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  1. #1
    Nancy Young Guest

    Default Muddy fish

    I see people talk about muddy tasting catfish and tilapia.
    Today I got my Cook's Illustrated and they discussed this.
    Long story short, they recommend an acid soak first, and their
    acidic soak of choice is buttermilk. Soak for an hour before
    cooking ... rinse off the buttermilk, pat dry and proceed with
    the recipe.

    FWIW.

    nancy



  2. #2
    James Silverton Guest

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    "Nancy Young" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]..
    >I see people talk about muddy tasting catfish and tilapia.
    > Today I got my Cook's Illustrated and they discussed this.
    > Long story short, they recommend an acid soak first, and their
    > acidic soak of choice is buttermilk. Soak for an hour before
    > cooking ... rinse off the buttermilk, pat dry and proceed with
    > the recipe.
    >
    > FWIW.
    >
    > nancy


    Perhaps, I'll have to give it a try for catfish, which in all my
    tries has tasted "muddy". Would something really acidic, like
    lemon juice, perhaps diluted, work? Buttemilk is not something
    that I keep around.



    --
    Jim Silverton
    Potomac, Maryland


  3. #3
    Nancy Young Guest

    Default Re: Muddy fish


    "James Silverton" <[email protected]> wrote

    > "Nancy Young" <[email protected]> wrote


    >>I see people talk about muddy tasting catfish and tilapia.
    >> Today I got my Cook's Illustrated and they discussed this.
    >> Long story short, they recommend an acid soak first, and their
    >> acidic soak of choice is buttermilk. Soak for an hour before
    >> cooking ... rinse off the buttermilk, pat dry and proceed with
    >> the recipe.


    > Perhaps, I'll have to give it a try for catfish, which in all my tries has
    > tasted "muddy". Would something really acidic, like lemon juice, perhaps
    > diluted, work? Buttemilk is not something that I keep around.


    They said that the lemon water left the texture of the fish somewhat
    mushy. But if you have lemon and you have milk, you can make
    your own buttermilk.

    nancy



  4. #4
    Virginia Tadrzynski Guest

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    "Nancy Young" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]..
    >I see people talk about muddy tasting catfish and tilapia.
    > Today I got my Cook's Illustrated and they discussed this.
    > Long story short, they recommend an acid soak first, and their
    > acidic soak of choice is buttermilk. Soak for an hour before
    > cooking ... rinse off the buttermilk, pat dry and proceed with
    > the recipe.
    >
    > FWIW.
    >
    > nancy
    >

    Nance, thanks for the trip down memory lane.......my father used to go
    catfishing in the PeeDee and bring home some whoppers. He would nail them
    to a tree, skin them and cover them with buttermilk. When asked why, he
    would mumble about having to 'soak the **** outta 'em'......After eating
    farm raised versus fresh caught bottom feeding catfish, I now know what he
    meant. Soaking them takes the 'bottom' out of the taste. They don't taste
    like **** eaters anymore.
    -ginny



  5. #5
    Nancy Young Guest

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    "Virginia Tadrzynski" <[email protected]> wrote

    > "Nancy Young" <[email protected]> wrote


    >>I see people talk about muddy tasting catfish and tilapia.
    >> Today I got my Cook's Illustrated and they discussed this.
    >> Long story short, they recommend an acid soak first, and their
    >> acidic soak of choice is buttermilk. Soak for an hour before
    >> cooking ... rinse off the buttermilk, pat dry and proceed with
    >> the recipe.


    > Nance, thanks for the trip down memory lane.......my father used to go
    > catfishing in the PeeDee and bring home some whoppers. He would nail them
    > to a tree, skin them and cover them with buttermilk. When asked why, he
    > would mumble about having to 'soak the **** outta 'em'......After eating
    > farm raised versus fresh caught bottom feeding catfish, I now know what he
    > meant. Soaking them takes the 'bottom' out of the taste. They don't
    > taste like **** eaters anymore.


    Haha, that's funny. He had a way with words, I like that. I had
    tilapia once, and I guess it was muddy because I really didn't like
    it, I just didn't put a name to why it tasted like crap. Heh. I never
    noticed a problem with catfish, though. Seems like maybe I got
    lucky.

    nance



  6. #6
    Nancy2 Guest

    Default Re: Muddy fish

    On Apr 8, 10:37*am, "Nancy Young" <rjy...@comcast.net> wrote:
    > "Virginia Tadrzynski" <ta...@enter.net> wrote
    >
    > > "Nancy Young" <rjy...@comcast.net> wrote
    > >>I see people talk about muddy tasting catfish and tilapia.
    > >> Today I got my Cook's Illustrated and they discussed this.
    > >> Long story short, they recommend an acid soak first, and their
    > >> acidic soak of choice is buttermilk. *Soak for an hour before
    > >> cooking ... rinse off the buttermilk, pat dry and proceed with
    > >> the recipe.

    > > Nance, thanks for the trip down memory lane.......my father used to go
    > > catfishing in the PeeDee and bring home some whoppers. *He would nail them
    > > to a tree, skin them and cover them with buttermilk. *When asked why, he
    > > would mumble about having to 'soak the **** outta 'em'......After eating
    > > farm raised versus fresh caught bottom feeding catfish, I now know what he
    > > meant. *Soaking them takes the 'bottom' out of the taste. *They don't
    > > taste like **** eaters anymore.

    >
    > Haha, that's funny. *He had a way with words, I like that. *I had
    > tilapia once, and I guess it was muddy because I really didn't like
    > it, I just didn't put a name to why it tasted like crap. *Heh. *I never
    > noticed a problem with catfish, though. *Seems like maybe I got
    > lucky.
    >
    > nance


    I don't usually buy farm-raised fish because of various problems with
    them. The catfish my son brings home get a soak in salt water for a
    few hours at the minimum. This tends (for me, anyway) to take away
    the "muddy" taste. I rinse them really well, bread and fry as usual.

    N.

  7. #7
    Myrl Jeffcoat Guest

    Default Re: Muddy fish

    On Apr 8, 8:07*am, "Nancy Young" <rjy...@comcast.net> wrote:
    > I see people talk about muddy tasting catfish and tilapia.
    > Today I got my Cook's Illustrated and they discussed this.
    > Long story short, they recommend an acid soak first, and their
    > acidic soak of choice is buttermilk. *Soak for an hour before
    > cooking ... rinse off the buttermilk, pat dry and proceed with
    > the recipe.
    >
    > FWIW.
    >
    > nancy



    I have noticed the "muddy" taste occassionally with tilapia. In the
    past much of the tilapia was coming from Ecuador, but more recently,
    it's been coming from China, and that' when I noticed the muddy flavor
    more.

    There was a report awhile back about tilapia from China, not being all
    that safe. I've curtailed buying most anything I can, which emanates
    from that country, until they get their quality control act together.

    Myrl Jeffcoat

  8. #8
    James Silverton Guest

    Default Re: Muddy fish

    Marl wrote on Tue, 8 Apr 2008 09:25:09 -0700 (PDT):

    MJ> There was a report awhile back about tilapia from China,
    MJ> not being all that safe. I've curtailed buying most
    MJ> anything I can, which emanates from that country, until
    MJ> they get their quality control act together.

    I suppose traditionally raised tilapia might well have a muddy
    taste since they were grown in the shallow muddy waters of rice
    paddies before the fields were drained to ripen and harvest the
    rice. It's really a very efficient use of space.

    Let's be honest, I don't like the texture of tilapia even ones
    I've selected from those swimming in a tank.

    James Silverton
    Potomac, Maryland

    E-mail, with obvious alterations:
    not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not


  9. #9
    aem Guest

    Default Re: Muddy fish

    On Apr 8, 8:07*am, "Nancy Young" <rjy...@comcast.net> wrote:
    > I see people talk about muddy tasting catfish and tilapia.
    > Today I got my Cook's Illustrated and they discussed this.
    > Long story short, they recommend an acid soak first, and their
    > acidic soak of choice is buttermilk. *Soak for an hour before
    > cooking ... rinse off the buttermilk, pat dry and proceed with
    > the recipe.
    >

    Thanks for the note. I don't read CI as religiously as I used to and
    would probably have missed this. I gave up on tilapia after two tries
    -- neither taste nor texture were good, imho. Though I don't doubt
    the buttermilk soak makes an improvement I'll probably stick to other
    fish I know I like. -aem

  10. #10
    Nancy Young Guest

    Default Re: Muddy fish


    "aem" <[email protected]> wrote

    >On Apr 8, 8:07 am, "Nancy Young" <rjy...@comcast.net> wrote:


    >> I see people talk about muddy tasting catfish and tilapia.
    >> Today I got my Cook's Illustrated and they discussed this.
    >> Long story short, they recommend an acid soak first, and their
    >> acidic soak of choice is buttermilk. Soak for an hour before
    >> cooking ... rinse off the buttermilk, pat dry and proceed with
    >> the recipe.

    >
    >Thanks for the note. I don't read CI as religiously as I used to and
    >would probably have missed this. I gave up on tilapia after two tries
    >-- neither taste nor texture were good, imho. Though I don't doubt
    >the buttermilk soak makes an improvement I'll probably stick to other
    >fish I know I like.


    I'm with you. The one time I tried tilapia, there was a texture thing
    that I didn't like. Of course, I'm not much for eating fish, I like
    flounder and cod, with the occasional wild salmon.

    And there isn't enough buttermilk to make me eat bluefish again.

    nancy



  11. #11
    notbob Guest

    Default Re: Muddy fish

    On 2008-04-08, Nancy Young <[email protected]> wrote:

    > cooking ... rinse off the buttermilk, pat dry and proceed with
    > the recipe.


    Argghh!...... leave the b-milk on and bread it. Why waste good b-milk?

    nb

  12. #12
    Michael Kuettner Guest

    Default Re: Muddy fish


    "notbob" schrieb :
    > On 2008-04-08, Nancy Young <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >> cooking ... rinse off the buttermilk, pat dry and proceed with
    >> the recipe.

    >
    > Argghh!...... leave the b-milk on and bread it. Why waste good b-milk?
    >

    Because the muddy taste is now in the b-milk.
    BTW : The same method is used for game (eg. wild boar).

    Cheers,

    Michael Kuettner



  13. #13
    Sky Guest

    Default Re: Muddy fish

    Myrl Jeffcoat wrote:
    >
    > On Apr 8, 8:07 am, "Nancy Young" <rjy...@comcast.net> wrote:
    > > I see people talk about muddy tasting catfish and tilapia.
    > > Today I got my Cook's Illustrated and they discussed this.
    > > Long story short, they recommend an acid soak first, and their
    > > acidic soak of choice is buttermilk. Soak for an hour before
    > > cooking ... rinse off the buttermilk, pat dry and proceed with
    > > the recipe.
    > >
    > > FWIW.
    > >
    > > nancy

    >
    > I have noticed the "muddy" taste occassionally with tilapia. In the
    > past much of the tilapia was coming from Ecuador, but more recently,
    > it's been coming from China, and that' when I noticed the muddy flavor
    > more.
    >
    > There was a report awhile back about tilapia from China, not being all
    > that safe. I've curtailed buying most anything I can, which emanates
    > from that country, until they get their quality control act together.
    >
    > Myrl Jeffcoat


    I'm with you there! I'm very wary of any edible product from China.
    Heck, the product doesn't even have to be edible. If possible, I'd
    rather buy 'local' to support businesses here instead of across any
    large 'pond.'

    Yesterday while at the grocery store, I looked in the freezer case for
    fish. Every single selection/brand was marked "product of China"! I
    didn't buy any, not that there was a large variety to choose. I think
    I'll stick with (local) shrimp.

    Sky, who rarely eats fish anywhoo

    --
    Ultra Ultimate Kitchen Rule - Use the Timer!
    Ultimate Kitchen Rule -- Cook's Choice

  14. #14
    Janet Bostwick Guest

    Default Re: Muddy fish

    Nancy Young wrote:
    > "aem" <[email protected]> wrote
    >

    snip

    > I'm with you. The one time I tried tilapia, there was a texture thing
    > that I didn't like. Of course, I'm not much for eating fish, I like
    > flounder and cod, with the occasional wild salmon.
    >
    > And there isn't enough buttermilk to make me eat bluefish again.
    >
    > nancy


    O.k., now I understand. . .you like flounder, cod and salmon. I couldn't
    figure out why you wouldn't like tilapia. I don't like flounder, cod and
    salmon. It's a texture thingy. I do believe, though, that almost any kind
    of fish can have that muddy taste. I think you have to know and choose your
    sources first of all and then after that I think it is a crap shoot.
    Janet



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    cybercat Guest

    Default Re: Muddy fish


    "Janet Bostwick" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]..
    > Nancy Young wrote:
    >> "aem" <[email protected]> wrote
    >>

    > snip
    >
    >> I'm with you. The one time I tried tilapia, there was a texture thing
    >> that I didn't like. Of course, I'm not much for eating fish, I like
    >> flounder and cod, with the occasional wild salmon.
    >>
    >> And there isn't enough buttermilk to make me eat bluefish again.
    >>
    >> nancy

    >
    > O.k., now I understand. . .you like flounder, cod and salmon. I couldn't
    > figure out why you wouldn't like tilapia. I don't like flounder, cod and
    > salmon. It's a texture thingy. I do believe, though, that almost any
    > kind of fish can have that muddy taste. I think you have to know and
    > choose your sources first of all and then after that I think it is a crap
    > shoot.
    > Janet


    I have never tasted this alleged "muddy" taste, and I make catfish
    regularly. Mine is always fresh and clean tasting. I do leave off those
    gross little fatty strips that have that super fishy taste. I rinse, cut the
    filets into plump chunks along the natural divisions, coat them with
    Louisiana Fish Fry and deep fry or pan fry. They are perfect every time.



    ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **

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    cybercat Guest

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    "notbob" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:aINKj.4971$[email protected]..
    > On 2008-04-08, Nancy Young <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >> cooking ... rinse off the buttermilk, pat dry and proceed with
    >> the recipe.

    >
    > Argghh!...... leave the b-milk on and bread it. Why waste good b-milk?
    >

    I think I would just have to buy a type of fish I actually like the flavor
    of.


    ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com **

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    Zeppo Guest

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    "James Silverton" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:j5NKj.8122$qB1.7389@trnddc07...
    > Marl wrote on Tue, 8 Apr 2008 09:25:09 -0700 (PDT):
    >
    > MJ> There was a report awhile back about tilapia from China,
    > MJ> not being all that safe. I've curtailed buying most
    > MJ> anything I can, which emanates from that country, until
    > MJ> they get their quality control act together.
    >
    > I suppose traditionally raised tilapia might well have a muddy taste since
    > they were grown in the shallow muddy waters of rice paddies before the
    > fields were drained to ripen and harvest the rice. It's really a very
    > efficient use of space.
    >
    > Let's be honest, I don't like the texture of tilapia even ones I've
    > selected from those swimming in a tank.
    >

    Interesting. I like tilapia but have a problem with the texture of catfish.
    It has the same sinewy texture as mako shark.

    However, I've been off tilapia since an episode of 'dirty jobs' showed a
    fish farmer using tilapia to clean the tanks of farm raised striped bass.
    And yes, they sell the tilapia when they get big enough.

    Jon



  18. #18
    Gregory Morrow Guest

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    James Silverton wrote:

    > *Marl *wrote *on Tue, 8 Apr 2008 09:25:09 -0700 (PDT):
    >
    > *MJ> There was a report awhile back about tilapia from China,
    > *MJ> not being all that safe. *I've curtailed buying most
    > *MJ> anything I can, which emanates from that country, until
    > *MJ> they get their quality control act together.
    >
    > I suppose traditionally raised tilapia might well have a muddy
    > taste since they were grown in the shallow muddy waters of rice
    > paddies before the fields were drained to ripen and harvest the
    > rice. It's really a very efficient use of space.
    >
    > Let's be honest, I don't like the texture of tilapia even ones
    > I've selected from those swimming in a tank.



    IIRC they were even the "featured fish" in the enclosed ecosystem of
    the movie _Biodome_, which is a dumb parody of the Biosphere project
    fiasco of a few years ago...


    --
    Best
    Greg

  19. #19
    Gregory Morrow Guest

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    cybercat fishes:


    > "Janet Bostwick" <nos...@cableone.net> wrote in message
    >
    > news:efCdnXWW[email protected]..
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > > Nancy Young wrote:
    > >> "aem" <aem_ag...@yahoo.com> wrote

    >
    > > snip

    >
    > >> I'm with you. *The one time I tried tilapia, there was a texture thing
    > >> that I didn't like. *Of course, I'm not much for eating fish, I like
    > >> flounder and cod, with the occasional wild salmon.

    >
    > >> And there isn't enough buttermilk to make me eat bluefish again.

    >
    > >> nancy

    >
    > > O.k., now I understand. . .you like flounder, cod and salmon. *I couldn't
    > > figure out why you wouldn't like tilapia. *I don't like flounder, cod and
    > > salmon. *It's a texture thingy. *I do believe, though, that almost any
    > > kind of fish can have that muddy taste. *I think you have to know and
    > > choose your sources first of all and then after that I think it is a crap
    > > shoot.
    > > Janet

    >
    > I have never tasted this alleged "muddy" taste, and I make catfish
    > regularly. Mine is always fresh and clean tasting.



    That's because you most probably have never had *wild - caught*
    catfish, cyberpussy...the catfish we buy in the stupormarket is all
    farm - raised these daze.

    If you ever had a really muddy catfish, you'd know it from the stench
    it emits whilst cooking...not too dissimilar from *your* body odor in
    fact.

    :-p


    --
    Best
    Greg




  20. #20
    merryb Guest

    Default Re: Muddy fish

    On Apr 8, 9:31*am, "James Silverton" <not.jim.silver...@verizon.not>
    wrote:
    > *Marl *wrote *on Tue, 8 Apr 2008 09:25:09 -0700 (PDT):
    >
    > *MJ> There was a report awhile back about tilapia from China,
    > *MJ> not being all that safe. *I've curtailed buying most
    > *MJ> anything I can, which emanates from that country, until
    > *MJ> they get their quality control act together.
    >
    > I suppose traditionally raised tilapia might well have a muddy
    > taste since they were grown in the shallow muddy waters of rice
    > paddies before the fields were drained to ripen and harvest the
    > rice. It's really a very efficient use of space.
    >
    > Let's be honest, I don't like the texture of tilapia even ones
    > I've selected from those swimming in a tank.
    >
    > James Silverton
    > Potomac, Maryland
    >
    > E-mail, with obvious alterations:
    > not.jim.silverton.at.verizon.not


    A number of years ago, I visited my Dad who was living in Little Rock.
    He took us out to a very popular restaurant that specialized in deep-
    fried everything, including dill pickles (yuk). The restaurant was
    situated in the middle of this extremely muddy pond with decks all
    around the outside. After a truly horrible dinner, we walked outside
    to see people feeding leftover hushpuppies to the catfish in the pond,
    where they must have gotten their fish from. I'll take halibut &
    salmon, please!

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