave Smith Guest

    Default Re: A new California law will require chefs to wear gloves

    On 2014-01-12 9:26 AM, Gary wrote:
    > Broadback wrote:
    >>
    >> My wife, who used to be connected with the catering trade says several
    >> chefs told her that "If you want a good meal cook it at home.". That in
    >> general has been my experience.

    >
    > That assumes one can cook though. I've known many people that spend a
    > fortune on a kitchen renovation and end up with every chef's envy of a
    > kitchen. Yet...the ones I know can't or don't cook very much at all.
    > All the money is spent on a "show kitchen."
    >


    I know people like that. Their fridge contains a couple cups of take out
    coffee and croissants to be nuked in the morning. They eat almost all of
    their meals in restaurants. They figure if you just have an entree, no
    appetizers, no drinks, no desserts, you have no shopping to do, no
    cooking to do, no cleaning to do. You don't even need many dishes. I
    have never been in their house but I have heard about their dream
    kitchen. Apparently it is used occasionally when they have parties and
    the caterers us it.



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    jmcquown Guest

    Default Re: A new California law will require chefs to wear gloves

    On 1/12/2014 9:59 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
    > On 2014-01-12 8:23 AM, sf wrote:
    >> What fool thought this was a good idea? IMO: anyone so squeamish that
    >> they can't stand the thought of some stranger's bare hands touching
    >> their food should stay home and cook for themselves.
    >>
    >> http://www.latimes.com/food/dailydis...#axzz2q7QNBhdK
    >>
    >>

    >
    >
    > I always assumed that they washed their hands frequently. I do. I wash
    > my hands before I start handling food, and I wash my hand when switching
    > from to another. I always wash my hands before and after handling meats.
    > I wash them after handling onions, garlic and peppers.
    >
    > I see no benefit from wearing gloves unless they change gloves as often
    > as I wash my hands when cooking.
    >

    Aside from the obvious landfill issue, expect the price of food to go up
    because the restaurants will have to keep boxes of gloves on hand for
    the kitchen staff.

    Jill

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    Janet Guest

    Default Re: A new California law will require chefs to wear gloves

    In article <[email protected]>, cathy1234
    @mailinator.com says...
    >
    > On Sun, 12 Jan 2014 05:23:01 -0800, sf wrote:
    >
    > > What fool thought this was a good idea? IMO: anyone so squeamish that
    > > they can't stand the thought of some stranger's bare hands touching
    > > their food should stay home and cook for themselves.

    >
    > Afaiaa, cooks/chefs having to wear gloves/hair nets etc. in restaurants
    > has been common health and safety practice in this neck of the woods for a
    > few decades. One has to wonder what makes California so special?


    Same in UK. The cite specifies, it's about NOT touching ready to eat
    food with fingers.

    http://www.latimes.com/food/dailydis...fs-gloves-law-
    20140111,0,6631800.story?track=rss#axzz2q7QNBhdK

    Janet UK


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    Janet Guest

    Default Re: A new California law will require chefs to wear gloves

    In article <25yAu.214780$[email protected]>, [email protected]
    says...
    >
    > On 2014-01-12 8:23 AM, sf wrote:
    > > What fool thought this was a good idea? IMO: anyone so squeamish that
    > > they can't stand the thought of some stranger's bare hands touching
    > > their food should stay home and cook for themselves.
    > >
    > > http://www.latimes.com/food/dailydis...#axzz2q7QNBhdK
    > >

    >
    >
    > I always assumed that they washed their hands frequently. I do. I wash
    > my hands before I start handling food, and I wash my hand when switching
    > from to another. I always wash my hands before and after handling meats.
    > I wash them after handling onions, garlic and peppers.
    >
    > I see no benefit from wearing gloves unless they change gloves as often
    > as I wash my hands when cooking.


    Read the site and see whan they are required to wear gloves or use
    tongs. It's only when touching ready to eat food immediately before its
    served.

    I would guess that in any Canadian cafe or fast food outlet where you
    can see the food being handled or plated, the staff will be doing
    exactly the same; wearing gloves or using tongs. Even MacDonalds have
    done that here for many years.,

    Janet UK



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    gtr Guest

    Default Re: A new California law will require chefs to wear gloves

    On 2014-01-12 14:59:11 +0000, Dave Smith said:

    > On 2014-01-12 8:23 AM, sf wrote:
    >> What fool thought this was a good idea? IMO: anyone so squeamish that
    >> they can't stand the thought of some stranger's bare hands touching
    >> their food should stay home and cook for themselves.
    >>
    >> http://www.latimes.com/food/dailydis...#axzz2q7QNBhdK
    >>

    >
    > I always assumed that they washed their hands frequently.


    Some do, some don't. It's the law that we post a sign in the bathroom
    telling them, in Spanish and Englisha and now I note occasionally in
    Vietnamese to "wash their hands before returning to work". So clearly
    we think they aren't.

    I certainly have my doubts that when I go to the bathroom and find
    either no water or no soap.

    > I see no benefit from wearing gloves unless they change gloves as often
    > as I wash my hands when cooking.


    They gloves are disposable and I've seen many disposed. Or better to
    say I've seen many put on before handling food. Unfortunately with some
    people signs and gloves won't help. I watched a bagel guy assemble a
    bagel for me. He had a cold and was wiping his nose with his gloved
    hands in the process.

    I also see people with disposable gloves take my money, operate the
    cash-register paw through coins and pull out bills to give me change.

    I have no problem with making more laws to make it more difficult to
    contaminate my food. They won't solve the problem by themselves. But
    I'll take another 2% better any time I can get it.


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    gtr Guest

    Default Re: A new California law will require chefs to wear gloves

    On 2014-01-12 15:03:34 +0000, jmcquown said:

    > On 1/12/2014 9:59 AM, Dave Smith wrote:
    >> On 2014-01-12 8:23 AM, sf wrote:
    >>> What fool thought this was a good idea? IMO: anyone so squeamish that
    >>> they can't stand the thought of some stranger's bare hands touching
    >>> their food should stay home and cook for themselves.
    >>>
    >>> http://www.latimes.com/food/dailydis...#axzz2q7QNBhdK
    >>>
    >>>
    >>>

    >>
    >>
    >> I always assumed that they washed their hands frequently. I do. I wash
    >> my hands before I start handling food, and I wash my hand when switching
    >> from to another. I always wash my hands before and after handling meats.
    >> I wash them after handling onions, garlic and peppers.
    >>
    >> I see no benefit from wearing gloves unless they change gloves as often
    >> as I wash my hands when cooking.
    >>

    > Aside from the obvious landfill issue, expect the price of food to go
    > up because the restaurants will have to keep boxes of gloves on hand
    > for the kitchen staff.


    I've been seeing such gloves in restaurants for years. I think they're
    just codifying what many people are doing anyway.


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    gtr Guest

    Default Re: A new California law will require chefs to wear gloves

    On 2014-01-12 15:02:20 +0000, jmcquown said:

    > On 1/12/2014 8:23 AM, sf wrote:
    >> What fool thought this was a good idea? IMO: anyone so squeamish that
    >> they can't stand the thought of some stranger's bare hands touching
    >> their food should stay home and cook for themselves.
    >>
    >> http://www.latimes.com/food/dailydis...#axzz2q7QNBhdK
    >>
    >>

    > I like this last part:


    Me too, let's break it down...

    > "Who's saying gloves can't cause cross-contamination or can't get dirty?


    Nobody. But it can help in putting a layer of something between you and
    the guy that can't wipe his ass properly.

    > Outside or inside. Nothing good is happening in there where it's warm
    > and sweaty.


    I don't care if there's leprosy and hepB in there where it's warm and
    sweaty, I like the fact that it remains inside and now outside.

    > And I bet it’s three months before a glove shows up in a salad."


    The wildly waving flag of a plastic glove in a salad is less a problem
    than invisible bacteria for flu, typhus and whopping cough.

    As our disposable workers are paid less and less while the cost of food
    and fuel rises, they can't afford to take sick days off. So I'm eager
    to have the gloves on them for just those few days every quarter.

    No, it won't protect me 100% of the time, and nothing will, but the
    next logical argument isn't "Why try to enforce sanitary conditions,
    eventually we'll all be dead anyhow."


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    notbob Guest

    Default Re: A new California law will require chefs to wear gloves

    On 2014-01-12, Janet <[email protected]> wrote:

    > Same in UK. The cite specifies, it's about NOT touching ready to eat
    > food with fingers.


    No, it's about some corporation lobbying dirtbag politicians to pass a law
    that generates profits. Ppl have been making food with their bare hands
    since before memory. Requiring gloves is a scam, pure and simple.
    The day I hafta wear gloves to cook is the day I become an outlaw.

    nb

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    notbob Guest

    Default Re: A new California law will require chefs to wear gloves

    On 2014-01-12, Dave Smith <[email protected]> wrote:

    > I see no benefit from wearing gloves....


    Scam!

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    notbob Guest

    Default Re: A new California law will require chefs to wear gloves

    On 2014-01-12, jmcquown <[email protected]> wrote:

    > Aside from the obvious landfill issue, expect the price of food to go up
    > because the restaurants will have to keep boxes of gloves on hand for
    > the kitchen staff.


    Scam

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    notbob Guest

    Default Re: A new California law will require chefs to wear gloves

    On 2014-01-12, jmcquown <[email protected]> wrote:

    > and sweaty. And I bet it?s three months before a glove shows up in a salad."


    Not to mention ppl developing allergies to the gloves, so gotta change
    to another kind.

    nb

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    jmcquown Guest

    Default Re: A new California law will require chefs to wear gloves

    On 1/12/2014 8:32 AM, ChattyCathy wrote:
    > On Sun, 12 Jan 2014 05:23:01 -0800, sf wrote:
    >
    >> What fool thought this was a good idea? IMO: anyone so squeamish that
    >> they can't stand the thought of some stranger's bare hands touching
    >> their food should stay home and cook for themselves.

    >
    > Afaiaa, cooks/chefs having to wear gloves/hair nets etc. in restaurants
    > has been common health and safety practice in this neck of the woods for a
    > few decades. One has to wonder what makes California so special?
    >

    Hairnets are a different matter. No one wants to find someone's hair in
    their food. My hair is long and I usually keep it tied back in a
    ponytail. I still find the occasional hair in something I've cooked.
    Even though I know it's my hair it bugs me.

    I sure don't want to find some stranger's hair in my food. I had that
    happen once in a seafood pasta dish. I don't have short black hair. I
    sent it back and never ate there again. Hairnets in restaurant
    kitchens, absolutely.

    I still don't know about the gloves thing. Sometimes food needs to be
    touched, whether to arrange it on the plate or to add a garnish or
    finishing touch. Gloves get dirty just like your hands do, throughout
    the cooking process. I don't see the point. Either you wash your hands
    throughout or you use and throw away a lot of gloves.

    Jill

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    Ophelia Guest

    Default Re: A new California law will require chefs to wear gloves



    "jmcquown" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]..
    > On 1/12/2014 8:32 AM, ChattyCathy wrote:
    >> On Sun, 12 Jan 2014 05:23:01 -0800, sf wrote:
    >>
    >>> What fool thought this was a good idea? IMO: anyone so squeamish that
    >>> they can't stand the thought of some stranger's bare hands touching
    >>> their food should stay home and cook for themselves.

    >>
    >> Afaiaa, cooks/chefs having to wear gloves/hair nets etc. in restaurants
    >> has been common health and safety practice in this neck of the woods for
    >> a
    >> few decades. One has to wonder what makes California so special?
    >>

    > Hairnets are a different matter. No one wants to find someone's hair in
    > their food. My hair is long and I usually keep it tied back in a
    > ponytail. I still find the occasional hair in something I've cooked. Even
    > though I know it's my hair it bugs me.


    Yes same here. I hate it, even if it is my own and I always keep it tied up
    in a bun anyway.

    > I sure don't want to find some stranger's hair in my food. I had that
    > happen once in a seafood pasta dish. I don't have short black hair. I
    > sent it back and never ate there again. Hairnets in restaurant kitchens,
    > absolutely.


    Yes Just one small hair makes me retch ... even my own. As for anyone
    else's .... Noooooooooo!!!

    > I still don't know about the gloves thing. Sometimes food needs to be
    > touched, whether to arrange it on the plate or to add a garnish or
    > finishing touch. Gloves get dirty just like your hands do, throughout the
    > cooking process. I don't see the point. Either you wash your hands
    > throughout or you use and throw away a lot of gloves.


    Hmm I can see the point of the gloves handling ready made foods in
    restaurants and food counters. We already have that, but I can't see it
    when prepping food.

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    sf Guest

    Default Re: A new California law will require chefs to wear gloves

    On Sun, 12 Jan 2014 12:02:00 -0500, jmcquown <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    > On 1/12/2014 8:32 AM, ChattyCathy wrote:
    > > On Sun, 12 Jan 2014 05:23:01 -0800, sf wrote:
    > >
    > >> What fool thought this was a good idea? IMO: anyone so squeamish that
    > >> they can't stand the thought of some stranger's bare hands touching
    > >> their food should stay home and cook for themselves.

    > >
    > > Afaiaa, cooks/chefs having to wear gloves/hair nets etc. in restaurants
    > > has been common health and safety practice in this neck of the woods for a
    > > few decades. One has to wonder what makes California so special?
    > >

    > Hairnets are a different matter. No one wants to find someone's hair in
    > their food. My hair is long and I usually keep it tied back in a
    > ponytail. I still find the occasional hair in something I've cooked.
    > Even though I know it's my hair it bugs me.
    >
    > I sure don't want to find some stranger's hair in my food. I had that
    > happen once in a seafood pasta dish. I don't have short black hair. I
    > sent it back and never ate there again. Hairnets in restaurant
    > kitchens, absolutely.
    >
    > I still don't know about the gloves thing. Sometimes food needs to be
    > touched, whether to arrange it on the plate or to add a garnish or
    > finishing touch. Gloves get dirty just like your hands do, throughout
    > the cooking process. I don't see the point. Either you wash your hands
    > throughout or you use and throw away a lot of gloves.
    >

    Thank you. You and I have the same viewpoint right down to the
    anecdote about finding your own hair in the food you'd prepared.


    --
    "Corporations aren't people, they're Republicans"
    (Rev Al Sharpton 10/7/2011)

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