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    Richard Franing Guest

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    (Dedicated to the Honor and the Glory of God)
    God is the ultimate reality. He has spun the universes into
    existence and has created all other beings. As humans, we too had our
    beginning from God. Like Plato and Socrates, I believe that we pre-
    existed in a spiritual realm prior to being born into this world.
    Unfortunately the church fathers, with the exceptions of Origen and
    Augustine, rejected this view as an overreaction to the heresies of
    gnosticism and neoplatonism that threatened to subvert the Gospel. How
    do I know of this pre-existence? I have very faint memories of a
    spiritual existence before being born into this world. My children
    spoke of this of this existence when they were small. I have heard of
    other 2-4 year old children being able to talk of their own pre-
    existence in the spiritual realm prior to their earthly birth, when
    carefully questioned about it. One couple I know of had three boys who
    each spoke of having been with God and the angels prior to birth
    without any prompting from their parents when they were small.
    Evidently as people age and develop, these memories are overlaid with
    countless earthly memories and are largely forgotten. This pre-
    existence is at the purely spiritual level. The soul is not created
    until physical conception.
    One may ask why are we here and forced to leave that spiritual
    realm. I believe that the answer lies in the fall of Lucifer from
    Heaven along with a third of the angels. It is my own belief that
    human spirits were originally intended to be part of Lucifer's cadre
    in the spiritual realm. Once Lucifer fell, there was no further need
    for our existence in the spiritual realm, since we had been created to
    serve Lucifer in carrying out his heavenly responsibilities. Lucifer's
    disobedience led to our own eventual banishment from Heaven, even
    though we were not involved in his revolt against God. God in His
    infinite mercy has brought us to this world to perfect our redemption.
    He is bound by His own spiritual laws in the eternal realm, but at the
    temporal level, He can rewrite our destiny through His plan for our
    redemption. Had not Adam and Eve disobeyed God, this plan would have
    been much simpler and salvation would have been universal for all
    mankind. When that couple listened to Lucifer rather than obey God,
    suddenly salvation became much more difficult. Man had chosen sides
    and was no longer just an innocent bystander thus bringing
    condemnation on all mankind who was to be born on earth from that time
    Man himself had sinned against God and lost his opportunity for an
    easier salvation. To put it in the vernacular, man really blew it. Now
    man's disobedience had to dealt with in a manner satisfying God,
    fulfilling the new parameters now required for our salvation and
    permit our return to the spiritual realm (Heaven) after leaving this
    earthly sojourn. Christ, the second person of the Godhead, came to
    earth in the form of a man to die a sacrificial death for our
    redemption so that by believing in Him and on His death, we can be
    redeemed and made new spiritual beings fit for His kingdom. Through
    Christ, the Holy Spirit creates us anew and we are reshaped into His
    image, no longer designed to follow after Lucifer and his entourage.
    Praise be to the Father, Son and Holy Spirit for their gift of
    salvation through the Son's loving sacrifice of Himself on the cross,
    the Father's willingness to send Him and the Spirit's perseverance in
    causing us to believe.
    Some have a difficult time grasping the concept of the Trinity. The
    Trinity is the three distinct, separate, yet simultaneously occurring
    dynamic states in which God exists and through which He expresses
    Himself. It may be easier to understand the Trinity by the functions
    they perform. The Father is the Creator of His creation. The Son
    controls the interface relationship between the Creator and His
    creation. The Holy Spirit permeates the creation carrying out the will
    of the Father and the Son.
    Others may ask how does God create worlds and universes, i.e. this
    temporal existence. I believe the new physics gives us an insight into
    God's methods. The big bang which began our universe was caused by a
    large quantum fluctuation. These fluctuations are believed by some
    cosmologists to be power spikes in a tremendous quantum field of
    incredible intensity. Since there are undoubtedly many of these power
    spikes, and at the top of each powerful enough spike is a created
    universe, there are probably many overlapping sister universes to our
    universe in existence at this very moment. They are separated from
    each other only by the different quantum time value that each universe
    possesses. Thus we can not see or sense them nor can they see or sense
    us. You may ask how does God fit into the overall scheme of these
    things. I truly believe that the energy that creates and drives this
    quantum field issues forth from the mind of God even as He speaks the
    Word. All quantum phenomena is created by God. The physical is the
    result of an outpouring of the spiritual, though not in a
    pantheistic way. The beauty of God and His methods is that while we
    may seem far removed from where God is, He is only a prayer away. He
    loves us and cares for us, who believe on His dear Son, and longs that
    all mankind will come to a saving faith in His beloved Son; but God
    wants our love freely given and not given through coercion. He gives
    us His Holy Spirit to guide us and lead us into paths of righteousness
    for His namesake. All that is required of us is simple faith in our
    living Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
    I look forward to the day that I return to the spiritual realm from
    which we have come and can worship, adore, praise and glorify Him
    forever. Our Lord made a way back where there was no way, so that we
    may dwell with Him and enjoy Him forever. Praise be to God that He has
    not left us nor forsaken us, but through His death established His
    plan for our salvation when we come to believe on His shed blood.
    Hallelujah, God is truly great and greatly to be worshiped in spirit
    and truth.
    In awe of the Living God
    Richard E. Franing

    I've decided to take a shot at this one, so you folks need to get
    the stake ready along with the rope, wood and matches because I'm
    about to reveal my pet theory concerning the first chapter of Genesis.
    In second Peter 3:8, we find the following in the RSV version: "But do
    not ignore this fact, beloved, that with the Lord one day is as a
    thousand years and a thousand years is as one day." This is a way of
    saying that God is the creator and ruler of time as well as every
    thing else in this universe and beyond. So even a million or a billion
    years can be as one day or one nanosecond to Him as He chooses it to
    be, since He is beyond time. With that in mind, lets move into
    Genesis. In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. I
    think that this represents the start of our universe. The heavens
    representing space and the earth representing matter.The Earth without
    form and void and the Spirit of God hovered above the waters. The
    matter had not coalesced together sufficiently to form large physical
    bodies in space, but had coalesced enough that internal heat within
    the matter was driving off water vapor that may have condensed on the
    surface of that matter. Then God said let there be light. This was
    beginning of nuclear fusion in our universe, along with planet
    building. Where the light hit these protoplanets, there was day and on
    the backside of these bodies was night just as God had commanded.
    Obviously it took billions of our years for our universe to reach this
    stage, but to God that is little more than a blink of the eye. God
    called this time the first day. The morning and the evening being
    whatever time that God wishes it to be or when He wishes it to be. I
    think it highly unlikely He is saying an earthday at this point
    because our solar system had not been created yet, that did not occur
    until the fourth day. On the second day God separated the waters into
    the seas and the sky. Evidently certain planets in scattered solar
    systems had cooled enough for their atmospheres to start clearing
    instead of one big shroud of clouds enveloping these planets from
    their surfaces. During this day God formed the land surfaces upon
    these planets. Again in God's time there could have been another blink
    of His spiritual eyes. Evening could be when He closes His eyes and
    the morning when He opens them again. So ended the second day. (I can
    see that you folks have erected the stake and gathered the firewood.
    You're having a cookout! Right?). On the third day, God brought forth
    vegetation. There have probably been many planets within our universe
    in times past and yet today that have some forms of life upon them.
    This is God's universe, along with any others, and He can do with them
    whatever He so desires. Who are we to limit Him to only caring about
    what happens on our dinky little planet, as important as it is to us?
    Don't get me wrong, God does care about us and this Earth, but We are
    not His only responsibility. Again God blinks His eyes and another day
    is over in His book, even though more millions of earth type years may
    have elapsed.
    On the fourth day God created our sun, the moon and obviously the
    planets in our solar system. From this point on, I think that God is
    referring to our planet when He speaks of the earth, although He is
    not yet talking in earth days when He speaks. We tend to limit God
    into our way of thinking, not realizing that He is far greater than we
    could ever imagine. God also created the land and plants on our Earth
    in this time frame. This "day" must have been several billion earth
    years long. It is wonderful that God never gets tired doing all this
    creating, because if He did He would probably get worn out just trying
    to keep up with all the petitions I offer up to His throne, let alone
    those that everyone else bring to Him in prayer.
    On the fifth day, God created the animals. Plants were already in
    existence on the Earth, being part of his previous day's work. This
    time frame probably lasted hundreds of millions of Earth years. As you
    can tell by now, I think that God used an evolutionary process to
    bring this to past. Not a random type of evolution, but a God inspired
    and God driven evolutionary process that only He is capable of doing.
    Truly we have a great and awe inspiring God.
    On the sixth day, we arrive at the place where the rubber meets the
    road so to speak. Did God create man? You bet He did. Did God use an
    evolutionary process to create man from the higher mammal animals? You
    bet He did. (GASP!) You say what about Adam? I think He came along
    later. This day probably lasted several million years. God looked at
    all of this creation and declared it good. Who are we to argue with
    God about something like that. If He says it is good, then it must be
    good. Anyway God decided He needed a little vacation after all that
    work of creating. I'll bet my bottom dollar that the seventh day did
    not last even two earth seconds, because God loves what He is doing so
    much that He won't ever give it up and keeps on keeping on. Getting
    back to Adam, I believe that Adam was the first human with a spirit
    bearing soul. God created him from the dust of the Earth and breathed
    life into Him because God had created him for a special purpose. Adam
    was a perfect man. He could not say that bad genes had caused him to
    sin. Likewise Eve whom God created from Adam was perfect. These two
    were to be the first of mankind to enter into this world with a God
    created spirit. All men existing before Adam had a soul, but no spirit
    indwelling that soul. This leads me to think that the fall of Lucifer
    from Heaven occurred sometime after the sixth day. This I have reason
    to believe: that spirits of men are leftover remnants from the old
    order that existed in Heaven before Lucifer launched his revolt
    against God. As beings who did not take part in that revolt, but
    nevertheless of suspect loyalty to God, we could not remain in Heaven
    in our old form. We have to be transformed into new creatures before
    we are acceptable to God again. This is the purpose of our earthly
    existence. God knew that Lucifer and a third of the angels were going
    to revolt against him. He also had originally created us as subangelic
    beings to assist Lucifer in carrying out his heavenly
    responsibilities, before Lucifer got the big head and decided to try
    to take over God's
    position. I wonder if that happened while God was on vacation during
    the seventh day. It would be just like old Lucifer to try something
    like that.
    Anyway, once God decided that we subangelic spiritual beings (see
    Hebrews 2:7) could no longer dwell in His heavenly kingdom in our then
    spiritual form and He began thinking of ways to change us. He could
    not do this at the eternal level because He is constrained by His own
    eternal laws at that level. He had to bring us to a temporal level to
    accomplish that. Since a suitable vehicle (man) was already in place
    to accomplish this objective, God decided to piggyback these spirits
    into men's souls. This is why our soul also contains a God created
    spirit (see Hebrews 4:12). Enspiritment of the human soul occurs in
    the first two months of pregnancy, but it is unlikely that this
    happens in the first few weeks after conception.
    Adam was the first of these spirit souled men. Had he not disobeyed
    God, he would have been permitted to eventually eat of the tree of
    life and been transformed into an eternal creature, with rights to
    dwell with God forever. Adam and Eve were a special test case. God
    knew that if they failed the test, then all men from that point on
    would fail this test. They were cast out of the Garden and forced to
    live among the other existing humans. From that time on all human
    beings have had a spirit bearing soul. How long will this go on?
    Probably until heaven is emptied of its condemned subangelic spirits
    or until the church on Earth becomes so decadent that so few are
    getting saved and transformed thru faith in the shed blood of the Lord
    Jesus Christ, that there is no purpose in continuing the process. This
    why spirit bearing souls should not be aborted and the Gospel must be
    preached with great fervor everywhere on Earth. This is our one and
    only chance to be able to dwell with God forever. We pass this way but
    once and each spirit bearing soul gets only one chance. There is no
    reincarnation. We must not rob ourselves or future generations of this
    sole opportunity for salvation. Once Adam failed, only the
    new Adam (Jesus Christ) could salvage the situation for us. He is the
    Way, the Truth and the Life. He who has Christ has eternal life and
    this life is in God's only begotten Son.
    I have presented this theory, not as an absolute truth, but as an
    attempt to bridge the difference between fact and faith. Many people
    choose to ignore the physical facts around us or to twist them to
    agree with their particular interpretation of God's Word. Likewise too
    many people ignore the Scriptures in a vain attempt to arrive at the
    facts. God does not lie nor do the facts lie, and ultimately they are
    saying the same thing. (So why are you folks grabbing me, not the
    stake. Oh well, let the flames begin. (Arrrgh!!!)
    Thoughtfully yours in Christ Jesus,
    Dick Franing

    The Lord God took man and put him in the garden of Eden to till it
    and keep it. And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, "You may
    freely eat of every tree of the garden; but of the tree of the
    knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you
    eat of it you shall die." But the serpent said to the woman, "You will
    not die. For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be
    opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil." .....she
    took of its fruit and ate; and she also gave some to her husband, and
    he ate. Then the eyes of both were opened, and they knew that they
    were naked. .....
    Then the Lord God said, "Behold the man has become like one of us,
    knowing good and evil; and now lest he put forth his hand and take
    also of the tree of life, and eat, and live forever"---therefore the
    Lord God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground
    from which he as taken. He drove out the man: and at the east of the
    garden of Eden he placed the cherubim, and a flaming sword which
    turned every way, to guard the way to the tree of life. (excerpts from
    the Book of Genesis, Chapters 2 and 3)
    How often has man pondered these words throughout the ensuing
    centuries and speculated as to their exact meaning. Some say that it
    was an actual fruit such as an apple, some look at it as being an
    abstract historical event, some think of it as a crisis of the spirit
    that man experienced, while others think that these verses represent a
    supernatural experience that Adam and Eve had. Some people think that
    it represents some form or type of superior knowledge. Still others
    think of it as a mythical story told to explain how sin began. None of
    these concepts are comprehensive enough to adequately explain the true
    nature of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.
    I fear that I now know the meaning of these verses. The tree of this
    knowledge lies deep within the soul of man. It is what the Christian
    teacher Watchman Nee refers to as "the latent power of the soul". So
    what is this latent power that lies hidden deep within the inner
    recesses of man's soul? I believe that it is a type of angelic power,
    which might be better thought of as Adamic power.
    Man is a sub-angelic being who is endowed with a certain degree of
    latent angelic capability. Man is not an angel, but man may be
    distantly related to the angels in some manner. Under certain
    circumstances, the latent angelic capability of a relatively few
    number of people can become momentarily activated for short periods of
    time. Probably at least 99% of the human race never experiences any of
    this activation and thus are totally oblivious to the existence of the
    latent angelic capability within themselves.
    Activation of this capability primarily occurs during spiritual
    dreams while asleep. The person begins a troubled dream while in a
    deep sleep, then slips into a state of spiritual dreaming through
    which the person can temporarily enter into the angelic mode. While in
    this temporary angelic mode, the person is able to direct the course
    of future events, depending what the subject of spiritual dream is. If
    the person exercises his angelic powers in concert with the direction
    of the Holy Spirit of God, the results will be good and beneficial. If
    the person exercises his angelic powers in a unilateral manner, then
    the results will inevitably be evil. The person acting in a unilateral
    way is trying to play God by usurping God's authority in total
    disregard to God's will. This is the reason why Adam and Eve fell in
    the garden. As a result, they were stripped of their innocence and
    left naked before the Lord. It appears that the ability to be
    activated runs in certain families. It may also be that this ability
    may skip generations within a family, as well as individuals within an
    active generation. My father's mother was an angelically active
    person, but my father never experienced activation as I have.
    In honesty, I must admit that I have exercised this angelic power
    both ways in the past, for the good of mankind when exercised in
    concert with the Holy Spirit and to the detriment of man when I
    exercised it unilaterally. This was largely done in ignorance before I
    realized what the exact nature of this power was and how capricious
    this Adamic power can be. It has a Jekyll and Hyde quality about it
    and must be exercised with extreme caution and then only under the
    guidance of the Holy Spirit. Adam was warned about this danger, but he
    chose to disregard God's warning. When God told Adam not to eat of
    that tree, He was telling him not to exercise his angelic capability
    because it would cause him fail the test and all future mankind with
    him. After man's fall in the Garden, this capability became latent.
    Because Adam sinned, he was not permitted to eat of the tree of life.
    The way of the tree of life would have to be personified in the Way,
    the Truth and the Life in order for man to have that opportunity again
    to gain eternal life and that life is in God's only begotten son, our
    Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
    My experience with this phenomenon is that it begins in earnest
    during the early teen years, reaches its peak about 30-35 years of age
    and then slowly declines until it reaches a point of near cessation
    during one's lower fifties. The time of greatest power during a
    person's early thirties is also the time of greatest danger because it
    when the greatest extremes of good and evil are possible. Momentary
    angelity can a potent stealth weapon if used unwisely. Following one's
    spiritual instincts can indeed be dangerous, thus the person must stay
    close to God and be clothed in His righteousness. The old testament
    and book of Acts states that the young men shall see visions and the
    old men shall dream dreams. In those days, an old man could be any man
    past the age of thirty because life expectancy was not very long in
    those days. I have experienced these visions and dreams in the past.
    The visions are basically learning experiences while the dreams are
    basically doing experiences.
    Adam lost any chance to gain access to the tree of life in the
    garden when he disobeyed God, thereby losing the opportunity for
    eternal life with God in heaven. As children of Adam, we also share
    that lost opportunity, but God in his great mercy has created another
    way for us to obtain eternal life with Him. God sent his Son, the Lord
    Jesus Christ, to die and shed his blood to free us from the first
    Adam's curse and our own sin. Through faith in the Lord Jesus we are
    born anew into God's family and receive the promise of the Father that
    we will stand faultless before the throne at the day of judgement. We
    are no longer children of disobedience, but we are now children of God
    fit for His kingdom. All that is required of us is simple faith in the
    Lord Jesus and His sacrificial death on the cross, and to open our
    hearts and minds to the working of the Holy Spirit of God.
    Man tries his own methods of attempting to tap into this latent
    angelic capability that some are vaguely aware of within themselves.
    Some gnostics, certain psychics, many new agers, kundalini yogis,
    certain mediums and supernaturalists of various kinds are trying in
    their own way to regain the power that Adam and Eve possessed, abused
    and subsequently lost during the fall. Little do they realize that
    they are playing with spiritual dynamite.
    A few people may try to regain this Adamic power with an intent of
    somehow attaining angelic status which they think might give them
    access to the tree of life. God has blocked this route with his
    cherubim and flaming sword. They would be far better off to seek the
    Lord Jesus Christ and His righteousness as the path to eternal life.
    Having experienced this Adamic power first hand, I am well acquainted
    with good and evil even as Adam was. I thank God that Christ is my
    refuge, that in Him I find forgiveness through faith in His shed blood
    and that He sets my feet on the path of righteousness for His name's
    sake. Truly He is the Way, the Truth and the Life. Praise be to God
    for His everlasting grace, love and mercy.
    Under the Blood of Jesus,
    Richard E. Franing

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    Chemo Guest

    Default Re: Mysteries of God

    On Sep 22, 10:30*am, Richard Franing <> wrote:

    Yeah butt....can he make a decent sloppy joe?

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    Roy Guest

    Default Re: Mysteries of God

    On Saturday, September 22, 2012 11:30:08 AM UTC-6, Richard Franing wrote:
    > (Dedicated to the Honor and the Glory of God)
    > --------------------------------------------
    > God is the ultimate reality. He has spun the universes into

    <much snippage>

    Not nice to post this crap on a food I have indigestion.

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    "Chemo" <[email protected]> wrote in message
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    On Sep 22, 10:30 am, Richard Franing <> wrote:

    Yeah butt....can he make a decent sloppy joe?

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