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  1. #1
    Sqwertz Guest

    Default More Product Fraud - Banyan Foods

    This time it's Banyan Foods out of Houston Texas
    mailto:[email protected]

    This was also posted to their Facebook page. I'm sure it will
    disappear from there soon at which time it will go up on Yelp as a
    business review, where they can't remove it so easily.

    Dear Sirs,

    Have you down-sized your egg roll and wonton wrappers and forgotten to
    change the labels?

    A couple months ago I bought your wonton wrappers and just thought I
    got a defective package as they were not cut square. Which means I
    have to cut off part of one side to be able to make proper,
    symmetrical wontons, potstickers, shui mai, etc...

    Yesterday I bought some of your larger egg roll wrappers and these are
    cut wrong as well. They measure 6.25" x 7". The label says they
    weigh 16 ounces but they only weigh 15 ounces *including* the
    packaging. And then to make them work for rolling proper egg rolls I
    will have to cut off 3/4" of the product, making the usable product
    weigh less than 14 ounces.

    I don't think it's a coincidence that both of your products have been
    shortened on one side. It's so obvious - who was the brainchild that
    made *that* decision?

    To verify, I went back to the store today and checked all the other
    packages of wonton wrappers and egg roll wrappers. They are all cut
    rectangular rather than square and all weighed less than the stated
    weight on the front of the package.

    This is just plain fraud that you have decided to downgrade your
    products by making them shorter on one side and labeling them the same
    weight. Not to mention the added inconvenience of consumers having to
    trim the products again to make them usable. These products will be
    of no value to anyone if you continue this practice.

    I have documented the erroneous labeled packages both here at home and
    at the store. But I doubt you need proof of any of this since you
    have the proof right there on your production line.

    Sincerely,

    Steve Wertz
    Pflugerville, TX

  2. #2
    Brooklyn1 Guest

    Default Re: More Product Fraud - Banyan Foods

    On Tue, 25 Sep 2012 15:51:27 -0500, Sqwertz <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    >This time it's Banyan Foods out of Houston Texas
    >mailto:[email protected]
    >
    >This was also posted to their Facebook page. I'm sure it will
    >disappear from there soon at which time it will go up on Yelp as a
    >business review, where they can't remove it so easily.
    >
    >Dear Sirs,
    >
    >Have you down-sized your egg roll and wonton wrappers and forgotten to
    >change the labels?
    >
    >A couple months ago I bought your wonton wrappers and just thought I
    >got a defective package as they were not cut square. Which means I
    >have to cut off part of one side to be able to make proper,
    >symmetrical wontons, potstickers, shui mai, etc...
    >
    >Yesterday I bought some of your larger egg roll wrappers and these are
    >cut wrong as well. They measure 6.25" x 7". The label says they
    >weigh 16 ounces but they only weigh 15 ounces *including* the
    >packaging. And then to make them work for rolling proper egg rolls I
    >will have to cut off 3/4" of the product, making the usable product
    >weigh less than 14 ounces.
    >
    >I don't think it's a coincidence that both of your products have been
    >shortened on one side. It's so obvious - who was the brainchild that
    >made *that* decision?
    >
    >To verify, I went back to the store today and checked all the other
    >packages of wonton wrappers and egg roll wrappers. They are all cut
    >rectangular rather than square and all weighed less than the stated
    >weight on the front of the package.
    >
    >This is just plain fraud that you have decided to downgrade your
    >products by making them shorter on one side and labeling them the same
    >weight. Not to mention the added inconvenience of consumers having to
    >trim the products again to make them usable. These products will be
    >of no value to anyone if you continue this practice.
    >
    >I have documented the erroneous labeled packages both here at home and
    >at the store. But I doubt you need proof of any of this since you
    >have the proof right there on your production line.
    >
    >Sincerely,
    >
    >Steve Wertz
    >Pflugerville, TX


    Do you really think a Chinese company will take anyone from a
    fercocktah town named "Pflugerville" seriously... and you're not even
    embarrassed to admit you're from Pflugerville! <G>

    Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. . . .

    There is a fishing reel company named Flueger.
    http://www.pfluegerfishing.com/home.html

  3. #3
    Malcom \Mal\ Reynolds Guest

    Default Re: More Product Fraud - Banyan Foods

    In article <[email protected]>, Sqwertz <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    > This time it's Banyan Foods out of Houston Texas
    > mailto:[email protected]
    >
    > This was also posted to their Facebook page. I'm sure it will
    > disappear from there soon at which time it will go up on Yelp as a
    > business review, where they can't remove it so easily.


    just why does it take a square wrapper to make an egg roll?

    if you've found packages that are mis-labeled, shouldn't you send the info to
    your state consumer agency or the FTC (after you've warned the company)?

  4. #4
    Chemo Guest

    Default Re: More Product Fraud - Banyan Foods

    On Sep 25, 3:22*pm, "Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds" <atlas-
    bug...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    > In article <1uvr5ntn3aoug....@sqwertz.com>, Sqwertz <swe...@cluemail.compost>
    > wrote:
    >
    > > This time it's Banyan Foods out of Houston Texas
    > > mailto:ho...@banyanfoods.com

    >
    > > This was also posted to their Facebook page. *I'm sure it will
    > > disappear from there soon at which time it will go up on Yelp as a
    > > business review, where they can't remove it so easily.

    >
    > just why does it take a square wrapper to make an egg roll?
    >
    > if you've found packages that are mis-labeled, shouldn't you send the info to
    > your state consumer agency or the FTC (after you've warned the company)?


    now you're just askin for trouble!

  5. #5
    Sqwertz Guest

    Default Re: More Product Fraud - Banyan Foods

    On Tue, 25 Sep 2012 15:22:57 -0700, Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote:

    > In article <[email protected]>, Sqwertz <[email protected]>
    > wrote:
    >
    >> This time it's Banyan Foods out of Houston Texas
    >> mailto:[email protected]
    >>
    >> This was also posted to their Facebook page. I'm sure it will
    >> disappear from there soon at which time it will go up on Yelp as a
    >> business review, where they can't remove it so easily.

    >
    > just why does it take a square wrapper to make an egg roll?
    >
    > if you've found packages that are mis-labeled, shouldn't you send the info to
    > your state consumer agency or the FTC (after you've warned the company)?


    <boggle> Why are you talking to me?

    -sw

  6. #6
    Malcom \Mal\ Reynolds Guest

    Default Re: More Product Fraud - Banyan Foods

    In article <[email protected]>, Sqwertz <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    > On Tue, 25 Sep 2012 15:22:57 -0700, Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote:
    >
    > > In article <[email protected]>, Sqwertz
    > > <[email protected]> wrote:
    > >
    > >> This time it's Banyan Foods out of Houston Texas
    > >> mailto:[email protected]
    > >>
    > >> This was also posted to their Facebook page. I'm sure it will disappear
    > >> from there soon at which time it will go up on Yelp as a business review,
    > >> where they can't remove it so easily.

    > >
    > > just why does it take a square wrapper to make an egg roll?
    > >
    > > if you've found packages that are mis-labeled, shouldn't you send the info
    > > to your state consumer agency or the FTC (after you've warned the company)?

    >
    > <boggle> Why are you talking to me?
    >
    > -sw


    Inability to answer questions noted

  7. #7
    Mark Thorson Guest

    Default Re: More Product Fraud - Banyan Foods

    Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds wrote:
    >
    > Inability to answer questions noted


    I'll spill the beans. A wonton is made
    by folding the wonton wrapper over the
    filling so that one corner of the wrapper
    meets its diagonally opposite corner.
    With a square wrapper, the edges line up
    perfectly. With a rectangular wrapper,
    they don't.

  8. #8
    Brooklyn1 Guest

    Default Re: More Product Fraud - Banyan Foods

    Mark Thorson <[email protected]> wrote:

    >Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds wrote:
    >>
    >> Inability to answer questions noted

    >
    >I'll spill the beans. A wonton is made
    >by folding the wonton wrapper over the
    >filling so that one corner of the wrapper
    >meets its diagonally opposite corner.
    >With a square wrapper, the edges line up
    >perfectly. With a rectangular wrapper,
    >they don't.


    Someone with an IQ would use two wrappers and make ravioli style
    wontons... the only thing that makes it a wonton anyway is the
    oriental seasoned filling. Learn to compromise and make kreplach. <G>



  9. #9
    pavane Guest

    Default Re: More Product Fraud - Banyan Foods


    "Brooklyn1" <Gravesend1> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]..
    > Mark Thorson <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >>Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds wrote:
    >>>
    >>> Inability to answer questions noted

    >>
    >>I'll spill the beans. A wonton is made
    >>by folding the wonton wrapper over the
    >>filling so that one corner of the wrapper
    >>meets its diagonally opposite corner.
    >>With a square wrapper, the edges line up
    >>perfectly. With a rectangular wrapper,
    >>they don't.

    >
    > Someone with an IQ would use two wrappers and make ravioli style
    > wontons... the only thing that makes it a wonton anyway is the
    > oriental seasoned filling. Learn to compromise and make kreplach. <G>


    Dumbass response of the month, at least. If a company cheats you,
    just pretend you are making something different with it, and go on
    whistling "If I only had a brain..."

    pavane



  10. #10
    Malcom \Mal\ Reynolds Guest

    Default Re: More Product Fraud - Banyan Foods

    In article <Dzt8s.588810$%[email protected]>,
    "pavane" <[email protected]> wrote:

    > "Brooklyn1" <Gravesend1> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]..
    > > Mark Thorson <[email protected]> wrote:
    > >
    > >>Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds wrote:
    > >>>
    > >>> Inability to answer questions noted
    > >>
    > >>I'll spill the beans. A wonton is made
    > >>by folding the wonton wrapper over the
    > >>filling so that one corner of the wrapper
    > >>meets its diagonally opposite corner.
    > >>With a square wrapper, the edges line up
    > >>perfectly. With a rectangular wrapper,
    > >>they don't.

    > >
    > > Someone with an IQ would use two wrappers and make ravioli style
    > > wontons... the only thing that makes it a wonton anyway is the
    > > oriental seasoned filling. Learn to compromise and make kreplach. <G>

    >
    > Dumbass response of the month, at least. If a company cheats you,
    > just pretend you are making something different with it, and go on
    > whistling "If I only had a brain..."
    >
    > pavane


    so your response is next months dumbass response? if you are buying a product
    that is mis-labeled and aren't reporting it to the store stocking it or the
    proper authorities, you are aiding and abetting the fraud. but for you, it's
    much easier to julie bove about it than to actually report the fraud...which is
    all the stranger since even a recent law school graduate would be able to
    strong-arm the company into paying you off

  11. #11
    Malcom \Mal\ Reynolds Guest

    Default Re: More Product Fraud - Banyan Foods

    In article <[email protected]>, Mark Thorson <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    > Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds wrote:
    > >
    > > Inability to answer questions noted

    >
    > I'll spill the beans. A wonton is made
    > by folding the wonton wrapper over the
    > filling so that one corner of the wrapper
    > meets its diagonally opposite corner.
    > With a square wrapper, the edges line up
    > perfectly. With a rectangular wrapper,
    > they don't.


    and what part of the universe collapses if a home-made wonton is made in such a
    way that the edges don't line up perfectly?

  12. #12
    Sqwertz Guest

    Default Re: More Product Fraud - Banyan Foods

    On Tue, 25 Sep 2012 22:19:16 -0400, pavane wrote:

    > "Brooklyn1" <Gravesend1> wrote in message
    > news:[email protected]..
    >> Mark Thorson <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>
    >>>Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds wrote:
    >>>>
    >>>> Inability to answer questions noted
    >>>
    >>>I'll spill the beans. A wonton is made
    >>>by folding the wonton wrapper over the
    >>>filling so that one corner of the wrapper
    >>>meets its diagonally opposite corner.
    >>>With a square wrapper, the edges line up
    >>>perfectly. With a rectangular wrapper,
    >>>they don't.

    >>
    >> Someone with an IQ would use two wrappers and make ravioli style
    >> wontons... the only thing that makes it a wonton anyway is the
    >> oriental seasoned filling. Learn to compromise and make kreplach. <G>

    >
    > Dumbass response of the month, at least. If a company cheats you,
    > just pretend you are making something different with it, and go on
    > whistling "If I only had a brain..."


    I most recently used them to make pot stickers last week. And you
    can't use two wrappers to make anywhere near proper pot stickers.

    Here they are with a few upturned so you can see the crunch:

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/sqwertz...ream/lightbox/

    And the factory floor, which will visually explain why you need square
    wrappers:

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/sqwertz...ream/lightbox/

    -sw

  13. #13
    Sqwertz Guest

    Default Re: More Product Fraud - Banyan Foods

    On Tue, 25 Sep 2012 21:21:36 -0700, Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote:

    > so your response is next months dumbass response? if you are buying a product
    > that is mis-labeled and aren't reporting it to the store stocking it or the
    > proper authorities, you are aiding and abetting the fraud. but for you, it's
    > much easier to julie bove about it than to actually report the fraud...which is
    > all the stranger since even a recent law school graduate would be able to
    > strong-arm the company into paying you off


    Oh, so now I'm an accomplice to the crime? That's just too precious,
    Sir Alfie, Esquire. That reminds me of the first time you claimed
    everything we post on Usenet is legally public domain. Remember that?

    What a *reasonable* person would do in this situation is to contact
    the company first and see what they have to say about it. Don't you
    think that would be a more prudent course of action?

    Think about it and get back to us.

    -sw

  14. #14
    pavane Guest

    Default Re: More Product Fraud - Banyan Foods


    "Malcom "Mal" Reynolds" <[email protected]> wrote in message
    news:[email protected]..
    > In article <Dzt8s.588810$%[email protected]>,
    > "pavane" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >...............................
    >> Dumbass response of the month, at least. If a company cheats you,
    >> just pretend you are making something different with it, and go on
    >> whistling "If I only had a brain..."
    >>
    >> pavane

    >
    > so your response is next months dumbass response? if you are buying a
    > product
    > that is mis-labeled and aren't reporting it to the store stocking it or
    > the
    > proper authorities, you are aiding and abetting the fraud. but for you,
    > it's
    > much easier to julie bove about it than to actually report the
    > fraud...which is
    > all the stranger since even a recent law school graduate would be able to
    > strong-arm the company into paying you off


    I didn't realize you are so stupid.

    1. I said nothing about not reporting. Quite the opposite.
    2. Julie would easily have been able to figure out what I said.
    3. My response used "sarcasm." Since you can't understand
    that, here is a dictionary definition of "sarcasm:"
    Sarcasm: /'s?rkęz?m/ 1. harsh or bitter derision or irony.
    4. Now go look up "derision" and "irony" like a good boy,
    then you might come back to play with the smart people.

    pavane




  15. #15
    Nunya Bidnits Guest

    Default Re: More Product Fraud - Banyan Foods

    Brooklyn1 <Gravesend1> wrote:
    > Mark Thorson <nospam@son[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >> Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds wrote:
    >>>
    >>> Inability to answer questions noted

    >>
    >> I'll spill the beans. A wonton is made
    >> by folding the wonton wrapper over the
    >> filling so that one corner of the wrapper
    >> meets its diagonally opposite corner.
    >> With a square wrapper, the edges line up
    >> perfectly. With a rectangular wrapper,
    >> they don't.

    >
    > Someone with an IQ would use two wrappers and make ravioli style
    > wontons...


    That wouldn't be wontons, it would be ravioli.

    > the only thing that makes it a wonton anyway is the
    > oriental seasoned filling.


    No, it is also the method of preparing the wrapper.




  16. #16
    Nunya Bidnits Guest

    Default Re: More Product Fraud - Banyan Foods

    Sqwertz <[email protected]> wrote:
    > On Tue, 25 Sep 2012 22:19:16 -0400, pavane wrote:
    >
    >> "Brooklyn1" <Gravesend1> wrote in message
    >> news:[email protected]..
    >>> Mark Thorson <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>>
    >>>> Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds wrote:
    >>>>>
    >>>>> Inability to answer questions noted
    >>>>
    >>>> I'll spill the beans. A wonton is made
    >>>> by folding the wonton wrapper over the
    >>>> filling so that one corner of the wrapper
    >>>> meets its diagonally opposite corner.
    >>>> With a square wrapper, the edges line up
    >>>> perfectly. With a rectangular wrapper,
    >>>> they don't.
    >>>
    >>> Someone with an IQ would use two wrappers and make ravioli style
    >>> wontons... the only thing that makes it a wonton anyway is the
    >>> oriental seasoned filling. Learn to compromise and make kreplach.
    >>> <G>

    >>
    >> Dumbass response of the month, at least. If a company cheats you,
    >> just pretend you are making something different with it, and go on
    >> whistling "If I only had a brain..."

    >
    > I most recently used them to make pot stickers last week. And you
    > can't use two wrappers to make anywhere near proper pot stickers.
    >
    > Here they are with a few upturned so you can see the crunch:
    >
    > http://www.flickr.com/photos/sqwertz...ream/lightbox/
    >
    > And the factory floor, which will visually explain why you need square
    > wrappers:
    >
    > http://www.flickr.com/photos/sqwertz...ream/lightbox/
    >
    > -sw


    Have you ever tried deep frying those dumplings? I wonder if they stay
    together or burst open.



  17. #17
    Nunya Bidnits Guest

    Default Re: More Product Fraud - Banyan Foods

    pavane <[email protected]> wrote:
    > "Malfie" <[email protected]> wrote [deleted crap]


    > 4. Now go look up "derision" and "irony" like a good boy,
    > then you might come back to play with the smart people.
    >


    Yeah, sure he will... when pigs fly.



  18. #18
    Sqwertz Guest

    Default Re: More Product Fraud - Banyan Foods

    On Wed, 26 Sep 2012 09:25:33 -0500, Nunya Bidnits wrote:

    > Sqwertz <[email protected]> wrote:
    >
    >> I most recently used them to make pot stickers last week. And you
    >> can't use two wrappers to make anywhere near proper pot stickers.
    >>
    >> Here they are with a few upturned so you can see the crunch:
    >>
    >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/sqwertz...ream/lightbox/
    >>
    >> And the factory floor, which will visually explain why you need square
    >> wrappers:
    >>
    >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/sqwertz...ream/lightbox/

    >
    > Have you ever tried deep frying those dumplings? I wonder if they stay
    > together or burst open.


    The moisture in the veggies usually creates enough steam so that they
    would leak, especially the way I overstuff them. I've had pretty good
    luck deep frying pre-made frozen potstickers, where they are crimped
    much better and use a thicker dough. Also served at Korean
    restaurants that way.

    -sw

  19. #19
    Nunya Bidnits Guest

    Default Re: More Product Fraud - Banyan Foods

    Sqwertz <[email protected]> wrote:
    > On Wed, 26 Sep 2012 09:25:33 -0500, Nunya Bidnits wrote:
    >
    >> Sqwertz <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>
    >>> I most recently used them to make pot stickers last week. And you
    >>> can't use two wrappers to make anywhere near proper pot stickers.
    >>>
    >>> Here they are with a few upturned so you can see the crunch:
    >>>
    >>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/sqwertz...ream/lightbox/
    >>>
    >>> And the factory floor, which will visually explain why you need
    >>> square wrappers:
    >>>
    >>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/sqwertz...ream/lightbox/

    >>
    >> Have you ever tried deep frying those dumplings? I wonder if they
    >> stay together or burst open.

    >
    > The moisture in the veggies usually creates enough steam so that they
    > would leak, especially the way I overstuff them. I've had pretty good
    > luck deep frying pre-made frozen potstickers, where they are crimped
    > much better and use a thicker dough. Also served at Korean
    > restaurants that way.


    I'm thinking grilled veggies in a deep fried wonton for the American Royal
    Barbecue, vegetable side dish contest (weekend after next). I've been doing
    grilled veggie empanadas but it's been problematic. The filling used grilled
    sweet and hot peppers, grilled street corn off the cob, onions, tomatoes,
    roasted garlic, cream cheese, and chihuaha or oaxacan melting cheese,
    garnished with kosher salt and cotija cheese crumbles. Not sure the wonton
    wrappers would hold up though.

    MartyB



  20. #20
    Malcom \Mal\ Reynolds Guest

    Default Re: More Product Fraud - Banyan Foods

    In article <[email protected]>, Sqwertz <[email protected]>
    wrote:

    > On Tue, 25 Sep 2012 21:21:36 -0700, Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote:
    >
    > > so your response is next months dumbass response? if you are buying a
    > > product
    > > that is mis-labeled and aren't reporting it to the store stocking it or the
    > > proper authorities, you are aiding and abetting the fraud. but for you,
    > > it's
    > > much easier to julie bove about it than to actually report the
    > > fraud...which is
    > > all the stranger since even a recent law school graduate would be able to
    > > strong-arm the company into paying you off

    >
    > Oh, so now I'm an accomplice to the crime? That's just too precious,
    > Sir Alfie, Esquire. That reminds me of the first time you claimed
    > everything we post on Usenet is legally public domain. Remember that?


    actually no.


    >
    > What a *reasonable* person would do in this situation is to contact
    > the company first and see what they have to say about it. Don't you
    > think that would be a more prudent course of action?


    Actually, I'd think contacting the store that is selling the product and
    suggesting they contact the supplier might have a more effective response.

    You can't possibly believe that the company making the response is capable of
    providing an excuse for short weight and sized mis-labeled product, do you?


    >
    > Think about it and get back to us.
    >
    > -sw


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